I'm actually a PhD student and my dissertation and research focus is running power! I'd love to talk to you a little more to hear about your ideas about the practicality and actual future of running power! Your video was actually pretty accurate and well done!
i have had my stryd pod for about 6 months now, and am very happy with it. recently did a half marathon and was expertly paced to a personal best with absolutely nothing left in the tank at the finish line.
One thing that is missing in this video is that Garmin has implemented running power in their fenix and forerunner watches as well (so no footpod is needed, only a garmin HRM which most people will use anyways). Would have been interesting to compare the results between Stryd and Garmin.
There is also on wrist running power on Garmin for which you don't need HRM. I don't know yet how accurate it is, but it is great for me as I have Suunto HRM. I think that Polar also has on wrist running power.
I have the Garmin pod and 955. So the watch does power but doesn't do vertical oscillating, contact time and a few others like balance. The pod does. I'd like to see them side by side. But I'd more like to see a running program. Like to create a course in Garmin. And pace by power. It works for bikes. Not the watch. So I'd like to see how stryde works on Garmin vs Garmin pod on Garmin
The Garmin chest strap I have also includes a sensor like this. It's really cool data to look over and adds a lot of detail compared to the watch alone without the strap! Would love to see how this thing helps you improve your form over time! I have reduced my average oscillation about 1cm this month, GCT is balanced, cadence and stride length are slowly creeping up. I believe, and I could be wrong, that tiny little improvements like this will add up for you over the next few months of use!
@Circumambulation Mædia Garmin says it is. So why do you disagree? The HRM pro and several other devices have the same sensors in them as their pods. It calculates the same data. 🤷🏽♂️
I haven't used running power, but what excites me more about these footpods is the promise of accurate pace. Even in decent conditions GPS watches can be off by like 20s per km and they take a good while to detect changes in pace.
Had a Stryd pod for about 6 years now. It definitely helps with proper structured training and pacing over longer distances. Also, it’s really good for giving accurate pace and distance in spotty GPS areas
Been using Stryd for few years now. I feel like it is very accurate device on right conditions. Examble i use it mostly for treadmill running on Zwift. If i do steady 1h run without changing the actual speed on the treadmill it can actually see the difference vs cold "engine" of a treadmill vs warmed up. And the automatic ability to measure you're running zones can be helpful.
Running power makes it easier to gauge the intensity. If you run by numbers a lot it just makes the training easier, you just focus on power zone and not worry about heat or slope affecting other metrics. Love the idea and use it in my training.
I've bought a Garmin Running Dynamics pod which is very similar to the Stryd but is worn on the waistband. What it does add is the balance between the feet which I currently find more helpful than running power, because it shows me that on some days my right foot seems to do significantly more work than my left. The most interesting metric I have so far is however that the faster I go, the "better" my stride gets, meaning, I have much higher vertical movement when I'm slow vs. when I run more quickly.
You are right handed? You should focus that your strides are equal length on both legs. I have same gadget. Sometimes could be your right leg has some problem I had hip bursitis and meter shows it. Wait I have Garmin HRM run waist. But same measures?
Stryd definitely improved my running so yes. It's a powerful tool. ps. Power output also changes with headwinds and the powermeter can tell that. Running with pace efforts against the wind always result with more effort. Power stays the same. It's easier to stay in the right zone. Great vid!
@@wesleytwiggs7687 it come with some good workout programmes where you run to a specific power for a period of time, did a 5k & 10k training program and gave me some structure as well as pushing me in places, did a 24:30 5k on a sprint triathlon and a 50 minute 10k which was bar far my best times for ages, am mid 50’s and have slowed up a bit in recent years! Use it now for running and will use it for triathlon training next year
I ran with it for the past 2 years. Not even close to using its full potential as I'm a beginner and did a lot of zone 2 but at the same time I could rely on their training plans and it gave me good estimates and confidence of what I'm capable of on race day.
I’ve owned it since the first one came out, I owned the air version when it came out. I noticed a correlation between my power zones on the Stryd and my Joe Friel lactate threshold zones. It’s good for training, sucks for racing. Until running power becomes consistent like cycling power it’s just another tool in the box but not the tool to do away with all other tools. I will say this, it’s better than heart rate training any day of the week.
Great breakdown, I've never looked at power myself as a metric for measuring running but I can increasingly see it popping up on people's Strava. It'll be interesting to see if it takes off.
As a novice runner I used a Stryd for training for a marathon in 2021. All my training was power based using a Stryd plan. It gave me a structure and a means of accurately being able to target a power for the marathon effort. I was able to hit the target power and was close to the predicted time. A great tool if training for something specific, but less useful for a casual runner
I use Stryd mostly for more consistent/accurate distance/pace since it doesn't rely on GPS which is terrible in my area. That said, I do find power useful sometimes, particularly when there is wind or a hill I can better judge how much to slow down to avoid gassing myself by the time I get to the top. If I keep my power flat, that helps avoid spiking my HR into burn-out-and-crash territory to early in a run. Will be interesting to see if wrist based power can beat foot pods, or if insoles can beat both.
