They didn't change it bc of the "lawsuit," it was leaked too early. It was a practice to see how skaters move on skates. They used that practice to make Xilonen's own move set
@@muhddanial3576 if you believe the girl would win the lawsuit. You're delusional. In the same video girl admitted to one fatal mistake "I don't own the dance" aka she don't have any patent on dance itself and anyone can use. Else mihoyo would be sued long ago for boothil Micheal Jackson dance
The girl herself said that she didn’t own the move in the first place. She wouldn’t even be able to sue hoyo since she doesn’t have copyrights. Now she can’t even complain since than that would mean she is relying on leaks.
I mean although she didn’t own the move, from the movements of the upper body to the hand gestures, it was still directly replicated from her, but still, I do find it dumb that someone would complain about this, it’s ultimately a dance in the end, you shouldn’t gain or lose anything, if anything it would be cool your little “dance” is immortalized in a game
she actually is going to sue them for using her video for their game and not crediting her or anything if they dont change her idle when she comes out.
Considering the girl said she'd sue once Xilonen released, man she better thank Hoyo for sparing her the chance. Not only would she have lost w her claim, Hoyo would have every opportunity to COUNTERSUE her for sharing leaks in her video lmao
@@pureilluzionbro it takes a lot of time to make an animation. They were most likely already making the new one before that dancer’s video and the old one was just a placeholder 😂 Do you know how hard it is to sue for a dance move of all things? Let alone one that she admitted wasn’t created by her. She had no chance
Also if she had sued in 80 countries like she claimed, she would have spent around 8 million dollars and assuming she won every case (which, she would have most likely lost every case), she’d have won about 4 million. There is no universe where she breaks even.
I like the old days when people just Laugh it off, and Flex how they are in something big to their friends, but now everything is, sue sue sue, money money dollar
Right? It's not even considered an honor to be inspired by anymore. It's not "ripped off" and those moves aren't owned by anyone?? And even if it is "ripped off", what would they get sued over? It's genuinely not that big of a deal
Rather have the opportunity to get money from it than be referenced in a video game I don’t care about. Not saying she should of sued or whatever but I wouldn’t blame her if she did lol
@@ethanjordan2707 eh, depends. Kinda hard to sue Hoyo, especially outside of China. Unless she can find a reasonable law to sue them over (that doesn't have any loopholes or excuses that Hoyo can use), she would lose more than she would gain
Fym, she can't. They tracked her exact movement lmao. While she doesn't "own tge dance" since these are just some basic roler spins, they literally tracked her movement without her concent. Istg hoyo d riders are wild
I mean she's against a big company, what can she even do lol. She didn't own the dance so Hoyo can easily shut her and the fact that the old one is a leak and a possible placeholder ain't helping her @@thatrandomguy7944
@@thatrandomguy7944The jump to conclusions is crazy did themselves tell you they did that they could have gotten someone to just perform it exactly like she did and also lack of proof so she couldn't sue and even if she did she would have lost immediately
Dude… what? Like what the person above me said! That was some of the best voice acting I’ve heard. At least in the games I’ve played. Props to Beth Curry. She suits Xilonen so well!
For real. She could have been a psuedo-celebrity and milked it, got tons of traffic for it. Some people can't see an obvious opportunity and instead nuke it to hell. Oh well, now everybody loses instead of everybody being happy and making money. Awesome!
If that girl is gonna sue, then every TikToker, who is made of an original dance or done a dance first on social media, should be able to sue every person who has used their dance. See that logic, that’s stupid talk. (I saw people saying that it’s about copy her movements. It’s a dance a popular dance use by many beginner skaters. she isn’t the first to do that dance nor she the first to do the dance the way she did it. She’s used as a reference and normally when people are trying to copy something, they are going to copy the reference to the best of their abilities. Either way her entire argument is stupid and the case will go no where.)
god, yall are so goofy. genshin players dont be brainrottes challenge:impossible. she said she didnt own the dance, which is EXACTLY WHY it's very weird that they copied her exact movement from even her hands. She wasn't suing on the basis that they "copied her dance", she was suing on the basis that they scanned, or used, her exact movements to animate xilonen.
@@panickingacrobat7138 she wouldn't have won for many reasons. Hoyo changed the idle because it was from the beta not because of her. They don't even know who she is nlr do they care.😊
No you'd be happy IF you got fame for it. A lot of people copy dances and then pretend they were never inspired by other people resulting in no fame for you/the dancer. While I'm on the fence about the whole situation. To play devil's advocate. If the situation was true in her favor. Yall need to remember people had to find her video which means hoyo would have never given you "oh so id feel proud people" nor her any credit and you'd be just as equally screaming into the void genshin was copying you as you'd still need to prove they copied you. That's what makes this situation messy regardless.
First of all, you can't sue someone for using a move, because it does not have copyright, she doesn't even own the move. Second, Hoyoverse can sue the girl because she used a leak in her video. It's amazing how we have to explain this in 2024.
Me trying to sound smart IJBOL let hoyo and the girl handle the problems on their owns stop trying to be involved in someone business Can't believe I have to explain this in 2024
she wasn’t suing for the move but specifically them copying her exact body movements which was proven to be 95% exact minus the early finish compared to the original be mad hoyo caved in
If you look closely, the new animation has more fluidity in its movements, they don't look as rigid as in the first version, the tail, ears and fingers also give it more rhythm in the new animation.
They did it so that that one girl won't sue lmao Edit: Everyone thinks I'm lacking information or smt. I know she doesn't own the dance (which she said herself) but she still said she would sue if they don't change it because they copied her hand movements and that's what I'm talking about 💀 And literally a lot of the other comments are also talking about the girl who wants to sue
So after seeing it for a few times the new one does look pretty nice. It's a bit more fluid I think, and there's a lot more motion in her outfit and tail. The one thing I'd criticise is that in the old one it looks a lot smoother and natural when she stops the spin, but maybe that's just the angle. I think the new one is better overall, but I'm just so used to the old one after seeing it so many times already, so that's probably the reason I was a bit disappointed at first
Hoyo didn’t change it because of the law suit, it’s because during testing animators will copy existing moves to a 1:1 ratio trying to get the general idea and then add their own touches or cut out some parts
Also is it just me or is the idea of suing a multimillion company rlly stupid? Especially if it’s based off a leak, the way I see it the woman could have handled it a lot better by doing a reaction video instead of trying to sue Hoyo because of an unofficial leak and the moves weren’t even original either 😭 At the very least before suing someone she could have at least done some research
So, for others who dont know, that one girl who was shown to do the same move as Xilonen, saw how popular it got, and how the edit someone made looks very similar to her, so in her little mind, she didn't think of speaking to a lawyer before hand and thought it would be a good idea to sue hoyo in 80 countries. If she does proceed with it, it will only get her in several legal and financial problems. Because she said right at the start of her own video, that she doesn't own the move, so she basically lost the trail before it even started.
