GeoThermal Greenhouse Works! LDSPrepper Tour Part 1
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I've been using a Geothermal Air System for 16 years. I have 600' of 6" flexpipe 10' into the
ground (careful to keep the pipes separated properly). The air being pushed by one 12
VDC 6" fan on one 12vdc solar panel / 2 battery system is enough to move the air but not
freeze the ground in the winter. At 22 deg. outside the air is a constant 65 deg. out of the pipe.
Thanks for the straightforward numbers. Mind if I ask aprox where you are located?
Any thoughts on using sewer infiltrators?
If you daisychain the water barrels together...
a small fish tank heater;
would have them all at the same temperature...
& pump warm water to a radiator... Located low in the greenhouse and use it’s 12 V fans to move heat ....
from the water.... to the air.
planting holly hocks at the entrances will entice the bees to the garden
jeda whit What a fantastic idea!!!
I am so glad to live in an area where we do not drop below zero. Around here we think weather in the 20's above zero is instant death lol. One tiny little flake of snow shows up and schools start to close people freak out and milk and bread sales go through the roof. Also the only place I know of that closes schools for race week twice a year. I live 15 minutes from Bristol motor speedway and its kind of a big deal around here apparently.
Paula Mitchell I live in Iraq where the summer tepm is exceeding 60 •C and we are enjoying it!!!
Lol, yea, I'm from snow country in Idaho, now in VA, I know what you're saying about the panic at the rumors of snow. But it's a joke to get out on the roads here, the snow plow drivers don't even know what they are doing, it's best to stay off the roads.
that is why you raise chickens and a cow for your compost pile.collect tea off of compost pile to use in garden. you can build composter with a plastic 55 gallon drums.you will nedd 3 to keep your system going strong. The barrels must be in full sun to work properly
I built a drum composter and as long as I give it a turn every few days, it turns the food scraps into reasonably good soil in a couple months.
I need to build a second one. . I find it works just as well in the shady area.
you can also put the solar floodlights on a timer and run them a little in the morning and a little at the evenings.also through summer during dull days.it was an idea for going off grid i had.the leds floods are very high cri.around 87/88 and widely available.
I'm aquianted with Mittliter plan, my mother was trying it over 40 years ago. My plan worked out over many years research and trial and error, is to use about 50/50 mix of biochar and topsoil, (sandy loam or silt loam) Then add rock powder minerals such as calcium carbonate lime, soft rock phosphate, AZOMITE, etc. Then enough nitrogen to charge up the biochar and get things going. Adding some microbial inoculation is good. The biochar soaks up the soluble minerals and nitrogen and the soil microbes and fungi digest them and help feed the plant roots. Ideally with sufficient microbial activity they will trap nitrogen from the air to feed the plants and need very little additional feed would be needed for a long time.
Rather than PT wood, which I still have questions about, and hasn't lasted well in the Southeast, I'm building my raised beds from 4" PVC drain pipe ("S&D pipe"). Each 30'x4' bed costs about $80 to build and I use 1/2' rebar to stake it in place. Each piece of rebar is sleeved with 3/4" 200 PSI PVC, leaving enough to insert my 1/2" PVC hoops. Also, I put fill and drain plugs in my 4" pipe and fill them with water in fall. Each 4" pipe bed assembly can hold about 45 gallons of water, surrounding the bed with a warm heat sink which is in direct contact with the bedding soil. Not only do they absorb heat from the sun/air, but also from the soil beneath. Adding row covers in cold weather, the pipes (frames) remain inside the cold frame (row cover), creating a warm micro-climate for each bed.
Another advantage is that 48 inch compostable paper mulch (I buy 500' rolls cheap) will roll out over the bed perfectly. I hold it in place using clips I made from scraps of the 4" pipe. I put regular soaker hoses under the paper mulch for each 2 rows to be planted. Lowes has a kit with 100' of soaker hose and a bunch of fittings that is perfect for each bed (about $25). Makes 3 runs down the bed (left, right, and center). Since the soil curves underneath , I can plant my outside rows directly against my pipe. I can get six rows of greens and other smaller plants in each bed. I left 18" between beds, so my 72'x30' greenhouse (high tunnel) has ten beds (one group of five is actually 33 feet long), so I potentially have almost 1900 row feet in a 72'x30' space! I grow all of my tomatoes, beans, and curcubits vertically using moveable hangers and clips (lower-and-lean method). Tons of production, and growing vertically puts things at a nice picking height.