Big fan of using power, especially for longer interval efforts and controlling easy runs. It's not as easy to stick to the numbers as it is on the bike though. Also, I'd love my bike watts numbers to equal my running power numbers 😁
I've been running with Stryd power for a couple years and find the power data useful in a similar way as power on the bike. I'm wondering, however, if Stryd is going to be outdone by wrist-based running power. It's unclear if Stryd has an edge over its competitors here.
Coros (not a sponsor) is moving away from power to 'effort pace' which is supposed to include temperature, elevation, etc. Great video, very informative and wonderful style.
I've used a running power+ all those other stats device that looks like that but it's clipped on the back of my shorts at the center of the lower back. I think it's a Coros device. Quite happy with the data it provides. It has really told me some things about my running that helps.
I used running power for a few runs with my Garmin heart rate strap (HRM Pro). However, I found that it was actually detrimental to my running, as constantly having to look at power data on my watch negatively impacted my running form Currently, I think power is way more useful for cycling compared to running
I have used Stryd for about 2 years. I now just use the power for hills or wind, but generally run to pace. I have the Stryd footpod as pace on my watch, with GPS for average lap pace (1km laps). Stryd is crap on the treadmill. It gets so lost - I run way harder on the treadmill than the road if I run to power.
I do you Garmin's running power, now native in the Forerunner 955 so I ca use structured trainings. With the HRM-pro strap I get the running dynamics that I use to see how I'm doing with my running technique/efficiency. I find the Running power useful, specially with structured training sessions to focus Aerobe-base, Muscle Endurance or Anaerobe. Specially since it can be very windy here in The Netherlands
The power thing seemed cool but honestly I have used my Stryd because its simply much more accurate than GPS often right out of the box (I had to make a small calibration however). So it excels the most where GPS is at it worst: trail runs, track runs, indoors and around tall buildings where GPS goes wild. However its just as good or better than GPS in standard situations as well. Also the stryd is much more responsive to speed changes than GPS is to see your current pacing. You'll notice if you do an interval workout on your Garmin that if you dont start running before the interval starts you will have a delay in the speed from when it catches up. This is minimized with the pod. Anyways I lost my pod and ordered the latest one. Interesting to see how it performs.
I use the guesstimate running power field on garmin. I think having a consistent set of data works as well as having precise data. Theoretically you could always get one of those portable VO2Max masks and run with that occasionally to "sync" up your power data with your threshold as a reference.
My power meter has been a great tool to focus my training successfully. Power also gives you numbers to help you compare to see where you are and where you can go, and help to focus your training for increased performance. All one need to do is read what cycling has done with power training.
I used power when I was wearing a Coros watch a couple of years ago. Those watches have an algorithm integrated that estimates running power without a pod or other additional gadget. Imho using running power is not worthwhile for most people as it is another metric that will prevent you from listening to your body instead of relying on data. Maybe elite runners will benefit from it, but the casual TRAIL runner is better off with going by perceived effort :) Anyways, informative vid!
Coming from a cycling background, I always tried to formulate in my head how power could be integrated into run training and I figured it would at least be attempted at some point in the near future. Pretty awesome that it's finally coming to market, even if it's finicky in its early development.
I've been running with Stryd for just over 5 years now, and bought the Stryd Wind in April this year, just few months short of the launch of the newest Stryd (grrr!). I've got it because I wanted accurate real-time pacing for interval work (gps is too slow to react). I've tried to calibrate it multiple times, I even bought a measuring wheel to measure several courses. I've found that the accuracy really depends on the shoes, the surface and the pace. On a 5K course, I've got +/- 20m accuracy between runs with the same shoes and similar pace, but when I was doing slower aerobic pace or faster running with carbon shoes, then I've got distance overestimated by 110m and even more. I've come to the conclusion that it can't be accurate regardless of other factors. I don't use auto calibration, because that just varies the calibration factor from time to time based on GPS, so it's always inaccurate on average. Now I just look at the power data when doing intervals (on flat or rolling terraing), maintaining intensity on hill training, and pacing during races or time trials based on estimated CP.
The problem is as you said the distance is changing depending on the shoes, I can tell you the power is changing aswell. It means with different shoes it can over or under estimate power like 3-5%. Doesnt sound much but trust me it can be critical at marathon pace or threshold runs.
Of the 3 hill graphs clearly HR is the most accurate measure to effort. Foot pod is pointless when you have vertical oss, ground contact , stride length & rate with normal GPS.
I always run with the Stryd. The new one reacts faster to changes than the previous version. If you always run on a track, then it is no better than pace as a metric. But otherwise, it is much more useful for measuring effort, since HR drifts and can be inconsistent depending on the circumstances and even breathing isn't reliable (in my judgment) for estimating effort. On trails where you have to walk because of the grade, the Stryd is not so useful as you can be struggling but the power might be low. I don't know yet if the new version has improved this (I haven't had it long enough to run in the mountains). The Critical Power you get isn't useful until you've collected enough data at different effort levels and durations. And then it is a remarkable predictor of finishing times for road marathons (possibly for shorter distances but I haven't tried those yet)
I have an Apple Watch 7 and with updated WatchOS 9, it has added new running metrics like ground contact time, vertical oscillation, cadence, stride length aaaannnnndd running power. However I dont use all those measurements and use solely pace, HR, and distance.
