Cheap eBay illuminated panel push button.
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- Опубликовано: 26 мар 2019
- Another of the many cheap industrial components available from China via eBay. These are commonly available because they are so widely used in Chinese factories.
This one is an illuminated panel mounting momentary action push button with separate normally closed and normally open contacts. It is designed to fit through an industry standard 22mm hole.
Although intended for 220V use it will operate at 110V too at slightly reduced intensity.
I didn't spot the 1 Megohm discharge resistor hiding underneath the capacitor to avoid tingles from the lamp contacts when the lamp is de energized.
To adapt the lamp to 12V AC or DC you could replace the capacitor with a wire link. For 24V AC or DC you could replace the capacitor with another 1K resistor.
These cheap clone industrial components are fine for DIY or prototyping, but in an actual factory environment It's probably better to go for recognised brands for liability and reliability reasons.
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Thumbs up for the Granny story, Bless Her heart!
She'll fit right in my family, we are a bunch of mad folks
Nice name drop.
To be fair, she'd probably have liked it more if she could hear the words. I mean this not ironically.... Old people were young people not very long ago :)
@@TheChipmunk2008
My grandmother used to smoke weed back in the day. I still think she would blush at a minimum at the thought of a dominatrix and bondage.
BigClive, supporting Right To Repair from across the pond!
Right to repair is government overreach.
Let me engineer it the way I want to.
The market will sort itself out.
If they don't like it, they won't buy it.
What a load of rubbish, nothing to do with overreach at all.
@@xRepoUKx how is the goverent telling you how you HAVE to engineer your products not an overreach?
@@f123raptor and sometimes the reason a company has chosen not to support a product anymore is much deeper than you think.
Ask NASA for some 4004 it's and see what you get
@@f123raptor Okay.
I didn't find what you presumed...
Aww, Clive's Nana pretended she couldn't hear the song to save him from embarrassment. If it were my mum she would have been singing it all the way home on the bus.
My thought as well.
My mom would as well :)
story checks out, source my grandma's stripper name would have been "chesty larue" so she claims.
Black leather gators & pifco vibrators, Gigantic beds with unbreakable springs, these are a few of my favourite things ! lol!
Your hearing is perfect and your memory is good.
He remembered the words exactly.
I actually think these industrial components teardowns are the most interesting. I demand more.
The two best are industrial, and deathdatptors
The Steampunk
The Steampunk
@Ungregistered User The reviews and tear-downs of bad design stuff are the most interesting.
"Ok, if you don't want me to repair my QuickTest myself, send me an entire new replacement unit."
Wait and see... Bad customer service like that is just begging for some outfit in mainland China to make a clone of it. Either the key or whole unit.
If they won't replace a part, clearly someone should post replacement parts to thingiverse. Might as well post all the bits just in case...
@@misterhat5823 CPC did have a clone, seems to have been discontinued within a year however www.easyflip.co.uk/CPC_Catalogue/?page=861
I specifically never mentioned the clone. I prefer to support that last few remaining British products.
@@bigclivedotcom Clive, do you remember the older version, with the metal clips and no Neon...? I have two, one of them branded RS ! I recall one fitted to a clare safety tester at work in the late 80s (before such things were called 'pat testers' by people unversed in elimination of redundancy).
"Only technical people are going to use the Cliff QuickTest."
Well, not anymore, if that's how they're going to treat their customers.
Big Wang Bai - professional Switch supplier in China is an oxymoron. Peddle your cheap wares somewhere else.
@@HyperVectra Big Wang Bai is from American Dad.
These are the chinese copy of E.A.O's 704 series switches, that the british railway network use for most of their train cab controls. if you were interested :)
I really dislike when companies don't support their own hardware or customers... if it's a fault with the product, support the darn product; if the customer broke something, provide the ability to purchase a solution at reasonable prices. It's not rocket science. Don't do an Apple... A life long happy customer is worth so much more than the 30 seconds it takes you to respond to a simple request.
I really hate it when companies buy cheap alternatives as they dont want to spend the money on the expensive quality items and buy cheaper alternatives, then wonder why they fail or dont last long. then throw their toys out of their pram.
@Undefined Lastname I wanted one, but it was too expensive for me, so I made my own out of wood, alligator clips and brass contacts from the inside of a plug socket. Works great and I only spent about $2.
"Don't do an Apple." - DigitalSparky, 2019
Well said! 👍
"Dominatrix walks in with a whip" caught me off guard lmfao
Next up, pifco vibrator taken to bits.
who's bits, I have no idea.
Bahahahaha
#CliffSendThatManAButton!
