God Particle was amazing because it emulated something you cannot get anymore -- his ozone 4 preset. Im sure Orion is great but i feel like you can just copy his old drum bus and get similar results (RBASS --> SHADOW HILLS --> BLACKBOX & The NLS bus he does)
This is super cool at least it alleviate a lot of plug-ins in your sessions, the only thing that I have noticed is that plug-ins are like drugs you buy one and there’s another and another and another is gonna leave you broke. What do you guys think?💭👻🔊💥
@@anaisvania tell me about it, but it always goes in the back of your head like I need this. I need this. I need this and it’s like all big producers. Say the bigger the list of your library of plug-ins the more difficult it is to pick what you’re gonna need to get started. I feel the less you have the more productive you are.
I love that Jaycen isnt coming out with bullshit and slapping his name on anything. Hes actually dropping plugins that we asked for after mimicking his strips. Thats how Luca does also..luv it.
Are we sure Drive is the NLS or is it Shadow Hills (Nickel, Iron, Steel)? If it is the NLS, are they just in a different order which makes up the "Color?"
The “grit” or “fruity loops” is just a soft clipper at the end of the mastering chain in older versions of FL… Idk how this is still so confusing for people. It’s not a limiter. The new default template uses a limiter in FL, but that’s not the signature sound.
There is clearly a lack of optimization on plugins in general as was the case on Izotope's plugins not so long ago, usable only for final mastering. It's not crazy in terms of sound rendering, you can achieve that easily if you have the skills.
Informative video as always. I would like to kindly ask if you could have a tutorial where you mix a whole hip hop track with the new Toneboosters V4 plugins. That would be awesome thank you in advance
So you're saying everything here except the drive (NLS) section is running in paraellel? It looks like maybe the harmonic eq isn't as it's labelled a bit differently and knobs dont show % but actually dbs?
Good! But I recommend having your kick,snares, rimshots, claps all going to one bus and putting it on there. But especially with more afrobeat, more organic ''chill'' sounding drums. Slapping it on all of it combined can sound great too
I haven't tried it myself, and you def need to do some mixing under the hood when it comes to compression/eq with the snare, kick, ect. But i'm sure it'll sound great. I saw one review and they used acoustic drums, sounded amazing to me!
Ive used it and it sounds good. What I usually do for acoustic drums is having the close mics going to C Drums (orion) and the OHs HHs and Room dont. That way you get heavy but still clean.
It does sound good! But like any plugin it will sound as good as the material you put it through. Slap some 2009 generic hip hop drums on it, it'll take em from a 2 to a 5. Put some modern well produced RNB drums it'll take em from a 6 to a 9.
Orion does not respect the source material, it changes the original sound too much, especially the kick. In examples in this video the drums sound better with Orion off IMO.
Just tested it on a mix, I was at 70% CPU and it jumped to >100% and crapped itself, and it doesn't even have oversampling... 30%+ CPU is ridiculous for what it does
@@mixedbymatty amd 5800x3d/32gb/W10 ... other people also reporting 30-40% CPU usage. Definitely needs some looking into ... I can run a pretty heavy load of plugins, but this one makes my CPU really unhappy for some reason. Hopefully it will be addressed
Tell me you use knock without telling me you use knock: all jokes aside... You really don't need it with this. But if you want, YOU can slap on a clipper afterwards if you want
I had the original template from ProTools and copied the drum aux + parallels with plugins other than waves. I tried Orion and wow - am I disappointed. It sounds stupidly bad. There are just no words to describe it. It's the same low quality plugins like most of those "all in one plugins". Wow, and this took like one year. I'm so disappointed. Would not even use it for free. Note: I think the bass in your example is too distorted already to say something about the distortion from Orion.
You used all the plugins other than waves!?? 3/4 of the original chain is waves. So you weren’t using the “chain” at all. Not sure what you’re comparing here.