Each bed requires 7 ten foot sections of pipe and four (tight) 90 degree elbows; three for each long side, one to cut the end sections from (cutting 39 inches gives 4 foot outside width for the bed) two short (about 5") pieces to connect the elbows at one end, and a large can of glue (will do 5-6 frames). Be sure to drill a small vent hole in one corner to vent the rectangle of pipe before making the last connection. I drill the hole in the highest corner where my fill hole/plug will go. Keep the opposite corner lowest for your drain. I used rubber plugs to plug the holes which also act as freeze plugs should things get really cold. You'll have some pipe left over to make retaining clips for the paper mulch if you decide to go that way.
I expect these bedding frames to last a long time, don't worry about possible issues with PT wood, and they are very light weight (without the water), so they can be moved easily. The white pipe also reflects some light if kept clean. Someone suggested painting a black stripe on top to increase heat absorption. May try that. I may also look at plumbing the pipes to recirculate solar-heated water for a more active approach. This would require fittings (small bulkhead fittings?) instead of simple drain/fill plugs. Either way, I recommend a tiny vent hole at the highest point for expansion/contraction of air or water inside the pipe.
Once the frame is in place, I dig in my sand, sawdust, and other amendments so the bed is about 10"-12" deep from the top of the frames. I've had great results mixing the sand/sawdust with my native soil (about 60/40) and amending with compost and lime as needed. Adding Jobes organics fertilizer with "Biozome" (?) micro-organisms really gets the mix going well. I also add a handful of earth worms to each bed. I had some problems controlling PH with the pure sand/sawdust mix, but, overall got great results. I get 3 yards of hardwood sawdust locally for $10 and use it a lot. Nice amendment to the compost pile as well.
I do all of my tilling using an electric tiller/cultivator run off of a small solar system and a cheap 1500 watt inverter. So much nicer than the noisy, stinky, high-maintenance gas tiller. Our gable fans are solar-direct, and water is solar-pumped (totally off-grid here).
Thanks so much to LDSPrepper for his ongoing inspiration and ideas, which I've adapted to my own situation.
+TheGhung Fu
That's a very good idea!
Little late, but make sure you always paint pvc. It is not UV stable, and will not last nearly as long in the sun if you don't paint it.
I need a video of this please!
I may have missed this request, or it may be in a part I missed, but how do you get the double plastic together? How do you do it? This is a really important aspect and sharing how to do it would be so helpful to many of us that are just starting out.
The main problem I have with the Mittleider growing system is the constant input of fertilizer that is needed. The point of prepping is to become self sufficient. So how what happens when he can't go buy fertilizer anymore and the only soil he is left with is sand and sawdust? It seems that building the soil with mulch/woodchips/compost would be a smarter choice.
***** Yes, we discuss that problem in the next two segments.
dirtpatcheaven Ok, I'll look for those videos. Think about it this way. There is
Depletion - taking more nutrients than what's put back
Sustainability - putting back as much as you take
Restoration - putting back a surplus of nutrients.
The Mittleider garden method using fertilizer is a depletion type of system, in my opinion. Back to Eden garden method seems to be the way to go. If you haven't watched that film yet, I recommend that you do.
***** Do you have actual hands-on experience with the Mittleider method or is this just a by-stander's observation?
I am sincerely curious because I am considering sinking the $ into taking a week long course on Mittleider. My thought is that for the mid- longer term that Permaculture and Back to Eden are the way to go for building soil structure and that Mittleider can produce a whole lot of food while the soil is being built in the regenerative style systems I mentioned before.
@Prodisability, thank you. That is what I was thinking too. This would be a way to produce food for the unprepared hords in the short term ( should it come to that) while installing community based permaculture and Back to Eden regenerative production systems and building soil. Store excess mineral for production just as one would store long term preps. .
I am thinking that composting organic matter from Mittleider grown plants may add quite a bit of mineral into hugelkulture beds and newly established Back to Eden style gardens.
Basically I am researching taking the best practices from Permaculture, Restoration Agriculture, and Agro-Forestry and seeing how to integrate them. My horticulture skills are well behind the curve and this along with excess production may be where Mittleider can add something to the mix of the others perhaps?
@ Prodisability. Thank you for your insightful comments. You've provided me with much good information about a gardening system I know nothing about. As I move forward to learning more about Mittleider's , method I will have my eyes wide open.
