@@EvansMTBSagaEvan it's amazing and appreciated. The genre is pretty much dead right now, nothing fresh, nothing original. Seth is still going strong and Matt Jones is crushing it this year, but I put you right up there with them. Phenomenal production and far from unnoticed! If this was 2017 you'd easily have a million subs right now.
I actually really like the fact that you pointed out the caveats in the tests and trying to make the tests as one to one as much as possible. So far this series is looking really good! Keep it up!
I've been watching your videos for a while and just had to say I think all of the thought you put into the two 'characters' made it so fun and engaging to watch! I'm sure it made it a lot more work to shoot but I think it was definitely worth it! Hopefully the algorithm agrees.
Dang dude if I hadn’t watched your videos before I would’ve thought you had a twin! The amount of time and effort put into this is crazy, and I can’t wait for the rest of the season 🤙🤙🤙
Your videos are full of great technical info and riding footage, like other RUclipsrs, but what they don’t bring is the entertainment that I get on your channel. It’s always fun to”riding” with you. There’s a ton of work you put into your videos, likely more time than riding, and it shows, and it’s much appreciated! Keep up the good work!
Oh yeah awesome deal! So the Grid Trail is thicker than the "Grid". You might experience some rolling resistance (I have the exact combo you ordered on my YT), but they're grippy and should resist pinch flats better
If you live in rocky terrain, the Specialized sidewalls are known to be a little weak. But to be fair, Maxxis EXO sidewalls are also known for the same thing.
@@mrvwbug4423 I picked up an Assegai with the new EXO+ a month ago, and so far it's held up nicely. I said that I wasn't going to go back to maxxis because of the weak sidewalls but I couldn't resist. 🫠
Hats off to you for taking constructive comments from the last season to make this one even better! Can't wait to see the rest! Also, I know the Polygon is a budget bike but stock 38 pounds for a trail bike is.. a LOT. I've got a Canyon Neuron 6 (also 140 /130 travel) that I bought new during a Canyon sale for $2000 and it's 31.5 pounds, only change was running tubeless. I didn't realize how heavy those Polys are.
Yeah it is kinda crazy about their weight. Still trying to figure out what's so heavy on the bike now that the tires have been changed. Thanks for the comments on High Low, I spent 2 years reading comments and figuring out how to make it better. Episode 2 coming this Saturday!
@@EvansMTBSaga I have to wonder if part of it is the frame? I’d be curious what a bare frame weighs, like you weighed them in the HardTail Quest series. It was so interesting to see how much variation there was in the weights of those frames even made from the same materials. Thanks again for the amount of care and work you put into your content! Setting up the right camera angles alone has to take forever, let alone filming and editing it all to be a two person conversation with you and Chad! I’ve seen GMBN not execute that filming style as well as you, so way to go!
After a lot of tyre testing I found when I ended up chasing grip it killed the bike. Lower top speed, the speed window the bike was happy in was smaller and it was harder to get there and stay there. I now run the least amount of tyre I can get away with and found that ( for me ) extra communication made up for overall grip loss as that gave me the confidence, the bike had a much larger happy window and was easier to ride at all speeds. The lower drag also gave me more energy for longer which also added to strength and confidence on the downhills.
You have said one of the most honest, insightful things I have ever heard from an MTB RUclipsr. "Be honest with yourself." SO MANY people on my local trails are riding aspirational bikes/tires ... gear for the trails they WISH they rode (ie hard, enduro, chunky, steep, even park), instead of the mostly flowy, never too spicy local stuff they ride almost exclusively. I rode a 21lb hardtail for years here with folks on full-on enduro bikes and had no issue keeping up. And it's not becuase I am that great ... at all. They were simply WAY overbiked for the trails we ride. While I now ride a full-suspension, it's only because I got old (and more broken). It's 100/100 travel and I run SPecialized Fast Tracks F/R ... its plenty! Glad to hear someone say it out loud ... someone folks might listen to!
Haha I planned on saying more about that, but kept it short and sweet. I wanted to say that it doesn't make sense running certain parts because "I'm going to a bike park next year". It's just shooting yourself in the foot! Glad you liked it man!!
