You said exactly what I came here to say. All Kamil had to do was fall down with his weight at the go. No way in hell he should have gotten to start that far forward. Not sure why Tobias wasn't complaining.
@@SergiuNw read my comment again, I dgaf about random comments when the people in the know are not saying a thing. How was Tobias not complaining then? He should be the first one. Complain about sitting on your ass with whole body below the table like some do. That looks f..g ridiculous.
@@middle-agedclimber this logic makes no sense. Why would the commentators bring light to something that might make the organization that pays them look bad? Tobias is ALWAYS the type to focus on what HE is doing, not his opponent, and that is to his detriment- he should have complained
He's a one trick pony, and that trick being getting into a false-start shoulder press position, that's how he beat Dave Chaffe, and the fact that refereeing in that match also was terrible.
Reffing wasnt clean here at all. They literally let Jablonski put his shoulder right forward and get his upper arm behind his lower arm. He was already set to to press immediately. Sporrong was already at start at a huge disadvantage.
Let’s let low hand top roll guys start in a low hand top roll. Like what in the world is this set up man he is already set up in a press horrible look for a fair match
I'm not really sure, looks to me like he just shrugged it of, since Kamil lifted his arm pretty close to Tobias, but hell, maybe he really just didn't see it :')
Kamils press is incredible, I don’t understand why everyone keeps trying to top roll him, only a low hook close to the wrist will work. Ermes did it to Jerry. You can’t let a flop pressers wrist get under your hand.
By the way I want to thank you Mr. Engin for all you do for this sport. I’ve recently become hooked and seeing how you’re involved and the work you do is amazing.
Blows my mind how the ppl watching the matchs, and not his opposition, refs, different organizations are the ones complaining... Jerry has a similar style, like just because yall dont understand it dont mean its "cheating", Even devon lost on left hand and didn't say Kamil was cheating or bs.... Not only is it disrespectful to Kamil but also disrespectful to the refs, event holders, competitors...
14:37 - I really like when the ref puts their hands on their hands and says "go" as they lift their hands away. Gives a clear indicator of when to go, but also it's very clear on the replay if it's an early start or not. In this case, the ref's hands were still on their hands WAY after Kamil went (going frame by frame). I would actually rewrite the rules to be that the real start is when the ref's hands are lifted (and they would also be required to say "go" at the same time). Some athletes would be better when they focus on the feel, and it might help the athletes on the side of the table that faces away from the ref, too. When you go frame-by-frame, there are moments where they jump the gun and not even the ref realises. Kamil vs Jerry would be craaazy.
While there are legitimate issues with Kamil getting an unfair start, it is hard to deny his side pressure power. He pinned Tobias out of strap, and at 22:32 we can see Tobias struggling hard to get out of Kamil side pressure. This dude is no joke, he is a threat to any outside pullers.
@@NeilAC78 It was side pressure that keeps Kamil's hand inside his shoulder. Without immense side pressure , Tobias would have ripped Kamil's hand open from his shoulder.
RUclips algorithm boosting comment 💪 ... i think people don't understand about how the shoulders are squared up, u can be squared up AND leaning to one side same time, that's ok. and then u look at 15:10 where they are both have their left shoulder twisted in, at the same time too, so maybe that makes it equal? seems like it's maybe an issue that should be clarified? and if something isn't being enforced, then that should be addressed as well. otherwise a very close match!
Everyone knows what kamil is going to do. All it takes is a good hook press to stop him. Ivan did it absolutely perfectly. If you top roll a flop wrist presser, you’re pulling right into his power. Of course Tobias lost this match because he’s a top roller. Muratov and Morozov would destroy kamil because they can actually hook. It’s not a secret. Everyone knows what’s coming 😂
so proud of my fellow Polander! not only achieving such greate hights and a big win in arm wrestling and lots of prize but he even SOMEHOW he managed to learn ENGLISH and believe me I know how hard that can be
I have to agree. Always impressed when guys can speak English as their second language. I wish I could speak two languages.. Well I can speak pretty good bs when I set my mind to it :)
Если бы они Яблонскому выравнивали кисть, не давали её проваливать на старте, то у него бы и не было возможности так заряжать плечо на старте. Судья должен следить чтобы кисть была ровная - ни согнутая, ни разогнутая. А то следят за сгибанием и не обращают внимания на разгибание.