Also about video: it's nice button for small projects, maybe it's not some perfect heavy duty stuff but it's better than some other I saw...
@@appleejack Sometimes these small companies don't quite understand how close knit a lot of these communities are. A while back there was some shenanigans going on with a piece of software called Ham Radio Deluxe, and everyone basically dropped it like Linus
@@ShinyMajor nice LTT joke on the end there ;)
@@ShinyMajor "Never have worse customer service than china" is words to live by.
'if you get a spudger, and you spudge, you can ping...'
I'll own up to it, I enjoy having your videos on in the background as a sort of audio podcast.
Thank you for posting. Was trying to figure out how to remove the switch. Your video was spot on. Always fixing Chinese parts.
It looks like there is a smaller discharge resistor under the capacitor....
There was. 1 megohm.
Great autopsy, this modulair principle has been around for decades. I have Siemens push button switches from the 1970's with exactly the same set up N.O. / lamp / N.C. can be modified to whatever combo you want.
If someone with a Quicktests want to send me a scaled photo of the button, along with dimensions, I would be happy to model up a new button and put on thingiverse.
I love your videos and the way you explain things.
I've used a similar switch, in 22mm and 30mm, for projects building test fixtures in a software test lab. The sw engineers and the safety set loved them, and they come from automation direct for under 20 usd. Easy to rig the switching behavior you need, and never had reliability issues. Not very compact, but they fit to NEMA enclosures like a charm.
It's funny Mr Clive you actually remember the lyrics to that song.. LoL
I guess he went back a couple of times without his Gran :-)
What a nice switch for one of a kind applications. I could realize a 6PDT with no problem.
It's a semi-clone of the EAO series 04: the panel mounting method is different, but the contact block is virtually identical.
Found one of these on my new Chinese lawnmower. A low branch smashed it so I had to find a new key lock assembly to fit it which I got from another unit like the one you are analysing. My switch had 2 green plungers whereas yours has one red & one green. Works fine now.
13:17 Wonderful hilarious personal story in the middle of a technical review... one of the many reasons I'm thankful you're on RUclips.
Instantly had Jane Morgan tune in my head when you starting singing that hilarious story!
These look identical to some EAO (swiss made) pushbuttons I've had for decades. The front end is a little different (there are many variants), but the contact section looks like an exact copy.
I used a couple for the doorbell and light switch at the garden gate, the waterproof version, and they have never given me any trouble in the weather.
Nice video. I like it better when you do comparisons with similar legitimate products.
That modular design is very cool.
the antiparallel mounting of the LEDs makes the circuit simpler because it prevents the non-lit reverse biased LED from being damaged when it otherwise would need to block a major part of the grids peak ac voltage.
Grans can be the best thing to put a smile on your face sometimes. It reminds me of when I had just gotten my license to drive, or perhaps just a learners permit, was taking mine out to dinner with mom, granny was in the back seat and I had a new Metallica tape in (mid 90s), and mom tells me I should put on different music orturn it down right as grandma leans up and says, "this sure is pretty song can you turn it up just a little bit I don't want to have to adjust my hearing aid"
I was planning to order one of the testers, more I'll wait. Thanks!
Great video Clive
Good to know. You managed to find one with a built-in LED. About 10 years ago I was looking for a similar switch for my woodshop that would turn on a 120 volt circuit with one set of contacts and a 240 volt circuit from a step-up transformer with the other, and both would go off when the button was pushed. I also wanted a red LED to come on when the switch was live but none of the Chinese switches at that time came with one. Combining two switches into one to get the two NO contacts was the easy part. The LED took some more thought, but I fixed it by burying an old 5V cellphone charger inside the switch box and using it to power the LED along with a 100 ohm resistor to limit the current. A bit of overkill, perhaps, but I saved the time and cost of having to build a resistive/capacitive circuit just to power one little old LED on the full 120 volts.
I also saw a 1 MegaOhm bleed resistor across the capacitor.
You guys can see so much more than I can in HD. It is indeed 1M.
Jaycar stopped doing the resistance wheels last year. Drove us absolutely mad as we would sell a fair few a month to trade and home gamers alike. Useful if you want to a test and experiment circuits.
Imagine the surge right now- I didn’t know it existed and would now be looking. With a bunch of other viewers I’m sure.
I've had to deal with switches like this many times in a professional environment with imported machines from numerous customers. The most common fault I've come across is the spring contact breaking in half. Always replaced with Schneider gear (no affiliation) , besides being modular, it is reliable. I was once and S&S user, but personally prefer the Schneider stuff.
