When Great Players Have Bad Playoff Games | JJ Redick
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Bad playoff games are common in the NBA. From Nikola Jokic (The Denver Nuggets) to Anthony Edwards (The Minnesota Timberwolves), the NBA has seen it's fair share this playoff season. Even the NBA Finals teams - Luka Doncic (The Dallas Mavericks) and Jayson Tatum (The Boston Celtics) have had some stinkers. But how does this happen and how should we process them? Also, we cover Boston Celtics future odds and JJ builds his best current NBA team around Larry Bird.
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The fact this is a hot take for sports media right now is a shame
In the eyes of 98% of nba fans, Tatum has never actually had a good playoff game. To fit their narrative, they completely ignore some of his huge games where he single handedly saved his team from elimination.
Being a little hyperbolic don’t you think?
holds the record for most points in a game 7 and hit clutch shot after clutch shot in game six before that. tatum gets so much hate it’s crazy
nah for people that pay attention, he doesn't attack enough and stay aggressive. too passive. we'll see what he does Thursday. they had a cake walk to the finals and were not even tested, he never had to try this entire playoffs until this week.
When you have bad games on the biggest stage, obviously that's what everyone is going to think about not big games in the weak east 😂
@@senorstronkmaybe in years past, I can see at times where he would settle for threes but that was years ago. He has 4-5 other players that can score 20 plus points on any given night, the team doesn’t need him shooting and scoring all their points, he plays defense, he rebounds, he is passing better then ever, he’s hustling, I would much rather a guy play hard on all aspects of basketball, rather then a guy that scores 35 but doesn’t exert himself on other areas of the game. People that bash Tatum are box score warriors that only look at the field goal percentage, and points and nothing else
This is what happened when you look back at legends dishonestly. You’ll hear people say Jordan or Kobe never had bad playoff games when that simply isn’t true
What? Kobe and MJ careers were literally shaped off of bad playoff games. Anyone who says that they didn't, are just lying or didn't watch
Luka never had a bad play-off game
Kobe is my favorite player ever, but if the Lakers had loss in 2010, the critics would've ate him up. In that Game 7 against Boston, he shot 6-24, 0-6 from 3pt, 11-15 from FT. However, he did grab 15 rebounds though, which is impressive.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone say that tbh
@@lazzi2462unfortunately partly due to Perkins being injured for the end of that season.
Apparently Tatum averaging 26pts, 10.4 Reb, and 5.9 assists on a team full of amazing players is bad. Not to mention the huge impact he has on the defensive end as well. The hate is beyond me
The bad games didn’t happen yet
It always happens in the most important games
So in the next 4-7
You'll see over the next two weeks. The dude is not consistent as a superstar. That simple.
@@williammccormick984I would live to hear y’all criteria for a Superstar 😂 yall swear yall not listening to media.
@@yisroelkonovitch27-9-6 in elimination games, 51 in a GM 7, this narrative is tired.
@@lorddj9910 Why would I listen to the ESPN media assholes? They have their own biases and "friends." They are not to be trusted and the Skip Baylesses and SAS's of the world literally cover both sides so they are always right. You're absolutely pathetic if you are relying on them.
Glad to see Andrew Nembhard getting some love (and see JJ getting his name right 😂)
Drew is a DAWG
Indiana great Aaron Nembhard!
Now I want to see the inverse when bad (or role) players have great playoff games
Im down for this
Josh Smith and Corey Brewer Game 6 West semis Rockets Vs Clippers
its gonna be jj glazing derick white lol
Here from the future to tell this video is for Tatum's bad games
Here from the present to tell you that the thumbnail already features Tatum. 😐😐
Can’t wait for him to prove everyone wrong
Bro literally just looked at the thumbnail
Good now Jaylen will get the recognition he deserves
@lawsonproctor7918 it's not gunna happen cause he just avg 30 5 5 and they said he had a bad series.. not being all time great every game is now bad unless your someone they like
Most ppl just hate on Tatum bc he’s on the Celtics if he was playing for their team they would love him they literally lie and say he’s inconsistent but you can’t average good stats while being the stat leader in most stats on your team if you aren’t and that’s the opposite of being carried they just repeat bs narratives bc they love to hate him and JB is great I love him but no other player on any other team gets belittled bc another player has a great game too JT is unfairly judged and bullied by narratives that aren’t true and Celtics fans are happy to have both JT & JB as leaders of our team and hopefully we bring home banner 18 this yr ☘️
I don't hate Tatum but they just replayed the 2022 Finals on NBATV. Tatum and JB just choked and/or made really stupid plays in crunch time a couple games that they could've/should've won. And you can't let Andrew Wiggins outplay you.