I love my T6, but there are minimum upgrades that are a must: tubeless, and an 11sp 11-51t drivetrain. Optionally I added a titanium rail saddle, 30t front chainring, Pike Select, and a Versus tire with trail casing in the rear. My Siskiu T6 get me up the steep Alaskan hills with gusto. I wish I could upgrade my legs and heart as easily as the bike. Can't wait to see what you do to your Siskiu's!
My oneup pedals (the high bike ones) did the same noise years ago, i "installed" a shorter washer and put grease on them and never even took them off again, never had a noise or problem
So heavy! But for an entry level bike they're pretty rad. I can only imagine when a new person finally installs proper tires, they're gonna feel like Superman
My T7 came with Vee Tire Flow Snaps. As much as I loved the insane grip they had, I swapped them for some lighter and faster rolling Maxxis EXO/EXO+ tires ASAP and put the Vee Tires to the side for my (then) future eMTB.
great episode, I've been waiting for high / low. The specialized tires are great, I run them on a stump jumper but a butcher t7 on the back and a hillbilly t9 on the front, suits our conditions here in NZ
Evan, The oneup squeek is normal when new, all 3 of my sets did it, just Take them apart and put a smear of grease on the rubber seal, once they wear in they wont do anymore anyway. When i spoke to oneup they are ment to come with a little grease but he said the factory dont do it.
I found some documentation that says to remove a certain rubber o-ring because its there to keep the seals in place during transport. I did it and they're working great.
I'd love to try their stuff too, but the saga squad overwhelming voted for regular high end stuff instead of exotic. So drivetrain will be something like gx cable vs GX axs
Those OneUp plastic pedals are fantastic. I’ve got those and a couple pairs of metal high end pedals and i prefer the plastic One Ups. Great grip and they’ve been extra durable.
They've grown on me quite a bit. They don't have the feeling of being actually glued to the pedals like the expensive ones when stationary. But when riding, I've yet to slip a pedal
If you want your feet to be glued to your pedals, you should try Magped pedals. I was a die-hard flats guy until I tried the Mag peds. I will never go back!
I personally buy the lowest trim because I like to swap to the parts that I like most of the time the frame is the same. The only thing that changes is the components.
Do you like to swap shocks? That's been my hangup, I can't find a cheap build with a nice shock. And the shock sizing always seems to be wonky. But I agree on building it up all custom like.
FYI. I am fairly certain that Shimano and Tekro use almost the same hydraulic fittings so you can just swap the lever and calliper and leave the hose. at least it worked when i did it
How would a tube statically deforming against the inside of your tire increase friction/rolling resistance between the tire and the ground? The tube doesn't move within the tire, and, if anything, the force it applies outward on the tire would resist deformation (thus decreasing rolling resistance by decreasing the size of the contact point).
@@EvansMTBSaga is your curt-at-best "Google it" reply based on your lack of familiarity with the subject, your insecurity with having made unsupported claims, or just a generalized apathy towards your audience? Regardless, having done so, it seems that there's a multitude of factors contributing to this, but none of what contributes to rolling resistance seems to be internal friction between tube and tire (intuitively). Rolling resistance is most prominently effected by tire pressure, weight, size, and rolling surface. Running tubeless usually accompanies running lower tire pressures which significantly increases rolling resistance except in the case of rough terrain. Tubeless systems do decrease weight (though less than expected considering the inclusion of liquid sealant in tubeless systems) and increase compliance which does proportionally decrease rolling resistance. On smooth, flat terrain it seems tubeless systems (when using the same tire) have reduced rolling resistance at the same tire pressures as systems with tubes. This circumstance (flat, smooth terrain) is not representative of MTB in general, though. All in all, it seems as though tubeless does reduce rolling resistance in certain circumstances that likely change between sections of the same trail, and that the change to rolling resistance is not a significant factor in the tubes vs tubeless decision (specifically in MTB).
