I like how 'you just aren't understanding my feelings' is only a valid argument in one direction in any gender discourse, any time men say pretty much anything it's 'you need to listen to women more and think about what they say until you eventually realize they're right and you need to change your feelings to fit theirs' My first memory in my entire life is my mother telling me men are dangerous rapists and to never talk to one if I got lost, and the two neurons connecting in my brain when I realized I was, myself, a tiny man who was being indirectly implicated shocked me into self-consciousness. The guilt by association is something I think every guy feels wounded by at some point and I've never seen it accepted in good faith without the other person trying to argue them out of it and tell them why they're 'not all mening' or something.
Of all the things I could say, "The guilt by association is something I think every guy feels wounded by at some point"; you go on ahead and speak for yourself. Thanks. I don't "feel attacked" by my mom telling me she was r*ped and m*lested. I feel sad. And angry. You can keep your bitter insecurities as a product of your own weak psyche, no need to project it onto me "any time men say pretty much anything it's 'you need to listen to women more and think about what they say until you eventually realize they're right and you need to change your feelings to fit theirs' " Aah, yes, every time I pay my phone bill the automated voice always calls me scum. I wish I knew how to address this very real problem. The plight of the man. Aah! To live in a better world.........
@@slipknot95maggot You are proving his point. He didn't say he felt hurt or guilty from anyone being abused, he said he felt hurt from his mother implying he was a bad guy just for the sin of being male. You instantly chose to disregard and twist his words and feelings in such a malicious fashion that it's sickening. HE WAS A CHILD! Say what you just said to the next little boy right when he shares feelings of depression when his mother makes him feel like a monster for just being born.
The spiteful male equivalent of the man or bear discussion would be “spend the weekend with a random woman or spend a weekend on horseback?” Since women are pleasant, picking to ride on horseback would be spiteful instead of the “pleasant or danger” but that’s just my two quarter since two cents aren’t what it used to be 😢
How I look at it is I get saying the man vs bear thing to send a message to men and I'm not going to argue about it with a woman. But realistically if no one is watching you and you pick the bear..idk if I agree with that decision in a practical scenario. The discourse probably did work in the sense of sending a message to men tho.
I did not consider any of the reasons you listed for women. Since women are naturally higher in anxiety, I thought that it was a sincere belief from anxiety. I appreciate the insight The reasons you listed for men are kinda melodramatic, my reaction (and I think most men) was annoyance at such a bad assessment. Kinda like how you feel insulted if someone assumes something negative about you that you know not to be true
The bear, by necessity, is in it's home The man, by necessity, is there for a reason you don't know Bears are not monsters. Humans can be This is objective I love the we dominated the planet and are destroying everything but bears are more dangerous. Bears at most chase you down 'cuz they want you out. Most bears aren't even Grizzly's which is all anybody ever imagines in their head, 'cuz they have an association that bears are monsters. So are ants. They eat things alive. Bears aren't monsters, they're just bigger than you, maybe. If you could run faster they'd just chase you away and give up pretty quickly. Bears do not have a desire to catch you. A human MIGHT. Every man shouting about this is taking it as a personal attack. I understand you [might] not "be more dangerous {to a woman} than a bear". But you are the only of the two creatures that COULD HYPOTHETICALLY have a specific desire to catch her. The fact that you say [sitting in front of your computer] that you don't and therefore *get offended* by a woman *who you know doesn't know you* saying she's *betting on the one she KNOWS doesn't actually DESIRE TO CATCH HER*, is exactly part of the problem; That you can't understand that the fact that "it's not you" is not an attack on the morality of the psyche of the woman WHO DOESN'T KNOW THAT; that woman can be attacked not only physically and s3xually but also "be attacked" for A REASONABLE OBSERVATION OF THEIR SAFETY MOVING FORWARD. They can't even half playfully express a desire to stay away from s3xual abuse without it turning into a cultural mania. Bears will NEVER do that. The incredulity at how absurd you think this argument is was your second clue that you misunderstood it. Everybody knows bears can hurt you more effectively [without a weapon, in this, the land of concealed weapons...........................], the problem is not which one can hurt you faster, it's which one could WANT to hurt you and which one only ever wants you to get tf away [or give it your food]. I'd love to repeat one last time, NOT ALL BEARS ARE GRIZZLY'S, you can literally scare off black bears, and a ton of bears are like the size of medium dogs. Maybe if you said man vs GRIZZLY OR POLAR bear, then the dynamic of this would change slightly. But you said bear. And all of the kind of men who are shouting about this are the kind of men who will only ever picture