.Aquaponics really isn't my thing. There is too much equipment and energy requirements to keep a system up and running. I may find that Mittleider has similar drawbacks.
Treated lumber leaches chemicals into the soil ... I would amend the soil with compost and cover crops ... Use manure tea for liquid fertilizer ... Maybe add aquaponics for nutrients and a thermal mass ...
Great info Julianne. LDS Prepper is such a wealth of information. I loved seeing his greenhouse.
+FRESH PRINCESS He really is, isn't he?
David is an American hero.
Thank you this was so inspiring! I don't have a greenhouse yet. I started one a few years ago and stopped when it became complicated and my health failed me. I'm gaining my health back and hope to restart in the spring.
Research Rocky Mountain Institute's test house and their research in efficiency. Their test house is built into a side of a hill, in the high altitude of the Rocky mts. Its "geo thermal" since it takes advantage of huge amount of dirt as a wall.
Some of their research may apply to your needs.
+Peter XYZ Great idea! Will check them out!
If you dig the ground out 3ft it be warmer, the ground. Is insulated. Water dont freeze under the ground.
I've been subscribed to LDS Prepper for years. Love his new setup and property too. He also does the Mittleider Garden Method, which for the life of me I can't figure out how it's sustainable when one is dependent on the chemical cocktail you have to BUY it requires regularly. I know I will have backlash on this statement.
Sue Moore I agree with the non-sustainable nature of Mittleider Gardening being a problem. He and I disagree on this point because I think that with some tweaking you could use compost tea and rabbit manure. He believes that the chemical fertilizer is sufficient. You will see our disagreement in the second video and my addressing how you could feed your rabbits out of the garden to get weed-free fertilizer and thus have a food-cycle rather than a chemical dependency. All-in-all he knows a lot more about successful gardening than I do and I take what he says very seriously and at this point my musings about rabbit manure compost are just musings.
dirtpatcheaven
I agree with you. I'm sure he can get larger harvests now, but natural and sustainable is better long term.
Sue Moore Actually your all wrong. You can buy 10 or more years of fertilizer, Mittleider packets, Epson salts, etc and it will all fit in small corner in your garage or shop. The idea here is that he is not spending 8 hours a day to feed four people. I just got done with my first season of Back to Eden. It was laborious, infested with bugs, mold, and not a lot of food. I am keeping one bed this way and starting over with it. I ripped another bed out and going to do Mittleider and compare the two. I am willing to bet I invest less, work less and get more on it.
mfhmonkey
I am listening. Still observing I guess. It is an intriguing method.
Sue Moore For me, It's about leveraging what's left of the industrial age to build resilient systems to transition to whatever the future holds. If nothing else we can MINIMISE required inputs to buy ourselves time for that transition while others are scrambling to cope. I plan to buy and store enough plastic to re-cover my greenhouse at least twice; enough to hopefully keep it going for 20 more years. Beyond that? Who knows?
also in summer i would cover my medium in plastic to retain moisture.white plastic keeps nice and cool.in winter change the plastic to black to absorb more heat.
Enjoyed this series of Videos on David's Geo Thermo Greenhouse. I would enjoy a follow up video on the challenges and their solutions they have encountered this past year.
Cheryl ODonnell I have to admit that he never really said he had had any failures or challenges with this system. He did say he will change to a wooden north side rather than a plane hoop house design when he builds his second one...hoping to get that on film, definitely.
Just a wonderful video! : ) i would love to be that close to David! Hurry with part 2! : )
Vic Smith Trying to get it edited and up tonight.
I found this interesting: "Virtually all treated wood available in retail outlets for use by the general public is preserved with inorganic chemicals, most commonly with CCA. Copper (Cu) is an effective fungicide, arsenic (As) is an effective insecticide, and chromium (Cr) serves to bind the chemical preservative to the wood. The treatment process usually involves immersing wood in a 2-3% solution of CCA and subjecting it to high pressure, which encourages deep penetration of CCA into the wood. Up to 50 gallons of CCA solution is used per cubic yard of wood. The treated wood has concentrations of Cr, Cu, and As that range from 1000 to 5000 mg/kg (parts per million). Wood treated by this method is also known as “pressure-treated lumber” and by the trade name “Wolmanized.” The CCA method of wood preservation is popular because it is effective, and because wood treated with CCA can be painted and has no objectionable odors." From: extension.psu.edu/plants/crops/esi/treated-lumber
+FRESH PRINCESS I don't use the stuff. I prefer that my wood will eventually rot cause I don't want to poison my soil bacteria...