I like power meters. I had bad right hip bursitis and Garmin HRM- Run waist shows it when I was running. Outbalance was left 47%, right foot 53%. Now hip is ok and almost 50-50 leg balance(depends road gradients too). And with basic running you can find easier sweet spot like 5min/km and lowest heartbeat, right stride gait and other measures too in that speed. It won't tell you now you are on your sweet spot(most economic running). Afterwards only you can analyze. Would be nice to look my Garmin 645 and see it when running!?
Thoughts on Grade Adjusted Pace as a metric? I find quite helpful for hill runs. I mostly use HR and GAP for guaging intensity on the trails. Had a foot pod when they first came out (back in Suunto Ambit 2 days) and found it pretty unhelpful for anything other than road runs.
Great to see you running again! I'm currently out with an injury (IT band issue) but hope to be back in 2 weeks ish - I think Coros has an "Effort adjusted pace" which is a kind of hybrid between pace and power (in that it takes into account effort of hills/elevation etc) maybe that's the future? I think pods could be good for discovering running imbalances? E.g. left/right because I think this would be the only reason I get one, if my running keeps improving. Great vid =] Maybe switch the music for some liquid drum & bass? ;)
The running footage is actually from last summer, I'm still struggling with my knee injury :/ Hope to be back soon! The "effort adjusted pace" seems interesting, thanks for pointing it out!🤔
@@TheUnlazyWay Ahhhhhh noooo!!! Well my fingers are crossed for you!! I've only been out for 3 weeks so I can only imagine how frustrating it is. I had to cancel a marathon, but I'm gonna walk one instead, then start up running once my knee is 100% better. Yes I saw one video about it, but it could be an interesting topic as it's a pretty new feature. I think it would be good for the same reasons you highlighted power in this video (particularly keeping easy trail runs with elevation easy)
Funnily enough I have looked at stryd over the weekend and contemplated buying one but I could not really see the point. It is nice to have one more metric to play with but in the end, if you have a good training plan and know your body pace and heart rate is enough. But we´ll see what the future brings
Similar devices are embedded in some of the under armour running shoes. Non removable, no need to charge connects to phone and or watch. Results upload right to the app when done. Auto tracking also if you don't want any watches or phones on your run/training.
The only real value of it IMHP is that it provides a much better current pace which GPS watches due quite badly at and allows you to achieve the desired finish time But you can also just use the watches cadence feature which its quite good or a Garmin pace pro plan and achieve a good result
My heart-rate belt measure power when I run but I do not really use it as I mainly run in the City on flat roads. Hence, heart-rate and pace make more sense.
Most sports watches (Garmin, Coros, Apple Watch, etc) record wrist-based power now. Specific graphed comparisons of Stryd with many of these other watches are on Yoiutube channels like DesFit, Chasing The Summit, and The Run Testers. The findings: the wrist power meters are exceptional and on par with Stryd. The future of Stryd as a company is questionable. The future of power in running is undeniable,
I use power metrics on my Polar V2 watch to estimate fitness progress running hills. My assumption is that the better I get at running hills, the lower the power metric will be (over time) when I run hills. Is this a faulty assumption? Thanks, great video!
This reminds me of a video on youtube titled "Running 18 mph at different sizes". I wanted to figure out their power in watts. I'm pretty sure the big guy is using more watts despite the girl moving her feet quicker. There's a 5 foot tall girl moving her legs quickly at about 270 bpm, and there's a 6'5" guy moving his legs at about 210 bpm. He weighs about 100 kg, and she weighs about 50 kg. I just wonder how I'm supposed to figure out their power.
Haven't used it, it's not refined enough to provide outsize benefit for me. I tend to only incorporate the learnings when they are conclusive, and generally try not to overthink. I think the science of mostly easy, sometimes hard, hills for ageing athletes, benefits of doubles (even cross training) are are quite settled. However, I tend to consider heart rate monitoring as a bit of a pandoras box of problems (the body doesn't have zones and individual physiology varies so much) that I only run with a dedicated HR monitor strap now and again to track general progress with building aerobic base. I think for most athletes such granular data hinders rather than helps overall enjoyment of the sport, unless you're a pro where marginal gains matter, I think trying to min-max in running is a sure fire way to miss the true joy of just doing it. That's just me though, and I respect the numbers nerds all the same!
Actually even heartrate monitor is not needed for a good training, if you have already some experience in running. Going easy - you know it by feel. Go hard - you know it by feel. Only reason to look at the heartrate is the race when you are looking for a sweet sport so you can endure the whole distance optimally.
