Very interesting Todd, thank you! One suggestion (or comment): could you leave the reg on the screen longer so we can read it while you talk about it? I would find that very useful and helpful. Thanks, and I really appreciate all you're doing for us instructors!
I am dealing with this currently; I am an Ex-army rotor pilot (commercial/Instrument) and after several decades want to go back and get my Airplane CFI. I am 1/2 way through my Commercial ASEL and still have not soloed.
Hi Todd, Currently studying for my initial CFI and just want to thank you for all the content and for making it easier to decipher these complex worded regs. Do you have a link to your patreon somewhere?
Thank you for this Todd! I have had this question asked to me (Almost to the tee, Commercial Helicoptor who hasn't flown in 15 years looking to get an PPL) with no real good answer other than this pilot needs a flight review. This is very helpful to me! Thank you for the Information! June 4th is my CFI initial, id love to do a debrief with you after the ride! Ill reach out on your website
This may just be a matter of phrasing and examining semantics but it is something I scratch my head about as it hypothetically could effect interpretation of regulations in some corner cases. In regard to PIC and student pilots on their FAA practical checkride for private pilot. The way I currently interpret the situation is that a holder of a student pilot certificate at the point of the FAA practical test has completed all training, written tests, and met other requirements(medical criminal etc) of a private pilot certificate holder and the instructor's endorsement is basically saying this student is fully qualified to act as a private pilot. Then the practical exam with the DPE is primarily to double check that the CFI didn't miss anything when making the endorsement.(Not so much to grade the CFI but simply a second opinion/quality control on applicants.) Thus the applicant during the checkride, while not holding a private certificate, is exercising the privileges of a PP and so is effectively an acting private pilot within the boundaries of the test. Is this totally incorrect? It is not a solo flight by definition, and the DPE is acting as a passenger not as an instructor. Really, what I am getting at is how the semantics of labeling the applicant an acting private pilot rather than student pilot would effect the interpretation of logging the checkride as PIC(minor issue) and actions performed on the checkride that are normally allowed for private pilots but not allowed for student pilots such as LAHS, flight into class B, or carrying a passenger[DPE]. The training requirement have been met and the applicant should be capable of all that is required of a private pilot certificate holder at this point. Granted this was a few years ago so my memory may be altering specifics, I recall the DPE that issued my PPC told me to log it as PIC and basically implied that the flight is a sort of neutral zone exception where it is the only time you can act as a PP without already holding the a PP or higher certificate. (As I recall a DPE isn't strictly required to have a current medical certificate, making them even more like a normal passenger. Or maybe that is only for added category and rating checkrides.)
You would be correct if the discussion was based on an initial training for a Private pilot. In this case as stated, the "student" is already a pilot. So none of that would apply in this scenario. Also, all examiners for airplane are required to have at least a third class medical; even BasicMed is off limits.
Todd, I’m having a hard time determining how much flight time would be required for the helicopter pilot in this scenario to get his/her Private add-on. The regs don’t seem very clear to me on this matter.
Sorry for the delay. I think a better way to look at this is to take the regulations and remove all of the romanettes and just ad checkboxes. Be careful to read each line and anywhere it says airplane, add that to your to-do list. Also remember that DPEs commonly ask what is the minimum time required, and that may not always be the actual or safe number. Does this help? If not, be sure to reply back and let me know what you think.
@@ToddShellnuttCPC thanks for replying, Todd. What I’m running into is I’m studying for my CFI (airplane) and this is a question that came up recently that no one at my FBO seems to agree on. The answer I most often hear is that this applicant would still need to log at least 20 hours of dual instruction and 10 hours of solo flight. I understand adding check boxes next to the items listed in 61.109, but 20 hours of dual instruction does seem like it shouldn’t apply. Maybe I’m in left field, IDK. I wish it was more clearly written. Also, something I left out is the scenario is a Commercial rotorcraft pilot wanting a private airplane add-on. Not sure if that helps or matters.
i wanna just make sure... i got a helicopter private pilot certification 10 years ago, i didnt take flight review. if i wanna get airplane private certification, i need to take flight review? or start from scratch?
Very interesting Todd, thank you! One suggestion (or comment): could you leave the reg on the screen longer so we can read it while you talk about it? I would find that very useful and helpful. Thanks, and I really appreciate all you're doing for us instructors!
Absolutely! The next ones I do will have that formatting. I was trying something new this time.
So do they folllow the same 61.109 hr requirements just with different endorsements
As always, thank you for your videos Todd!
I love your videos so much Todd!!!
I am a student at ATP, taking my check ride tomorrow and your videos have been so helpful!!!
Wish me luck!!!
Wishing you the best of luck! You got this!!