@@daveclark8337they for sure fell apart in that finals. Not totally surprising when you factor in the Jays being 23 and 24 at the time and the experience of the warriors. Once draymond got aggro they started rolling. I’d have to rewatch as well but tbh I still think we woulda won if not for Jordan Poole lol
@@daveclark8337 I’m not talkin about 2 yrs ago against the warriors dynasty im talking about now with a better team more experience and better coaching yall stuck in the past fr
The problem is like with everything else in todays society, short attention spans and lack of real research. If you never saw Jordan or anyone from that era and only saw highlights you would think these guys were perfect. Same as todays game, we're fed what the providers want us to see. This is why I have my son watching full games when we look back. Get a full perspective.
You would think all of the Bulls chips were cakewalks. I was there. They weren't.
JJ said "they beat us" and I had this weird moment where I forgot he was a former NBA player because he's such a natural at this podcasting thing. No disrespect intended, just crazy.
JJ getring ready to recruit Tatum...
When are you going to do your annual Ben Simmons softball interview lol?
LMAO
Ben Simmons is awful
JJ started like Peter Griffin. I was waiting for the "you know what really grind my gears!?"
JJ’s Celtics fandom really leaking lately
Love how you had to soften it a bit with Jokic, speaks to his excellent consistency and ability to play at a high level every single night
This is just JJ showing the Lakers he knows how to build a roster
Im dropping an idea after nba finals, you should do a draft with all the players for the next season, like you and other 4 or 5 guys, drafting everyone, and see who are the best
I will always be ok with superstars getting blamed and destroyed when playing bad and losing. Simply because they also get all the praise and glory when they play awesome and their team win.
Of course context matters. You'll get more real praise the least the fans expected you to win. KD's warriors ring is not the same as Dirk's for example. It's common sense.
Aaron Nesmith is a steal for his contract. Thanks for showing him some love. He deserves it.
All great players will or are going to have bad games. A bad game doesn't mean you're a terrible hooper it happens to the best of us.
The reason why we talk about bad games to begin with is because it has become a series of bad games, and or eventually a bad game that cost a series/championship.
Somewhere within that loss, we need to find a reason, not to put blame but to just understand what might have cause the game.
JJ said lemme post this anti Tatum disrespect video so I can use this thumbnail of Tatum to talk about bad playoff games
Kidding, JJ. I love you.
😂
Surprised you didn’t quote the 2022 Warriors when they lost to the Grizzlies without Ja Morant by like 50 in round 2
By 50 in round 2?😂😂😂 damn i dont remember that but thats crazy, playoffs are so high and low though in recent years, like a team will blowout another by 25 but then lose the next game by 30 lol
@@mohsinkamal2468 It was like a home closeout game in GS too, so the narratives was “ooooh momentum swinging in Memphis’ favor in game 6, can they force a game 7 without Ja??”
And then they got destroyed at home and sent to Cancun 😂
@@PaM07675I mean it was without ja nothing impressive by the warriors tbh
@@GurtonBuster07 Its not meant to be. I was originally pointing out the blowout loss to the Ja-less Grizzlies as a “bad game” that I was surprised JJ didnt mention
@@GurtonBuster07you missed his point
JJ why are you in such a good mood? Anything going on in your life?
Heheh😊
Mentioning the blowouts is a great point. I’d think boston will win by 15+ twice in this series and the Mavs will once.
The only problems I have with this lineup are the stars. By picking Tatum and AD, two ball dominant stars, you take away Larry’s best attribute, his playmaking. There are also some spacing concerns with this team, but I think the prior issue takes precedent
Don't do Tatum like that with the thumbnail
0:01 MEME REVIEW
Tatum in the finals in 22' :
21.5 PPG FG: 37%, 65% FT 4 TO . He also disappeared during multiple games in a series where the Celtics were supposed to be the better team(favored, more talent etc). He literally got outplayed by Andrew Wiggins. It's always about context. Not that "he had bad games." People just say that to shorthandle it. He legit has a lot to prove.
I agree he has a lot to prove in these finals but you should also include context on these stats. He just turned 24 at the time against the best rated defense in the league while playing with a broken wrist. He was also in his first finals against a team that had been to 6 finals in 8 years. People also always seem to remember that he played bad in the finals but don't give him credit for completely outplaying Kevin Durant, scoring 46 to keep his team alive in game 6 against Milwaukee, and playing a good series against Miami.
Thank you JJ!
Almost infinite number of factors go in to who wins and loses and just naturally there’s more or less variance on each of them. The game is hard esp at the nba level. Idc what the circumstances are you can’t expect any team to win by 20 consistently…..so I just laugh when ppl criticize Boston l for not winning big enough- a team that actually did hold a 20 point lead in just abt half of their games all szn!
