@@prof_elder and that’s what everyone does. You obviously need to study this more my friend. I’m not discrediting you more. Never good to do that. But you seem like you have an agenda about you. Christ loves you my brother.
I just did, also Lentulus'. There is nothing in it that says that Jesus was white. They even contradict each other, as Pontius wrote, he had blue eyes, while Lentulus wrote he had grey eyes.
I feel like you’re completely contradicting yourself. At first you said: “It (depicting ‘whiteness’ as divine) associates whiteness with authority.” Then you go on and explain how other cultures have depicted Jesus as their own race and show examples. So the Asians depict Jesus as Asian. Makes sense…but if we’re going to follow the logic of your first statement, does Asians depicting Jesus as Asian associate Asian-ness with authority? Does Africans depicting Jesus as black associate blackness with authority? Why do the other races/cultures get a pass, but white people don’t? I really don’t care what race Jesus was. To do so is pretty shallow IMO. He’s my savior, and that’s all that matters. I don’t need to “unlearn” anything except sin.
Thanks for your interest in understanding how depicting Jesus matters for race relations! I'm really glad when I read that people recognize, like you do, that Jesus was not white, but a brown middle eastern man. One of the points of the video is that how Jesus is *imagined* matters both theologically and sociologically. That Jesus continually is depicted in a manner similar to Sallman's "Head of Christ" in art and film suggests that white Jesus is still implanted in the American imagination of him. Perhaps I did not make clear enough in the video (though when I give this lecture to undergraduate students they can pick up pretty easily), but my take towards the end of the video is that depicting Jesus in the guise of multiple different cultures (including white, euro-centric ones), rather than just or primarily the dominant one, is to our advantage. The reason I don't give white, eurocentric depictions a "pass" is because this is the dominant culture in America and when the divine is depicted in the likeness of the dominant culture it can have negative effects for minoritized persons. If you'd like to read and think more on the topic Dr. Stephen Prothero's _American Jesus: How the Son of God Became a National Icon_ is a great book about Jesus in the modern, American context and Dr. Joan Taylor's _What Did Jesus Look Like?_ is really great on the ancient context. Thanks for engaging!
I am glad to see the interest in understanding how depicting Jesus matters for race relations! I'm really glad when I read that people recognize that Jesus was not white, but a brown middle eastern man. One of the main points of this video is that how Jesus is *imagined* matters both theologically and sociologically. That Jesus continually is depicted in a manner similar to Sallman's "Head of Christ" in art and film suggests that white Jesus is still implanted in the American imagination of him. Perhaps I did not make clear enough in the video, but my take towards the end of the video is that depicting Jesus in the guise of multiple different cultures (including white, euro-centric ones), rather than just or primarily the dominant one, is to our advantage. The reason I don't give white, eurocentric depictions a "pass" is because this is the dominant culture in America and when the divine is primarily depicted in the likeness of the dominant culture it can have and has had negative effects for minoritized persons. If you'd like to read and think more on this topic, Dr. Stephen Prothero's _American Jesus: How the Son of God Became a National Icon_ is a great book about Jesus in the modern, American context and Dr. Joan Taylor's _What Did Jesus Look Like?_ is really great about Jesus in the ancient context. Thanks for engaging!
1. There is no grand conspiracy to portray Jesus as white so that other races associate whiteness with divinity and authority. This is one of the most inane conspiracy theories I’ve heard in a good while. 2. The people of the Levant during Greco-Roman rule over the Mediterranean weren’t “brown middle easterners”, they were Levantines. Many of them had fair features, straight or wavy hair, and blue or green eyes, which you can still see in some from the region today, even despite the Arab conquest having suppressed most of these recessive traits. Consider Bashar Al-Assad and his family as an example. Did Jesus have blue eyes, wavy hazel hair, and fair features? Possibly, since others from that area and time period did also. Does that mean whiteness is divinized, or that divinity is white? No, that’s just stupid.
Thanks for your interest in understanding how depicting Jesus matters for race relations! One of the points of the video is that how Jesus is *imagined* matters both theologically and sociologically. That Jesus continually is depicted in a manner similar to Sallman's "Head of Christ" in art and film suggests that white Jesus is still implanted in the American imagination of him. Perhaps I did not make clear enough in the video (though when I give this lecture to undergraduate students they can pick up pretty easily), but my take towards the end of the video is that depicting Jesus in the guise of multiple different cultures (including white, euro-centric ones), rather than just or primarily the dominant one, is to our advantage. The reason I don't give white, eurocentric depictions a "pass" is because this is the dominant culture in America and when the divine is depicted in the likeness of the dominant culture it can have negative effects for minoritized persons. If you'd like to read and think more on the topic Dr. Stephen Prothero's _American Jesus: How the Son of God Became a National Icon_ is a great book about Jesus in the modern, American context and Dr. Joan Taylor's _What Did Jesus Look Like?_ is really great on the ancient context. Thanks for engaging!