You tube keeps getting rid of my comment and replacing it with the two emojis i used, so i will try and sum this up. She didn't make the dance nor does she own it, Genshin however did copy her every move, but that does not mean that they motion tracked her or that they would even be able to get sued. This original commenter is very rude for calling her dumb, Cuz she's not. Not everyone can afford to learn "law" (which you don't even understand yourself) and no one wants to be used and not credited/paid. she might have sped up the video at the end to match up with the spin, but the rest of the dance hoyo directly copied. either through motion capture, or hand 3D-Animation. and to the person calling me dumb using curs words in their comment and just hating me for no reason, you should find something better to live for, I hope the best for you! also thank you to: JustRigelfr, moon-ww6qt and $0M€ŤHīŃĞ, even though $0M€ŤHīŃĞ was... yeah. but still thank you all for the help.
@@panickingacrobat7138I doubt they motion tracked her movements, + in court there’d be little evidence to back it up except for the idle animation, hoyo most likely changed it to stop further dramas because there has been ALOT surrounding natlan. (An artist got sent death threats for making an art that had samoan culture wrong if I recall) so it’s pretty understandable they don’t want more dramas or controversy.
Kalau pada diriku gayaku di tiru di dalam game aku pasti sangat bangga, tidak sedikitpun inggin menuntut apa apa malahan pengen mencari inspirasi lagi gaya untuk kedepanya, sebenarnya bukan pemilik tarinya yg keberatan tapi pandom game saingan hoyo yg mengungkit hak cipta tp ini sudah baguslah hoyo dari pada ada drama yg tidak ada gunanya
The old one looks better because she looks like she's doing modern skate dancing. But in a fantasy world with no skates, it makes sense she isn't a professional skater while being the only skater in the world
The fact that people were talking about this move being stolen from some video is just madness. If you wear skates and do a spin and skate backwards, this is just how you move, with rhythm. Is it stealing to just walk down the street with a bounce in your step? Some people are so completely out of their minds. And we know who these people are.
Honestly the new one feels so wrong now because dancers put their hand near their hair to put their hand/long hair side and now that she's not doing that I'm like Your done. Also because putting your hand to your side near your torso is to prevent falling or hitting someone/something.
According to genshin twitter community.. I should sue hoyoverse for being alive and able to move.. Since hoyoverse characters copying my breathing, walking, and being existed
she wasn’t suing for the move but specifically them copying her exact body movements which was proven to be 95% exact minus the early finish compared to the original be mad hoyo caved in
for people that don't know: it's been recently surfaced that Xilonen's idle is a "copy" of a dance skater Oumi Janta posted. thing is; it's a beginner dance in the skating community since the 70's, when Janta found this out she made a response saying that if Hoyo didn't change it she'll pursue legal action, even though she doesn't own the dance herself (which she even says in her response) but just like another commenter said Hoyo basically traces over Janta's body for the dance, as although the video of Janta dancing was cut and sped up/slowed down the body placements on Xilonen were the same. So she could pursue legal for the tracing but the dance itself she couldn't as that's public domain.
They didn't copy shit lmao, it's a basic move the people just wanted the character to be black so they found a black girl that does the dance and said that's her 🤡🤡🤡
That's not how it works. To begin with, their movements aren't even the same. Once they have to be edited to almost match, they're completely different. Regarding body tracking, that doesn't apply either. You can't make a video from one angle imitate all the details of the body in motion. Also, their video doesn't give them any rights to body tracing because they didn't record it. They only appear doing things. They don't have any values with which to demonstrate and compare the alleged theft. I hope the reason for the change is different
it wasnt "surfaced" . its called random nobody who saw a similar dance thought she was traced and wanted to cry wolf and claim royalties over moves that werent even hers. she didnt even know this damn game existed
The core problem with the old one is body-tracing . While the move and the vid are public domain by default , the only property left was her own body virtualized then traced . That is a privacy violation according to international law . It's a grey area but i think i sum it quite well . But yeah i like the old one , and this is why you don't show your body , your property the most sacred one to the net .
the fact that it takes a long time to animate a dance movement it was prob just a placeholder for them to do the actual og animation, they couldnt have animated a new one this fast
@@an_polthe dance wasnt even hers to begin with, its legit one of THE MOST COMMON moves skaters use when they wanna do a little dance, like seriously most ppl who skate do this
There wasn't even any body tracing. The dance is a really common roller skate dance that the woman didn't own and the body movements doesn't even resemble the video that much
Correct me if I'm wrong...but does that popular move involve even the same hand movements as the tiktoker or just the leg movements alone is the same ?...cuz hoyo just changed the hand movements a bit and that's it
that girl literally sold herself the moment she said she doesn't own the move, like there's NO chance you're winning anything after literally admitting to not owning something you claim someone has stolen from you lmao. her suing hoyo is gonna be her death wish
Tbh I don't see that much of a difference (besides some leg movements and her stopping facing a different direction), if that's enough for the girl not to pursue legal action, I am happy that everyone's happy.
She could tho😂 And potentially win because it’s 1 to 1 copy/paste😭 You idiots are defending a billion dollar company like you’re on their payroll and still losing all your 50/50s🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
NOOOOO! The way she put her skates away in the old one was so much smoother for me. I legit don’t want to pull anymore. I’ve been vibing from how she put her skates away for weeks 😭😭😭
@@Callieplysgamesshe didn't even have the copyright to this dance, and probably just decided to cash in on the coincidence. I hate this. The last dance was so graceful
@@Callieplysgames as a fellow blader, girl does not own the dance, coming from a person who has been skating for a long time, this dance has been popular for a while
Tbh, if I were her I'd be so hyped if a huge company like Hoyo were to have used my moves as a reference. Plus, she doesn't own the move anyway, so... Give us back the old one.