I've got one and to be honest, I don't find it that useful. Still find pace combined with heart rate more intuitive. Maybe for trail running it would be better?
Power measured doing anything slow and controlled will be inaccurate. The critical power supplies a metric that we can track and modify our progress in fitness. The accuracy with VO2 is AMAZING! I think you just talked me into getting one...
I've used a Stryd for a while now. I like getting more data after my runs, but to be honest I don't find it anywhere near as useful as power is on the bike. First, the inaccuracies are really obvious in certain circumstances: I did some trail running on a holiday this summer which included some ascents I simply couldn't run up, and even whilst walking I was putting in a lot of effort, but my power dropped right off. I'm guessing the different type of movement in walking compare to running meant the algorithm just didn't work properly. Second there just isn't the range of powers in running in my experience. On the bike my easy zone 2 power is around 200W, I can hold about 320W for 20 minutes, 400W for 5 minutes, 700W for one minute and 1000W for 10s. When running with Stryd I can't really run much lower than 250W (even that feels uncomfortable slow), but an all out sprint is only about 600-700W. This combined with the lower accuracy (particularly with short term power) means glancing at my watch to see how hard I'm going is basically useless. It could read 240W or 320W and not really tell me much, because there are a bunch of confounding factors going into it. That said, there are some nice things. First off it measures pace better than GPS, particularly in places where GPS can be spotty (wooded tracks in the hills for example). Secondly I do rate it as a measure for the overall effort of a run. It's instantaneous power might not be particularly reliable, but I think averaged over a complete run (assuming I don't have segments of walking up steep hills) I think it's close enough. Third, when it's icy outside, and I find myself running on a treadmill, I like that it can measure my speed and record it to my watch because I like capturing workouts. But the final thing I think is good about it is that hopefully it will eventually lead to better running power meters. Ever since getting a power meter on the bike I have been a convert, and I want to end up with the same tech for running. But in the mean time, whilst I use it every run, I mostly rely on perceived effort for pacing my runs.
I can't see why it would be a good metric of intensity, hr provides intensity factoring in hills and other variables into its reading and it's relative
While running I want to cut off as much electronics as I can. I feel exhausted not because of the training, but because of these all devices. I want to clear my mind after work. For sure it might be a good gadget for pros and aspiring amateurs, but I'm not in these groups. 🙃
I'm actually a PhD student and my dissertation and research focus is running power! I'd love to talk to you a little more to hear about your ideas about the practicality and actual future of running power! Your video was actually pretty accurate and well done!
WORK WITH THIS SCIENTIST!
Can you share your dissertation / paper? Would be interested to see what you covered
Jonne! You're fast becoming the best running creator on RUclips in my opinion. Love your videos man. Keep going!
Not so bad yourself James! But yes I agree, Jonne is awesome too!
Appreciate that, James😎✌🏻
@@TheUnlazyWay Hey mate, what's that gadget you're using which seems to measure the quality of your sleep? In one of your other videos
maybe using dedicated thumbnails for youtube videos does make a difference? ;)
i have had my stryd pod for about 6 months now, and am very happy with it. recently did a half marathon and was expertly paced to a personal best with absolutely nothing left in the tank at the finish line.
One thing that is missing in this video is that Garmin has implemented running power in their fenix and forerunner watches as well (so no footpod is needed, only a garmin HRM which most people will use anyways). Would have been interesting to compare the results between Stryd and Garmin.
There is also on wrist running power on Garmin for which you don't need HRM. I don't know yet how accurate it is, but it is great for me as I have Suunto HRM. I think that Polar also has on wrist running power.
@@BombasMirko Just got it on my Forerunner 955. Excited to test out the wrist based power. And the speed that it updates
My COROS watch also measures power (and can also be synched with a Stryd).
Polar have it in their Vantage line. Works ok, but tbh, not really useful in practical terms as I can’t reliably program based off of it.
I have the Garmin pod and 955.
So the watch does power but doesn't do vertical oscillating, contact time and a few others like balance. The pod does. I'd like to see them side by side. But I'd more like to see a running program. Like to create a course in Garmin. And pace by power. It works for bikes. Not the watch. So I'd like to see how stryde works on Garmin vs Garmin pod on Garmin
The Garmin chest strap I have also includes a sensor like this. It's really cool data to look over and adds a lot of detail compared to the watch alone without the strap! Would love to see how this thing helps you improve your form over time! I have reduced my average oscillation about 1cm this month, GCT is balanced, cadence and stride length are slowly creeping up. I believe, and I could be wrong, that tiny little improvements like this will add up for you over the next few months of use!
Garmin isnt a power meter. They’re different.
@Circumambulation Mædia Garmin says it is. So why do you disagree? The HRM pro and several other devices have the same sensors in them as their pods. It calculates the same data. 🤷🏽♂️
The editing on this video was super fun! Keep it up!
I haven't used running power, but what excites me more about these footpods is the promise of accurate pace. Even in decent conditions GPS watches can be off by like 20s per km and they take a good while to detect changes in pace.
