Commando 🪖 Versions Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2024
- ✅ Decide which is the DEFINITIVE VERSION of Commando / Senjou no Ookami / 戦場の狼 (Capcom 1985).
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This video includes some unofficial versions. Emulated versions, such as those found on the Capcom Arcade Cabinet, Capcom Classic Collection and Capcom Arcade Stadium compilations have been deliberately excluded.
Making this video has been a true nightmare, both due to the number of versions and the difficulty of some of them. I hope you give it love and share it with everyone.
00:00 Intro
00:15 Arcade (Japan) (1985)
00:44 Arcade (North America) (1985)
01:11 Arcade (World) (1985)
03:06 Arcade (Space Invasion) (1985)
04:45 Commodore 64 / C64 (1985)
05:56 Commodore 64 (Space Invasion) (1985)
07:00 Amstrad CPC (1985)
08:51 Amstrad CPC (Space Invasion) (1985)
10:28 ZX Spectrum (1985)
12:00 BBC Micro (Elite, Encore) (1985)
13:59 BBC Micro (Elite, AcornSoft / Superior Software) (1988)
14:22 Acorn Electron (1986)
18:03 Commodore 16, Plus/4 (1986)
18:25 Famicom (1986)
18:44 NES (1986)
22:27 MSX (1987)
25:20 NEC PC-8801 / PC88 (1987)
29:37 Fujitsu Micro 7 / FM-7 (1987)
31:32 Mattel Intellivision (1987)
33:48 Apple II (1987)
35:49 PC Booter / MS-DOS (1988)
37:13 Atari 2600 / VCS (1988)
38:40 Atari 7800 (1989)
41:04 Atari 8-bit family (Prototype) (1989)
43:24 Amiga (1989)
45:52 Atari ST (1989)
48:22 Commodore Plus/4 (Unofficial) (1992)
49:21 ZX Spectrum 128K (Unofficial) (1994)
50:47 Sega Saturn (Capcom Generation: Dai 4 Shuu Kokou no Eiyuu / カプコン・ジェネレーション ～第４集 孤高の英雄～) (Screen mode: type 1) (1998)
52:21 Sega Saturn (Capcom Generation: Dai 4 Shuu Kokou no Eiyuu / カプコン・ジェネレーション ～第４集 孤高の英雄～) (Screen Mode: Type 2 and Sound Remix) (1998)
53:55 PlayStation / PS (Capcom Generation: Dai 4 Shuu Kokou no Eiyuu / カプコン・ジェネレーション ～第４集 孤高の英雄～) (Japan) (Screen mode: type 1) (1998)
55:28 PlayStation / PS (Capcom Generation: Dai 4 Shuu Kokou no Eiyuu / カプコン・ジェネレーション ～第４集 孤高の英雄～) (Japan) (Screen Mode: Type 2 and Sound Remix) (1998)
57:00 PlayStation (Capcom Generations) (Europe) (Screen Mode: Type 1) (1999)
58:41 PlayStation (Capcom Generations) (Europe) (Screen Mode: Type 2 and Sound Remix) (1999)
01:00:22 J2ME / Java Mobile (2004)
01:02:33 JAKKS Pacific (Capcom 3-in-1) (2005)
01:04:14 Commodore 64 (Unofficial) (2014)
01:05:58 Android / iOS (2017)
Which are your favorite ports or conversions?
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The music in the C64 version by Rob Hubbard is iconic.
It's a shame that more versions didn't have the hidden bunkers revealed with grenade blasts. That's one of the things I really liked about the NES version. Actually, you blew my mind by showing me there were loads of them I never found in the NES version back in the day. I really appreciated the Atari 7800 version because they included hidden bunkers, but not as many.
For me, one of the best games of the Arcade era, and of history in general.
Excellent video... very complete.
Thanks a thousand.
7800 definitely one of the better versions, but the fanmade C64 version is of course the best, a clear labor of love.
Yes, and nice to see a flicker free remake. It just shows how good the C64 was for it's time. A real trooper.
