How lovely to see a surviving 4SUB, I remember travelling on them between Norbury and East Croydon where I worked at Southern House for BR SR or up to London. Thank you for sharing, best of luck with the restoration Project, pity you haven't a 4BIL or 4LAV as well.
From 1967 to 1972 I used to catch these trains from Maidstone East to Victoria station 3 times a year to get back home from school for the holidays. You had to make sure you got in one that had a loo on it as you could not go from carriage to carriage. They also had smoking and non-smoking carriages. Once, having arrived late we jumped into a carriage and as the train drew off we were scolded by a very irate woman.. that's when I discovered that it was a Ladies only carriage!
Great video and good to see that this unit is receiving some love. What a pity that the two surviving carriages of unique 4DD are not being so fortunate.
Hehe I remember that train so well, can't say anything but in my teen years rode that whenever possible including when it was running to and from Gravesend making for a lovely day out with me girlfriend. Funny too is that I featured in Hornby's magazine some years prior as they gave me a personal guided tour in that factory, was only 11 and so fond of those memories. In 84-85 I serviced the 4SUB's requirements at Waterloo, so if you ever saw a gangling lad trudging to and fro with a trolley loaded with boxes of Palmolive soaps, paper towels, several lit lamps etc that was me as I had to be up for the incoming Exeter train then over the other side to do the west London SUBs. In the 70's I used to go to school on a 4SUB, now these were rare couple of units that ran out of plat 8 which had still the corridor compartment coaches still in place and a loo too, fun sitting in what was first class downgraded but they got scrapped.
Think that the SUB was repainted in 87 prior to Lovers Walk Open Day and later appearance at Thanet Gala day the same year when is used to shuttle visitors to and from Ramsgate, I was one of the organisers for the event being based at Ramsgate as a Driver. In 1982, 4732 was dumped in Hither Green Continental sidings, withdrawn, along with many of her sisters, it was dragged out and went to Selhurst for a repaint, next thing she was back in traffic , and as I said again in 87 she got another repaint. Saw it arrive at Margate 1:1, I used to work in that goods inwards building when I left the railway in 93 Used to see 4732 all over the place, especially Waterloo in the 80s, she
To me emus come well down on the list of railway vehicles for preservation. ButSOME examples should be. Well done and more power to your elbow to complete this project.
Unlikely due 3rd rail nowadays is 750volts not 660. Also so much would need to be changed it would affect the originality. Cosmetically it needs 50k per coach before you get to the mechanical side of things
660v dc was always inner London suburban voltage, hence 60 mph speed limit, once out the catchment it was 750v dc, the SUBs permanently kept within catchment area, once she was classed as a celebrity unit and had restrictions she could run on 750v dc but wasn't permitted to run overspeed, it still had to be kept to 60mph everywhere she went, usually accompanied with the 2 BIL too
A train like that could not be built today- it has comfortable seating and windows alongside the seats. Happy memories.
How lovely to see a surviving 4SUB, I remember travelling on them between Norbury and East Croydon where I worked at Southern House for BR SR or up to London. Thank you for sharing, best of luck with the restoration Project, pity you haven't a 4BIL or 4LAV as well.
Wicked, I wish you all the best with this project.
From 1967 to 1972 I used to catch these trains from Maidstone East to Victoria station 3 times a year to get back home from school for the holidays. You had to make sure you got in one that had a loo on it as you could not go from carriage to carriage. They also had smoking and non-smoking carriages. Once, having arrived late we jumped into a carriage and as the train drew off we were scolded by a very irate woman.. that's when I discovered that it was a Ladies only carriage!
That would be 2 HAP stock or 2/4 EPB, the 4 SUB units didn't run on the South Eastern as far as I can recollect?
Great video and good to see that this unit is receiving some love. What a pity that the two surviving carriages of unique 4DD are not being so fortunate.
Had a ride on 4732 years ago. Paired up with another gem. The 2-BIL 2090.
Good to see that railway preservation seems to be very healthy, would be good to see it running again
Hehe I remember that train so well, can't say anything but in my teen years rode that whenever possible including when it was running to and from Gravesend making for a lovely day out with me girlfriend. Funny too is that I featured in Hornby's magazine some years prior as they gave me a personal guided tour in that factory, was only 11 and so fond of those memories. In 84-85 I serviced the 4SUB's requirements at Waterloo, so if you ever saw a gangling lad trudging to and fro with a trolley loaded with boxes of Palmolive soaps, paper towels, several lit lamps etc that was me as I had to be up for the incoming Exeter train then over the other side to do the west London SUBs. In the 70's I used to go to school on a 4SUB, now these were rare couple of units that ran out of plat 8 which had still the corridor compartment coaches still in place and a loo too, fun sitting in what was first class downgraded but they got scrapped.
Think that the SUB was repainted in 87 prior to Lovers Walk Open Day and later appearance at Thanet Gala day the same year when is used to shuttle visitors to and from Ramsgate, I was one of the organisers for the event being based at Ramsgate as a Driver.
In 1982, 4732 was dumped in Hither Green Continental sidings, withdrawn, along with many of her sisters, it was dragged out and went to Selhurst for a repaint, next thing she was back in traffic , and as I said again in 87 she got another repaint. Saw it arrive at Margate 1:1, I used to work in that goods inwards building when I left the railway in 93
Used to see 4732 all over the place, especially Waterloo in the 80s, she
To me emus come well down on the list of railway vehicles for preservation. ButSOME examples should be. Well done and more power to your elbow to complete this project.
when we built Trains...
503 dies so 4-SUB lives, it seems.
503?
@@angelsone-five7912 Class 503, used on Merseyside.
hi there, never knew this train exsited.this is great.i remember these in the 60s as a child, will it run again ?
Unlikely due 3rd rail nowadays is 750volts not 660. Also so much would need to be changed it would affect the originality. Cosmetically it needs 50k per coach before you get to the mechanical side of things
660v dc was always inner London suburban voltage, hence 60 mph speed limit, once out the catchment it was 750v dc, the SUBs permanently kept within catchment area, once she was classed as a celebrity unit and had restrictions she could run on 750v dc but wasn't permitted to run overspeed, it still had to be kept to 60mph everywhere she went, usually accompanied with the 2 BIL too