Had a Stryd pod for about 6 years now. It definitely helps with proper structured training and pacing over longer distances. Also, it’s really good for giving accurate pace and distance in spotty GPS areas
Been using Stryd for few years now. I feel like it is very accurate device on right conditions. Examble i use it mostly for treadmill running on Zwift. If i do steady 1h run without changing the actual speed on the treadmill it can actually see the difference vs cold "engine" of a treadmill vs warmed up. And the automatic ability to measure you're running zones can be helpful.
Training with power is such a gamechanger, at least it was for me in cycling
Running power makes it easier to gauge the intensity. If you run by numbers a lot it just makes the training easier, you just focus on power zone and not worry about heat or slope affecting other metrics. Love the idea and use it in my training.
it´s amazing how much i can learn with your videos dude, keep up the good work! :)
Thanks, will do! :)
I've bought a Garmin Running Dynamics pod which is very similar to the Stryd but is worn on the waistband. What it does add is the balance between the feet which I currently find more helpful than running power, because it shows me that on some days my right foot seems to do significantly more work than my left. The most interesting metric I have so far is however that the faster I go, the "better" my stride gets, meaning, I have much higher vertical movement when I'm slow vs. when I run more quickly.
What do you do with that matrix
You are right handed? You should focus that your strides are equal length on both legs.
I have same gadget. Sometimes could be your right leg has some problem
I had hip bursitis and meter shows it. Wait I have Garmin HRM run waist. But same measures?
Power and contact time are my metrics. It’s all useful stuff though especially R/L balance.
Stryd definitely improved my running so yes. It's a powerful tool.
ps. Power output also changes with headwinds and the powermeter can tell that. Running with pace efforts against the wind always result with more effort. Power stays the same. It's easier to stay in the right zone. Great vid!
Have had one for about a year and it’s really improved my running and is an excellent training tool would really recommend the sturdy pod
How has it improved your running?
@@wesleytwiggs7687 it come with some good workout programmes where you run to a specific power for a period of time, did a 5k & 10k training program and gave me some structure as well as pushing me in places, did a 24:30 5k on a sprint triathlon and a 50 minute 10k which was bar far my best times for ages, am mid 50’s and have slowed up a bit in recent years! Use it now for running and will use it for triathlon training next year
@@backofthepack4553 ah. Won’t be using it then lol. Thanks.
I used Stryd for 2 years and I can tell you using a HR strap is much better measurement for effort.
Great video as always! You summarise the use of power meters really well. Love the unbiased opinion.
I ran with it for the past 2 years. Not even close to using its full potential as I'm a beginner and did a lot of zone 2 but at the same time I could rely on their training plans and it gave me good estimates and confidence of what I'm capable of on race day.
I’ve owned it since the first one came out, I owned the air version when it came out. I noticed a correlation between my power zones on the Stryd and my Joe Friel lactate threshold zones. It’s good for training, sucks for racing. Until running power becomes consistent like cycling power it’s just another tool in the box but not the tool to do away with all other tools. I will say this, it’s better than heart rate training any day of the week.
Great breakdown, I've never looked at power myself as a metric for measuring running but I can increasingly see it popping up on people's Strava. It'll be interesting to see if it takes off.
Interesting & we’ll done video. Much appreciated. I like your work 👍🏽Cheers from Taiwan 🇹🇼
As a novice runner I used a Stryd for training for a marathon in 2021. All my training was power based using a Stryd plan. It gave me a structure and a means of accurately being able to target a power for the marathon effort. I was able to hit the target power and was close to the predicted time. A great tool if training for something specific, but less useful for a casual runner
I use Stryd mostly for more consistent/accurate distance/pace since it doesn't rely on GPS which is terrible in my area.
That said, I do find power useful sometimes, particularly when there is wind or a hill I can better judge how much to slow down to avoid gassing myself by the time I get to the top. If I keep my power flat, that helps avoid spiking my HR into burn-out-and-crash territory to early in a run.
Will be interesting to see if wrist based power can beat foot pods, or if insoles can beat both.
Incredible video as always! Definitely the best running content creator! 🤩🤩🤩 Please keep the video coming!
Super well done, kudos from Berlin!
Started using it a month ago, I think my training is smarter, more accurate and spot on what I really need (training program).
Big fan of using power, especially for longer interval efforts and controlling easy runs. It's not as easy to stick to the numbers as it is on the bike though. Also, I'd love my bike watts numbers to equal my running power numbers 😁
Always loved your content, but seein those peregrines (they are saucony peregrines, right?) on your feet makes me love it even more.
Great video! 👍🏽
Thanks for the detailed info, awesome footage and interesting edits🍁
It’s a joy to watch all your videos!
Thanks for the support! 👍
I've been running with Stryd power for a couple years and find the power data useful in a similar way as power on the bike. I'm wondering, however, if Stryd is going to be outdone by wrist-based running power. It's unclear if Stryd has an edge over its competitors here.
Great video! It was informative, and you have a great sense of humor. Keep it up!!