The choreography is very likely hers which she can sue for. I study law, I am correct. I dont think anyone should be proud of being included in a game made by a racist company.
Law or not, morality still stands. Being right or wrong on a legal technicality doesn't justify an action either. If you went to law school, you should know that there are no absolute, only the winners matter.
no, not really MHY changed this way before the girl even came up with her bullshit it doesnt really have anything to do with her at all, these animations aren't done in 5mins, and you can notice how the new one has a lot more detail in the movements, even the tail MHY has had these chages done already, and the new animations being on miscellany, webpage and stream prove that, since all those things are prepared with plenty of time
she wasn’t suing for the move but specifically them copying her exact body movements which was proven to be 95% exact minus the early finish compared to the original be mad hoyo caved in and last I checked your not making money fir breathing so
@@HadesCouture bro i mean if you use the same move as the other person, then obviously it will fell the same body movemnt. At the end, its a dance step.
Despite the oh so scuttle changes to the dance, I like the new one better. There’s slightly more upbeat energy behind each step and the finish is satisfying to look at as well
she said she was going to sue because the movements look eerily similar to hers it doesnt mean she owns the dance but it could mean they motion tracked her or copied her movements down to the frame, if you compare the two videos their movements look identical idk abt her winning but if you were motion tracked w/out consent that could be a liable reason
@@chutachups This make sense, but firstly no proof and second this is possible without being motion tracked so she would have lost anyway, I understand they probably just didn't want drama, but anyway idk the girl but from the look of it she doesn't seem that smart 🥲
@@El_chara Is there any other idle animations have changed? No other than the cpt idles like amber But xilonen dance exploded with the just dance song and edit And the trend arrived to a girl who people recognise her dance with xilonen And because it's a leak She can't File a lawsuit against Genshin Soooooooo Hoyo changed it really fast because The official version is still a few days away Just Changed the End of rotation to the other side And there is a difference in which hand is raised and which hand is lowered to her thigh And when she spining her hands were raised and her hands were now facing down so make it doesn't look like that girl anymore
My first thought is, "Why would they change it?" But, now i realize why would she try to Sue when she doesn't even know what the move is called or better yet don't own the move or better yet not the owner of Jam skating.
I feel like everyone in the comments isnt comprehending that she wasnt suing bc it was her dance, she was suing for the identical handwork and timing (which is not apart of the dance), meaning that she would be a direct reference rather that the dance itself. Thats why its mostly the handwork was changed, not the footwork. She was admitting the style of footwork and wasn’t her own, however the direct timing and handwork was.
95% of the genshin community have smooth brains you can see it from this comment section, most of them probably didn’t even watched her video or anyone explaining what’s going on
But you don't get it, genshin players don't want to understand the law they're just mad that anything changed because they somehow develop nostalgia for stuff that aren't even meant to be released, I swear it's gonna be the fucking emily "original design" thing again but with a fucking idle animation, it's so stupid
@@broken4460 watched it. There's multiple cuts here and there. Aside from a single hand position for barely 1/3rd of a second none other movements is an exact copy let alone "99% same". An arm being the same way as her is nothing more than coincidence or at worse an inspiration. What she is talking about being a direct motion copy, which is definitely not true.
They didn't copy shit lmao, it's a basic move the people just wanted the character to be black so they found a black girl that does the dance and said that's her 🤡🤡🤡
If someone is wondering, it's true that the girl won't win the court case. But in other side hoyo is avoiding social backlash from players. (More so that the girl is dark skinned, and it may cause an accusation of hoyo being racist by fighting the girl in court etc etc)
The lady said that she’ll sue them if they *COPY AND USED HER MOTIONS IN THE VIDEO. SHE ALSO CLARIFIED THAT SHE WAS FINE WITH THEM having the inspiration from her, since the dance is common around.* For goodness sake, read her statement again!
Leave genshin developers alone it's not copyright and it's a free-use dance. Haters hate because they'll never understand and that's because they are immature and can't accept that Genshin is profiting legally and they don't have an excuse to hate.
@@stayheat Why the fuck not? Honestly - why not? Video games have been "copying" online dances for literally _decades._ It's a fun easter egg for fans to find the references, and a nod to whoever did the dance to immortalize them in game. This was just pointless Twitter level outrage from her for no reason. Art references other artists all the goddamn time. Only the true assholes throw hissy fits over it.
The Genshin community is hated for a reason. Combine the internet with weebs and children and you have the perfect combination for an overreacting toxic environment.
They didn't need to ask her. The dance isn't owned by anyone and, despite what she's claiming, they didn't copy her movement, so they didn't need to ask her permission
I wonder if genshin even changed it over her or what, but she wasn't going to sue over the dance she was going to sue after potential body scanning or a direct copy of her exact movements... But the the new one looks a lot more fluid and her tail looks so much better, and I like tails and ears on characters so better tail is good.
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I like the old one better, because she suits her tired cat personality. While the other just vibin in her own world
Same
but Shilonen is not a tired cat at all, she is just an energetic rapper.
it's because the other one was 100% modeled and a copy of a girl who's a professional at this dance and had her own moves and they gave no credit
@@Dro2pI wouldn't say energetic
Yea but if they can’t give credit they can’t use it
They didn't change it bc of the "lawsuit," it was leaked too early. It was a practice to see how skaters move on skates. They used that practice to make Xilonen's own move set
@Furina4ever-i3i doesn't seem slower
Do you work at Hoyo to know that for sure or where did you CONFIRMED this info?