The Amiga and Atari ST versions are a lot better than either.
Good on you for actually finding the 128K Spectrum release date. I meant to get back to you on that, bt just couldn't find an answer anywhere.
Thank you! I was doing a lot of research and it is likely that it was this date, but I still have doubts.
C64's has by far the best arrangement for the background music of this game ❤
Best original arrangement
True, I played the game on the Amiga but it's the C64 version that holds a soft spot when it comes to the music, they should have just had the C64 music on the Amiga version, I would have been happy with that.
That's because Rob Hubberd was a master for composing and arranging music for the Commodore 64.
@@federicocatelli8785 nope, just arrangement
Came here to say this. Although Instant Remedy did a fantastic remix of the Commando C64 Theme.
Thank you for the Closed Captioning explanations!
When you see the cpc464 straight after the arcade and the c64 you can easily see the CPC is the much better conversion, music alone doesn't save it from the brown terror 🤣🤣🤣
Btw whoever is playing these games is an absolute Commando beast 👏👏👏
Thanks, man. I've played them all, some of them dozens of times to get decent gameplay, and injured my thumb in the process hahaha.
@@retrosutra you have the patterns down to a T my man bravo 👏👏👏
It just a shame that 2 parts, the title screen, and the name entry look more like a zx spectrum title
A legendary Arcade classic game on
the Commodore 64 😺👍🕹️.
I even have the Atari 2600 version of this game for my PlayStation 2 in a compilation called ACTIVISION ANTHOLOGY.
😺👍🕹️
FINALLY OH MY GOD THANK YOU FOR FINALLY LISTENING TO MY COMMENTS!!!!!!!
by the way yes, i kept giving suggestions to make a video for this game!!
EDIT: by the way i feel like a life force/salamander video would be really cool.
All of them are definitive :D - mostly anyway - the C64 and Speccy versions are equally playable and impressive, even if you completely ignore the C64 music it still holds up... the speccy has almost Joffa Smith levels of slick. The 16-bit versions are good arcade conversions that you would expect... and all other versions seem to have tried their best. If I had to pick just 1 version though to ever play again, would have to be the C64.
The dos one is a complete turd...a CGA only game in 1988😱
Think the 7800 is pretty good for the hardware
@@federicocatelli8785 I think the intellivision version is amazeballs for the hardware.
16-bit Amiga and/or ST i might expect better ports
@@jasonlee7816
Sure I don't think they lost too much time over by the way it's far from awful
uhh man the c64 version looks much worse as i remembered but its sound is still epic for sure 😎😎
Yes, and I also think it's very playable.
I don't think it looks too bad, it's certainly better than most 8-bit ports
Its better than anything from its generation save the NES.
This brings back memories, I used to love playing this back in the day on the Commodore 64. I must admit that I preferred Rob Hubbard's sound track on the Commodore 64 over the arcade version.
There's another Atari 8-bit version using the VBXE upgrade and it may use the Stereo POKEY, too.
That was an epic presentation. You definitely have that game mastered.
The ZX Spectrum never fails to have wonderful sound 🔥🔥🔥
"Click tick tick click tick" is definitely a jam.
Lovely conversion back when it came out. Absolutely adored it as a game!
Nice touch in some versions with these palm trees blown by helicopter :)
If I had to choose one port of Commando, that would have to be the Atari 7800 version! The music sounds nice on that POKEY chip for the 7800 ProSystem!
We rarely see 7800 in these comparisons ....looks and sound nice a contender for the c64
Same, the C64 is good, it's a shame about the sfx cutting into the music whiles playing thought.
I think the Amiga version could have been a lot better with the hardware on hand and should more or less have been hardware perfect but with better music than the arcade version.
Then again, porting quality to home computers back then were all over the place, a lot of them being poor ports that don't take advantage of what the hardware can do, we saw a lot of that on the Amiga where many games, especially in the 80's were more or less ports of the ST version, which could have been much better if they used the custom chips.