Great series bro! I recently purchased the salsa rustler deore for my 12 year old daughter’s first bike. I should’ve looked at the polygon t8 for the same price 🤦🏻♂️ I still haven’t actually received the bike as they are still building it. Do you think the salsa rustler deore will be a decent beginner bike? I just want her to be safe and still have a good frame base to be able to upgrade when it’s the right time. Thank you!👍
Chud vs. Chad. There are no winners here. Lol. Both bikes are heavy imo. My Rocky Instinct C30 w a heavy Deore group set, and DHF/DHR weighs 33 lbs. w pedals. Cool vid and production. This was a pretty ambitious comparison.
As a T7 owner myself, yeah, the bike is heavy. But that's because of the components, specifically the wheels. Those Entity wheels are beefy! But this is just the first episode. They will shed a few pounds by the end of the series.
Why buy a bike you need to keep upgrading? It is more expensive, unless you have multiple bikes w compatible parts. That why you buy a bike for the frame. These alloy bikes will never get near 30 lbs. ,even if you hang carbon parts and XTR components on them.
That's pretty light for that build on the Instinct. My Altitude C70 with DH casing contis or EXO+ Maxxis and cushcore (I don't run cushcore on the Contis) is 34lbs
The difference between an expensive one and a non expensive one is usually just the parts, the frames themselves are usually near enough the same price.
The joys of upgrading a budget/affordable bike. It's super fun to customize them. You should check out some of the deals on frames using 210x55 shocks. I saw some really good ones going for like $1000 on Pinkbike. Heck even a Status 140 with the rear shock was $419 a month ago
I wouldn't pay full retail for them, they're decent, but at full price there are better tires out there. Vittora Mazza is probably the closest of the newer tires to the Butcher, but absolutely destroys it in performance while costing about the same at full retail. Conti Kryptotal front and the Assegai I think are still the top two front tires out there and its hair splitting between them. Conti Kryptotal rear is hands down the best rear tire on the market right now by a mile.
Quality is so good on the new ones! On that deore derailluer, did you forget to turn on the clutch? Or did someone tweak with the clutch spring tension?
Evan remember I just commented saying I had to get stitches and you responded it was because the one up pedals I was using that sliced my shin I was wearing 5 10 also
As fun as the premise of this video was, I'm kinda disappointed that you didn't do an actual high/low comparison of trail tires. I would've opted for a set of Conti Kryptotal trail casing tires for high bike. The Vee Flow snaps are known for being a cheap DH tire that's pretty grippy but maybe not to the level of Maxxis, Conti, Schwalbe, Vittoria, etc.
That was the #1 complaint last season, I used different tires. So I get what you're saying, but with very tight budget restrictions, this is the best I could come up with
Is a trail bike the same as an all-mountain bike? Isn't the Eliminator an enduro tire, like their version of the DHR? Cause I ordered a T9 Grid Trail(not the gravity cause that's way too heavy at 300 grams more) 2 weeks ago to replace my wife's bikes DHF. Rear is that new Purgatory.
There's a lot of overlap between trail and all mountain bikes. I'd normally consider a 130/140 bike to be a trail bike and a 150/160 bike like an Ibis Ripmo or Transition Sentinel to be all mountain bikes. I always thought the Butcher was the DHF clone, the Eliminator is more like their answer to the Dissector. Eliminator up front honestly sounds perfect for a trail bike and I'd run a heavier casing version of it as a rear on an enduro bike (well if I was buying Specialized tires, on my actual enduro bike I'm running DH casing Kryptotals).
@@mrvwbug4423 @EvansMTBSaga I saw the previous gen Purgatory on sale on their site. I think it a was $36. Butchers are also on sale, which looks real grippy as a front tire. Overkill cause we don't ride ridgeline and double trails too often. Huh, now that I look at it again, Eliminators looks like a mix of DHR & DHF, but with the DHR knob height.
Hey Evan! I got a set of those Tektro Orion 4p +2 on my DH bike, but I'm not sure if they're capable enough for actual downhill riding.. they are the exact same brakes you had on the High bike. What would you say?
I was thinking about that one and titling it "Expensive Upgrades that make no sense". A little clickbaity, but I'd test it and find out if I like it haha
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Dang Evan, the amount of preproduction and forethought to making this series is already super impressive. I'm really excited about this series now!