No one said Jesus was white, and no one is correlating whiteness as divine. This is just weird stuff you yourself are inserting. I've never heard this. Jesus was Jewish and looked no different to any other Jew of the time, "like a root out of dry ground there was nothing that should attract us to His majesty". Depicting Jesus as white associates whiteness with divinity as much as asians depicting Jesus as asian means asianness is divine. This is just weird racially obsessed theory with no basis in reality. ' Go cry about a topic that actually has relevance and actually exists..
Agree, but truthfully we do not know, logically thinking you can imagine Him similar to a person living in those regions today, but remember He was born of the Holy Spirit
Thanks for your interest in understanding how depicting Jesus matters for race relations! I'm really glad when I read that people recognize, like you do, that Jesus was not white, but a brown middle eastern man. One of the points of the video is that how Jesus is *imagined* matters both theologically and sociologically. That Jesus continually is depicted in a manner similar to Sallman's "Head of Christ" in art and film suggests that white Jesus is still implanted in the American imagination of him. Perhaps I did not make clear enough in the video (though when I give this lecture to undergraduate students they can pick up pretty easily), but my take towards the end of the video is that depicting Jesus in the guise of multiple different cultures (including white, euro-centric ones), rather than just or primarily the dominant one, is to our advantage. If you'd like to read and think more on the topic Dr. Stephen Prothero's _American Jesus: How the Son of God Became a National Icon_ is a great book about Jesus in the modern, American context and Dr. Joan Taylor's _What Did Jesus Look Like?_ is really great on the ancient context. Thanks for engaging.
Everybody knows this, even most of the people you think *don’t* know this. What is happening is that most cultures have depictions of Jesus as someone of their own ethnicity, but only White depictions are demonized due to the anti Whiteness of modern society. There is no way around this. Majority of tweets and FB posts with racial hatred are anti-White, based on Metas own dataset. Most descriptions that include the word “White” or people in modern news articles are negative. It’s self hatred, which we’ve inherited from Christianity.
This is why I left this crazy middle-eastern cult. Only in Christian nations do majority groups show negative in-group biases. It’s a “self-unalive” cult that’s infiltrated the White countries.
exactly and the writing of pontious pilate. there is also a video of someone going round parts of Africa and asking africans what colour skin they believe Jesus had and like 90% say white.
I just did, also Lentulus'. There is nothing in it that says that Jesus was white. They even contradict each other, as Pontius wrote, he had blue eyes, while Lentulus wrote he had grey eyes.
@@GuideGame1 Blue and grey eyes are the same. If one wrote that he had brown the other blue then yes i’d understand but now you’re just being pedantic.
@@worldmusictheory Excuse me, for I did not know you were colourblind. Nevertheless, not a single word indicates anything about the skin colour of Jesus. There is no evidence of him being white. You are mistaken.
You say people depict Jesus in their own likeness. Africans do it, Asians do it, Europeans do it. But you call the video Unlearning WHITE Jesus. It feels almost like, although Asians and Africans are doing the same thing, they are not to blame, but only Europeans and Americans are. I like the general point of your video, diversify the depictions of Jesus. I could even get behind that. But all of this feels like a lesson only for "white people", despite them behaving exactly the way everyone else does. Speaking of, concepts like "whiteness", and "brown middle easternness" didn't exist 2000 years ago. Some Middle Easterners would definitely pass as "white" in the US, some wouldn't. Some Europeans wouldn't pass as white in the US. I don't think applying these almost uniquely American concepts to a different region 2 millenniums ago is constructive. A lot of what you called "white depictions" of Jesus, like the Christ Pantocrator, show him with dark or black hair and brown eyes which is definitely a plausible look for a Middle Easterner of that time.
The problem is people have seen Him. Ie sister Faustina. That's your problem.
Every culture depicts him in their own way.
Yes indeed. And that's why, theologically speaking, I think it is important to celebrate multiple different depictions of Jesus.
@@prof_elder and that’s what everyone does. You obviously need to study this more my friend. I’m not discrediting you more. Never good to do that. But you seem like you have an agenda about you. Christ loves you my brother.
no, you cnanot do this according to Orthodox Iconogrophy
@@mariorizkallah5383 the different churches depict him differently. As an orthodox myself.