@@mixedbymatty Yes that's right. I ear matched from originally waves to other brands. From my hear, this is the chain: - shadow hills comp - Spectre = Rbass/Rcomp - Pultec EQ - SSL G Channel Gate - Softube Transient Designer 4 Parallels (the names are the same as in Orion except grit = transformer) 1) Loud (upward compression) → SmartComp2 = Waves MV2 2) Grit/Transformer → Softube Harmonics, SSL Bus Comp, Stereo Widener, Low Cut 3) Sub → SSL Bus Comp + Pultec EQP1A 4) Low = Low Air → Hi Cut + SSL Drum Strip LF Enhancer (= Waves LoAir) Just out of my head. I tried to get anything good sounding out of Orion. I don't like the sound. The transients from the parallels are not aligned. Especially the "grit". I don't like the harmonic distortion at all. Sound flat and lifeless. My other chain has 10x more depth.
@@mixedbymatty no, 3/4 is not from waves, only RBass and MV2. The heavy hitters (Shadow Hills Mastering Compressor, Black Box) that make most of the sound are from UAD and/or Brainworx.
Have you seen his entire drum buss chain? This take multiple elements and puts it into 1. Besides a transient designer and a clipper at the end this is pretty insane.
Unless he starts releasing mono, multi-monos and surround versions…I’m not even interested in looking at them. When mixes come in with God Particle, it immediately gets removed because it cannot be translated into ATMOS if you use OBEDs or anything hybrid. And if it was used on the master you can’t effectively print stems through it because it doesn’t react to isolated stems the same as it does on the full mix. Sorry Jaycen. But you gotta keep up with the formats.
That's because Atmos is a costly, money-making gimmick that consumers care nothing about. Atmos will never be adopted by music consumers, as the required hardware is costly & impractical Atmos only makes sense for Tv/Film, when multi-angle VISUAL cues are represented with realistic audio panorama.
@@ShynAwkward 3.5 billion devices already out there capable of playing a format that has one deliverable that encompasses every format below it. Sure. You keep your propaganda up. I’ll be over here making some money on that “money-making gimmick”
@@JamesArthurHurley People cannot afford equipement to enjoy atmos. Most of the people use their phones to listen to music(which is crazy). It's a long way before it becomes a thing for the public,a very long way.
Great run-through, Matty, thanks!
Bought it right after testing it. It saves so much time and sounds phenomenal. I don’t have any plug-in that does this so well. ❤
God Particle was amazing because it emulated something you cannot get anymore -- his ozone 4 preset.
Im sure Orion is great but i feel like you can just copy his old drum bus and get similar results (RBASS --> SHADOW HILLS --> BLACKBOX & The NLS bus he does)
True, but here you get it for 79usd and everything in one gui. Hard to beat the simplicity of that.
This is great!!! Do you know what plugins he uses to create the parallel auxes?
This is super cool at least it alleviate a lot of plug-ins in your sessions, the only thing that I have noticed is that plug-ins are like drugs you buy one and there’s another and another and another is gonna leave you broke. What do you guys think?💭👻🔊💥
All this plug ins are not needed
@@anaisvania tell me about it, but it always goes in the back of your head like I need this. I need this. I need this and it’s like all big producers. Say the bigger the list of your library of plug-ins the more difficult it is to pick what you’re gonna need to get started. I feel the less you have the more productive you are.
I love that Jaycen isnt coming out with bullshit and slapping his name on anything. Hes actually dropping plugins that we asked for after mimicking his strips. Thats how Luca does also..luv it.
Are we sure Drive is the NLS or is it Shadow Hills (Nickel, Iron, Steel)? If it is the NLS, are they just in a different order which makes up the "Color?"
Maybe you can show us the jaycen joshua template on studio one. It would be highly appreciated .
The “grit” or “fruity loops” is just a soft clipper at the end of the mastering chain in older versions of FL… Idk how this is still so confusing for people. It’s not a limiter. The new default template uses a limiter in FL, but that’s not the signature sound.
Yes. That's been figured out but 6-7 years ago we were all still trying to figure out why.
So the "grit" parallel aux slider is just a clipper you say? Interesting
Do you know what other plugins he uses for the other parallel sliders?
I compared with adptr ab orion and the old chain, trying to make them play at the same volume, for me the old chain sounds better
On every Orion plugin review you post the same comment,are you a hater?
@ I don't think I was rude or a hater, I just expressed my opinion after doing some tests 😅
QUICK QUESTION. Has anyone done a video with this plug-in, while using god particle on the mix bus?