More granny stories plz
Also, tear downs are cool too
I bought some of these after watching the video, and I noticed that the type shown (with one normally open contact and one normally closed) don't actually switch at the same instant (you can hear this at 6:57 when only one of the contacts actuates). However after testing with a few switches, it always seems to be the NC contact that breaks first, and the NO contact is made second, with the reverse happening when the switch is released. So the switches are always break-before-make, and you'll never get a situation where both the NO and NC contacts are both closed at the same time (but you can get a situation where they are both open at the same time). Good design!
Nice vid. But I'm positive I did see a quarterWatt discharge resistor tucked under the capasitor....
You're right, check the description.
true.
That's true. I saw it as well, it's there.
@@slaughterround643 My bad. Didn't read the description...
Quite undresstanda... uhhh, sorry I mean understandable - not even those who *do* expect the Spanish Inquisition ever read RUclips descriptions...
Hmm that song fits in quite well with a big knob demonstration :D
Good one Clive. It looks like it is good quality. RS Components used to sell these sorts of switches. I don't know if they still do. I'm not in the trade anymore so I have not looked for one.
As you say the most common sort of breakage was almost always caused by people banging the switches to hard.
I often used the stacking, rotary switches when I needed a custom made switch.
Thanks for this teardown. I have been looking at these on Aliexpress for $2.50 AU with 24 volt LED.
I was a bit apprehensive before seeing your teardown.
I did note though that on the site there was a very disjointed confused statement that implied that the chrome finish on the escutcheon may deteriorate quickly in a harsh environment.
Chromed plastic always shits itself.
I love the cheap "LAY" components from China. I'm building a robot fighting arena for my students and all the traps are controlled with LAY37 buttons :)
I used to work in a company that had almost only Chinese industrial machines. And those from the factory, come with switches exactly like this one. I can report that during long term use they tend to break. Usually it's that plastic ring that holds it tight to the panel. Also quite often the contacts get lose or something, and they start fail registering a clicks. And that chrome painted ring gets unevenly white because ink is scrubbed away by constant clicks. And yea.. Since they get smashing "clicks" quite a lot, they get broken more fast that more expensive replacements that we used.
I didn’t know they made inverse parallel LEDs anymore. I have some telecom equipment that uses inverse parallel LEDs for dial lighting the Dial model uses 1 with a light pipe, not sure how many the Touch Tone (push button) models use. These were used in AT&T’s Trimline telephone until they outsourced production overseas.
I have used several of these swtches on the control panel for a milling machine, thought that they were brilliant and very adaptable. As for the Quicktest, I have something called a safeblock made by Rendar Instruments, must be getting on for fifty years old, somewhat battered and held together with araldite now.
Last Telemecanik (sp) I put in had a twist lock on the button casing. Was a 24vdc red led ind. with 1NO + 1 NC momentary about $70US (2015) 7/8" hole mtg. Would prevent the back unit from coming loose when the 200LB gorilla beats on the button. ToughAss button / switches! Great Video as usual... Michael in Colorado
I love these switches, bough a bunch on the cheap from china and modified them to light at 5V dc, made some control panels with arduino boards inside them.
From this channel, I learned that simple doesn't mean that it's shit.
I love how you still remember the words to that song Clive!
And kudos for the word “Suzzies” I haven’t heard that word in ages!😂
It was a "memorable" show. We didn't actually realise what it was going to be.
bigclivedotcom honestly I laughed to hard listing to that, your nan bless her must have thought “what the hell have they taken me to!” 😂
I’m gonna get these so I can look super professional with my goofing around
Jaycar Australia still have a similar resistor substitution box available. If you can find a Tandy store in Australia, they do still sell them also, but there are very few left here.
It looks like the idec design although they use a the screw for the light contacts to attach the stacks
I bought a couple of these for a rocket launch box, thinking they were the width of a finger. Obviously turns out they're f'ing massive! I wish these Chinese sellers would include dimensions more often.
Cool design though, I'm sure I'll come up with some use for them!
The German electronics retailer Conrad sells these (or very similar ones) under their home brand TRU components. I'm using them for a keyswitch and an emergency stop switch in my electronics lab, I quite like them.
You can still get that resistor substitution wheel from Jaycar here in Aus for $15.30. Can also get a resistor substitution box from Amazon for $22 ;).
I work at a Jaycar store and unfortunately they've been discontinued for some time with no apparent replacements
@@jonathong.4203 Well that's annoying, it was showing in stock last time I checked that was a while ago though. You can still get the boxes off Amazon, not as compact as the wheel but oh well.
Wonder if it'd be possible to design and 3D print something like the wheel...