You’d have to feed your bees, but I’ve seen some people keep honey bees in the green house. Don’t think they would let them out, plants did really well tho
In Alabama, the bees came out about dawn and dusk, they left by 9 AM and back an hour before dusk, I left the garden.
this cuts off mid sentence when he is describing the cost! is there a part two to this??
--Rick
Thanks for this close up look at the Geo-Air Greenhouse ... very nice and thorough. Great video.
the guy does a great job...where I work we spray shade paint on the hoop house in the summer to cool it down a bit..great vid
Pinetar Robyn Homestead Does it wear off by winter?
dirtpatcheaven depending on the weather it last into fall
+Pinetar Robyn Homestead What is shade paint?
What an interesting video, I can't believe the amount of produce in there almost ready at this time of year
Michael Collinson It's pretty unbelievable isn't it?
Hardly anybody knows where what you call “my area” is. So please kindly identify right at the start where you are. After all, You are on RUclips, not your local community bulletin board. Whether you are in Tennessee or northern Canada makes a big difference where geothermal’s effectiveness is concerned.
kayakmanonthego I heard he’s in Ohio, which is growing zones 5b 6a 6b.
When this video was made, they were in Idaho. I believe it was central Idaho.
The greenhouse design itself could be improved. There is no reason to have a semi-transparent roof/wall on the north side of a greenhouse in the Northern Hemisphere. The north side should be insulated and reflective on the inside to reflect south rays back into the greenhouse.
very good idea. lady on you tube in Canada was insulating north side and up to 4 feet on sides. then she put insulation boards that extended side to side at night over her mini greenhouse beds.
Looks great but I have a concern.... How do you have the bees coming in to help pollinate the plants?
I think this is really fabulous! But...on the pollinators having problems finding everything...........why couldn't you establish a small hive in the greenhouse? I would think it would work well although I don't know anything about greenhouses nor bees. I really love that you are sharing this with us all and I really enjoy all of your videos........thank you so much!!! My dream life....sigh. Too old and sick to have it now unfortunately. No one to help me.
Christi Ellenburg I think a hive in the greenhouse might be a little too warm for the bees and dangerous for the gardener. But someone suggested planting really thick bee flowers next to the greenhouse vents so that they would be attracted and enter!
Were you ever going to address the 'geothermal' design in the name of the video? How it's working?
REFLEXTIVE PANELS EST IN COLDER ZONES
This commentator says "God loves you" because you had a mild winter..... so if you have a severe winter God doesn't love you? Very last millennium.
This is the way to go
Dirtpacheaven...Your beauty is all I´ll remember from this video
why not put some of those solar led floodlights in the greenhouse.?they are about ten watts and can be warm white or cool white and rated between 3000k and 6000k.just add a lens collimator and they would double the light intensisty.they are about 20 dollars each and run for about 5 hours after daylight.you would be surprised how bright they are.and once purchased they cost nothing to run.ideal for extending winter daylight hours.
+Chris Fuller I have used them in my greenhouse with success but I don't think LDSPrepper has found them necessary. You could ask him on his channel...he is very good to respond to questions.
Why are you calling this geo-thermal? To be geo-thermal it has to capture the natural warmth of the earth which is maintained year round below the frost line where it is being built. This would be at least four feet into the earth in harsh climate zones in the U.S. The best way to build a geo-thermal greenhouse is to excavate it into the south facing slope of a hill. But, even on flat land as is the case here, it can still be dug into the ground with the excavated material used to create a slope (geo-thermal mass) on the north side of the greenhouse. A green house built in this manner shouldn't have to be heated whatsoever.
+Les Blenkhorn It is geothermal because of the piping he has running under the greenhouse. Eight feet down in our area to get below the frost line. The warm air from eight feet down rises up and is blown into the space between the plastic layers and also into the greenhouse itself.
+dirtpatcheaven
I would strongly reommend anyone wishing to duplicate this design to wait until after the summer season before investing hard earned cash. I guarantee this greenhouse will overheat as the design is flawed on so many levels.
Its important to mention that the heat returned from the underground tubing is laden with water vapor which will not raise the air temperature but it will increase greenhouse RH to over 90%. Typically only 25% of the heat returned is "sensible", this is heat that raises temperature. The other 75% is "latent" heat in the form of water vapour (a gas) which doesnt increase the temperature, only the relative humidity.