No real comparison here, its the C64 game, one of those that defined the system. All other 8-bit versions are paling next to C64, although kudos to ZX128 for trying to interpret c64 music but not really getting close. Amiga and ST are solid Arcade-like clones.
Amiga/ST look/sound average ports
2600 version looks good for the hardware, wish I'd had it on there as a lad. I'd have had a blast!
The Acorn ports were seriously disappointing back then, a much better conversion could've been made.
I had this on the Commodore 16, talk about pants! The 64 version was OK but I loved the game so much i got an arcade cab. Still have the game PCB but the cabinet is long gone!
La versión NES tengo. Se juega genial con el control arcade NES. Saludos.
I understand the Space Invasion versions. West Germzny had some sort of thing regarding violence. Killing people wasnt allowed so had to turn the violence to aliens
I am surprised that the DOS version have that smooth scrolling, but the pallet is not the other one with green black, yellow and red , it could be more suitable fot that game
Had this for the CPC back in the day and thought it was pretty good .... until I played the C64 version, that is. The SID chip music is superb 👌
Why was there a ""Space Invasion"? Was that to appease those countries that didn't like a military/Earth Army theme?
In Germany you couldn't show people been killed in the media.
@@retrosutra That makes sense, they were still sore over WWII. So robots and aliens were not as morally problematic as human soldiers.
I didn't realize that the Rob Hubbard arrangement was used anywhere but the C64, but it's there on the CPC and PC Booter. The sprites on the 2600 are very impressive, beating out the INTV and MSX by a fair margin.
Muy buenos el de ZX Spectrum y Amiga. El arcade es uno de los más legendarios, una maravilla inolvidable.
Amiga Commando could've got a better port
Damn, the msx always punched so far above its weight. Imagine an msx2+ version! It would've been gold!
That's a lot of versions. One thing I like about the NES version is that you can apparently shoot in more than 8 directions.
2600 version is unbelieveable.
C64 ver in NTSC is a banger
Mi favorita es la de Spectrum, es la que tiene más personalidad.
Interesting, living in West Germany, I never heard of "Space Invasion" :)
The c64, and amstrad are ports of the zx spectrum!
Fuckin' good old days 🫡
Is the emulation acting up or are the versions for the Japanese home micros (MSX, Fujitsu, NEC) really that bad?
On a side note: Great sound on the Intellivision!
I compared to other videos and they look similar so I think that is not an emulation issue.
Te entretienes en pasarte un nivel de cada versión, que mérito 😂
I found a bug on the C-64 version back in the day, once you reached 99+ lives/granades on the counter, it put strange characters. Btw I could finish all levels without a single granade or loosing a life. I literally played it for days. I still play it every once in a while. I used to listen to the SID music file, but I lost it.
Amstrad CPC-Version is on TOP OF ALL!
C64 version was amazing!!
C64 would have been great if it had more than a few levels. The music still kicks bottom.
the fan made 2014 unofficial c64 remake near the end of the vid has all the mising levels the original doesnt have.
@@disasterincarnate Yep. Dodgy replacement tune, mine (although IIRC you can use the original). You do wonder sometimes how Chris Butler would have fared back on the day with a bit more time.
If this game had been a twin stick shooter it would have ruled!
How many versions of midnight resistance was there?
Damn! Is this the most ported game in the world? :/
Is it me or does Commando on the Jakks Pacific plug and play feel different?
I'm not talking about the music, but like, it feels like compared to the Arcade version, it's more difficult to aim your shots and the enemies are far more aggressive and the collision detection isn't on spot. Am I the only who feels that way?
I can easily get to the 1st boss on the Arcade and Atari 7800 version but I really struggle on this version..
Amiga version looks pretty good, but the music is dragging it down.
The game is from an age where developers sometimes did not get anything from Japan, no files or documentation at all. If they were lucky they might get the arcade board, but some had to visit the arcade and take some photographs, write down notes.
Good example of a game really botched from this lack of communication is Super C on the Amiga.
Only played Atari 7800 and NES versions. I like 7800 more. ZX Spectrum looks and sounds nice.
It plays really well too.