@@rebsdioramas Yeah it really sucks, We've had a fair few people after them, being standard values I imagine it's just them all soldered in a ring, with a track around the outside to pick which one, similar to a multimeter.
@Evan Cottle Altronics also has quite a good range of components and tools, probably more than Jaycar I'd say, shame they don't have as many stores
That gramma story had me laughing out loud! Thanks man!
Now that button with a clear diffuser and rgb light would be interesting for diy.
Your Granny sounds like a good time😉
I kept seeing a discharge/shunt resistor directly under the capacitor. Maybe it's just the camera angle?
Years ago I owned and ran an Industrial controls business. We made a lot of cheap pump panels where the customer desire was cheap and reliable, we used "Baco" which was one of the 1st Chinese operators imported into the US. I had one customer for whom I made several hundred Reverse Osmosis / Mixed bed recirculation/repressurization panels, and they loved the Baco, The price difference was substantial, Telemecanique or Allen-Bradley would charge about $35 for a typical illuminated pushbutton assembly and the Baco was about $7. The cheaper operators worked great for this application as the panels were rarely switched, they "set em and forgot em", which was the point.
Fuji was another one we used for a while, and despite the name, I believe it was also Chinese. This was back in the late 90's or thereabouts.
A switch that I can put a logo on. Exactly what I've been looking for for a long time. They do 12v ones as well so I will finally have the custom switch I desire.
They are also used for train control on platforms for Signalling system.
I love industrial buttons!
Hey Clive, Im here again with another product suggestion that is riiight up your alley. The Hydra Light
It's yet another of the units with dry cells that are presented as if the water provides the power, when in reality it just acts as the electrolyte and the battery plates degrade as normal.
@@bigclivedotcom What I am curious about though is that the video I watched (they do videos on "as seen on tv" gadgets testing their claims) they say the cell can be reused multiple times.
It would be interesting to test exactly how much power over time one of these "cells" outputs as it degrades (that channel noticed rust appearing on the connection between the cell/torch after just 1 cycle)
In comparison to say a non rechargable set of batteries of equivalent voltage?
Honestly makes me want to consider switching out all of the wall plates in my house with these buttons. They look so satisfying to click. And in a home environment, they won't get beat to shit either...
I use these switches in low power DC projects. They are really cheaply made too.
oooooh....more industrial jewellery (tom foolery) love it!!⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐👍❤👜
I'd been thinking of using these but I'd not found any I liked the look/style of, and thanks to this video, I think I'll avoid it! Might make a nice arcade button
Best new toy of 2019
Electric Legos for adults!!!
nice show and tell
I've bought the same switch before and had it fail after 6 months of very light use (maybe used twice after installation and testing).
The failure mode was a high resistance across the contacts (over 10k). The switch was only used to drive logic circuitry. Pressing it multiple times to swipe the contacts to clean them had no effect. I'd stick away from them for professional use.
When you were moving the capacitor around I spotted a small resister below it. That is probably the discharge resister.
I still use my EU wire color Quick Test in the US. Simple matter to put a patch of black on the live clamp and a patch of white on the neutral clamp. Advantage is it works with both wire color schemes, since you may have the blue/brown colors or the black/white colors on a particular device.
One upon a time , me and my grandad , were on trouble with a button... and an old lady helped us with a piece. One grandson of that lady was there. Probably in the early '80. I think he may be you .
Did you miss the resistor behind the dropper cap?
What I'm waiting for is a similar device with a Neopixel in place of a fixed colour LED
My uncle has a box of old switches and buttons and I found something similar in there. It's a twin-button unit with square buttons (the part number on the label is 03-421-011). The lamps inside are 24V lightbulbs (there's 24V engraved on their contacts and there's MAX 60V printed on the unit's label) and the switches are rated for 300VAC.
Get one of the "lamp parameter tester" that JW has. It looks like it may work with strange loads
Hey man i am ur big fan love ur videos😃😄
Yeah Jaycar used to see it. It was removed a year or so ago and we still get distraught customers asking for it
Very interesting tear down, definitely cheaper our standard AB, Siemens etc. Not seen the combined NO/NC though.
Yes, agree on personal, prototyping.
I'm super curious... What exactly was it that reminded you of the bondage song?
3:00 I think if you connect an LED in series with a capacitor that limits the current to a level that is suitable for an LED, you actually have to have two of them in reverse polarity (or one could be replaced with an ordinary diode) because the maximum allowed reverse voltage of an LED is a lot lower than what it would be getting though the capacitor if there was just one LED. Also, if you want any current to flow through the circuit at all, the capacitor needs to be able to be charged both ways, which would not work with a single diode in series with it.