Now I recognize that energy as respect. Ive been triggered in the past lol. But now I understand all that matters is winning in the end.
Celtics in 6! 🍀🍀🍀🍀
Islands in the League is my favorite format of JJ. He's just in his element.
When the best players’ job is to get doubled teamed and pass out them.
I presume he had a version where he discussed Anthony Davis in 2020, "bad game, then good game, then bad game", but it was too long. 😂
“Why great players have bad playoff games….6 years in a row” a guy who played with Chris Paul should understand this
True😂
Larry Bird, Tatum and AD would be one hell of a defensive and offensive nightmare to play against. Defensively brilliant. If you get bubble AD, you also get offensive brilliance.
JJ just join the Celtics coaching staff already. It's a win win!
Even if we lose I just want Tatum to play amazing every game tired of all the hate
Hate? What hate? We all know Tatum is great.
@@jaylebron777 that rhymes but unfortunately that doesn't make it true.
Sadly there is bigger chance of Tatum choking in final than him playing amazing every game....
@dvdv8197 I respect that. Why you feel the world hates Tatum?
As a cs fan I’m here to tell you you’re thinking abt this wrong my boy. None of the hate matters as long as we win! Who cares abt the Tatum slander. The game is played to win not to pat individual players on the back.
Cs will win too. Find peace in that ! 🍀🍀🍀🍀
For building around bird, trying to use no repeats like JJ tho I haven't watched all these:
Starters: Aaron Gordon, Jrue Holiday, Desmond Bane, Myles Turner
Bench: TJ Mcconell, Derrick Jones Jr., De'Anthony Melton, Derek Lively II
salaries should be around 190~
so many similarities haha, nifty nembhard pick! (i accidentally saw ad and jt were picked by jj so i kind of avoided them on purpose) nesmith instead of jones is a thought too.
Both Tatum and Luka are volume shooters and because of that they get a lot of points, but efficiency wise they are in the middle of the road, both tend to have 2 or 3 great games, but then have 1 or 2 stinkers. To me both are very similar and throughout the years have gotten bad raps, but for some reason this year the Mass Media has joined the Luka bandwagon...
Great Take Coach Reddick
That's a lot of Indiana boys to round out the Bird team. I love it.
I love how u picked your future center Ad. Lets go coach!!
Hey JJ! I love your shows! All of your Build-around teams are pretty impressive, but I'm going with the Jordan team, cause they've got Jordan!!!! And The Joker, so if MJ should have a bad game, which evertbody has from time to time as you so rightfully stated, he can work his magic. Would be awesome to see them play together! Furthermore, I think this team is quite strong defensively. Would be a fun tournament to watch between these four teams. Greetings from Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Luka’s bad games are everyone else best games of their career that’s the difference.
Also, JJ is annoying af now. What happened to him. Always complaining and negative.
What a creative way to bolster your pitch for an NBA head coaching position. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I have always seen more people saying “Tatum is unfairly criticized” way more than I have seen people saying he sucks
steph being robbed of that finals mvp in 2015 is absolutely absurd
I love JJ, he is always so even on things. Cheers Sir!
Bro why are you steady going at Tatum smh
We need your thoughts on the first two episodes of Clipped.
Wow it’s amazing how many great players had bad playoff games and don’t get a fraction of the hate Tatum gets.
Im not super into nba but i love your videos
people somehow hear ‘tatum isn’t top 5’ and think that means he sucks. nobody is claiming he’s not a great player, there’s just a gap between him and the top guys like luka and jokic
Thanks for putting respect on the Pacers name. And thanks for being grounded in your thoughts.
as much as most of the talking heads are hyper critical and put too much blame on star players, JJ is on the complete opposite end of the spectrum in never being too critical. I get it, he hasn't been out of the league that long, but I think he still has the mentality of a player in the league rather than an analyst looking in. i'm as big of a JJ supporter as they come, but it leads to some predictable takes and softball interviews.
Great episode.
I remember ur playoff games JJ. Straight tomato cans in close out games but ig it’s Docs fault even tho u played 30min+😂
the hate is probably cuz of the inconsistency. it’s not that JT hasn’t had a great game it’s cuz when we expect him to have a big game in the playoffs it’s like he vanished or didn’t do what we expected him to do. but when we didn’t expect him to have a big game he suddenly had it going on. no hate for him tho but for all the time I watched him play in the playoffs there are times where the media and us put a pressure on him on a certain game in the playoffs and most of those time he comes of underperform tho. and what i mean is that tho he probably perform greatly in terms of a star caliber, JT for us is a superstar, so even tho he probably had like 24/5/5 in that game we and the media see it as an underperformed game cuz we held him high so much. and we need to understand that not all the hate comes from nothing, it’s probably that fans got really tired when he got a game that is just good when we expect him to be great.
take Luka for example there are games where we really put pressure on him in the playoffs. and most of those times he did put a great performance. tho i’m not saying that he hasn’t had bad games but what i’m trying to say is that when the media put a pressure of him, the likelihood of him embracing that pressure and have a great game is better than tatum in terms of a superstar kinda of performance. not to mention tatum has been in a lot of ecf and 2 finals already so whether we like it or not fans is bound to have certain superstar expectations of him when fans expected him to have that superstar performance type of game.