I thought about it nonstop since January! Tons of writing, spreadsheets, ideation. I appreciate you noticing
@@EvansMTBSagaEvan it's amazing and appreciated. The genre is pretty much dead right now, nothing fresh, nothing original. Seth is still going strong and Matt Jones is crushing it this year, but I put you right up there with them. Phenomenal production and far from unnoticed! If this was 2017 you'd easily have a million subs right now.
I actually really like the fact that you pointed out the caveats in the tests and trying to make the tests as one to one as much as possible. So far this series is looking really good! Keep it up!
Thanks! I put a lot of thought into this second season having a 2 year gap
You and Seth have the best mountain bike RUclips channels from a self source production standpoint! Great production, videoing and relevant content.
Can you imagine if Evan eventually told us these videos aren't just him in two outfits and instead he has a twin?
#ChadIsReal
@@EvansMTBSaga I knew it! I knew it!
Evil twin brother! Dude needs a trip to PNW.
My Name is Evan lol 😂
Now this is quality content! :) I have been waiting like a year for this and you didn’t let me down!
Your videos just keep getting better. Can’t wait for the next episode.
I've been watching your videos for a while and just had to say I think all of the thought you put into the two 'characters' made it so fun and engaging to watch! I'm sure it made it a lot more work to shoot but I think it was definitely worth it! Hopefully the algorithm agrees.
Phenomenal production Evan, please know it doesn't go unnoticed or unappreciated!
Chad isnt used to climbing since Bentonville is so flat
The "Bentonville Pedal" is actually a thing haha
GOT EM
Dang dude if I hadn’t watched your videos before I would’ve thought you had a twin! The amount of time and effort put into this is crazy, and I can’t wait for the rest of the season 🤙🤙🤙
Thanks Luke! I appreciate it
Your videos are full of great technical info and riding footage, like other RUclipsrs, but what they don’t bring is the entertainment that I get on your channel. It’s always fun to”riding” with you. There’s a ton of work you put into your videos, likely more time than riding, and it shows, and it’s much appreciated! Keep up the good work!
Thanks GT!! I appreciate the recognition. Working on episode 2 right now
The effort that was put into this video is really noticeable, it's really good to watch.
Thanks man! I put in a ton of hours on this
Maaaaan this is one of your bests.
Fun and catching
It shows your creativity how much you care.
❤
Waking up and finding out high low bike is back, watched it!!!! Today is gonna be a good day.
♥️♥️❤️
Your videos are so impressive! Looking forward to a million subscribers in no time🎉
I just bought a specialized eliminator and butcher grid trail yesterday when I saw the sale, good to see I didn't waste my money
Oh yeah awesome deal! So the Grid Trail is thicker than the "Grid". You might experience some rolling resistance (I have the exact combo you ordered on my YT), but they're grippy and should resist pinch flats better
If you live in rocky terrain, the Specialized sidewalls are known to be a little weak. But to be fair, Maxxis EXO sidewalls are also known for the same thing.
@@mrvwbug4423 I picked up an Assegai with the new EXO+ a month ago, and so far it's held up nicely. I said that I wasn't going to go back to maxxis because of the weak sidewalls but I couldn't resist. 🫠
@@mrvwbug4423the newest specialized tires are okay, anything older than 2 years ago or so is very weak.
Stoked on the content! Been watching for years and youve definitely become one of my favorite creators in mtb!
Thanks man!!
High Low series is back! Yessss!!!
Like the extra info about the choices and the explanation about the tubeless. Season 2 will for sure boost higher production quality!
Awesome job on season to Evan! Super great video and I would say one of the highest quality videos you have ever done!
Thanks Caleb! I wanted to go all out for this series
Hats off to you for taking constructive comments from the last season to make this one even better! Can't wait to see the rest! Also, I know the Polygon is a budget bike but stock 38 pounds for a trail bike is.. a LOT. I've got a Canyon Neuron 6 (also 140 /130 travel) that I bought new during a Canyon sale for $2000 and it's 31.5 pounds, only change was running tubeless. I didn't realize how heavy those Polys are.