a Grizzly 'cuz they fancy themselves edgelords and they talk about fighting animals all day every day so they default to Grizzly which IN THEIR MIND is a "monster bear" thus tickling their edgelordness as they "size it up." A female spectacled bear is only about 150lbs. And it's the bear to which your mind might default if you live near the Andes Mountain range. But no man will consider that when they shout about this dumb vague meme. A Panda bear can be as small, AS AN ADULT, as 4ft. Sloth bears can be like 200lbs and TWO FEET TALL and about four and a half feet long. A sun bear weighs AT MOST 140lbs. Many bears that live close to humans will ALTER THEIR SLEEP CYCLE TO *BECOME NOCTURNAL* TO AVOID HUMANS. NOT ALL BEARS ARE GRIZZLY BEARS. YOU ONLY HEARING THIS THROUGH THE LENS OF A HUNGRY AND ANGRY MOTHER GRIZZLY PROTECTING HER CHILDREN, AND AGAIN, BEING HUNGRY, IS SOMETHING THAT ONLY HAPPENS IN YOUR HEAD. SOME BEARS ARE THE SIZE OF DOGS. Fatal bear attacks on humans are like 30 PER DECADE Fatal human attacks on humans, I'm not going to try to count all those kthx Fun fact: OTHER ANIMALS LIVE IN THE FOREST WITH BEARS IF YOU COULD RUN FASTER YOU'D SEE THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO GET YOU AWAY You all need to stop thinking of animals as monsters. They aren't. It's just a fuccing bear. It lives in the forest, WITH OTHER CREATURES. I don't care about the social s3xual dynamic. I approach this from team animals. A bear is fine. And statistically a Grizzly is prolly not the bear you're encountering. They only live on one continent. Most humans in the world who could encounter a bear CAN NOT encounter a Grizzly. And none of you mfs are running into Polar bears in the woods; so stfu. A majority of the humans who can consider this argument will think first of sun bears or panda bears or something like that. YOU considering a GRIZZLY vs a man is the STATISTICAL MINORITY in the human experience. Next time remember that some of the bears people are thinking of when you ask this ARE TWO FEET TALL TOPS [okay, like 2ft 4 tops]
@@saltinecracker4081 Do feel free to explain. As far as I can tell you're implying bears don't live in forests...? Do call me dumb by all means but I've no idea what you're on about
I like how 'you just aren't understanding my feelings' is only a valid argument in one direction in any gender discourse, any time men say pretty much anything it's 'you need to listen to women more and think about what they say until you eventually realize they're right and you need to change your feelings to fit theirs'
My first memory in my entire life is my mother telling me men are dangerous rapists and to never talk to one if I got lost, and the two neurons connecting in my brain when I realized I was, myself, a tiny man who was being indirectly implicated shocked me into self-consciousness. The guilt by association is something I think every guy feels wounded by at some point and I've never seen it accepted in good faith without the other person trying to argue them out of it and tell them why they're 'not all mening' or something.
Of all the things I could say, "The guilt by association is something I think every guy feels wounded by at some point"; you go on ahead and speak for yourself. Thanks. I don't "feel attacked" by my mom telling me she was r*ped and m*lested. I feel sad. And angry. You can keep your bitter insecurities as a product of your own weak psyche, no need to project it onto me
"any time men say pretty much anything it's 'you need to listen to women more and think about what they say until you eventually realize they're right and you need to change your feelings to fit theirs' "
Aah, yes, every time I pay my phone bill the automated voice always calls me scum. I wish I knew how to address this very real problem. The plight of the man. Aah! To live in a better world.........
@@slipknot95maggot You are proving his point. He didn't say he felt hurt or guilty from anyone being abused, he said he felt hurt from his mother implying he was a bad guy just for the sin of being male.
You instantly chose to disregard and twist his words and feelings in such a malicious fashion that it's sickening.
HE WAS A CHILD! Say what you just said to the next little boy right when he shares feelings of depression when his mother makes him feel like a monster for just being born.
Must be a Freudian slip; talking about weak psyche.
What are you even on about with that 2nd paragraph?
@@slipknot95maggot
stream starts at 9:30
There are dozens of us! DOZENS! I mostly listen anyways, i wouldn't have noticed that chat was gone if you hadn't said anything
2:09:03 hunger… and fear…
F E A R a n d H U N G E R? (The game has been on my mind for a bit)
Some bears are more dangerous than others.
25:16 so cute😭😭💚
The spiteful male equivalent of the man or bear discussion would be “spend the weekend with a random woman or spend a weekend on horseback?” Since women are pleasant, picking to ride on horseback would be spiteful instead of the “pleasant or danger” but that’s just my two quarter since two cents aren’t what it used to be 😢
How I look at it is I get saying the man vs bear thing to send a message to men and I'm not going to argue about it with a woman. But realistically if no one is watching you and you pick the bear..idk if I agree with that decision in a practical scenario. The discourse probably did work in the sense of sending a message to men tho.
Thank you sleepy, I like listening to these vods after a work out, helps center myself
Oh my gosshh, sleepy's talking to herself!