hej bums if you know better why Tobias did not complain? Tobias also does not know the rules? of course referees knows shit about it. only internet experts know what's going on
I am by far no expert on arm-wrestling but Kamil absolutely did not have shoulders squared in every single match. He was basically touching other side of the table with his shoulders during setups. How refs did not catch it despite staring right at it just behooves me because with other competitors they make this big fuss over far less of a shoulder lean. Kamil literally had his back over the edge of the table, that's how far he was leaning and preloading for every match.
I don't know what some of you all are complaining about. Are we looking at the same match here?! Kamil's wrist was completely in a compromised position nearly every round. They even gave Tobias that 2nd point as a freebee. The advantages were nearly all for Tobias. Either way the referee was blind.
This is so stupid. How can kamil be given so much inside shoulder movement and help him setup for a press time and time again. This isn’t a win at all.
Kamil shoulder were relatively squared. His forearm was always out of shoulder line and clearly visible. It has more to with such a big man being able to get so tight and bring his arm so close and infront of his chest.
What's up with the refreeing? Why so inconsiderate? No checkup on replays no attention to small details such as how deep the shoulder is, whether the hand is curled in or not at the getgo, and so on. Please either fix that or get new referees, engin.
This is a bad joke. Kamiya starts from the go with a 100% shoulder press. How is that fair? Worst refereeing ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
please look kamil vs devon and than tell where you see more the early start
You said exactly what I came here to say. All Kamil had to do was fall down with his weight at the go. No way in hell he should have gotten to start that far forward. Not sure why Tobias wasn't complaining.
@@MikeB-fu1df i would say he wasn complaining cause that looks like its the rulebase cause they didn´t call that
He was actually pinned once doing that he won when he started square ,you got look closer bc the angle change is very fast on go .
This modality needs a VAR..
27:29
This is... not a fair starting position
WTF was that
What is the rule on that? Isn’t it legal as long as his shoulder not crossing or on the center?
@@TheIvan434 can you elaborate more on the shoulder square i can’t find any details or video and thanks for explaining.
27:27 and put the speed on 0,25 or 0,5 !This is just disgusting . Even worse than full blown kings move 😅
both ?
I don’t understand why the Refs let kamil’s shoulder be set even before the GO….. Smh
The refs are not complaining, commentators are not complaining, yet you - a random viewer - know better.😂 It was a great match showcasing 2 opposites.
@@middle-agedclimber I think the whole comment section is complaining, buddy, wake up..
@@SergiuNw read my comment again, I dgaf about random comments when the people in the know are not saying a thing. How was Tobias not complaining then? He should be the first one. Complain about sitting on your ass with whole body below the table like some do. That looks f..g ridiculous.
When he pull devon,his shoulder ready into press position,😅
@@middle-agedclimber this logic makes no sense. Why would the commentators bring light to something that might make the organization that pays them look bad? Tobias is ALWAYS the type to focus on what HE is doing, not his opponent, and that is to his detriment- he should have complained
Worst refereeing I’ve seen. Kamiya shoulder was way inside.
that's good, because it's the same way Larratt defeated Cadorette in WAL, with his shoulder 2 meters forward
@@SauronKarrattThis is not WAL
@@mansik4545 this is SPARTA!!!
True. Well spotted. That’s why Larratt needs his wife to shout for fouls.
His shoulders are just too big
10:17 this is the 'ONLY' time when kamil's shoulders were perfectly squared and he lost that round
you gotta do something with kamil's shoulder man otherwise he'll rip everyone apart except alizhan
@@gaming_x08 I know him from Poland. He has to much EGO, hope ref will change his start position soon....
Kamil starting already with flop wrist ist not fair, the wrist has to be strait at the start.