Yeah it is kinda crazy about their weight. Still trying to figure out what's so heavy on the bike now that the tires have been changed. Thanks for the comments on High Low, I spent 2 years reading comments and figuring out how to make it better. Episode 2 coming this Saturday!
@@EvansMTBSaga I have to wonder if part of it is the frame? I’d be curious what a bare frame weighs, like you weighed them in the HardTail Quest series. It was so interesting to see how much variation there was in the weights of those frames even made from the same materials. Thanks again for the amount of care and work you put into your content! Setting up the right camera angles alone has to take forever, let alone filming and editing it all to be a two person conversation with you and Chad! I’ve seen GMBN not execute that filming style as well as you, so way to go!
"I ride Whistler and rampage all the time"
I might have heard something similar in the lifts once 😂
Hi-Lo are always pretty fun to see, last season was really good. Looking forward to the changes for this year, should provide more useful information.
Great improvements so far over the last series - took that idea and refined it to be even better!
Thanks Matt! Lots of thought since the original 2 years ago. That and donut media keeps pushing the envelope and bettering their series haha.
this video is frekin sickk, i can definitely notice how much effort you put into this, cant wait for the next one🤙
Thank you for the video Evan. That came out really fun 😉
Nice to see a T6. Best 1st upgrade to my T6 was ditching the heavy Vee Tires
Excited to watch these again!
🔥 love the idea the theme the editing. The amount of work put into this and thought 👌 u are definitely on youre way good sir!
After a lot of tyre testing I found when I ended up chasing grip it killed the bike. Lower top speed, the speed window the bike was happy in was smaller and it was harder to get there and stay there.
I now run the least amount of tyre I can get away with and found that ( for me ) extra communication made up for overall grip loss as that gave me the confidence, the bike had a much larger happy window and was easier to ride at all speeds.
The lower drag also gave me more energy for longer which also added to strength and confidence on the downhills.
You have said one of the most honest, insightful things I have ever heard from an MTB RUclipsr. "Be honest with yourself." SO MANY people on my local trails are riding aspirational bikes/tires ... gear for the trails they WISH they rode (ie hard, enduro, chunky, steep, even park), instead of the mostly flowy, never too spicy local stuff they ride almost exclusively. I rode a 21lb hardtail for years here with folks on full-on enduro bikes and had no issue keeping up. And it's not becuase I am that great ... at all. They were simply WAY overbiked for the trails we ride. While I now ride a full-suspension, it's only because I got old (and more broken). It's 100/100 travel and I run SPecialized Fast Tracks F/R ... its plenty! Glad to hear someone say it out loud ... someone folks might listen to!
Haha I planned on saying more about that, but kept it short and sweet. I wanted to say that it doesn't make sense running certain parts because "I'm going to a bike park next year". It's just shooting yourself in the foot! Glad you liked it man!!
Yea thats the series that I love in your channel and when I started subscribing
This is insanely high quality content for a one man band 🙌
Also, thx for the reminder to not leave the Enduro tires on my trail bike all year around!
Such amazing content!! Can't wait for next episode!
Awsome video dude! Keep up the good work!👍
I love my T6, but there are minimum upgrades that are a must: tubeless, and an 11sp 11-51t drivetrain. Optionally I added a titanium rail saddle, 30t front chainring, Pike Select, and a Versus tire with trail casing in the rear. My Siskiu T6 get me up the steep Alaskan hills with gusto. I wish I could upgrade my legs and heart as easily as the bike. Can't wait to see what you do to your Siskiu's!
Literally just got back from the ER from a flat petal incident. 2 large shin gashes requiring many stitches. Be careful with flat pedals LOL
These kinds of comments are why I'm honestly always leaning towards clipless, or even mag peds.
Such a good video! I’m so stoked on season 2 🤙
I've got myself a marin hawkhill 2, Second hand bbs02 and new battery now I have the performance!
Tapered headtube is also a must have for mtbing
You have to pay to convert back to strait to install a fox 40, boxxer or dh38 which are really popular dual crown forks .
Interesting haven't noticed that
When the bottle cage fell I lost it, lol I’m glad you left that in.