@@prof_elder and you don’t need to even say this. I’m Jewish myself but converted to Christianity.
Have you not read the descriptions by Pontious Pilate that describe Jesus as white? Also the writings of Lentulus describe Jesus as white skinned.
I just did, also Lentulus'. There is nothing in it that says that Jesus was white. They even contradict each other, as Pontius wrote, he had blue eyes, while Lentulus wrote he had grey eyes.
Father forgive them, for they do what they do not.
I feel like you’re completely contradicting yourself. At first you said:
“It (depicting ‘whiteness’ as divine) associates whiteness with authority.”
Then you go on and explain how other cultures have depicted Jesus as their own race and show examples. So the Asians depict Jesus as Asian. Makes sense…but if we’re going to follow the logic of your first statement, does Asians depicting Jesus as Asian associate Asian-ness with authority? Does Africans depicting Jesus as black associate blackness with authority? Why do the other races/cultures get a pass, but white people don’t?
I really don’t care what race Jesus was. To do so is pretty shallow IMO. He’s my savior, and that’s all that matters. I don’t need to “unlearn” anything except sin.
He did not think that far ahead.
you raised a good question and I doubt this guy is going to make video about unlearning Asian, Black Jesus anytime soon.
Thanks for your interest in understanding how depicting Jesus matters for race relations! I'm really glad when I read that people recognize, like you do, that Jesus was not white, but a brown middle eastern man.
One of the points of the video is that how Jesus is *imagined* matters both theologically and sociologically. That Jesus continually is depicted in a manner similar to Sallman's "Head of Christ" in art and film suggests that white Jesus is still implanted in the American imagination of him.
Perhaps I did not make clear enough in the video (though when I give this lecture to undergraduate students they can pick up pretty easily), but my take towards the end of the video is that depicting Jesus in the guise of multiple different cultures (including white, euro-centric ones), rather than just or primarily the dominant one, is to our advantage. The reason I don't give white, eurocentric depictions a "pass" is because this is the dominant culture in America and when the divine is depicted in the likeness of the dominant culture it can have negative effects for minoritized persons.
If you'd like to read and think more on the topic Dr. Stephen Prothero's _American Jesus: How the Son of God Became a National Icon_ is a great book about Jesus in the modern, American context and Dr. Joan Taylor's _What Did Jesus Look Like?_ is really great on the ancient context.
Thanks for engaging!
I am glad to see the interest in understanding how depicting Jesus matters for race relations! I'm really glad when I read that people recognize that Jesus was not white, but a brown middle eastern man.
One of the main points of this video is that how Jesus is *imagined* matters both theologically and sociologically. That Jesus continually is depicted in a manner similar to Sallman's "Head of Christ" in art and film suggests that white Jesus is still implanted in the American imagination of him.
Perhaps I did not make clear enough in the video, but my take towards the end of the video is that depicting Jesus in the guise of multiple different cultures (including white, euro-centric ones), rather than just or primarily the dominant one, is to our advantage. The reason I don't give white, eurocentric depictions a "pass" is because this is the dominant culture in America and when the divine is primarily depicted in the likeness of the dominant culture it can have and has had negative effects for minoritized persons.
If you'd like to read and think more on this topic, Dr. Stephen Prothero's _American Jesus: How the Son of God Became a National Icon_ is a great book about Jesus in the modern, American context and Dr. Joan Taylor's _What Did Jesus Look Like?_ is really great about Jesus in the ancient context.
Thanks for engaging!
1. There is no grand conspiracy to portray Jesus as white so that other races associate whiteness with divinity and authority. This is one of the most inane conspiracy theories I’ve heard in a good while.
2. The people of the Levant during Greco-Roman rule over the Mediterranean weren’t “brown middle easterners”, they were Levantines. Many of them had fair features, straight or wavy hair, and blue or green eyes, which you can still see in some from the region today, even despite the Arab conquest having suppressed most of these recessive traits. Consider Bashar Al-Assad and his family as an example.
Did Jesus have blue eyes, wavy hazel hair, and fair features? Possibly, since others from that area and time period did also. Does that mean whiteness is divinized, or that divinity is white? No, that’s just stupid.
Thanks for your interest in understanding how depicting Jesus matters for race relations!
One of the points of the video is that how Jesus is *imagined* matters both theologically and sociologically. That Jesus continually is depicted in a manner similar to Sallman's "Head of Christ" in art and film suggests that white Jesus is still implanted in the American imagination of him.