That C64 music tho.....
Los Graficos de la ZX Spectrum para lo que es la maquina, son buenisimos y sobre todo consistentes. Si es como jugar otro juego en un punto , pero la jugabilidad es muy superior a todas las demas lejos. Al dia de hoy lo sigo jugando y me parece una genialidad. Hasta pense en hacer un juego similar para celulares y venderlo.
La Version de BBC Micro es Oficial? Es realmente Vergonzosa , no puedo creer que Elite estuviera detras de eso!
Sí lo es sí... Hahaha.
@@retrosutra que opinas de lo demás que dije?
@@josemariapena4226 personalmente me gustó mucho la versión de ZX Spectrum. A nivel de jugabilidad, no me aventuraría a decir que es muy superior a los demás sistemas de 8-bits porque considero que sus contemporáneos se dejan jugar también muy bien, pero desde luego es excelente en este aspecto.
commando on PC ms dos.... never heard before this video.
That was a wacked thing where the first man was at 10,000, then every 500,000. The NA version where it was 10,000, then every 50,000 was more reasonable. What was the point scale in the Japan/World versions, a 25,000-50,000 bonus?
c64 all the way, the 2014 unofficial remake is even better, esp as you dont need the "new" music but can have it play the original which sounds better. the amiga versions music sounds disturbingly similar to ikari warriors, its kinda distracting.
True, actually I prefer the original music but I wanted to show this new feature of that version to give more variety to the video.
Does any that knows Japanese could translate what the 3rd screen on the Japanese Arcade say. I've been quite curious about it.
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Existe una versión para ZX Spectrum 128K con música AY
Jamas habia visto el hack Space Invasion y lo raro es que tambien este en C64 y Amstrad.
Fue la versión que lanzaron en Alemania porque estaba prohibido mostrar muertes de seres humanos en los medios, por lo que tengo entendido.
Looks like a clone of Rambo First Blood from the Sega Master System.
Omg everytime the system changed i got an ad. Now i understand needing to make money but come on that was rediculous.
The one complaint I have about Commando Arcade for the C64 is that they should have included an option to just have the arcade music with no sound effects. I appreciate that they tried to duplicate the arcade sound as closely as possible, but only using two sound channels for the music while reserving one for the sound effects, really makes the music sound kind of poor. Thankfully, you can have it play Rob Hubbard's iconic music instead.
i prefer C64 Commando
to have a different sound
1 audio channel for music
2 audio channel for sound
the music in the 2014 version was a one channel tune, not two. But yes, its nice as they keeped the original as well.
C64 version is severely limited with only 3 levels before looping
which is exactly why the 2015 c64 Commando Arcade SE was done. so now u can play the c64 version with 8 levels , the 'tween level animations and the helicopter.
do mercs comparison remake
No salieron, por obvias razones:
Capcom classic Remixed (PSP): mismo port de ps1
Capcom classic collection (PS2): sin cambios al port de ps1
Capcom arcade cabinet, stadium 1, y otros (PS3, PS4, Switch, Xbox 360/One): mismo port de arcade
C64 is the one ❤❤
What is a Jakks Pacific?
plug and play to TV games, dedicated small consoles containing just one or very few games built in
😱
5:20 Santa Claus?
Edit: 9:06 we kill astronauts?
Where’s the Intellivision version?
In the 31:32
@@retrosutra How silly of me.
No problem!
bua.. dificil comparativa y 1h, de todos modos y antes de que se me olvide , en el atari 7800 me has timado, te atraviesan balas y te explotan bombas al lado y no mueres.... Xd
A ver , es un clásico, complicado sacar las versiones, creo q el arcade es mejorable, pero en mi opinion, lo mejora la atari7800 y la nes al incluir los secretos y los powerups, pero gráficamente quedan muy lejos, por lo que haré 2 rankings.