Haha I love leaving that stuff in. Sometimes I'll re-record to not have the mistake, but who wants a perfectly polished video
Your video style reminds me of the old car shows I used to watch like Stacy's garage and two guys garage back on cable TV. I like it.
Superb content! Now we just need the High Low theme song back!
"I'm pretty hard on bikes, I basically a pro." made me LOL!
My oneup pedals (the high bike ones) did the same noise years ago, i "installed" a shorter washer and put grease on them and never even took them off again, never had a noise or problem
Oh yeah takes the compression off the squeaking internals. OneUp has an official fix which I did for episode 2
You are hilarious. I lol so many times. When the bottle cage fell off that got me too. Keep it up!
Thanks! I love showing the mistakes haha
@@EvansMTBSaga Made my day, thank you!
Great way to kick off Season 2!!!! 🤘🏻
Thanks Matt!! Luckily the Castle opened up so I got to film for episode 2 yesterday
Amazing content as always 🙏🙏 keep up the good work Evan
Thanks dude!!!
Cant wait for the next episode😎🤠
Whistler is more than a bike park, and yes, it's been "open" since January
We missed you Chad!!
Yes! Awesome job on the video.
ran vee tires before and they were absolute leg killers on climbs
So heavy! But for an entry level bike they're pretty rad. I can only imagine when a new person finally installs proper tires, they're gonna feel like Superman
My T7 came with Vee Tire Flow Snaps. As much as I loved the insane grip they had, I swapped them for some lighter and faster rolling Maxxis EXO/EXO+ tires ASAP and put the Vee Tires to the side for my (then) future eMTB.
@@EvansMTBSaga exactly how i felt when i swapped for a more trail tire set up. But the hardship of the heavy tire stood to me overall
great episode, I've been waiting for high / low. The specialized tires are great, I run them on a stump jumper but a butcher t7 on the back and a hillbilly t9 on the front, suits our conditions here in NZ
That sounds like a tire combo for UK winter, Is your part of NZ THAT wet?
Bro you’re Editing skills 🔥🔥🔥
Thanks 💯
My takeaways:
1. Buy solid tyres
2. Upgrade your brakes and discs
3. Use a chain guide for chunky tech
Great stuff Evan.
I have more fun on my budget aggressive hardtail than my expensive full sus
Evan, The oneup squeek is normal when new, all 3 of my sets did it, just Take them apart and put a smear of grease on the rubber seal, once they wear in they wont do anymore anyway.
When i spoke to oneup they are ment to come with a little grease but he said the factory dont do it.
I found some documentation that says to remove a certain rubber o-ring because its there to keep the seals in place during transport. I did it and they're working great.
As someone who's picky about what parts i like. I'll always either buy a frame and build it from there or get the lowest trim and swap parts.
That's the best way! And when you're ready to sell, install the stock parts and it's basically a new bike
Thx" Evan & Family. Keep up the good job ❤
this is basically the mtb version of donut media high low, i love it
Great video!
I’m rooting for low bike this time around!
I would love to see an Ingrid components groupset on the high bike
I'd love to try their stuff too, but the saga squad overwhelming voted for regular high end stuff instead of exotic. So drivetrain will be something like gx cable vs GX axs
@@EvansMTBSaga But it would be really nice to see you test it in the future
Those OneUp plastic pedals are fantastic. I’ve got those and a couple pairs of metal high end pedals and i prefer the plastic One Ups. Great grip and they’ve been extra durable.
They've grown on me quite a bit. They don't have the feeling of being actually glued to the pedals like the expensive ones when stationary. But when riding, I've yet to slip a pedal
If you want your feet to be glued to your pedals, you should try Magped pedals. I was a die-hard flats guy until I tried the Mag peds. I will never go back!
Im here for the specialized tires. Been using them for years.
The price is right.
I personally buy the lowest trim because I like to swap to the parts that I like most of the time the frame is the same. The only thing that changes is the components.
Do you like to swap shocks? That's been my hangup, I can't find a cheap build with a nice shock. And the shock sizing always seems to be wonky.
But I agree on building it up all custom like.