I recommend learning a l;ittle about sensible and latent heat, friction loss in air ducts, the thermal capacity and thermal diffusivity of heat in soil. A very basic understanding of the principles involved will highlight the numerous issues in this particular design
JohnGuest45 What is your method please?
You want real geo-thermal design? check out this guy growing citrus year round in northern Nebraska!
ruclips.net/video/ZD_3_gsgsnk/видео.html
How much did he say his fertilizer cost? He definitely has a great setup. Once I really get some space I think I will implement a Mittleider garden. I don't know how long fertilizer stores but I can't see why not get enough for say 10 years and keep on hand for just in case. I would feel better having it even though I am a compost somewhat organic gardener. Though my garden is very small. Janice
jksatte The fertilizer storage and cost is in the third video. He has enough stored for 25+ years if I remember right.
I always thought that Ohio was the best state to homestead in and you had a awesome growing season. Or is S/E Ohio different than the rest of the state???
It gets mighty cold here in Wisconsin but we only get about 20 mph winds in January and February Then it starts to warm up toward the end of March...
why not remove the plastic in the spring & install in fall
Hi LDSPrepper (Thanks Dirtpatch for the video). For your growing matter, you mention 2 parts sawdust 1 part sand. Are there good and bad sawdust types? My local sawmill does a variety of hardwoods and the sawdust is mixed. I live in a river valley my soil a foot down is pure sand. If I use this i worry about getting weeds, if I get from an aggregate supplier I worry about the cleaming agents they use to wash the sand clean for construction purposes - so any ideas here would be great! Thanks. Jason (LDS)
Galger It may be that you worry too much. Use the free sand from your own property.
@Galger, On the West Coast, at least, the gravel has are too cheap to use anything other than plain water for washing. I suspect that's true where you live also. As for sawdust, you are right, some species are toxic. A reputable lumber yard or sawyer (Also, furniture and cabinet maker) will know, and won't give it to you. Mostly because they're ethical, but there's liability to consider. Cheers
Has anyone tried using sew Infiltrators instead of pipe?
Great video!, Is there some kind of felt between the PVC and the Poly Film? I have heard from a couple sources that direct contact with PVC degrades the film. I don't know how factual that is. I would love to see the build on this house if anyone has the link to it.
+Rob S He paints the pvs so that it isn't burning the plastic. My first video on the greenhouse is here: ruclips.net/video/TU4fhHH83RA/видео.html
You can also buy plastic film repair tape and put it over the pvc as a barrier between the pvc and the film
enjoyed watching,..... Thank You
On to part 2.....quick
Can't you keep a small apiary inside the greenhouse? Or would this be dangerous..?
GOOD INFO, THANKS!
Corliss Taylor-Dunn He is pretty amazing isn't he?
Enjoyed the video but after the 3rd commercial I moved on....
Woah, a 10/10 homestead waifu.
He should take it to another level and get his soil biology right with a fungi to bacteria ratio of 1:1 to start then he wouldn’t have to use synthetic fertilizer and his yields would have a higher nutrient density. Look into regenerative farming…there is a movement towards it.
I agree 100%
Meat leader system??? @1:48
How does he keep his walls inflated, what blower is he using? Thanks for video.. five year old video.. lol
which thermometer is he using? Love the idea of being updated via internet on humidity & temp.
Victoria McGarrity I think it's just the standardized sprinkler timers. I see them at my local hardware store all the time!
+dirtpatcheaven 'standard timers' that also tell you the temp & humidity & update you every ten minutes via the Internet? never seen those at homedepo...perhaps I better look closer.
buying fertilizer??? that's what chicken ,cow and horse poop is for. So is a good composted been with worms
Can we get more info on how to crowdfund a greenhouse business ?
You ask other people to pay for your stuff
Where is this? Is this Klamath Falls?
How much light is lost with a duel wall?
What zone are you in?
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR BOTH OF YOU. I LIVE IN A SMALL TOWN OF ABOUT 700. THERE IS NO SEWER HERE SO EVERYONE HAS A SEPTIC. WHAT CAN YOU DO TO KEEP YOUR WELL FROM TAPING INTO YOUR SEPTIC WHICH SEEPS DOWN...OR PERHAPS ALL THE SEPTICS ARE SEEPING INTO THE THE WELL WATER?