He's a one trick pony, and that trick being getting into a false-start shoulder press position, that's how he beat Dave Chaffe, and the fact that refereeing in that match also was terrible.
It's allow to bend your wrist back. IT should not be curled tho
@@ruslan7782It's not allowed, the wrist has to be strait at the start.
@@benn3819 no, the wrist CANNOT be cupped, but it CAN be flopped
@@tagsan3834 That is just not true. The wrist has to be strait not cupped or flopped, both is against the rules.
Poor Tobias was robbed. Incompetent referee. 😡
another coper. Translation of this gibberish = whaaaaaaaaa
The shoulder needs to be square. This guy was starting half way across the table.
Reffing wasnt clean here at all. They literally let Jablonski put his shoulder right forward and get his upper arm behind his lower arm.
He was already set to to press immediately. Sporrong was already at start at a huge disadvantage.
agree agree agree
Dude fr wtf
That shoulder already so committed…
In cheating
Jerry cadoret Jr.
He will beat him easy
Это позор, судейство вообще похер на то что Камил вставляет плечо, какой же бред
Не только плечо но и кисть у него уже заранее согнутая для борьбы в трицепс судейство на мыло
ABSOLUTLY
Грязная борьба, судейство ноль
Спасибо, я не особо шарю, теперь понятно что меня смутило, я еще подумал "а что так можно?"
Nogami toje jablonski
After this there will be less complaints about Sagov setup, because Kamil's is even more ridiculous
14:40 who the hell will square up the shoulders ?
Let’s let low hand top roll guys start in a low hand top roll. Like what in the world is this set up man he is already set up in a press horrible look for a fair match
10:01 Jamil got left hanging
Good. No need to h5 cheaters.
@@user-kt10kg7dickq23 Cause he is a cheater.
@@user-kt10kg7dickq23 Thank you captain obvious
@@mirkomarjanovic3234keep crying
Outragous the position they let Kamil start!
another coper. Translation of this gibberish = whaaaaaaaaa
Wow, love this match!🤩 Thanks to these 2 arm wrestlers and thank you Engin!👍
We need jerry Caddorette and Jablonski to battle it out now.
That match would never start
@@Lunarpollo5622 never end*
@Engin, did you agree with the refereeing? I would like to know your opinion
No nareszcie ile można czekać Panie Engin . Dziękuję za możliwość obejrzenia .
To kup PPV a nie cwaniakujesz biedaku.
Welcome Kamil ,such force. Great job from my swe brother too ,great mach
What is the purpose of touching their shoulder if it is not going back?
It's called incompetent ref
Brawo Kamil
Why the handshake disrespect at 10:02 ?
Probably didn't see it.
Super a lot
I'm not really sure, looks to me like he just shrugged it of, since Kamil lifted his arm pretty close to Tobias, but hell, maybe he really just didn't see it :')
@@Lagia7 he looked at him and skipped on purpose , since he was winning then . Went to Kamil when he lost.
@@preslaviliev6843
Lmao it really does look like it actually...
Very close match. Incredible. 💯
Polska górą 👍💪
Kamils press is incredible, I don’t understand why everyone keeps trying to top roll him, only a low hook close to the wrist will work. Ermes did it to Jerry. You can’t let a flop pressers wrist get under your hand.
By the way I want to thank you Mr. Engin for all you do for this sport. I’ve recently become hooked and seeing how you’re involved and the work you do is amazing.
Kamil= brock Lesnar+ schoolboy..a hybrid
😂
what type of armwrestling is this, even before the start his frame is already behind his hand
That happen when he pull devon,his shoulder and elbow ready to flop press😂
Are you kidding me!?!?!???!? Kamil shoulder is in Tobias jaw already before go lol
another coper. Translation of this gibberish = whaaaaaaaaa
Blows my mind how the ppl watching the matchs, and not his opposition, refs, different organizations are the ones complaining... Jerry has a similar style, like just because yall dont understand it dont mean its "cheating", Even devon lost on left hand and didn't say Kamil was cheating or bs.... Not only is it disrespectful to Kamil but also disrespectful to the refs, event holders, competitors...