@@RenHeng_canonliterally there is video online that said girl Sue the move
@@muhddanial3576 if you believe the girl would win the lawsuit. You're delusional. In the same video girl admitted to one fatal mistake "I don't own the dance" aka she don't have any patent on dance itself and anyone can use. Else mihoyo would be sued long ago for boothil Micheal Jackson dance
@@muhddanial3576wow I'm sure that video used only verified sources and their info is 100% reliable 😂
The girl herself said that she didn’t own the move in the first place. She wouldn’t even be able to sue hoyo since she doesn’t have copyrights. Now she can’t even complain since than that would mean she is relying on leaks.
That's the dumbest thing I ever seen anyone say for their 5 min of fame.
She would do legal action if xilonen already out
I mean although she didn’t own the move, from the movements of the upper body to the hand gestures, it was still directly replicated from her, but still, I do find it dumb that someone would complain about this, it’s ultimately a dance in the end, you shouldn’t gain or lose anything, if anything it would be cool your little “dance” is immortalized in a game
Bet you one of the guy who said tof copy genshin,wuwa copy genshin,how hypocritical dont you think?
she actually is going to sue them for using her video for their game and not crediting her or anything if they dont change her idle when she comes out.
you mean Michael Jackson will sue me if I try Moonwalking
even isn´t original from Michael
He’ll rise from the grave solely to take your ass to court 😂😂
@@twintails8221 Yikes 😬
@@twintails8221
“Why do I hear ‘Thriller’ in the distance?” 🤣
@@natetheknight2809 damn, thank you very much. Now that song is stuck in my head😂😂
Considering the girl said she'd sue once Xilonen released, man she better thank Hoyo for sparing her the chance. Not only would she have lost w her claim, Hoyo would have every opportunity to COUNTERSUE her for sharing leaks in her video lmao
Real 😂
Hoyo would never sue a brainless gold digger 😂
💀💀💀
Def wouldn't have lost/or would've made them settle, that's why they changed it LOL
@@pureilluzionbro it takes a lot of time to make an animation. They were most likely already making the new one before that dancer’s video and the old one was just a placeholder 😂 Do you know how hard it is to sue for a dance move of all things? Let alone one that she admitted wasn’t created by her. She had no chance
i realized i can sue hoyo too for making zhongli sipping the tea the way i always do it in the morning
The whole British population is coming for hoyo now that you’ve mentioned tea 😂😂😂😂😂
funny enough China had tea way before the British
@@Retronyx well then, we still coming 🤔😂
@@Retronyx suprising enough, maby it's because they invented it hmm
@@Retronyx oh wow, I actually didn't know that for some reason
I like the old one better, but that doesn't mean i dislike the newer one no no no. I like it too
I like both of them I can’t choose 😣
Honestly, I can’t even tell the difference
@@ft.jackjimmy7282 the end spin is a bit different and there's a some move that newer one skipped from the old one
I too like both, but i do prefer the ending hand placement on the original one
First one copying the tiktoker girl’s hand moves so they changed it
Her : i dont own the dance
Judge : get tf out of my court
So original
Also if she had sued in 80 countries like she claimed, she would have spent around 8 million dollars and assuming she won every case (which, she would have most likely lost every case), she’d have won about 4 million. There is no universe where she breaks even.
Xilonen can walk on walls too. Can't wait for some wall climber to sue her ☠️
😂
I wonder if she will work in other nations too, not only in Natlan like the past 2.
@rzor1911 the switching thing absolutely not, but idk about riding up the wall or smth. We'll see
@@BlueNecromancer-Blue- Let me know if you pull for her, my gf is the one who is interested
@rzor1911 got it, ofc I will. Without any doubts hehe, she looks amazing
I like the old days when people just Laugh it off, and Flex how they are in something big to their friends, but now everything is, sue sue sue, money money dollar
Right?
It's not even considered an honor to be inspired by anymore. It's not "ripped off" and those moves aren't owned by anyone?? And even if it is "ripped off", what would they get sued over? It's genuinely not that big of a deal
Well not everything is gonna be the same 🤷♀️
Modern Civilization
Sue, Sued, $
Rather have the opportunity to get money from it than be referenced in a video game I don’t care about. Not saying she should of sued or whatever but I wouldn’t blame her if she did lol
@@ethanjordan2707 eh, depends. Kinda hard to sue Hoyo, especially outside of China. Unless she can find a reasonable law to sue them over (that doesn't have any loopholes or excuses that Hoyo can use), she would lose more than she would gain
That didnt even have a solid argument for her to sue! They should have kept the old one...
It’s because they made the decision it doesn’t suit her personality
it looks good ig hoyo dosent care about twerps it was beta things change
They shouldn't
And the dance Xilonen did before is not even released officially so she already lose before the trial began
No, it takes a long time to animate and they’ve been working on it probably before this ever happened the old one was just a placeholder
who threatened to sue?
should i sue them for copying me how to walk?
Good troll. 😂
it looks good ig hoyo dosent care about twerps it was beta things change
Lol😂
I may have to sue hoyo for copying how i shake my head while listening to music...like cmon man who ever did this.
Which genshin character walks like u?
she cant even sue them tho 😭😭 but still the animations beautiful
Fym, she can't. They tracked her exact movement lmao. While she doesn't "own tge dance" since these are just some basic roler spins, they literally tracked her movement without her concent. Istg hoyo d riders are wild
I mean she's against a big company, what can she even do lol. She didn't own the dance so Hoyo can easily shut her and the fact that the old one is a leak and a possible placeholder ain't helping her @@thatrandomguy7944
@@thatrandomguy7944yes but that’s also from a leak
@@thatrandomguy7944The jump to conclusions is crazy did themselves tell you they did that they could have gotten someone to just perform it exactly like she did and also lack of proof so she couldn't sue and even if she did she would have lost immediately
@hydrondragon9850 have we both seen the intial movement, are you even trying to be fr
Still can't believe that people were hating on the VA she did a perfect job depicting a lazy cat girl and she looks so fun to play and explore with
why were people hating on the VA??
@@imcsbc they said it sounded like a e girl I think
@@Mc_klee_donald and ororon sounds like an eboy, i don’t see the problem? xilonen is a DJ, i think it suits her character if anything
THEY HATED ON THE VA???
Xilonen’s voice is genuinely the best voice acting imo, she speaks so naturally and it fits her personality so well 😭
Dude… what? Like what the person above me said! That was some of the best voice acting I’ve heard. At least in the games I’ve played. Props to Beth Curry. She suits Xilonen so well!
