I would love to see 5 level 0 cards from EotE to upgrade into their EotE investigator’s second class. Cards that really epitomise their investigator, so a Level 3 Guardian Dragon Pole for example.
Or an upgraded guard dog or survival knife or hunters armour of thorns or lesson learned Oh wait all of these cards have an upgrade Danniella just can’t play any of them
I think a fun upgrade for Toe to Toe would be to make the damage you deal to the enemy scale with the hit you took. Something like "This attack deals +X damage, where X is the total horror and damage you took as the result of the chosen enemy's attack."
I'd love to see Hired Muscle and Treasure Hunter level 2 upgrades (maybe multiclass?) that have text essentially adding "you can upgrade this card into any other ally". That way you could upgrade your deck with them with the intent to replace them with high xp allies later in a campaign. It kind of fits their theme and alternative upgrade paths is something AHLCG hasn't really explored.
That's an excellent idea. I often think this would be a good way to give Guardian more definition too, with seperate permanents that allowed you to switch between allys, weapons, or events during upgrades in the same way.
Trusted Upgrade could have a subtitle like the Precious memento and be called Trusted: Blessed Bond (2) Same text, but add "When you reveal a Bless or the elder sign token, exhaust Trusted and heal 1 damage or horror from the attached asset" Or something similar. Edit: Resource Ritual Candles would be sick
I'm down with the idea of revealing additional tokens for benefits. Seems like a good amount of existing design space fits into that shell. Benefits could include reduced costs (action or resource), additonal rewards (extra clue, damage, card, health on ally, ammo, etc), or other game effects (story cards come to mind).
1/ Tool Belt needs an upgrade that at least makes it more compatible with Dissection Tools & Hawkeye Folding Cam. 2/ An upgraded Intrepid could get an extra willpower icon and have leads placed on it determined by over-success, which would then allow it to stick around longer (at the end of the round remove a lead, or dicard Intrepid.) 3/ An enhanced Premonition that seals three tokens which are then released in an order of your choosing during successive tests would be great. 4/ Kukri (2) can only be included in your deck as a replacement for a lower level Kukri, it swings for +2, if a symbol is revealed during ths test you may redeem the activation cost of this attack. After this attack resolves you may spend an additonal action to do one point of damage to an enemy at your location, or if the attack was successful, exhaust Kukri to do two points of damage to the enemy just attacked.
connect the dots might not be consistent in the hunch-deck, but when i got it to work, it won me multiple games ....so idk maybe it is not so bad after all.
Oh my gosh!! I would absolutely love an upgrade to your first choice! I want to play Connect the Dots soooo often and just replace it during deck building or after scenario one.
With trusted, instead of returning the ally to the hand, I think giving a refund would help. Guardian economy is still awful when it comes to resources - meanwhile their allies are one of their biggest expenses. Your cost 5 Grete and Brother Xavier revolve around taking damage/dying. What if you gave them +1 Health / Sanity AND when they die, gain resources equal to the cost to play them.
Really really love the design ideas for Mystic token fishing. That's a great idea to draw more tokens (higher risk of negative modifiers) in order to gain benefits. Very cool.
I wonder if Connect the Dots would be viable with the same cost but less conditionality. For example, even if the second sentence was "Play when you discover a clue at your location" or "Play at a location with no clues" - those would make it significantly more likely to work in the hunch deck but might make it viable elsewhere too. Or how about all the way - how about just "4: Fast, discover 2 clues" - a double Working a Hunch. Obviously incredible in Joe. But worth a couple of xp?
Using the bottom action of Knife as a kill spell is very similar to how forsee works in MTG. Set something down to trigger later. It would be cool to get a few more cards like this, but obviously designed with this style of play in mind. Perhaps an upgraded knife gives a static +1 boost only while fighting to replace the top ability.
I'd like an investigator that gets to include four copies of Knife in their deck. I like the diverging/cross-over upgrades. But it would be cool if you could only include an upgraded version as a replacement for a neutral version (this new upgrade vector could even be used to make cards like Kukri tempting.) Making Knife sticky, like Hatchet, is another obvious design option for an upgraded Knife's bottom action.
@zachfisher3364 What I meant in this case is, you could ONLY add an upgraded version if your deck contained a level zero version at the end of the previous scenario. I mentioned Kukri, because it's an extreme example of a level zero card that never sees play because it's so poor, but there are plenty of others. So, if you applied a mechanism like this, you could reward the challenge of carrying, what is at the moment, level 0 binder fodder with the compensation of a really good value upgraded pay-off card. Doing this with parallel versions that cross classes might add an additional characterful motif that solidifies the theme of the mechanism.