Perhaps I did not make clear enough in the video (though when I give this lecture to undergraduate students they can pick up pretty easily), but my take towards the end of the video is that depicting Jesus in the guise of multiple different cultures (including white, euro-centric ones), rather than just or primarily the dominant one, is to our advantage. The reason I don't give white, eurocentric depictions a "pass" is because this is the dominant culture in America and when the divine is depicted in the likeness of the dominant culture it can have negative effects for minoritized persons.
If you'd like to read and think more on the topic Dr. Stephen Prothero's _American Jesus: How the Son of God Became a National Icon_ is a great book about Jesus in the modern, American context and Dr. Joan Taylor's _What Did Jesus Look Like?_ is really great on the ancient context.
Thanks for engaging!
@@prof_elderAmerica is a White nation that is being attacked.
What is your cradle religion, prof Elder?
No one said Jesus was white, and no one is correlating whiteness as divine. This is just weird stuff you yourself are inserting. I've never heard this. Jesus was Jewish and looked no different to any other Jew of the time, "like a root out of dry ground there was nothing that should attract us to His majesty".
Depicting Jesus as white associates whiteness with divinity as much as asians depicting Jesus as asian means asianness is divine. This is just weird racially obsessed theory with no basis in reality. '
Go cry about a topic that actually has relevance and actually exists..
Agree, but truthfully we do not know, logically thinking you can imagine Him similar to a person living in those regions today, but remember He was born of the Holy Spirit
Thanks for your interest in understanding how depicting Jesus matters for race relations! I'm really glad when I read that people recognize, like you do, that Jesus was not white, but a brown middle eastern man.
One of the points of the video is that how Jesus is *imagined* matters both theologically and sociologically. That Jesus continually is depicted in a manner similar to Sallman's "Head of Christ" in art and film suggests that white Jesus is still implanted in the American imagination of him.
Perhaps I did not make clear enough in the video (though when I give this lecture to undergraduate students they can pick up pretty easily), but my take towards the end of the video is that depicting Jesus in the guise of multiple different cultures (including white, euro-centric ones), rather than just or primarily the dominant one, is to our advantage.
If you'd like to read and think more on the topic Dr. Stephen Prothero's _American Jesus: How the Son of God Became a National Icon_ is a great book about Jesus in the modern, American context and Dr. Joan Taylor's _What Did Jesus Look Like?_ is really great on the ancient context.
Thanks for engaging.
Everybody knows this, even most of the people you think *don’t* know this.
What is happening is that most cultures have depictions of Jesus as someone of their own ethnicity, but only White depictions are demonized due to the anti Whiteness of modern society. There is no way around this. Majority of tweets and FB posts with racial hatred are anti-White, based on Metas own dataset. Most descriptions that include the word “White” or people in modern news articles are negative. It’s self hatred, which we’ve inherited from Christianity.
This is why I left this crazy middle-eastern cult. Only in Christian nations do majority groups show negative in-group biases. It’s a “self-unalive” cult that’s infiltrated the White countries.
You're a liar or speak out of ignorance.
Letter of Lentulus
exactly and the writing of pontious pilate. there is also a video of someone going round parts of Africa and asking africans what colour skin they believe Jesus had and like 90% say white.
I just did, also Lentulus'. There is nothing in it that says that Jesus was white. They even contradict each other, as Pontius wrote, he had blue eyes, while Lentulus wrote he had grey eyes.
@@GuideGame1 Blue and grey eyes are the same. If one wrote that he had brown the other blue then yes i’d understand but now you’re just being pedantic.
@@GuideGame1 It says he has a slightly reddish complexion, only whites get red complexions and visibly blush.
@@worldmusictheory Excuse me, for I did not know you were colourblind. Nevertheless, not a single word indicates anything about the skin colour of Jesus. There is no evidence of him being white. You are mistaken.
You say people depict Jesus in their own likeness. Africans do it, Asians do it, Europeans do it. But you call the video Unlearning WHITE Jesus. It feels almost like, although Asians and Africans are doing the same thing, they are not to blame, but only Europeans and Americans are.
I like the general point of your video, diversify the depictions of Jesus. I could even get behind that. But all of this feels like a lesson only for "white people", despite them behaving exactly the way everyone else does.
Speaking of, concepts like "whiteness", and "brown middle easternness" didn't exist 2000 years ago. Some Middle Easterners would definitely pass as "white" in the US, some wouldn't. Some Europeans wouldn't pass as white in the US. I don't think applying these almost uniquely American concepts to a different region 2 millenniums ago is constructive.
A lot of what you called "white depictions" of Jesus, like the Christ Pantocrator, show him with dark or black hair and brown eyes which is definitely a plausible look for a Middle Easterner of that time.