8bit: Atari7800 -- nes -- commodore ( tiene lo mejor de spectrum y amstrad)
16bit : Arcade -- Amiga --
top1- El arcade. No sabía que había un modo ALIEN Xd,
Cabe destacar que el equipo para amstrad y spectrum fue el mismo, sin embargo el de commodore no tiene nada que ver, y la verdad es que esa version pinta muy bien, y no la infame de MSX. Dios que desastre.
Un abrazo y buen curro q te metiste.
Jajaja, te juro que no usé cheats en la versión de Atari 7800. Debe ser cosa de las colisiones del propio juego.
Ha sido efectivamente un vídeo jodido que me ha dejado secuelas físicas (me lesioné un dedo jugando) y psicológicas (ayer quise comenzar otro vídeo y solo tenía ganas de llorar xd).
Aunque ahora mismo odie este juego, me gusta cualquier versión que no sea la de PC, BBC Micro, Acorn Electron y PC88. Casi reviento el teclado de pura desesperación. Son de las pocas versiones donde tuve que hacer cortes en el gameplay porque tras decenas de intentos, no era capaz de hacer una partida decente. Y créeme que cuando digo "decenas" no es una exageración. Todo el metraje desechando para hacer este vídeo no cabría en mi disco duro xd.
@@retrosutra esas versiones son métodos de tortura inquisidoras. Te recomiendo y sugiero q para evitar futuras lesiones, intentes pillarte un mando de arcade, un stick de toda la vida. La experiencia mejorará, respecto al metraje perdido, mandaló al buzón de la peli THE ROOM 😁😁😁
¡Claro! Yo estaba usando el mando Logitech del submarino Titanic... (Bueno, en realidad un modelo más viejo). La cosa no podía acabar bien xd
For me the saturn version wins
Jugué al de Amstrad CPC y era un buen port aunque C64 tiene mejor audio por el chip SID
Amstrad = lazy ZX Spectrum port
Don't think so has more colors and has music i game@@jasonlee7816
C64 with zx spectrum scoreboard on both versions
Ufff...definitivamente la peor la J2ME. Es increíble que en móviles de la época con procesadores cientos de veces más rápidos que los disponibles en los micros de 8 bit tuviéramos que tragarnos tales truños debido al uso de Java en vez de un lenguaje compilado nativo. 🤦🏻♂️
I had the MSX version and it was a really bad port when compared to nes
Yeah so, the best are... MUSIC = C64... SFX = AMIGA... GFX = ARCADE, NES... GAMEPLAY = Intellivision :D... Effort = Atari 2600 (I mean seriously) and Spectrum
And the definitive version is... Sega Saturn. Obviously.
Saturn with Sound Remix on is the best version in my opinion.
What is good about ZX Spectrum Commando?
The Electron version was awful, could've done so much better
C64 soundtrack is timeless... long live the SID :)
Amiga soundtrack is just horrible - just like NEBULUS the C64 music is so much better, even though the Amiga sound chip could do so much more.
Amiga = lazy Atari ST port
Exactly, many Amiga games suffered from ST portitis Outrun for example@@jasonlee7816
Amiga/ST Commando badly coded, cut corners, deadline, incompetent, lazy, rushed
Not because you are saying it without proof that it is true. Those versions are actually good and faithfull to the arcade. Even if what you say could be true (though we don't know and care), these adaptation are nice. Another useless comment on RUclips.
@@julienbraudel7109Amiga Commando could look/sound better it does look/sound similar to the ST port i'm guessing a lazy ST remake if i buy (purchase) Amiga version in 1989/1990 i would care (expect) it is 70%, 80%, 90% better
Atari ST version is pleasing. 😁
were you pleased with the ST audio, graphics, music, sound, visuals?
@@jasonlee7816 Pretty much. Audio, music and sound: Pleasing. Graphics and visuals: Pleasing. Ergo: Pleasing. I am pleased.
@@jasonlee7816I've just watched it again, and I can confirm my pleasure in all visual and audio elements.
Amiga forever
Amiga Commando 👎
In Germany the player could not kill nazis, mmmmh ok 😂😂😂😂
This leads to bionic commando!
Love it 😁
The C64 soundtracks slap.😊