You quickly change button and put one in with " self- destruct"
Management loves this😉🤦
So long as it's not made out of explodium, it'd do nicely for DIY projects... :D
No, it is Chinesium.
Thank you.
Damn you Cliff... SEND THAT KEY!
Good video thanks, never gets old even 3 yrs later. Question, was the shiny metal looking ring on the front edge around the button made of metal or plastic? Also, I'm off to see if you have taken one of the non-transparent XB2 switches (ZB2) contact blocks apart. (XB2 is an entire switch and ZB2 is a component like the contact block). They say the contacts are available in silver or brass but I haven't found out how to tell the difference from the outside and wondered if you took one to bits.
I think it was chromed plastic.
I like the copied switch but I like the story as well, she heard every word, just didn't want to admit it. lol
I do a lot of work on industrial and commercial production machinery and that particular configuration looks familiar but I'll have to check my Box Of Replaced Parts to put a name on it, but it's not your typical Telemechanique 22mm configuration that I run across in my travels.
With that said, most industrial and heavy commercial machinery uses either 22mm or 30 mm metal body switches. You have a plastic body switch which would be used more on lighter duty stuff like lab or office equipment - maybe even prototype industrial stuff, but it would never meet the NEMA ratings for dirtier environments like the metal body ones do.
I've got a couple of those switches on a project I built. Excellent value for money, but not as strong as the ones we had on 1970's computer gear. What's a dommi matrix? some sort of mathematical model?
Hello Clive, Most enjoyable Vids on YT. In the video you say that you didn't think the capacitor had a discharge resistor. If you have a look at 8 minutes and 59 seconds you can see what I would estimate as a 1M resistor under the capacitor. Certainly, the first 2 bands are brown black. It can be seen again at 9 minutes 9 seconds. We Australians have a keen eye for detail, got watch out for those Kangaroos!
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Isnt the light flickering on the camera due to the UK using 59Hz electronics, and so a video outputted at 60hz will basically be recording at a different rate than the light is refreshing at?
reminds me of the go button switch on a baler :)
These are cool. Are they avalible for 24v DC, or DC in low voltage? I guess I should have read the description! Fircdc use!
For decade resistor boxes I see Amazon has good a variety of them ranging from $20 to several hundred.
Due to seeing their products in use by BigClive, I have bought a Cliff QuickTest. And, it is now an indispensable tool that is always on my repair bench. Also, I have ordered the Unior Stripping Pliers we frequently see him use, from UniorUSA. I have been waiting five months for them to come from Europe (Slovenia). But, they continue to reassure me that I will receive them.
Five months is a bit extreme. Make sure you pester them about that. I use the quicktest regularly.
Unior are a bit derpy with their delivery dates. I live *in* Slovenia and I have been waiting for some tools for weeks.
@@bigclivedotcom Don't worry, I contact them at about three week intervals. The problem lies in the fact that UniorUSA primarily deals in bicycle repair tools. However, during my initial inquiry the rep insisted that he could get them for me. I just had to be willing to wait a bit, which I agreed to. Luckily, I have other, albeit inferior stripping tools.
@@Saavik256 Unior tells me that they had a major order for a couple hundred repair benches, and the tools to outfit them. In that case, I can understand that my order for one tool carries no weight! Besides, patience is said to be a virtue!
@@bigclivedotcom I received the Unior Stripping Pliers today. The rep for UniorUSA, Chris Kreidl, is a great guy to deal with. On two separate occasions, he offered to send to me, free of charge, his very own personal pair of stripping pliers, which I was not willing to accept. Karma, you know. So, I waited patiently. But, I did inquire frequently on the status of my order. When he received the tool ordered for me, he again offered to send it me free of charge. I also turned down this offer. Instead, I agreed to pay for the tool, and he shipped it to me for free. So, even though it took quite a while to get them, I am very happy with my purchase and the level of service I received. Never once did he ignore my frequent inquiry correspondences. And, he always had a good attitude and concern for the customers plight. That is the kind of company I look to do business with.
Does the light switch on and off with the switch setting or is it on all the time? Edit - looks like the switch is a momentary to you'd have to externally control the LED....
We used to make this style of switch in Czechoslovakia, it was called the T6 system: www.mylms.cz/stare-rele-spinaci-jednotky-t6/
I thought about getting the Cliff Quick Test - it is a clever device - but it is ridiculously expensive for what it is (at least here in Czech Republic). I hope that they have sent the replacement part to that gentleman you mentioned at the beginning of the video.
The issue was resolved.