If only she went with the flow and fame it gives her, now ppl just hate her for it
Thats the fate of a clown. Theyre meant to be laughed at, not with.
For real. She could have been a psuedo-celebrity and milked it, got tons of traffic for it. Some people can't see an obvious opportunity and instead nuke it to hell. Oh well, now everybody loses instead of everybody being happy and making money. Awesome!
If that girl is gonna sue, then every TikToker, who is made of an original dance or done a dance first on social media, should be able to sue every person who has used their dance. See that logic, that’s stupid talk.
(I saw people saying that it’s about copy her movements. It’s a dance a popular dance use by many beginner skaters. she isn’t the first to do that dance nor she the first to do the dance the way she did it. She’s used as a reference and normally when people are trying to copy something, they are going to copy the reference to the best of their abilities. Either way her entire argument is stupid and the case will go no where.)
god, yall are so goofy. genshin players dont be brainrottes challenge:impossible.
she said she didnt own the dance, which is EXACTLY WHY it's very weird that they copied her exact movement from even her hands. She wasn't suing on the basis that they "copied her dance", she was suing on the basis that they scanned, or used, her exact movements to animate xilonen.
People Vs Company, thats the issue.
@@arturintete2461 I'm very sure that some other company's do the same
@@arturintete2461 and u talk like a reddit user
@@akishiro1 please feel free to give me the name of the companies which you are "very sure" do the same. Children are so funny.
Not sued, still coolest idle
Even if she tried I’m sure she would have lost
People have won cases like that so you never know :/ but probably.
better for hoyo to not take the risk!
@@panickingacrobat7138if walking is copyrighted, then just crawl until someone copyright it as well until you just roll around.
@@panickingacrobat7138nah but her arguments were so bad, she even lost it when she said she doesn’t own it. Else the judge is just rigged
@@panickingacrobat7138 she wouldn't have won for many reasons. Hoyo changed the idle because it was from the beta not because of her. They don't even know who she is nlr do they care.😊
I would be happy if someone use my dance for genshin animation
Right I’d make a whole video about it 😭
I was thinking the same thing! It would even rise her popularity as the one from the dance... now she is the "wanna-be" that just ruined something :/
No you'd be happy IF you got fame for it.
A lot of people copy dances and then pretend they were never inspired by other people resulting in no fame for you/the dancer.
While I'm on the fence about the whole situation.
To play devil's advocate.
If the situation was true in her favor.
Yall need to remember people had to find her video which means hoyo would have never given you "oh so id feel proud people" nor her any credit and you'd be just as equally screaming into the void genshin was copying you as you'd still need to prove they copied you.
That's what makes this situation messy regardless.
@@Gnowimasteryou can’t be be the wannabe when the shill has to use her as reference.
Go bathe stray mutt😂😂😂😂
@@sasori2425 not everyone wants fame, grow up 💀
men the old one is what got me hooked on liking her cuz it's sooo smooth, new one is okay ig
Ik right?Left one is also smoother for me,idk maybe the final version will be better
It’s the same shit y’all are dragging it
@@HadesCouturelearn to look at the details.
The old one had more rhythm and actually dance. New one looks like she’s about to do a dance then stops halfway
Agreed. It's kind of awkward without the commitment.
Bro you didn't had to do xilonen dirty like this 😂
Old one doesn't really suit her personality. Probably why MHY changed it.
First of all, you can't sue someone for using a move, because it does not have copyright, she doesn't even own the move. Second, Hoyoverse can sue the girl because she used a leak in her video. It's amazing how we have to explain this in 2024.
Me trying to sound smart IJBOL let hoyo and the girl handle the problems on their owns stop trying to be involved in someone business
Can't believe I have to explain this in 2024
Wtf are you talking about???
she wasn’t suing for the move but specifically them copying her exact body movements which was proven to be 95% exact minus the early finish compared to the original be mad hoyo caved in
@@HadesCouture You can't sue for copyright something that doesn't have copyright to begin with.
@@TV-MA.x_x. Looks like you are the only one having problems reading this!
If you look closely, the new animation has more fluidity in its movements, they don't look as rigid as in the first version, the tail, ears and fingers also give it more rhythm in the new animation.
Finally a comment not talking about a girl suing!!!! Thank you, you are my savior.
@@nahhitsnotnys Uhm, she literally made a post about suing them? Look it up dude.
No hate btw
Yeah, I notice the upgraded details the only thing I like about the old one is the ending.
@@meisterl0the ending is what sold me about the new one
They did it so that that one girl won't sue lmao
Edit: Everyone thinks I'm lacking information or smt. I know she doesn't own the dance (which she said herself) but she still said she would sue if they don't change it because they copied her hand movements and that's what I'm talking about 💀
And literally a lot of the other comments are also talking about the girl who wants to sue
She couldn't sue shit because in a video she clearly stated that she didn't own the dance but she would still try to sue anyway
She lost the law suit before it even began when she said she didn't own the dance
That's a pretty common move in skating you what are you terminally online?
Considering how long it takes to animate things like this they were always planning to change the idle animation to this
Bruh she doesn't own the dance it wasn't even here it's a really old dance from back when people did a lot of roller skating
Aww mihoyo is actually saving the face of that sad girl with this one. How nice of them
I like the Old version ending turn. It looks sophisticated and swag.
So after seeing it for a few times the new one does look pretty nice. It's a bit more fluid I think, and there's a lot more motion in her outfit and tail. The one thing I'd criticise is that in the old one it looks a lot smoother and natural when she stops the spin, but maybe that's just the angle.
I think the new one is better overall, but I'm just so used to the old one after seeing it so many times already, so that's probably the reason I was a bit disappointed at first
the way she ended her spin for the new one is so cool though !
it looks good ig hoyo dosent care about twerps it was beta things change
@@doubleplays-sn6ujyeah maybe they used the girls video as a reference and then changed it to be smoother
@@Light.Of.Kshahrewar2.0 But it doesn't look smoother honestly..
@@SashaKoski Alright I guess the extra movements of her tail doesn't exist mb I guess I watched it with my eyes closed
@@SashaKoski It does 😂
The older one is SO rigid when compared to the newer one.