@@ToddShellnuttCPC I ended up passing!! Thank you!!! 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
@@alexandranickerson805 You are awesome! Congratulations!!
@@ToddShellnuttCPC Thank you sooooo much!!! It's all thanks to your videos!!! (:
your videos are incredibly helpful
Thank you so much for the great interpretation! It was so helpful while studying CFI. 👍
Great info. Thanks Todd!
I am dealing with this currently; I am an Ex-army rotor pilot (commercial/Instrument) and after several decades want to go back and get my Airplane CFI. I am 1/2 way through my Commercial ASEL and still have not soloed.
Hi Todd, Currently studying for my initial CFI and just want to thank you for all the content and for making it easier to decipher these complex worded regs. Do you have a link to your patreon somewhere?
It's in the comments section of this video.
Thank you for this Todd! I have had this question asked to me (Almost to the tee, Commercial Helicoptor who hasn't flown in 15 years looking to get an PPL) with no real good answer other than this pilot needs a flight review. This is very helpful to me! Thank you for the Information! June 4th is my CFI initial, id love to do a debrief with you after the ride! Ill reach out on your website
This may just be a matter of phrasing and examining semantics but it is something I scratch my head about as it hypothetically could effect interpretation of regulations in some corner cases. In regard to PIC and student pilots on their FAA practical checkride for private pilot.
The way I currently interpret the situation is that a holder of a student pilot certificate at the point of the FAA practical test has completed all training, written tests, and met other requirements(medical criminal etc) of a private pilot certificate holder and the instructor's endorsement is basically saying this student is fully qualified to act as a private pilot. Then the practical exam with the DPE is primarily to double check that the CFI didn't miss anything when making the endorsement.(Not so much to grade the CFI but simply a second opinion/quality control on applicants.)
Thus the applicant during the checkride, while not holding a private certificate, is exercising the privileges of a PP and so is effectively an acting private pilot within the boundaries of the test. Is this totally incorrect? It is not a solo flight by definition, and the DPE is acting as a passenger not as an instructor. Really, what I am getting at is how the semantics of labeling the applicant an acting private pilot rather than student pilot would effect the interpretation of logging the checkride as PIC(minor issue) and actions performed on the checkride that are normally allowed for private pilots but not allowed for student pilots such as LAHS, flight into class B, or carrying a passenger[DPE]. The training requirement have been met and the applicant should be capable of all that is required of a private pilot certificate holder at this point.
Granted this was a few years ago so my memory may be altering specifics, I recall the DPE that issued my PPC told me to log it as PIC and basically implied that the flight is a sort of neutral zone exception where it is the only time you can act as a PP without already holding the a PP or higher certificate.
(As I recall a DPE isn't strictly required to have a current medical certificate, making them even more like a normal passenger. Or maybe that is only for added category and rating checkrides.)
You would be correct if the discussion was based on an initial training for a Private pilot. In this case as stated, the "student" is already a pilot. So none of that would apply in this scenario. Also, all examiners for airplane are required to have at least a third class medical; even BasicMed is off limits.
Would the a72 § 61.31(d)(2) endorsement be able to allow someone to solo without having a flight review?
Nope - 61.56 does not allow anyone to act as PIC without a current flight review.
Todd, I’m having a hard time determining how much flight time would be required for the helicopter pilot in this scenario to get his/her Private add-on. The regs don’t seem very clear to me on this matter.
Sorry for the delay. I think a better way to look at this is to take the regulations and remove all of the romanettes and just ad checkboxes. Be careful to read each line and anywhere it says airplane, add that to your to-do list. Also remember that DPEs commonly ask what is the minimum time required, and that may not always be the actual or safe number. Does this help? If not, be sure to reply back and let me know what you think.
@@ToddShellnuttCPC thanks for replying, Todd. What I’m running into is I’m studying for my CFI (airplane) and this is a question that came up recently that no one at my FBO seems to agree on. The answer I most often hear is that this applicant would still need to log at least 20 hours of dual instruction and 10 hours of solo flight. I understand adding check boxes next to the items listed in 61.109, but 20 hours of dual instruction does seem like it shouldn’t apply. Maybe I’m in left field, IDK. I wish it was more clearly written. Also, something I left out is the scenario is a Commercial rotorcraft pilot wanting a private airplane add-on. Not sure if that helps or matters.
i wanna just make sure... i got a helicopter private pilot certification 10 years ago, i didnt take flight review. if i wanna get airplane private certification, i need to take flight review? or start from scratch?
+how can i do start from scratch?
In order for you to act as PIC, you will need a flight review.
That makes no sense,they are 2 different animals.
I see these situations once a week at a minimum. What makes no sense?