Coros (not a sponsor) is moving away from power to 'effort pace' which is supposed to include temperature, elevation, etc.
Great video, very informative and wonderful style.
I've used a running power+ all those other stats device that looks like that but it's clipped on the back of my shorts at the center of the lower back. I think it's a Coros device. Quite happy with the data it provides. It has really told me some things about my running that helps.
I used running power for a few runs with my Garmin heart rate strap (HRM Pro).
However, I found that it was actually detrimental to my running, as constantly having to look at power data on my watch negatively impacted my running form
Currently, I think power is way more useful for cycling compared to running
I have used Stryd for about 2 years. I now just use the power for hills or wind, but generally run to pace. I have the Stryd footpod as pace on my watch, with GPS for average lap pace (1km laps). Stryd is crap on the treadmill. It gets so lost - I run way harder on the treadmill than the road if I run to power.
Have been using a stryd Pod for years and it helps a lot to do threshold work when Not on a Track or its really windy/)
I use power for interval sessions as the response if more instant - but stick to HR for steady/long sessions
Thanx! Just saved me a lot of money on power meter foot pods! 💪🤩
No problem 👍
Love the video! Your video editing gets better every video!
Thanks so much!!
I do you Garmin's running power, now native in the Forerunner 955 so I ca use structured trainings. With the HRM-pro strap I get the running dynamics that I use to see how I'm doing with my running technique/efficiency. I find the Running power useful, specially with structured training sessions to focus Aerobe-base, Muscle Endurance or Anaerobe. Specially since it can be very windy here in The Netherlands
Big fan of my stryd footpod but not really for it main purpose of power, more as a v precise way to record my runs.
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The power thing seemed cool but honestly I have used my Stryd because its simply much more accurate than GPS often right out of the box (I had to make a small calibration however). So it excels the most where GPS is at it worst: trail runs, track runs, indoors and around tall buildings where GPS goes wild. However its just as good or better than GPS in standard situations as well.
Also the stryd is much more responsive to speed changes than GPS is to see your current pacing. You'll notice if you do an interval workout on your Garmin that if you dont start running before the interval starts you will have a delay in the speed from when it catches up. This is minimized with the pod. Anyways I lost my pod and ordered the latest one. Interesting to see how it performs.
I use the guesstimate running power field on garmin. I think having a consistent set of data works as well as having precise data. Theoretically you could always get one of those portable VO2Max masks and run with that occasionally to "sync" up your power data with your threshold as a reference.
My power meter has been a great tool to focus my training successfully. Power also gives you numbers to help you compare to see where you are and where you can go, and help to focus your training for increased performance. All one need to do is read what cycling has done with power training.
I used power when I was wearing a Coros watch a couple of years ago. Those watches have an algorithm integrated that estimates running power without a pod or other additional gadget.
Imho using running power is not worthwhile for most people as it is another metric that will prevent you from listening to your body instead of relying on data. Maybe elite runners will benefit from it, but the casual TRAIL runner is better off with going by perceived effort :)
Anyways, informative vid!
Coming from a cycling background, I always tried to formulate in my head how power could be integrated into run training and I figured it would at least be attempted at some point in the near future. Pretty awesome that it's finally coming to market, even if it's finicky in its early development.
Love the editing style of this video!
btw: started running with you as inspiration and finished my first marathon in summer. :)
It amazes me every time I get a comment like that! Congrats on your first marathon!! And thanks, I appreciate it very much :) !
I've been running with Stryd for just over 5 years now, and bought the Stryd Wind in April this year, just few months short of the launch of the newest Stryd (grrr!). I've got it because I wanted accurate real-time pacing for interval work (gps is too slow to react). I've tried to calibrate it multiple times, I even bought a measuring wheel to measure several courses. I've found that the accuracy really depends on the shoes, the surface and the pace. On a 5K course, I've got +/- 20m accuracy between runs with the same shoes and similar pace, but when I was doing slower aerobic pace or faster running with carbon shoes, then I've got distance overestimated by 110m and even more. I've come to the conclusion that it can't be accurate regardless of other factors. I don't use auto calibration, because that just varies the calibration factor from time to time based on GPS, so it's always inaccurate on average. Now I just look at the power data when doing intervals (on flat or rolling terraing), maintaining intensity on hill training, and pacing during races or time trials based on estimated CP.
The problem is as you said the distance is changing depending on the shoes, I can tell you the power is changing aswell. It means with different shoes it can over or under estimate power like 3-5%. Doesnt sound much but trust me it can be critical at marathon pace or threshold runs.
The future of running, is running
Such a well put together video! I’m not sold on running power either as a great metric. Certainly some interesting data tho
super interesting, thanks for the vid
Of the 3 hill graphs clearly HR is the most accurate measure to effort. Foot pod is pointless when you have vertical oss, ground contact , stride length & rate with normal GPS.