I like both versions! I love the spinning and can imagine it being lots of fun!
Hoyo didn’t change it because of the law suit, it’s because during testing animators will copy existing moves to a 1:1 ratio trying to get the general idea and then add their own touches or cut out some parts
Also is it just me or is the idea of suing a multimillion company rlly stupid? Especially if it’s based off a leak, the way I see it the woman could have handled it a lot better by doing a reaction video instead of trying to sue Hoyo because of an unofficial leak and the moves weren’t even original either 😭 At the very least before suing someone she could have at least done some research
the old one was so cute, i loved the end part especially
People forget that the leaks are still “leaks” it isn’t official and isn’t even out of public use. Literally placeholders and testings.
Old one is much more flowy, they should've kept it! Besides she can't sue hoyo cuz the moves aren't hers
So, for others who dont know, that one girl who was shown to do the same move as Xilonen, saw how popular it got, and how the edit someone made looks very similar to her, so in her little mind, she didn't think of speaking to a lawyer before hand and thought it would be a good idea to sue hoyo in 80 countries.
If she does proceed with it, it will only get her in several legal and financial problems. Because she said right at the start of her own video, that she doesn't own the move, so she basically lost the trail before it even started.
it's from a movie before the video
You tube keeps getting rid of my comment and replacing it with the two emojis i used, so i will try and sum this up. She didn't make the dance nor does she own it, Genshin however did copy her every move, but that does not mean that they motion tracked her or that they would even be able to get sued. This original commenter is very rude for calling her dumb, Cuz she's not. Not everyone can afford to learn "law" (which you don't even understand yourself) and no one wants to be used and not credited/paid. she might have sped up the video at the end to match up with the spin, but the rest of the dance hoyo directly copied. either through motion capture, or hand 3D-Animation.
and to the person calling me dumb using curs words in their comment and just hating me for no reason, you should find something better to live for, I hope the best for you! also thank you to: JustRigelfr, moon-ww6qt
and $0M€ŤHīŃĞ, even though $0M€ŤHīŃĞ was... yeah. but still thank you all for the help.
@@panickingacrobat7138how was the commenter belittling someone?
“In her little mind”
it was unnecessary and blatantly rude. They don’t even know her.
@@panickingacrobat7138I doubt they motion tracked her movements, + in court there’d be little evidence to back it up except for the idle animation, hoyo most likely changed it to stop further dramas because there has been ALOT surrounding natlan. (An artist got sent death threats for making an art that had samoan culture wrong if I recall) so it’s pretty understandable they don’t want more dramas or controversy.
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"BUT JUDGE SHE WALKS THE SAME I DO"
I agree with the others. The older was better, but the dofference is minimal and the new one is fun too.
Kalau pada diriku gayaku di tiru di dalam game aku pasti sangat bangga, tidak sedikitpun inggin menuntut apa apa malahan pengen mencari inspirasi lagi gaya untuk kedepanya, sebenarnya bukan pemilik tarinya yg keberatan tapi pandom game saingan hoyo yg mengungkit hak cipta tp ini sudah baguslah hoyo dari pada ada drama yg tidak ada gunanya
I like the new one bc the tail is more active
it looks good ig hoyo dosent care about twerps it was beta things change
Every breakdancers are now on their way to sue the children of echoes for breakdancing the way they do
I think it suits her personality more, if you listen to her voice lines, she kind of sound like she's gonna fall over any second
I really like the old idle animation 😢
The first one was kinda iconic ngl😔
It’s the same shit
The old one looks more captivating tho ☹️
The old one looks better because she looks like she's doing modern skate dancing. But in a fantasy world with no skates, it makes sense she isn't a professional skater while being the only skater in the world
The fact that people were talking about this move being stolen from some video is just madness. If you wear skates and do a spin and skate backwards, this is just how you move, with rhythm. Is it stealing to just walk down the street with a bounce in your step? Some people are so completely out of their minds. And we know who these people are.
Honestly the new one feels so wrong now because dancers put their hand near their hair to put their hand/long hair side and now that she's not doing that I'm like Your done. Also because putting your hand to your side near your torso is to prevent falling or hitting someone/something.
According to genshin twitter community.. I should sue hoyoverse for being alive and able to move.. Since hoyoverse characters copying my breathing, walking, and being existed
That's different ijbol stop trying to sound smart
@@bbicloiie that's literally like it
cry over it weeb, it worked
Womp womp
she wasn’t suing for the move but specifically them copying her exact body movements which was proven to be 95% exact minus the early finish compared to the original be mad hoyo caved in
That girl was sueing for deathass no reason 💀
I’m so glad they got the spotting on her turn! Balance is important
they’re both so pretty
for people that don't know:
it's been recently surfaced that Xilonen's idle is a "copy" of a dance skater Oumi Janta posted. thing is; it's a beginner dance in the skating community since the 70's, when Janta found this out she made a response saying that if Hoyo didn't change it she'll pursue legal action, even though she doesn't own the dance herself (which she even says in her response) but just like another commenter said Hoyo basically traces over Janta's body for the dance, as although the video of Janta dancing was cut and sped up/slowed down the body placements on Xilonen were the same. So she could pursue legal for the tracing but the dance itself she couldn't as that's public domain.
They didn't copy shit lmao, it's a basic move the people just wanted the character to be black so they found a black girl that does the dance and said that's her 🤡🤡🤡
That's not how it works. To begin with, their movements aren't even the same. Once they have to be edited to almost match, they're completely different. Regarding body tracking, that doesn't apply either. You can't make a video from one angle imitate all the details of the body in motion. Also, their video doesn't give them any rights to body tracing because they didn't record it. They only appear doing things. They don't have any values with which to demonstrate and compare the alleged theft.
I hope the reason for the change is different
☠️if she sue mihoyo that the biggest mistake she say she doesn't own the move so what the point here 🐧
it wasnt "surfaced" . its called random nobody who saw a similar dance thought she was traced and wanted to cry wolf and claim royalties over moves that werent even hers. she didnt even know this damn game existed
The core problem with the old one is body-tracing . While the move and the vid are public domain by default , the only property left was her own body virtualized then traced . That is a privacy violation according to international law .