@fredfredrickson5436 For that type of mechanic, it would need to be a Guardian version of the Researched mechanic perhaps. Where killing a certain amount of creatures with the lvl 0 Kukiri will unlock the upgraded version. Otherwise you could just put the lvl 0 in, not use it for anything but the committed symbols for a scenario, then upgrade it out at the first opportunity for the better card.
@zachfisher3364 I hear what you're saying, but the implementation of the mechanism would be really clunky that way, because you'd be stipulating what is yet to be determined by a future deck inclusion. Of course, these kinds of cards could be reformatted and reiterated, which I actually think would be a warmly welcomed addition to a reformatted Return To style product, alongside hard-copies of nailed down parallel investigators and taboos. But if you're going to reiterate a card, you might as well just fix the original (I'd love to fix a card like Blackjack too, for example.) However, coming back to the original point, carrying the fodder card would be a handicap in itself, whether played or committed, baring in mind that if you didn't upgrade it at the first opportunity, that handicap would compound. Whatever the case, it just seems a shame to me that, at the moment, cards like these are nothing more than dead placeholders. I agree that mission/reward style Guardian events would be another way to build more character into the class, though. As Guardian has become easily the most creatively neglected class in the game.
I will defend recent Guardian designs as it's my favourite class. In the last two expansions they got Cleaning Kit, Ancestral Token, Hunters Armor, Breach the Door, Field Agent, Bestow Resolve, Task Force, Ofuda and Eyes of Valusia. I think each of those cards to different extents represents new design space the class is playing in, and multiple of them have created new archetypes for the class. Runic Axe is a very different take on weapon design, that's not like any other card in the game. And then aside from the cards mentioned before they got individually sick cards like Girish, Guard Dog (2), One in the Chamber, Ever Vigilant (4), two very unique Investigators in Carson and Wilson, as well as the best suite of customizable cards.
I actually knew that you would respond because I know you are a big Guardian fan. And I ultimately agree with you that these are cool designs that the Guardian class has gotten in the last few cycles, but I still think the problem is that these cards are all too fair or "safe" with their output.
@@Yrevnoc I'm very excited to see what Drowned City is bringing for the Guardian cards. With event and firearm support, I think we're going to get some great stuff for the class.
They already did some knife upgrades though. Spirit athame, knuckle duster and survival knife are pretty much knife, but with a class identity. That said, knife probably could have been fast.
I want an upgraded Tetsuo that gives you a positive benefit while in play, like a stat boost, and make his name like, “Tetsuo Mori: Please Don’t Kill Me Again”
What if the second action of knife could be a reaction to an enemy spawning at your location? Or maybe even as a fast action that can only be done during your turn? Essentially making it an event that you front load the action cost to be redeemed later on the scenario.
The cards I would most like an upgrade for are probably: *Watch This *Cunning distraction *Improvised Shield *Jury Rig (Though not as much as an investigator with access to all upgrades) *Schoffner's Catalogue *Waylay *Testing Sprint *Pocket telescope *Written in the stars *Breach the door *Bolas *Self Sacrifice *Open Gate *Quantum Flux
Not a level 0 card, but I would love to see an upgraded Versatile that is not limited to level 0 cards but instead allows "a card of one level higher than your deckbuilding would otherwise permit (You must still pay XP for that card.)"
I would love to see upgraded Long Shot: 1 👊 icon & one 🦶 icon and the text: if this test succeeds by 2, chose one: Deal an additional damage or return this card to your hand. If you succeed by 4, do both.
I like that card text, I would cut the icons (or maybe just give it a wild icon) so that it could still work with weird stuff like spells and "I've got a plan".
I would love upgraded versions of Venturer and Medical Student, two really fun cards that rarely make it to the end of a campaign without getting replaced. Also it doesn't need the help, but as a big Vincent Lee enjoyer I would love an upgraded Bandages.
Seeker Knife should be a letter opener.. ➡️ fight +1 👊🏻 ➡️discard letter opener - fight +2 👊🏻, if this attack succeeds discover 1 clue, if it defeats an enemy, discover 2 clues instead.
I could see a Trusted permanent. Giving all your allies either +1 Health or +1 Sanity. Maybe at 4xp? And of course a 5xp upgrade giving all your allies +1/+1.
I feel like a permanent Trusted would eat up the space The Star lives in. However, if they aren't planning on ever reprinting those cards, maybe it's a good thing we get a replacement.