I HAVE BOUGHT TOMATOES FROM LOCALS THAT SMELL LIKE SEPTIC WATER.
+9095Steve You have a minimum distance between a well and drain field. You can have your water tested periodically but instances of contamination are not very common. Even city water treatment plants have fecal coliform in the water after treatment, it just has to be under a certain count to be considered safe for human consumption. If the tomatoes smelled and tasted tainted I would ask your county extension about why that might be happening.
dirtpatcheaven Thank you for your response to my question. I will inquire to the county.
We were going to dig a well but I had another local tell me that she had to cap her well because it became contaminated from the septic systems. i am not sure if that is due to each persons septic with their private well or if all the septic's in the area have contaminated the local ground water.
The town has great water in our tap. The local pastor runs our water dept. and said that they had to dig exceptionally deep to obtain such good water.
I would love to have our own water and make my farm self sufficient, rather than depending on other providers for our needs.
I am new to homesteading and my next investment will be a nice Jersey cow. Do you have any advice about providing raw milk to my family? I hear that it also makes a difference where you live.
We live in the mountains in southern Arizona, at about 4500 feet.
Temps here are usually around the 90's in summer and as cold as the 10's in winter. I have not known it to get below 0 here.
Thanks for any help you can give. :)
I say start with good goats because the price is lower and fewer vet bills.
dirtpatcheaven Are there a lot of vet bills with Jersey cows? I considered a goat but I want cows milk, cheese and butter.
How do you balance the CO2 air circulation and the heat isolation?
ChienPing Yu He has air vented to the outside...he will be putting up more information soon.
Minus 20 for a whole month ??? Where does this guy live ? Antarctica ??
Southeast Idaho.
zone WATT
Eeek. I would never use any kind of pressure treated wood around vegetables for human or animal consumption. USDA Organic Certification doesn't allow any form of pressure treated wood. All three types of pressure treating leech harmful chemicals according to the USDA.
FLgardener Same here. I use cedar or pine only for my bed construction. Especially inside a greenhouse, I wouldn't think it necessary, where rot is minimized due to not as much contact with the elements.
PT is alright as long as it is lined with 10 mil plastic on the inside with a rock leach bed at the bottom and pass through weed barrier to prevent rooting systems from contacting the leach bed at the bottom of the raised bed.
Preppers.. Beware of floodings and droughts due to weather manipulation...
I cant find the magic mix their phone number is out to
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-20 for a month what part of the north pole is this?
+Mike Shea (sheadtree) Southeast Idaho...it does get colder than that every ten years or so, down to -40F.
how did you bend the pvc pipe?
Use a coffee pot to heat water and some para=chord or heavy string to hold the pipe in the shape you want. Pour hot water into the pipe, draw it into shape with the string and tie it off. Wait for a bit for the PVC to heat up, then dump the hot water and replace with cold to cool the PVC inside and out and that will set the shape.
Check out Dr.Nate Story on the Bright Agrotech yt channel in Colorado . Verticle growing greenhouse with aquaponics. He's on a commercial level , selling to local resturants. Nate's a jedi master at this.
+Robert Ryan Lol. Well, if he's a Jedi, how I can I pass that up? Thanks for the tip. ;)
Too bad, the GeoThermal aspect is hardly discussed!
Ok forgive me however, I am 27 seconds in and you are absolutely beautiful! Apologies but are striking luv😶 I shall now continue watching.
Does LDS stand for Latter day saint?
+cil 7322 yes
+dirtpatcheaven Are you guys Mormons? LDS?
Where iz this?
I'm guessing Utah
UPE PLASTIC GREEN HOUSE ON A TURN AROUND THE HOLE COOPE YA PEEEK OR HEDGE APPLE WOOD NEVE ROOTS I WILL FIND OUT WHY LOCUST
DRAW LING HOW DO I GET IT TO SOOOO GOD GIVEN WISDOM PRAZZZZZZY HIM HEAR NOT
Not certain about the points made but ,if anyone else wants to uncover aquaponics course try AQUAPONICS X10
?Ive heard some incredible things about it and my partner got great results with it.
let the man talk. YOU HOGGED THIS VIDEO YOU NEED TO LET him talk please.
747epecan1 No offense, but I took you on a visit while I asked questions of a friend. It was for my information that I took this and had a limited amount of time to get all of that information. If you want to go visit him so that you don't have to listen to my questions be my guest. He is LDSPrepper and is on Facebook.
This sucks