It's a grey area but i think i sum it quite well . But yeah i like the old one , and this is why you don't show your body , your property the most sacred one to the net .
The og onw was actually the same as a tiktokers ao tjey probably changed it to avoid legal trouble
the fact that it takes a long time to animate a dance movement it was prob just a placeholder for them to do the actual og animation, they couldnt have animated a new one this fast
@@an_polthe dance wasnt even hers to begin with, its legit one of THE MOST COMMON moves skaters use when they wanna do a little dance, like seriously most ppl who skate do this
There wasn't even any body tracing. The dance is a really common roller skate dance that the woman didn't own and the body movements doesn't even resemble the video that much
Correct me if I'm wrong...but does that popular move involve even the same hand movements as the tiktoker or just the leg movements alone is the same ?...cuz hoyo just changed the hand movements a bit and that's it
I'm glad they changed it to avoid any more controversy surrounding Natlan lol. Glad that the new one still looks good
Now we know capitano's type... A cat girl.
that girl literally sold herself the moment she said she doesn't own the move, like there's NO chance you're winning anything after literally admitting to not owning something you claim someone has stolen from you lmao. her suing hoyo is gonna be her death wish
I like the old one more
newer is better
it looks good ig hoyo dosent care about twerps it was beta things change
@@doubleplays-sn6ujbuddy, u been spamming these same reply everywhere, it’s not that deep
Me too. And she had a little "hip" in the old one which they took out in the newer one 😫
Because you got used to it. That is why
Tbh I don't see that much of a difference (besides some leg movements and her stopping facing a different direction), if that's enough for the girl not to pursue legal action, I am happy that everyone's happy.
That girl cant even sue sht 😂 she dont own the move this is pure comedy
She could tho😂
And potentially win because it’s 1 to 1 copy/paste😭
You idiots are defending a billion dollar company like you’re on their payroll and still losing all your 50/50s🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Cry
The new one looks like she got caught up in the action, like when sometimes you spin, spin and spin. Looks good too
Man the old one just looks so much better it's not even close
NOOOOO! The way she put her skates away in the old one was so much smoother for me. I legit don’t want to pull anymore. I’ve been vibing from how she put her skates away for weeks 😭😭😭
It was really cute but sadly it was almost 90% copied off of a skate dancer! I’m glad they changed it to avoid getting sued :)
@@Callieplysgamesthey already won before she even sue💀 she stated that she doesn't own it, already a big lost right away
It looks the same imo
@@Callieplysgamesshe didn't even have the copyright to this dance, and probably just decided to cash in on the coincidence. I hate this. The last dance was so graceful
@@Callieplysgames as a fellow blader, girl does not own the dance, coming from a person who has been skating for a long time, this dance has been popular for a while
Idk why everyone is freaking out it still looks good?
It looks like shit
Someone on tik tok dance like her so they want to sue mihoyo even she didn't own the move ☠️
@@31vothanhtuan38she can’t sue the whole company?😭🙏
people whine about anything fr
@@31vothanhtuan38the op alr knows that. They meant why are ppl not happy with the new one it looks nice.
Tbh, if I were her I'd be so hyped if a huge company like Hoyo were to have used my moves as a reference.
Plus, she doesn't own the move anyway, so... Give us back the old one.
The choreography is very likely hers which she can sue for. I study law, I am correct. I dont think anyone should be proud of being included in a game made by a racist company.
Law or not, morality still stands. Being right or wrong on a legal technicality doesn't justify an action either. If you went to law school, you should know that there are no absolute, only the winners matter.
@@RBluKusaBuerThen what if i did?
@@notastra dont talk when the adults are communicating. Grow up
@@RBluKusaBuer nah it's a genuine question sir, kids allowed to ask because they know little, now answer.
Just Dance just became Xilonen's official theme
They put more style on it, it looks much better, I say. 😮
The official 5.1 trailer already show the new dance for Xilonen
it looks good ig hoyo dosent care about twerps it was beta things change
This is basically a middle finger from Hoyo.
They changed it just enough to basically shutting her up.
Or it just looks better and the dance was originally just a placeholder, cuz you know, leaks aren't final
@@El_chara Nah
@@El_chara looks better? debatable
no, not really
MHY changed this way before the girl even came up with her bullshit
it doesnt really have anything to do with her at all, these animations aren't done in 5mins, and you can notice how the new one has a lot more detail in the movements, even the tail
MHY has had these chages done already, and the new animations being on miscellany, webpage and stream prove that, since all those things are prepared with plenty of time
she still won tho
I just realised that i can sue the hoyo games copying the way i breath.
she wasn’t suing for the move but specifically them copying her exact body movements which was proven to be 95% exact minus the early finish compared to the original be mad hoyo caved in and last I checked your not making money fir breathing so
@@HadesCouture bro i mean if you use the same move as the other person, then obviously it will fell the same body movemnt. At the end, its a dance step.
Despite the oh so scuttle changes to the dance, I like the new one better. There’s slightly more upbeat energy behind each step and the finish is satisfying to look at as well
i love the old one ToT
im so sad they changed it and the girl didnt even own the move! she admitted to it!
WHY hoyo why must you change it.😢 the old one looks beautiful. and the girl CLEARLY stated that SHE doesn't OWN the dance
They changed because she was gonna sue
@@Ben_was_here239 she can't sue them since it wasn't her dance
@@Ben_was_here239 she would have lost right away
she said she was going to sue because the movements look eerily similar to hers
it doesnt mean she owns the dance but it could mean they motion tracked her or copied her movements down to the frame, if you compare the two videos their movements look identical
idk abt her winning but if you were motion tracked w/out consent that could be a liable reason
@@chutachups This make sense, but firstly no proof and second this is possible without being motion tracked so she would have lost anyway, I understand they probably just didn't want drama, but anyway idk the girl but from the look of it she doesn't seem that smart 🥲
If I was the girl I’d thank hoyoverse for making me famous
For that one short with the other girl💀
Or just because it's a leak and it's not final, you know leak change right ? Like anything in development ?
@@El_chara
Is there any other idle animations have changed?