I think Connect the Dots becomes more interesting when you consider the taboo to Shed a Light and people still consider it to be strong. Shed a Light gets 3 testless clues for 2 coins and 2 experience. Connect the Dots get 2 testless clues for 4 coins. Not saying Connect the Dots is great but maybe Shed a Light is overcosted now? Personally, I would trade 2 coins for 2 experience in most situations.
If you look at just the numbers on the cards you're getting close, but you have to factor in more comparing the two. Connect the Dots requires you to leave clues on a low shroud location and instead get clues another way on a high shroud location, Shed a Light does the opposite. Shed the Light is active and is the reason you're getting clues, Connect the Dots is reactive (reactive cards are generally less consistent than active cards). Shed a Light is used in tandem with Old Keyring 3, which is part of the reason the test at 0 is disgusting and consistent. I think Shed a Light is more fairly costed, but I don't like looking at just the numbers for card evaluation, because the numbers often don't tell the full story.
@@PlayingBoardGames Fair point. You can't compare them in vacuum. Although Old KeyRing 3 and Shed a Light costs quite a bit of experience now. So that isn't really apples to apples.
I would love to see 5 level 0 cards from EotE to upgrade into their EotE investigator’s second class. Cards that really epitomise their investigator, so a Level 3 Guardian Dragon Pole for example.
Or an upgraded guard dog or survival knife or hunters armour of thorns or lesson learned
Oh wait all of these cards have an upgrade Danniella just can’t play any of them
There is already an upgrade to dragon pole I think in print and play. I hope it is printed in the next set though
@ I missed this, thank you! This is what I’d love to see; pick a level 0 for each EotE and give them the same treatment.
I think a fun upgrade for Toe to Toe would be to make the damage you deal to the enemy scale with the hit you took. Something like "This attack deals +X damage, where X is the total horror and damage you took as the result of the chosen enemy's attack."
For me: Dragon Pole, Hemlock Vale masks, give Kicking the Hornets Nest the backpack 2 treatment, Grievous Wound.
I'd love to see Hired Muscle and Treasure Hunter level 2 upgrades (maybe multiclass?) that have text essentially adding "you can upgrade this card into any other ally". That way you could upgrade your deck with them with the intent to replace them with high xp allies later in a campaign. It kind of fits their theme and alternative upgrade paths is something AHLCG hasn't really explored.
That's an excellent idea. I often think this would be a good way to give Guardian more definition too, with seperate permanents that allowed you to switch between allys, weapons, or events during upgrades in the same way.
Trusted Upgrade could have a subtitle like the Precious memento and be called
Trusted: Blessed Bond (2)
Same text, but add "When you reveal a Bless or the elder sign token, exhaust Trusted and heal 1 damage or horror from the attached asset"
Or something similar.
Edit: Resource Ritual Candles would be sick
Another banger list video Justin, and love the Rus cameo
I'm down with the idea of revealing additional tokens for benefits. Seems like a good amount of existing design space fits into that shell. Benefits could include reduced costs (action or resource), additonal rewards (extra clue, damage, card, health on ally, ammo, etc), or other game effects (story cards come to mind).
1/ Tool Belt needs an upgrade that at least makes it more compatible with Dissection Tools & Hawkeye Folding Cam.
2/ An upgraded Intrepid could get an extra willpower icon and have leads placed on it determined by over-success, which would then allow it to stick around longer (at the end of the round remove a lead, or dicard Intrepid.)
3/ An enhanced Premonition that seals three tokens which are then released in an order of your choosing during successive tests would be great.
4/ Kukri (2) can only be included in your deck as a replacement for a lower level Kukri, it swings for +2, if a symbol is revealed during ths test you may redeem the activation cost of this attack. After this attack resolves you may spend an additonal action to do one point of damage to an enemy at your location, or if the attack was successful, exhaust Kukri to do two points of damage to the enemy just attacked.
Tetsuo Mori with the proposed "Return the attached ally to your hand" version of Trusted sounds good, if a bit expensive.
connect the dots might not be consistent in the hunch-deck, but when i got it to work, it won me multiple games ....so idk maybe it is not so bad after all.
I include "Trusted in so many decks!" I Don't see it used as often as it should be. Great list of cards!!
Oh my gosh!! I would absolutely love an upgrade to your first choice! I want to play Connect the Dots soooo often and just replace it during deck building or after scenario one.