I am using it with god particle and it blows me away 😂
There is clearly a lack of optimization on plugins in general as was the case on Izotope's plugins not so long ago, usable only for final mastering.
It's not crazy in terms of sound rendering, you can achieve that easily if you have the skills.
Since I couldn't see the Studio One interface, I wondered about the CPU utilization
This couldn’t have come out at a better time. Can’t wait
Most of the time the drums sounded better without it. More natural, punchy and defined. But it sounded round and cool on bass I must confess.
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Probably right. As I mixer, I will receive sessions with this plug in already on it. Like it or not, I'm gonna need it.
Been waiting for this! 🔥🔥🔥 Let’s go!
Informative video as always. I would like to kindly ask if you could have a tutorial where you mix a whole hip hop track with the new Toneboosters V4 plugins. That would be awesome thank you in advance
Does this apply to his sub/bass bus? I know they go both hand and hand.
I can’t wait to use it. God Particle is already the secret sauce! amazing
It has never been secret 😂😂😂its overhyped from day 1
secret sauce :D :D :D hahahahahhaahha GAMEEEEE CHANGEEEERRRR
@@michaelguardenti2253it’s pretty damn good
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in Jaycen's demonstration video example, it looks like he is still using the NLS BUS chain along with this plugin.
he still uses the nls and his boom group presets on the bass/sub/808s since his next plugin "bass invader" is still in the making.
So you're saying everything here except the drive (NLS) section is running in paraellel? It looks like maybe the harmonic eq isn't as it's labelled a bit differently and knobs dont show % but actually dbs?
That lil thing is powerful
Let's see what it can do for my CR78....testing today.
Anyone know what freq the HPF is set to when turned on?
How does it sound with Kick, Snare and Hi-hats?
Good! But I recommend having your kick,snares, rimshots, claps all going to one bus and putting it on there. But especially with more afrobeat, more organic ''chill'' sounding drums. Slapping it on all of it combined can sound great too
But how does it sound on acoustic drums? Need to try it haha
I haven't tried it myself, and you def need to do some mixing under the hood when it comes to compression/eq with the snare, kick, ect. But i'm sure it'll sound great. I saw one review and they used acoustic drums, sounded amazing to me!
Ive used it and it sounds good. What I usually do for acoustic drums is having the close mics going to C Drums (orion) and the OHs HHs and Room dont. That way you get heavy but still clean.
Thanks for all the tips and suggestions for using this not just on the drum bus - like on bass and strings...
I gotta try this and compare it to the Knock plugin which I love
As someone who now owns both… Knock is way better in my opinion.
@@joshjamesuk Yeah. I tested this yesterday and in my opinion Knock is better
I got better results running this on parallel rather than inserting it on my drum-bus channel. I strongly suggest you try that.
I observe Jaycen Joshua 😀 he use Orion in new session "yes or no " and how is the sound
Where?
Amazing 🔥🔥🔥
Doesn't exactly sound very good does it?
It does sound good! But like any plugin it will sound as good as the material you put it through. Slap some 2009 generic hip hop drums on it, it'll take em from a 2 to a 5. Put some modern well produced RNB drums it'll take em from a 6 to a 9.
Hey they really made a plugin after me😊
im done buying plugins.
👀 I was sold in 0.01 seconds 🙃
stupid?
Content creators we need an urgent comparison with Knock
@@Reggi_Sample not a good comparison they're 2 different things
@@Craftmaster3 would ssl drumstrip be a better comparison?
Orion does not respect the source material, it changes the original sound too much, especially the kick. In examples in this video the drums sound better with Orion off IMO.
Can’t wait for the AI version
I think in an interview jaycen stated hes not a fan of the AI stuff, don't think he'll be adding it.
i'm expecting this thing to nuke my cpu
Not bad on CPU at all.
Just tested it on a mix, I was at 70% CPU and it jumped to >100% and crapped itself, and it doesn't even have oversampling... 30%+ CPU is ridiculous for what it does
@@thatreddot6005 nah, thats a pass
idk what computer your on but mine is at most 8%
@@mixedbymatty amd 5800x3d/32gb/W10 ... other people also reporting 30-40% CPU usage. Definitely needs some looking into ... I can run a pretty heavy load of plugins, but this one makes my CPU really unhappy for some reason. Hopefully it will be addressed
Seems to be the Best on Bass, but the SSL Native DrumStrip is better
No Gate or Clipper......Why???!!!! he needed to put a Clipper on the end of it............