FYI. I am fairly certain that Shimano and Tekro use almost the same hydraulic fittings so you can just swap the lever and calliper and leave the hose. at least it worked when i did it
I can confirm. 😁
With current fork prices you could probably snag a Lyrik Ultimate for low bike, I've seen em on sale for $500 in a few places.
Ended up with a Lyrik Select+, but I'm gonna mention a deal like you just said
Back at it again
MTB capital of the world Is surely Portes Du Soleil, way larger areas and elevations
Never heard of it haha. How about nothing is the MTB capital
@@EvansMTBSaga haha I agree, ride wherever you want!
How would a tube statically deforming against the inside of your tire increase friction/rolling resistance between the tire and the ground? The tube doesn't move within the tire, and, if anything, the force it applies outward on the tire would resist deformation (thus decreasing rolling resistance by decreasing the size of the contact point).
I would encourage you to Google that
@@EvansMTBSaga is your curt-at-best "Google it" reply based on your lack of familiarity with the subject, your insecurity with having made unsupported claims, or just a generalized apathy towards your audience?
Regardless, having done so, it seems that there's a multitude of factors contributing to this, but none of what contributes to rolling resistance seems to be internal friction between tube and tire (intuitively). Rolling resistance is most prominently effected by tire pressure, weight, size, and rolling surface. Running tubeless usually accompanies running lower tire pressures which significantly increases rolling resistance except in the case of rough terrain. Tubeless systems do decrease weight (though less than expected considering the inclusion of liquid sealant in tubeless systems) and increase compliance which does proportionally decrease rolling resistance. On smooth, flat terrain it seems tubeless systems (when using the same tire) have reduced rolling resistance at the same tire pressures as systems with tubes. This circumstance (flat, smooth terrain) is not representative of MTB in general, though.
All in all, it seems as though tubeless does reduce rolling resistance in certain circumstances that likely change between sections of the same trail, and that the change to rolling resistance is not a significant factor in the tubes vs tubeless decision (specifically in MTB).
Great series bro! I recently purchased the salsa rustler deore for my 12 year old daughter’s first bike. I should’ve looked at the polygon t8 for the same price 🤦🏻♂️
I still haven’t actually received the bike as they are still building it. Do you think the salsa rustler deore will be a decent beginner bike?
I just want her to be safe and still have a good frame base to be able to upgrade when it’s the right time. Thank you!👍
So what happened with the One Up pedal? Rock stuck between the crank and pedal?
I'll show it in episode 2. But it's an o-ring that isn't needed
@@EvansMTBSaga ah cool, looking forward to it sir.
Chud vs. Chad. There are no winners here. Lol. Both bikes are heavy imo. My Rocky Instinct C30 w a heavy Deore group set, and DHF/DHR weighs 33 lbs. w pedals. Cool vid and production. This was a pretty ambitious comparison.
Thanks man. Why do you say Chad vs Chad?
As a T7 owner myself, yeah, the bike is heavy. But that's because of the components, specifically the wheels. Those Entity wheels are beefy! But this is just the first episode. They will shed a few pounds by the end of the series.
@@EvansMTBSaga Chud is a meme my teenage kids always use. Just kidding.
Why buy a bike you need to keep upgrading? It is more expensive, unless you have multiple bikes w compatible parts. That why you buy a bike for the frame. These alloy bikes will never get near 30 lbs. ,even if you hang carbon parts and XTR components on them.
That's pretty light for that build on the Instinct. My Altitude C70 with DH casing contis or EXO+ Maxxis and cushcore (I don't run cushcore on the Contis) is 34lbs
Should've run a Purgatory T7 in the rear, with the Eliminator T9 in the front.
The purgatory just got a redesign so they aren't on sale
The difference between an expensive one and a non expensive one is usually just the parts, the frames themselves are usually near enough the same price.
I think the Shimano Saint with the Long Pins are still the best option (or Rafe Face Atlas Pedals)
I have that same polygon and I put a stupid amount of high quality Parts on it it's pretty ridiculous but I love it
The joys of upgrading a budget/affordable bike. It's super fun to customize them. You should check out some of the deals on frames using 210x55 shocks. I saw some really good ones going for like $1000 on Pinkbike. Heck even a Status 140 with the rear shock was $419 a month ago
Awesome video! Thank you
just love it thanks Evan
I never clicked on a video this fast before
Whistler is definitely open already...and they don't get tornadoes that tear through events.
