I understand the kata and drill. However, it would be beneficial if the techniques were shortened and used small circle principles that are more practical in reality than the long , reaching " textbook" techniques. Imo. Train hard and be safe 🙏
Appreciate the thoughts @dianecenteno5275, and some excellent points for conversation. I wonder if it's the responsibility of the instructor, the art they teach OR the student who is learning to approach this variance responsibly? A hybrid of them all? Or is it cut and dry? Here's what I mean ... Utilization of skills among a (novice at best) group of students demands that gross movement first be achieved, layered with fundamental concepts and demonstration... These three being taught together, address all three learning types. So to teach in a group, you must slow down the instruction given volume and reach of movement and meaning. So, 'textbook' is being shown here given the context of the lesson, audience and goal. I'd argue (and interested in your input here) if one goes straight to fine motor, refined principle with practical application (ie. reality based scenario (which given the nature cannot be codified)), it's not possible to progress in short time, bypassing gross motor, broad principle and directed to one learning type, UNLESS it is a uniform and non-specialized teaching model (ie. bootcamp) ... thus it being now up to the individual to learn or get get dropped? Is it system based that decides success or failure of technique? I'd actually agree it can be done; however my experience is that you now must abbreviate the content taught down to outcome, ie. statistical based assault, male vs female, age, municipality/state penal code (use of force continuum), environmental/occupational, etc. Then it's not a martial 'art' it a personal protection model, HIPPA restraint, non-lethal escort and compliance, etc. In this space, I fully agree with your point and have taught that for years outside of my 'art'. Sorry to be so long winded - you raised a great point; so, do you feel one can progress into reality based, small circle drills demanding fine motor skill (small muscle/less thought process) and refined principle without first transitioning from (reaching) with highly visible (long) and systemized (textbook) movements that involve gross (large muscle/high thought process) ? Thanks again for the feedback. Adam
Thank you for the good question. I'll do my best to answer. Based on your use of 'kumite' I am assuming you have a background as a karate-ka. As stated in my description, it's an exercise meant to analyze, break-down and drill minor areas of more complete forms to come later. In this particular waza, and as stated in my description, I am offering the students two specific principles to study/feel. Analyzing something - anything - cannot be done in rapid motion, nor can it be done with force. If the opponent resists prior to learning the technique, it will be learned wrong. The format is shu, 守. The principle within a larger set of three on how to learn (as you may already well know). It is to simply obey the basics ... the kumite is later. I would invite you to consider this identical to bunkai (break-down) as studied in karate-do. And while many advanced karate-ka perform explosive and powerful bunkai, new students (like the one's I'm teaching) cannot and should not. I hope this helps.
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I understand the kata and drill. However, it would be beneficial if the techniques were shortened and used small circle principles that are more practical in reality than the long , reaching " textbook" techniques. Imo. Train hard and be safe 🙏
Appreciate the thoughts @dianecenteno5275, and some excellent points for conversation. I wonder if it's the responsibility of the instructor, the art they teach OR the student who is learning to approach this variance responsibly? A hybrid of them all? Or is it cut and dry? Here's what I mean ... Utilization of skills among a (novice at best) group of students demands that gross movement first be achieved, layered with fundamental concepts and demonstration... These three being taught together, address all three learning types. So to teach in a group, you must slow down the instruction given volume and reach of movement and meaning. So, 'textbook' is being shown here given the context of the lesson, audience and goal.
I'd argue (and interested in your input here) if one goes straight to fine motor, refined principle with practical application (ie. reality based scenario (which given the nature cannot be codified)), it's not possible to progress in short time, bypassing gross motor, broad principle and directed to one learning type, UNLESS it is a uniform and non-specialized teaching model (ie. bootcamp) ... thus it being now up to the individual to learn or get get dropped?
Is it system based that decides success or failure of technique? I'd actually agree it can be done; however my experience is that you now must abbreviate the content taught down to outcome, ie. statistical based assault, male vs female, age, municipality/state penal code (use of force continuum), environmental/occupational, etc. Then it's not a martial 'art' it a personal protection model, HIPPA restraint, non-lethal escort and compliance, etc. In this space, I fully agree with your point and have taught that for years outside of my 'art'.
Sorry to be so long winded - you raised a great point; so, do you feel one can progress into reality based, small circle drills demanding fine motor skill (small muscle/less thought process) and refined principle without first transitioning from (reaching) with highly visible (long) and systemized (textbook) movements that involve gross (large muscle/high thought process) ?
Thanks again for the feedback. Adam
We never see these techniques implemented in kumite, always with a willing participant. Why is that?
Thank you for the good question. I'll do my best to answer. Based on your use of 'kumite' I am assuming you have a background as a karate-ka. As stated in my description, it's an exercise meant to analyze, break-down and drill minor areas of more complete forms to come later. In this particular waza, and as stated in my description, I am offering the students two specific principles to study/feel. Analyzing something - anything - cannot be done in rapid motion, nor can it be done with force. If the opponent resists prior to learning the technique, it will be learned wrong.
The format is shu, 守. The principle within a larger set of three on how to learn (as you may already well know). It is to simply obey the basics ... the kumite is later. I would invite you to consider this identical to bunkai (break-down) as studied in karate-do. And while many advanced karate-ka perform explosive and powerful bunkai, new students (like the one's I'm teaching) cannot and should not. I hope this helps.