You don't already have a gate and clipper?
😂😂
Tell me you use knock without telling me you use knock:
all jokes aside... You really don't need it with this. But if you want, YOU can slap on a clipper afterwards if you want
Lol sounds better off...
Depends on the material you put through it. Just like you can't slap a limiter on a bad mix and all of a sudden it makes it good.
THE MORE SIMPLICITY AUDIO GETS THE MORE WACK PEOPLE BECOME. THIS ISN'T FIRE
This thing sucks and that’s coming from someone who uses god particle on everything
I had the original template from ProTools and copied the drum aux + parallels with plugins other than waves.
I tried Orion and wow - am I disappointed. It sounds stupidly bad. There are just no words to describe it. It's the same low quality plugins like most of those "all in one plugins". Wow, and this took like one year. I'm so disappointed. Would not even use it for free.
Note: I think the bass in your example is too distorted already to say something about the distortion from Orion.
You used all the plugins other than waves!?? 3/4 of the original chain is waves. So you weren’t using the “chain” at all. Not sure what you’re comparing here.
@@mixedbymatty Yes that's right. I ear matched from originally waves to other brands.
From my hear, this is the chain:
- shadow hills comp
- Spectre = Rbass/Rcomp
- Pultec EQ
- SSL G Channel Gate
- Softube Transient Designer
4 Parallels (the names are the same as in Orion except grit = transformer)
1) Loud (upward compression)
→ SmartComp2 = Waves MV2
2) Grit/Transformer
→ Softube Harmonics, SSL Bus Comp, Stereo Widener, Low Cut
3) Sub
→ SSL Bus Comp + Pultec EQP1A
4) Low = Low Air
→ Hi Cut + SSL Drum Strip LF Enhancer (= Waves LoAir)
Just out of my head.
I tried to get anything good sounding out of Orion. I don't like the sound. The transients from the parallels are not aligned. Especially the "grit". I don't like the harmonic distortion at all. Sound flat and lifeless. My other chain has 10x more depth.
@@mixedbymatty no, 3/4 is not from waves, only RBass and MV2.
The heavy hitters (Shadow Hills Mastering Compressor, Black Box) that make most of the sound are from UAD and/or Brainworx.
The harmonics must be emulating what JJ is doing with Spectre
@@rubenrojano78 sounds like mud to me. I am enjoying the God Particle sometimes, but this is a rip off.
Another awful all in one plugin i can't wait not to buy.
another boring generic tool
Have you seen his entire drum buss chain? This take multiple elements and puts it into 1. Besides a transient designer and a clipper at the end this is pretty insane.
Unless he starts releasing mono, multi-monos and surround versions…I’m not even interested in looking at them. When mixes come in with God Particle, it immediately gets removed because it cannot be translated into ATMOS if you use OBEDs or anything hybrid. And if it was used on the master you can’t effectively print stems through it because it doesn’t react to isolated stems the same as it does on the full mix. Sorry Jaycen. But you gotta keep up with the formats.
That's because Atmos is a costly, money-making gimmick that consumers care nothing about.
Atmos will never be adopted by music consumers, as the required hardware is costly & impractical
Atmos only makes sense for Tv/Film, when multi-angle VISUAL cues are represented with realistic audio panorama.
@@ShynAwkward 3.5 billion devices already out there capable of playing a format that has one deliverable that encompasses every format below it. Sure. You keep your propaganda up. I’ll be over here making some money on that “money-making gimmick”
@@JamesArthurHurley
People cannot afford equipement to enjoy atmos. Most of the people use their phones to listen to music(which is crazy). It's a long way before it becomes a thing for the public,a very long way.
@@mygoogle1525 and somehow there is already 3.5 BILLION atmos capable devices already sold
You can sidechain to a dummy stereo master to print stems on the god particle.
the animation in the gui is making my neurons bleed
LOL, I love the animation. But like with the god particle they'll update it and you can turn off the gui effects in a future update.