Yes but they are open for 5 months out of the year
Specialized tires are a fantastic choice even when not on sale. But at $40 you won't find a better option
I wouldn't pay full retail for them, they're decent, but at full price there are better tires out there. Vittora Mazza is probably the closest of the newer tires to the Butcher, but absolutely destroys it in performance while costing about the same at full retail. Conti Kryptotal front and the Assegai I think are still the top two front tires out there and its hair splitting between them. Conti Kryptotal rear is hands down the best rear tire on the market right now by a mile.
Quality is so good on the new ones!
On that deore derailluer, did you forget to turn on the clutch? Or did someone tweak with the clutch spring tension?
Turns out the chain was too long
I have to sit on a towel when i watch these videos
#moist
Evan, incredible work on this video man! Enjoyed every second! Season 2 is shaping up to be the best for sure 🤙
Evan remember I just commented saying I had to get stitches and you responded it was because the one up pedals I was using that sliced my shin I was wearing 5 10 also
Aw man which ones? Composite or aluminum
@@EvansMTBSaga the aluminum 😞
WOW you put some effort in the editing dude 🎉
Super nice quality🔥🔥
From Montreal Canada! Evan, your bringing back great MTB RUclips channels. Yours is the best. Keep up the great work!
As fun as the premise of this video was, I'm kinda disappointed that you didn't do an actual high/low comparison of trail tires. I would've opted for a set of Conti Kryptotal trail casing tires for high bike. The Vee Flow snaps are known for being a cheap DH tire that's pretty grippy but maybe not to the level of Maxxis, Conti, Schwalbe, Vittoria, etc.
That was the #1 complaint last season, I used different tires. So I get what you're saying, but with very tight budget restrictions, this is the best I could come up with
Light tires are great untill its wet, or you need a confidence.
yooo i came back to watching ur channel today
Pedals need some grease, I had the same noise when I first bought them
Hey Evan, how are the trails in Benton like after the tornado
Lots of trees down but I was able to ride yesterday
Is a trail bike the same as an all-mountain bike? Isn't the Eliminator an enduro tire, like their version of the DHR? Cause I ordered a T9 Grid Trail(not the gravity cause that's way too heavy at 300 grams more) 2 weeks ago to replace my wife's bikes DHF. Rear is that new Purgatory.
It does look like a DHF! I settled with it because they were $40. Ideally I'd be running a Purgatory in the rear but they're not on sale
There's a lot of overlap between trail and all mountain bikes. I'd normally consider a 130/140 bike to be a trail bike and a 150/160 bike like an Ibis Ripmo or Transition Sentinel to be all mountain bikes. I always thought the Butcher was the DHF clone, the Eliminator is more like their answer to the Dissector. Eliminator up front honestly sounds perfect for a trail bike and I'd run a heavier casing version of it as a rear on an enduro bike (well if I was buying Specialized tires, on my actual enduro bike I'm running DH casing Kryptotals).
@@mrvwbug4423 @EvansMTBSaga I saw the previous gen Purgatory on sale on their site. I think it a was $36. Butchers are also on sale, which looks real grippy as a front tire. Overkill cause we don't ride ridgeline and double trails too often. Huh, now that I look at it again, Eliminators looks like a mix of DHR & DHF, but with the DHR knob height.
Hey Evan! I got a set of those Tektro Orion 4p +2 on my DH bike, but I'm not sure if they're capable enough for actual downhill riding.. they are the exact same brakes you had on the High bike. What would you say?
For a DH bike, I'd say no way. 4 piston front and back is the only way for DH
@@EvansMTBSaga I'm selling the brakes and buying a set of used Saint brakes. Thanks for the feedback!
Tires weigh 1000 grams, you might just say they weight a kilo each for smaller numbers / simplicity. Amazing information overall, thanks very much :)
buy an aenomaly switch grade for the high bike you will love it
I was thinking about that one and titling it "Expensive Upgrades that make no sense". A little clickbaity, but I'd test it and find out if I like it haha