With trusted, instead of returning the ally to the hand, I think giving a refund would help. Guardian economy is still awful when it comes to resources - meanwhile their allies are one of their biggest expenses. Your cost 5 Grete and Brother Xavier revolve around taking damage/dying. What if you gave them +1 Health / Sanity AND when they die, gain resources equal to the cost to play them.
Really really love the design ideas for Mystic token fishing. That's a great idea to draw more tokens (higher risk of negative modifiers) in order to gain benefits. Very cool.
I wonder if Connect the Dots would be viable with the same cost but less conditionality. For example, even if the second sentence was "Play when you discover a clue at your location" or "Play at a location with no clues" - those would make it significantly more likely to work in the hunch deck but might make it viable elsewhere too. Or how about all the way - how about just "4: Fast, discover 2 clues" - a double Working a Hunch. Obviously incredible in Joe. But worth a couple of xp?
Using the bottom action of Knife as a kill spell is very similar to how forsee works in MTG. Set something down to trigger later.
It would be cool to get a few more cards like this, but obviously designed with this style of play in mind. Perhaps an upgraded knife gives a static +1 boost only while fighting to replace the top ability.
I'd like an investigator that gets to include four copies of Knife in their deck.
I like the diverging/cross-over upgrades. But it would be cool if you could only include an upgraded version as a replacement for a neutral version (this new upgrade vector could even be used to make cards like Kukri tempting.)
Making Knife sticky, like Hatchet, is another obvious design option for an upgraded Knife's bottom action.
@fredfredrickson5436 What do you mean about upgrades that replace the neutral version? Doesn't upgrading always replace the card from your deck?
@zachfisher3364 What I meant in this case is, you could ONLY add an upgraded version if your deck contained a level zero version at the end of the previous scenario. I mentioned Kukri, because it's an extreme example of a level zero card that never sees play because it's so poor, but there are plenty of others. So, if you applied a mechanism like this, you could reward the challenge of carrying, what is at the moment, level 0 binder fodder with the compensation of a really good value upgraded pay-off card. Doing this with parallel versions that cross classes might add an additional characterful motif that solidifies the theme of the mechanism.
@fredfredrickson5436 For that type of mechanic, it would need to be a Guardian version of the Researched mechanic perhaps. Where killing a certain amount of creatures with the lvl 0 Kukiri will unlock the upgraded version. Otherwise you could just put the lvl 0 in, not use it for anything but the committed symbols for a scenario, then upgrade it out at the first opportunity for the better card.
@zachfisher3364 I hear what you're saying, but the implementation of the mechanism would be really clunky that way, because you'd be stipulating what is yet to be determined by a future deck inclusion. Of course, these kinds of cards could be reformatted and reiterated, which I actually think would be a warmly welcomed addition to a reformatted Return To style product, alongside hard-copies of nailed down parallel investigators and taboos. But if you're going to reiterate a card, you might as well just fix the original (I'd love to fix a card like Blackjack too, for example.) However, coming back to the original point, carrying the fodder card would be a handicap in itself, whether played or committed, baring in mind that if you didn't upgrade it at the first opportunity, that handicap would compound. Whatever the case, it just seems a shame to me that, at the moment, cards like these are nothing more than dead placeholders.
I agree that mission/reward style Guardian events would be another way to build more character into the class, though. As Guardian has become easily the most creatively neglected class in the game.
The hemlock valley mask surely need lvl upgrades 😅
Marion is definitely bringing more Guardian events to the cardpool and I'm not complaining.
I will defend recent Guardian designs as it's my favourite class.
In the last two expansions they got Cleaning Kit, Ancestral Token, Hunters Armor, Breach the Door, Field Agent, Bestow Resolve, Task Force, Ofuda and Eyes of Valusia. I think each of those cards to different extents represents new design space the class is playing in, and multiple of them have created new archetypes for the class.
Runic Axe is a very different take on weapon design, that's not like any other card in the game.
And then aside from the cards mentioned before they got individually sick cards like Girish, Guard Dog (2), One in the Chamber, Ever Vigilant (4), two very unique Investigators in Carson and Wilson, as well as the best suite of customizable cards.
I actually knew that you would respond because I know you are a big Guardian fan. And I ultimately agree with you that these are cool designs that the Guardian class has gotten in the last few cycles, but I still think the problem is that these cards are all too fair or "safe" with their output.
@@PlayingBoardGames LOL I've been had.
It's difficult avoiding being the hype man for Guardians when all their cards are so hype. Bring on all the cool Marion cards ffg.