14:37 - I really like when the ref puts their hands on their hands and says "go" as they lift their hands away. Gives a clear indicator of when to go, but also it's very clear on the replay if it's an early start or not. In this case, the ref's hands were still on their hands WAY after Kamil went (going frame by frame). I would actually rewrite the rules to be that the real start is when the ref's hands are lifted (and they would also be required to say "go" at the same time). Some athletes would be better when they focus on the feel, and it might help the athletes on the side of the table that faces away from the ref, too.
When you go frame-by-frame, there are moments where they jump the gun and not even the ref realises.
Kamil vs Jerry would be craaazy.
wtf is this match. the reff need to recheck both shoulder
Travis himself said Kamil will start at the pin pad lmaaaao
Quel match !!! Un régal !
Polska siła 💪
Яблонски все время нарушал правила...судей на мыло
haHAHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHA
Good job Kamil!!! Tobias too weak for you❤❤❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Travis cant say anyone's name right. He called my guy sporelong....LOL
Let's kick him out of the commentary place... And this disgusting voice. He called Prudnik---> Ivani, not Evgeny
Didnt skip anything cause we have 2 comentator that really knows their stuff
both overacting with typical American showevent voices which sounds fake.
Especially Travis's voice is disgusting. 🤮 I hate that voice.
I hope engin is readi g the comments
While there are legitimate issues with Kamil getting an unfair start, it is hard to deny his side pressure power. He pinned Tobias out of strap, and at 22:32 we can see Tobias struggling hard to get out of Kamil side pressure. This dude is no joke, he is a threat to any outside pullers.
He’s in a straight up flop wrist press hrrr what are you talking about
What do you mean 'side pressure'? He's using his body weight as a leverage advantage before the match even starts.
@@NeilAC78 It was side pressure that keeps Kamil's hand inside his shoulder. Without immense side pressure , Tobias would have ripped Kamil's hand open from his shoulder.
@@minhhale weirdo
The humerus of Jablonski is vertical when he starts...what happened with the shoulders square rule?
Судей на мыло, Яблонский фолит!!!
Having a match this close when your DEFINITELY getting the better positioning everytime is wild let’s go Tobias
T y Engin starting every new day with east vs west keep them rolling
Not a fair match for Tobias.. Kamil do this shit evertime
Kamil need to test a flop press of jerry cadorrette
RUclips algorithm boosting comment 💪 ... i think people don't understand about how the shoulders are squared up, u can be squared up AND leaning to one side same time, that's ok. and then u look at 15:10 where they are both have their left shoulder twisted in, at the same time too, so maybe that makes it equal? seems like it's maybe an issue that should be clarified? and if something isn't being enforced, then that should be addressed as well.
otherwise a very close match!
Этот ваш Kamil Jablonski полное говно! Борется как девочка! Позор, при такой массе, так позорно бороться, Тобиас, ты мужик, красавчик!
Если бы камиль боролся на руках, то проиграл бы в сухую 👎👎👎👎
Kamil 🔥
Kamil vs alizhan
22:30 insane from Tobias
What a great match!
Everyone knows what kamil is going to do. All it takes is a good hook press to stop him. Ivan did it absolutely perfectly. If you top roll a flop wrist presser, you’re pulling right into his power. Of course Tobias lost this match because he’s a top roller. Muratov and Morozov would destroy kamil because they can actually hook. It’s not a secret. Everyone knows what’s coming 😂
Tobias straight ignored Kamils handshake offer at 10:02 bad sportsmanship, karma paid off.
Kamil gets away with that setup at any federation he competes at. I don’t understand it. It’s a joke and not fun to watch.
Kamill vs jerry would be hilarious 🤣
Худшее судейство. плече Камила было почти на центре стола. Рефери почему то не выставляли правильно Камила, олени а не судьи.
so proud of my fellow Polander! not only achieving such greate hights and a big win in arm wrestling and lots of prize
but he even SOMEHOW he managed to learn ENGLISH and believe me I know how hard that can be
I have to agree. Always impressed when guys can speak English as their second language. I wish I could speak two languages.. Well I can speak pretty good bs when I set my mind to it :)
26:02 Neil we love You!