Sick Larry Legend squad...clever nods to his Indiana upbringing
lol fitting that Larry gets a team entirely made of pacers
Tatum, Larry Bird, Anthony Davis and a stacked bench. Very unrealistic, you'd have to draft half the players here
So, Derrick White to the Lakers
Please trade Joker to the New York knicks and save him, He will be so happy there. Lots of horse race.
He will be very grateful and give you many rings in his prime years to come
So what happens to the show if you’re the lakers head coach😭
Is JJ a PR guy for NBA players? I feel like he has an official agreement never to criticize a player.
Dudes really think JB is better… dudes more consistent, but he consistently sees less double teams, trap plays.
The Tatum hate will be put to bed. Celtics in 5
🤣
Tatum can play decent the Celtics can win in 5 lmao replace TaBum with Kuzma and the celics will still be in the finals
@@genikhairav7662You mean replace kuzma with Tabum?
@@bigredracecar27 yea lol
Jj is perfect for this topic as he played with cp3 Blake griffin embiid and Ben Simmons generational chokers 😂
This video is to stop the Tatum and Celtics hate. They have went through the weak east that is weaker than even when Lebron was beating all those teams. He lost to a 8 seed Miami heat and jimmy butler outplayed Tatum and brown. It’s not like players are immune to bad games. They all have them. But what about having them in the biggest moments and biggest series and games. Only way to look at it positively is they are way ahead of the curve and all this experience will help them. They are either going to be the buffalo bills who went to 4 straight super bowls and never won or the Utah jazz of the 90s. Or they are about to learn from all the failures and be one of the best dynasties that ever existed by everyone’s projections from learning from failures and being ahead of the curve.
The unfortunate truth is there's only so few games to differentiate between the all time greats from those that aint. Professional sports is a cutthroat business, all who make it are great but how you play in big spots defines your career.
The point is all the GOATs played bad in big spots at some point.
It’s inevitable
JJ doing so much on Celtics, I'm starting to think he's taking a job there.
They’re in the fibals …
Thank you for another episode, Lakers futurr coach JJ Redick.
Is the podcast over now you're coach of LA?
He owns it. Probably going to still go on but be Lakers centric.
Do a build around JJ!
The best NBA podcaster is leaving us. Seems like he just got here. Screw the Lakers.
lebron cousey PG wemby is crazy
With Maxey too?
JJ just covering for Lebron and Tatum
jJ IS jUSt CoVeRInG fOR *player I'm hating on*
Jayson Tatum playoff performances get chopped up because he's boring to watch, and we tire of seeing him compared to the ELITE players. He's nowhere close to Luka, Jokic, Embiid, KD, Lebron and and Giannis AT ALL. Yet he's forced on us. That's why he gets dissected.
Better than KD embiid and lebron brotha
JJ you so smart and we so dumb thank you for making time to help us a dummmies understand bouncey ball
What is this straw-man argument? I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that most people realise that good players sometimes have bad games.
NBA apologist 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
just watched clipped i liked it that dude rly looks like you
SUP COACH!! 😜Please surround yrslf with assistant coaches that will not only compensate for any shortcomings but also challenge u. Good Luck with our Lakers Coach Reddick!! LFG LAKERS!!🤘😝🤘
dont forget. Celtics suck!
Every team is just way too op
its goodthat you were going for a coaching job and not a gm position 🤣
Please do a build around Wilt Chamberlain. He was so extremely dominating that he was probably quite difficult to play with.
boston winning it all 4-2
Celtics 4-0
JJ wth you sellin mask in your shop lmao 😂
Man I’m a Steph fan but still that create a team would get smoked by the other 3!
No team is beating a Jordan and Jokic team lol
A Steph and Shaq led squad is crazy too. Just those two cover the entire court and can score from anywhere.
Tfw Jamal had 90% bad playoff minutes this year🫂
Ahhh some perspective for the basketball idiots in the back!!!
Tatum gonna prove y’all wrong
Celtics in 6 baby
Team won't win. Bird would make Davis quit
Please 🙏🏾 coach my lakers!!!!
I never had a bad game in the NBA playoffs
Y’all really the same age 😂
JJ treats his RUclips channel like a resume for a coaching position
Do Shaq next