@@Yrevnoc I'm very excited to see what Drowned City is bringing for the Guardian cards. With event and firearm support, I think we're going to get some great stuff for the class.
I could see an upgraded Toe to Toe that lets you attack before getting hit. So if you eliminate the enemy you prevent the damage.
They already did some knife upgrades though.
Spirit athame, knuckle duster and survival knife are pretty much knife, but with a class identity.
That said, knife probably could have been fast.
I want an upgraded Tetsuo that gives you a positive benefit while in play, like a stat boost, and make his name like, “Tetsuo Mori: Please Don’t Kill Me Again”
What if the second action of knife could be a reaction to an enemy spawning at your location?
Or maybe even as a fast action that can only be done during your turn?
Essentially making it an event that you front load the action cost to be redeemed later on the scenario.
Another Russ video.. we all love Russ.
@@MikeB-nn4nh we do all love Russ
The new guardian card, crowbar, really needs an upgrade
One question: is Russell a liar, or a prophet, or both?
The cards I would most like an upgrade for are probably:
*Watch This
*Cunning distraction
*Improvised Shield
*Jury Rig (Though not as much as an investigator with access to all upgrades)
*Schoffner's Catalogue
*Waylay
*Testing Sprint
*Pocket telescope
*Written in the stars
*Breach the door
*Bolas
*Self Sacrifice
*Open Gate
*Quantum Flux
Upgrade Trusted into Well-Mantained!
I wanna see Sword cane lvl2 or something like that mostly beacuse i think that card is really cool
Don’t mind me I’ll just collect these ideas for later (Later as in I’m already cooking your 5 upgrades though, but the Trusted one is interesting 🙈 )
Not a level 0 card, but I would love to see an upgraded Versatile that is not limited to level 0 cards but instead allows "a card of one level higher than your deckbuilding would otherwise permit (You must still pay XP for that card.)"
I would love to see upgraded Long Shot: 1 👊 icon & one 🦶 icon and the text: if this test succeeds by 2, chose one: Deal an additional damage or return this card to your hand. If you succeed by 4, do both.
I like that card text, I would cut the icons (or maybe just give it a wild icon) so that it could still work with weird stuff like spells and "I've got a plan".
That sounds like you'd upgrade it into a Rogue card :)
I would love upgraded versions of Venturer and Medical Student, two really fun cards that rarely make it to the end of a campaign without getting replaced.
Also it doesn't need the help, but as a big Vincent Lee enjoyer I would love an upgraded Bandages.
Honestly, I could see an upgraded Venturer in Drowned City.
Seeker Knife should be a letter opener..
➡️ fight +1 👊🏻
➡️discard letter opener - fight +2 👊🏻, if this attack succeeds discover 1 clue, if it defeats an enemy, discover 2 clues instead.
I could see a Trusted permanent. Giving all your allies either +1 Health or +1 Sanity. Maybe at 4xp?
And of course a 5xp upgrade giving all your allies +1/+1.
I feel like a permanent Trusted would eat up the space The Star lives in. However, if they aren't planning on ever reprinting those cards, maybe it's a good thing we get a replacement.
I just want to know what a 2 or 3XP sled dogs would look like.
I think Connect the Dots becomes more interesting when you consider the taboo to Shed a Light and people still consider it to be strong. Shed a Light gets 3 testless clues for 2 coins and 2 experience. Connect the Dots get 2 testless clues for 4 coins. Not saying Connect the Dots is great but maybe Shed a Light is overcosted now? Personally, I would trade 2 coins for 2 experience in most situations.
If you look at just the numbers on the cards you're getting close, but you have to factor in more comparing the two. Connect the Dots requires you to leave clues on a low shroud location and instead get clues another way on a high shroud location, Shed a Light does the opposite. Shed the Light is active and is the reason you're getting clues, Connect the Dots is reactive (reactive cards are generally less consistent than active cards). Shed a Light is used in tandem with Old Keyring 3, which is part of the reason the test at 0 is disgusting and consistent.
I think Shed a Light is more fairly costed, but I don't like looking at just the numbers for card evaluation, because the numbers often don't tell the full story.
@@PlayingBoardGames Fair point. You can't compare them in vacuum. Although Old KeyRing 3 and Shed a Light costs quite a bit of experience now. So that isn't really apples to apples.
Definitely. Their XP feels a lot better for those cards now.
Connect the Dots is only 2 cost with Joe Diamond 😉
Yes, that was heavily implied in my dialogue about the card and the discussion of the hunch deck.
Trusted should be a permanent 👌
Second!!!!