🙏🏼🤨☝️🔥❤️🔥
That happen when he pull devon,his shoulder almost ready to flop press from starting..😅
Tobias can easily speed Kamil with a fair start
I guess since jerry retired i am now cheering for kamil I love the flop press.
Mr.Bagent -" ... listen ... "
Kamil’s elbow position is outrageous. I mean that must be a foul within itself
Guys JERRY VS KAMILLLL
10:02 , Tobias not greeting when winning , but then when he lost the match , goes to shake hands....
pretty sure he just didnt see him
@@Vikingarmrestling have a closer look , he looks at Kamil , then at Kamil's arm and then looks away .
Если бы они Яблонскому выравнивали кисть, не давали её проваливать на старте, то у него бы и не было возможности так заряжать плечо на старте. Судья должен следить чтобы кисть была ровная - ни согнутая, ни разогнутая. А то следят за сгибанием и не обращают внимания на разгибание.
hej bums if you know better why Tobias did not complain? Tobias also does not know the rules? of course referees knows shit about it. only internet experts know what's going on
This is by far the best setup i ever seen...give this referees a rise
I am by far no expert on arm-wrestling but Kamil absolutely did not have shoulders squared in every single match. He was basically touching other side of the table with his shoulders during setups. How refs did not catch it despite staring right at it just behooves me because with other competitors they make this big fuss over far less of a shoulder lean. Kamil literally had his back over the edge of the table, that's how far he was leaning and preloading for every match.
I don't know what some of you all are complaining about. Are we looking at the same match here?! Kamil's wrist was completely in a compromised position nearly every round. They even gave Tobias that 2nd point as a freebee. The advantages were nearly all for Tobias. Either way the referee was blind.
22:32
Это не борьба, яблонскому плечо не выставили, голова висит над захватом, выставили бы яблонского правильно, он бу ни разу не выиграл
21:38 But Jablonski doesn't keep his distance, or is he that wide?
Very good for Tobias Sporrong
Tobias is by far better armwrestler and stronger, Kamil always using his shoulder because with his bicep can do shit.
Kamil is the Best 😎💪💪💪💪☝️☝️☝️☝️
Man that was some weird starting positions from kamil and some bad reffing but I can't say that either of them showed great sportsmanship.
Square Kamil up and straighten his wrist! 😂
Tobias was robbed. Kamil had his shoulder in ready for the press every time. horrible job from the referees.
The new Jerry Dadorette 🎉
Kamilin yaptığı bilek güreşi bile değil. Omuz güreşi
This is so stupid. How can kamil be given so much inside shoulder movement and help him setup for a press time and time again. This isn’t a win at all.
Wow that Joblonski is way way over the middle of the table how can that be legal according to the rules??
Kamil vs alizhan
Tobias vs dzheranov
Devon vs the checen 100 backpressure curl iso
This would be good
Square jablonski up! These refs are scared of him or something. Can’t start coiled in like that
Well, Kamil is a good opponent for Alizhan next left arm match. I want to see how Alizhan deal with pressing style opponent.
We saw what Matyushenko did to Kamil on the right arm. Alizhan it's basically the same but on the left and even more powerful so Kamil it's f***ed
Travis is still The King!
💪 🤴
Kamil was able to set up preloaded for the press...same way he did with devon larrat. Bad refing
Kamil was allowed to start with his shoulder in ready to press position. With square shoulders Tobias would have a chance with his quuickness
Kamil shoulder were relatively squared. His forearm was always out of shoulder line and clearly visible.
It has more to with such a big man being able to get so tight and bring his arm so close and infront of his chest.
Kamil is the poland Jerry Cadorette
What's up with the refreeing? Why so inconsiderate? No checkup on replays no attention to small details such as how deep the shoulder is, whether the hand is curled in or not at the getgo, and so on. Please either fix that or get new referees, engin.
If the referees didn't see the wrist or shoulder, it's not on the wrestler
Еблански посильнее оказался и связки более мощьные.