I always run with the Stryd. The new one reacts faster to changes than the previous version. If you always run on a track, then it is no better than pace as a metric. But otherwise, it is much more useful for measuring effort, since HR drifts and can be inconsistent depending on the circumstances and even breathing isn't reliable (in my judgment) for estimating effort. On trails where you have to walk because of the grade, the Stryd is not so useful as you can be struggling but the power might be low. I don't know yet if the new version has improved this (I haven't had it long enough to run in the mountains). The Critical Power you get isn't useful until you've collected enough data at different effort levels and durations. And then it is a remarkable predictor of finishing times for road marathons (possibly for shorter distances but I haven't tried those yet)
I'd honestly recommend stryd to anyone. It's helped me out with speed tremendously
Did my final year project on such technology. Unfortunately, Stryd didn't respond to my efforts to get more info on their product for my research
I have an Apple Watch 7 and with updated WatchOS 9, it has added new running metrics like ground contact time, vertical oscillation, cadence, stride length aaaannnnndd running power. However I dont use all those measurements and use solely pace, HR, and distance.
Not sure about the gadget, but you did a great effort in making this video. Nice one 👏
Very entertaining, cheers 👍
I like power meters. I had bad right hip bursitis and Garmin HRM- Run waist shows it when I was running. Outbalance was left 47%, right foot 53%.
Now hip is ok and almost 50-50 leg balance(depends road gradients too). And with basic running you can find easier sweet spot like 5min/km and lowest heartbeat, right stride gait and other measures too in that speed.
It won't tell you now you are on your sweet spot(most economic running). Afterwards only you can analyze. Would be nice to look my Garmin 645 and see it when running!?
I have been using my galaxy watch active 2 to improve my running economy. It is crazy how much I was oscillating now that I am aware of it
Thoughts on Grade Adjusted Pace as a metric? I find quite helpful for hill runs. I mostly use HR and GAP for guaging intensity on the trails. Had a foot pod when they first came out (back in Suunto Ambit 2 days) and found it pretty unhelpful for anything other than road runs.
Same question. GAP and Power seems quite the same to me and I'd assume should be positively correlated.
Great to see you running again! I'm currently out with an injury (IT band issue) but hope to be back in 2 weeks ish - I think Coros has an "Effort adjusted pace" which is a kind of hybrid between pace and power (in that it takes into account effort of hills/elevation etc) maybe that's the future? I think pods could be good for discovering running imbalances? E.g. left/right because I think this would be the only reason I get one, if my running keeps improving. Great vid =] Maybe switch the music for some liquid drum & bass? ;)
The running footage is actually from last summer, I'm still struggling with my knee injury :/ Hope to be back soon! The "effort adjusted pace" seems interesting, thanks for pointing it out!🤔
@@TheUnlazyWay Ahhhhhh noooo!!! Well my fingers are crossed for you!! I've only been out for 3 weeks so I can only imagine how frustrating it is. I had to cancel a marathon, but I'm gonna walk one instead, then start up running once my knee is 100% better. Yes I saw one video about it, but it could be an interesting topic as it's a pretty new feature. I think it would be good for the same reasons you highlighted power in this video (particularly keeping easy trail runs with elevation easy)
Funnily enough I have looked at stryd over the weekend and contemplated buying one but I could not really see the point. It is nice to have one more metric to play with but in the end, if you have a good training plan and know your body pace and heart rate is enough. But we´ll see what the future brings
what gear do you use?! The video quality looks great!
I LOVE BAERD. you should do Hardangervidda across and learnd about how the human hunt a long time ago
I used the polar stride on my foot until it fell off and I never found it again.
Garmin has had this for a long time with the Running Pod. Seamlessly works with Garmin watches.
Your videos are crazy good. What software do you edit with ?
Shmiley Fashe, Shmiley Fashe. I love your accent.
Just heard about these on That Triathlon Life podcast! So glad you made this!
Similar devices are embedded in some of the under armour running shoes. Non removable, no need to charge connects to phone and or watch. Results upload right to the app when done. Auto tracking also if you don't want any watches or phones on your run/training.
Interesting🤔 thanks for sharing that!
The only real value of it IMHP is that it provides a much better current pace which GPS watches due quite badly at and allows you to achieve the desired finish time
But you can also just use the watches cadence feature which its quite good or a Garmin pace pro plan and achieve a good result
My heart-rate belt measure power when I run but I do not really use it as I mainly run in the City on flat roads. Hence, heart-rate and pace make more sense.
Most sports watches (Garmin, Coros, Apple Watch, etc) record wrist-based power now. Specific graphed comparisons of Stryd with many of these other watches are on Yoiutube channels like DesFit, Chasing The Summit, and The Run Testers. The findings: the wrist power meters are exceptional and on par with Stryd. The future of Stryd as a company is questionable. The future of power in running is undeniable,
Amazing
I have those shoes, Saucony Peregine 11. Yours are far more worn than mine. I don't get out as much as you do. How many miles do you have in them?
Coros has something similar for the last couple of years. But I assume it works with Coros watches though.