No other than the cpt idles like amber
But xilonen dance exploded with the just dance song and edit
And the trend arrived to a girl who people recognise her dance with xilonen
And because it's a leak
She can't File a lawsuit against Genshin
Soooooooo
Hoyo changed it really fast because The official version is still a few days away
Just
Changed the End of rotation to the other side
And there is a difference in which hand is raised and which hand is lowered to her thigh
And when she spining her hands were raised and her hands were now facing down so make it doesn't look like that girl anymore
Old to be young, energetic, casual, very young and now the difference is new more graceful, slow, smooth, the aura of wisdom is visible
My first thought is, "Why would they change it?" But, now i realize why would she try to Sue when she doesn't even know what the move is called or better yet don't own the move or better yet not the owner of Jam skating.
I actually like the new one better, it's so much prettier and I never liked the end of the original spin anyway :D
We are so opposite
Coping at its hardest 😭
@@VitoSwu-vd3lxnot really the old one was way less fluid and has less movement of her animal features which is the most interesting part about her
@@VitoSwu-vd3lx not the same opinion as me: coping wah wah
@VitoSwu-vd3lx I hate people who use the "everyone against me is coping" argument
I feel like everyone in the comments isnt comprehending that she wasnt suing bc it was her dance, she was suing for the identical handwork and timing (which is not apart of the dance), meaning that she would be a direct reference rather that the dance itself. Thats why its mostly the handwork was changed, not the footwork. She was admitting the style of footwork and wasn’t her own, however the direct timing and handwork was.
95% of the genshin community have smooth brains you can see it from this comment section, most of them probably didn’t even watched her video or anyone explaining what’s going on
The thing is, the video she was referring to was cut in the middle. That or the people in the back can teleport.
But you don't get it, genshin players don't want to understand the law they're just mad that anything changed because they somehow develop nostalgia for stuff that aren't even meant to be released, I swear it's gonna be the fucking emily "original design" thing again but with a fucking idle animation, it's so stupid
@@broken4460 watched it. There's multiple cuts here and there. Aside from a single hand position for barely 1/3rd of a second none other movements is an exact copy let alone "99% same". An arm being the same way as her is nothing more than coincidence or at worse an inspiration. What she is talking about being a direct motion copy, which is definitely not true.
Ah yes, the timing of an edited video, of course
People be suing for whatever nowadays
They always have. How do you think insurance fraud got so bad in the first place?
i wont lie, the tail twitch on the new idle is a good addition.
The girl was basically saying, you guys were copying how I eat because my mouth was closed while chewing! 😂😂
The old one was much better😢
So Hoyo managed to dodge a bullet with this change.... only a few people know why....😅😅😅😅
Maybe some skate issue 😂
They didn't copy shit lmao, it's a basic move the people just wanted the character to be black so they found a black girl that does the dance and said that's her 🤡🤡🤡
They didn't copy her they just didn't want the drama that Dance has existed for decades
@@lawrenceking1618racist much?
@@takitako679??? What are you talking about
If someone is wondering, it's true that the girl won't win the court case. But in other side hoyo is avoiding social backlash from players. (More so that the girl is dark skinned, and it may cause an accusation of hoyo being racist by fighting the girl in court etc etc)
That girl who sued hoyo had NO OWNERSHIP over the moves and has the audacity to sue for no reason just because she wants to be involved in something
Remember this. BETA LEAKS ARENT FINAL. That stands for Idle, burst, skill, attacks, and everything about an upcoming character
The lady said that she’ll sue them if they *COPY AND USED HER MOTIONS IN THE VIDEO. SHE ALSO CLARIFIED THAT SHE WAS FINE WITH THEM having the inspiration from her, since the dance is common around.* For goodness sake, read her statement again!
The thing is, their movements aren't the same. While there are a few simularities, it's not enough for it to be considered copying
it looks good ig hoyo dosent care about twerps it was beta things change
"having inspiration" is crazy😂 those skater moves are not even her and if she did say that she really is dumb thinking she can even sue hoyo
"Oh, that character lifted their hand the same way I lifted my hand - TIME TO SUE!"
Still petty as fuck.
Leave genshin developers alone it's not copyright and it's a free-use dance. Haters hate because they'll never understand and that's because they are immature and can't accept that Genshin is profiting legally and they don't have an excuse to hate.
You people sound like a bunch of sheep defending hoyo. They should have never copied her full movement in the first place.
@@stayheat Why the fuck not? Honestly - why not? Video games have been "copying" online dances for literally _decades._ It's a fun easter egg for fans to find the references, and a nod to whoever did the dance to immortalize them in game. This was just pointless Twitter level outrage from her for no reason. Art references other artists all the goddamn time. Only the true assholes throw hissy fits over it.
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I always felt the old one's coordination was a bit weird. Glad they designed a new one. The moves are way more natrual imo.
Man the old one looks pretty cool tho
why cant we have nice things 😑
Cause people want attention and money.
looks like they avoided getting sued lmao
Eventhough they know she stand no chance agaisnt them,the entire thing was stupid anyway,since the video was edited
Just goes to show that there's a reason Genshin impact can't have nice things cuz the community likes to nitpick and complain about everything smh
The Genshin community is hated for a reason. Combine the internet with weebs and children and you have the perfect combination for an overreacting toxic environment.
Yes she is much like a sleepy cat on the first one, but I definitely the vibe of the second one.
I've seen plenty of people say how that's a basic move in the rollerskating community so she really has no grounds to sue
Old one looks better 👇
The old animation is much better than the new one
Kinda like the old one better sucks that they didnt just ask if they can use the dance or smth
The dance is not own by anyone they don’t need to ask..
They didn't need to ask her. The dance isn't owned by anyone and, despite what she's claiming, they didn't copy her movement, so they didn't need to ask her permission
The head turn at the end in the new one is such a mood ❤ I am with Hoyo changing the idle. Love the new one
I wonder if genshin even changed it over her or what, but she wasn't going to sue over the dance she was going to sue after potential body scanning or a direct copy of her exact movements... But the the new one looks a lot more fluid and her tail looks so much better, and I like tails and ears on characters so better tail is good.