I did not consider any of the reasons you listed for women. Since women are naturally higher in anxiety, I thought that it was a sincere belief from anxiety. I appreciate the insight
The reasons you listed for men are kinda melodramatic, my reaction (and I think most men) was annoyance at such a bad assessment. Kinda like how you feel insulted if someone assumes something negative about you that you know not to be true
Ooh my gosh Sleepy's talking to herself
Just wanted to validate you
2:39:24 sleepy is a witch confirmed, wooden body and all
Anybody got timestamps for main topics? This is a long video to sift through
2:06:20 for the man/bear discourse
Around the 2:00:00 mark
I got chu fam
0:00
I listen at work, so I never can see what chat is saying 😅😛🤷♂️
Sleepy is so sweet, sensible, smart and pretty. How is that even possible?
4:03:50 ideal male body 🥰
love ya, sleepy girl
Good stream 🎉
The bear, by necessity, is in it's home
The man, by necessity, is there for a reason you don't know
Bears are not monsters. Humans can be
This is objective
I love the we dominated the planet and are destroying everything but bears are more dangerous. Bears at most chase you down 'cuz they want you out. Most bears aren't even Grizzly's which is all anybody ever imagines in their head, 'cuz they have an association that bears are monsters. So are ants. They eat things alive. Bears aren't monsters, they're just bigger than you, maybe. If you could run faster they'd just chase you away and give up pretty quickly. Bears do not have a desire to catch you. A human MIGHT. Every man shouting about this is taking it as a personal attack. I understand you [might] not "be more dangerous {to a woman} than a bear". But you are the only of the two creatures that COULD HYPOTHETICALLY have a specific desire to catch her. The fact that you say [sitting in front of your computer] that you don't and therefore *get offended* by a woman *who you know doesn't know you* saying she's *betting on the one she KNOWS doesn't actually DESIRE TO CATCH HER*, is exactly part of the problem; That you can't understand that the fact that "it's not you" is not an attack on the morality of the psyche of the woman WHO DOESN'T KNOW THAT; that woman can be attacked not only physically and s3xually but also "be attacked" for A REASONABLE OBSERVATION OF THEIR SAFETY MOVING FORWARD. They can't even half playfully express a desire to stay away from s3xual abuse without it turning into a cultural mania. Bears will NEVER do that. The incredulity at how absurd you think this argument is was your second clue that you misunderstood it. Everybody knows bears can hurt you more effectively [without a weapon, in this, the land of concealed weapons...........................], the problem is not which one can hurt you faster, it's which one could WANT to hurt you and which one only ever wants you to get tf away [or give it your food]. I'd love to repeat one last time, NOT ALL BEARS ARE GRIZZLY'S, you can literally scare off black bears, and a ton of bears are like the size of medium dogs. Maybe if you said man vs GRIZZLY OR POLAR bear, then the dynamic of this would change slightly. But you said bear. And all of the kind of men who are shouting about this are the kind of men who will only ever picture a Grizzly 'cuz they fancy themselves edgelords and they talk about fighting animals all day every day so they default to Grizzly which IN THEIR MIND is a "monster bear" thus tickling their edgelordness as they "size it up." A female spectacled bear is only about 150lbs. And it's the bear to which your mind might default if you live near the Andes Mountain range. But no man will consider that when they shout about this dumb vague meme. A Panda bear can be as small, AS AN ADULT, as 4ft. Sloth bears can be like 200lbs and TWO FEET TALL and about four and a half feet long. A sun bear weighs AT MOST 140lbs. Many bears that live close to humans will ALTER THEIR SLEEP CYCLE TO *BECOME NOCTURNAL* TO AVOID HUMANS. NOT ALL BEARS ARE GRIZZLY BEARS. YOU ONLY HEARING THIS THROUGH THE LENS OF A HUNGRY AND ANGRY MOTHER GRIZZLY PROTECTING HER CHILDREN, AND AGAIN, BEING HUNGRY, IS SOMETHING THAT ONLY HAPPENS IN YOUR HEAD. SOME BEARS ARE THE SIZE OF DOGS.
Fatal bear attacks on humans are like 30 PER DECADE
Fatal human attacks on humans, I'm not going to try to count all those kthx
Fun fact: OTHER ANIMALS LIVE IN THE FOREST WITH BEARS
IF YOU COULD RUN FASTER YOU'D SEE THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO GET YOU AWAY
You all need to stop thinking of animals as monsters. They aren't. It's just a fuccing bear. It lives in the forest, WITH OTHER CREATURES. I don't care about the social s3xual dynamic. I approach this from team animals. A bear is fine. And statistically a Grizzly is prolly not the bear you're encountering. They only live on one continent. Most humans in the world who could encounter a bear CAN NOT encounter a Grizzly. And none of you mfs are running into Polar bears in the woods; so stfu. A majority of the humans who can consider this argument will think first of sun bears or panda bears or something like that. YOU considering a GRIZZLY vs a man is the STATISTICAL MINORITY in the human experience. Next time remember that some of the bears people are thinking of when you ask this ARE TWO FEET TALL TOPS [okay, like 2ft 4 tops]
Ironic this was about bears and their homes because you missed the forest for the fucking trees my guy
@@saltinecracker4081 Do feel free to explain. As far as I can tell you're implying bears don't live in forests...? Do call me dumb by all means but I've no idea what you're on about