What action cam/ stick did you use to show the full body running shots? @7:50
Nope never used one before. Could also be interesting with swimming? 🏊🏼♂️ How is your Ice Swimming training going so far? 💪🏻
One more great video
They recently updated the apple watch like a month ago to show power, ground contact time, and many other new features. Are these accurate at all?
I use power metrics on my Polar V2 watch to estimate fitness progress running hills. My assumption is that the better I get at running hills, the lower the power metric will be (over time) when I run hills. Is this a faulty assumption? Thanks, great video!
How it compares to the metrics provided by garmin, suunto, apple?
Footpods were a thing back in the day :) are they coming back :)))
This reminds me of a video on youtube titled "Running 18 mph at different sizes". I wanted to figure out their power in watts. I'm pretty sure the big guy is using more watts despite the girl moving her feet quicker.
There's a 5 foot tall girl moving her legs quickly at about 270 bpm, and there's a 6'5" guy moving his legs at about 210 bpm. He weighs about 100 kg, and she weighs about 50 kg. I just wonder how I'm supposed to figure out their power.
Darn ! i thought this was a new knee cap for me
Haven't used it, it's not refined enough to provide outsize benefit for me. I tend to only incorporate the learnings when they are conclusive, and generally try not to overthink. I think the science of mostly easy, sometimes hard, hills for ageing athletes, benefits of doubles (even cross training) are are quite settled. However, I tend to consider heart rate monitoring as a bit of a pandoras box of problems (the body doesn't have zones and individual physiology varies so much) that I only run with a dedicated HR monitor strap now and again to track general progress with building aerobic base. I think for most athletes such granular data hinders rather than helps overall enjoyment of the sport, unless you're a pro where marginal gains matter, I think trying to min-max in running is a sure fire way to miss the true joy of just doing it. That's just me though, and I respect the numbers nerds all the same!
Actually even heartrate monitor is not needed for a good training, if you have already some experience in running. Going easy - you know it by feel. Go hard - you know it by feel. Only reason to look at the heartrate is the race when you are looking for a sweet sport so you can endure the whole distance optimally.
This reminds me of the Nike+ sensor you wore under the sole of your shoe
I've got one and to be honest, I don't find it that useful. Still find pace combined with heart rate more intuitive. Maybe for trail running it would be better?
Power measured doing anything slow and controlled will be inaccurate. The critical power supplies a metric that we can track and modify our progress in fitness. The accuracy with VO2 is AMAZING! I think you just talked me into getting one...
Sfx definitely improved in this video! About the gadget, idk looks more like a unnecessary gadget to me :/
I've used a Stryd for a while now. I like getting more data after my runs, but to be honest I don't find it anywhere near as useful as power is on the bike.
First, the inaccuracies are really obvious in certain circumstances: I did some trail running on a holiday this summer which included some ascents I simply couldn't run up, and even whilst walking I was putting in a lot of effort, but my power dropped right off. I'm guessing the different type of movement in walking compare to running meant the algorithm just didn't work properly.
Second there just isn't the range of powers in running in my experience. On the bike my easy zone 2 power is around 200W, I can hold about 320W for 20 minutes, 400W for 5 minutes, 700W for one minute and 1000W for 10s. When running with Stryd I can't really run much lower than 250W (even that feels uncomfortable slow), but an all out sprint is only about 600-700W. This combined with the lower accuracy (particularly with short term power) means glancing at my watch to see how hard I'm going is basically useless. It could read 240W or 320W and not really tell me much, because there are a bunch of confounding factors going into it.
That said, there are some nice things. First off it measures pace better than GPS, particularly in places where GPS can be spotty (wooded tracks in the hills for example). Secondly I do rate it as a measure for the overall effort of a run. It's instantaneous power might not be particularly reliable, but I think averaged over a complete run (assuming I don't have segments of walking up steep hills) I think it's close enough. Third, when it's icy outside, and I find myself running on a treadmill, I like that it can measure my speed and record it to my watch because I like capturing workouts.
But the final thing I think is good about it is that hopefully it will eventually lead to better running power meters. Ever since getting a power meter on the bike I have been a convert, and I want to end up with the same tech for running.
But in the mean time, whilst I use it every run, I mostly rely on perceived effort for pacing my runs.
Garmin HR gives all these metrics long time ago already
Seems like just another pointless gadget to me
In cycling its so popular nowadays
I can't see why it would be a good metric of intensity, hr provides intensity factoring in hills and other variables into its reading and it's relative
And that's exactly why I need one 🤣
I bought the garmin one a while back, its just been sitting on the shelf
@@dididubalier2196 because in cycling you can accurately calculate power, because it is a single force in a single direction... Running you can't.
Couple years behind, but good vid.
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Funny to see watts for running when I usually associate it with cycling
Hey what about the Garmin and Apple recent implementation of power directly on the watches?? Ah? Ah? Ahhh???
While running I want to cut off as much electronics as I can. I feel exhausted not because of the training, but because of these all devices. I want to clear my mind after work.
For sure it might be a good gadget for pros and aspiring amateurs, but I'm not in these groups. 🙃