Increased spending to NHS is to give lucrative contracts to private suppliers including American multinational care providers/insurance companies and inflated profits to share holders. I would guess that privatisation of the NHS roughly 25% will have drained the increases from care and health to private proffit
"We send £350 million a week to the EU. Lets use it to reduce the number of nurses. Suspend the triple lock for prnsioners and introduce the biggest tax rise for working people since the end of World War 2"
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and the people that believed it are aalso the peeps you meet in the pub on a friday night making big claims about lots more jobs that they would do. Where's my bread and milk MFers? Why did i go to the store for the forth time this week to walk away without everything i needed? Answer: those friday night Bser's that have no balls.
But main point is we are not giving this money to EU anymore so it's a saving to spend wherever government wants to NHS or some other departments or keep it
@@mickeymouse8692 someone commented before watching the video to the end. You spend 14 billion pounds on EU institutions. You spend more money now than you did in 2016 😂
Almost none of the money was spent on the NHS it was spent on private contractors almost exclusively run by Tory donors who did not provide services real time funding for the actual NHS dropped.
@@willmoore505 It is a mess. Even your number misses off the 30% of spending that is the increase in the pension debts. The treat now pay latter cost. So what needs to change. The key thing is structural. Insurance, regulation and supply are combined. They need to be split. That makes a Bismark system, like Holland and Switzerland. They top the heatlh league. If you include scottish NHS, the NHS doesn't even make the top 20 and the trend is down. Think about the 3 legs. Insurance tells suppliers not to treat. ie. Post code lotteries. In a Bismark system, its treat first pay later. As it should be.
When an small news outlet explains in less than 10 minutes what the government was unable or more likely unwilling to do. It is really this unwillingness of being clear like this that is the problem with politics.
What's the numbers? It seems lots of sources such as Guardian (you probably will not acknowledge) stated the real amount UK pay is 136 million per week. Show us these correct numbers then
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@@anggasurbakti8269 If you go to the "ukpublicspending" website you can get the actual numbers. I've emailed and cross checked those both with the admins of that site and the ONS. I've the ONS data too, but you have to filter them out of a spreadsheet. They match. Here are the numbers, the formating is YT Year Total Weekly Increase per week 2016 135.3 2,602 0 2017 139.0 2,673 71 2018 143.9 2,767 165 2019 149.6 2,877 275 2020 160.8 3,092 490 2021 219.4 4,219 1,617 The total is in billions a year. The weekly is in millions a week. The increase is in millions a week So are you annoyed that the extra 1,617 million a week is too large and the NHS should only get an extra 350 million a week?
The UK's net contribution to the EU was £8.5 billion. Now, UK businesses need to pay £7.5 billion per year to deal with red tape introduced by Brexit (according to government figures, others put it closer to £20 billion). The UK also nees 50,000 additional customs officers to deal with that red tape and with checking imports from the EU. They will cost an additional £1.3 to £1.7 billion per year, adding up to 8.8 to 9.2 billion per year, so already a loss of £300 to £700 million per year instead of the pormised £350 million gained per week. That doesn't even include a single business selling less or moving outside of the UK.
@@willmoore505 just checked out your previous comments wow. You DO love Brexit long time. Cling on to that sinking ship 🤡 Once Covid has calmed I'm excited for my country to separate from England and the parasitic Tories and to see the end of the "union" in my lifetime. Thanks in no small part to smooth brains like yourself good man.
its a good comparation. the EU is like netflix. you pay in but you recive acess to an entire library of movies and series "we pay X pouds a month to netflix! lets save it" but then you realiz how expensive going to the cinema is. they forgot to mension that the fee brings access to institutions that bring wealth to the UK, by cutting costs, by giving market acess or just opening more doors.
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David Cameron must be pissing himself laughing rn the only mistake he made was call a Democratic election then he gracefully stepped aside when it won the 2 retards who took over from him have been one disaster after another all while Cameron is sitting in his nice house laughing that he's not dealing with this shit say what you want about David Cameron he was smart enough to realise where this shit was gonna lead and wanted no part in it
There is one more problem, and my local NHS Trust would tell you that they don't do the same job as they did in 2016/2017. Since then, the Conservative government put Social Care under the NHS and thus gave twice the workload but not twice the budget. In real terms, then, 100% more work for a few per cent more money doesn't add up.
I agree twice the workload has put a lot of my colleagues under extreme stress now emails, are coming round, asking staff to cover work elsewhere due to staff absences it's ridiculous
@@Gary-bz1rf Isn't it better to have not enough work in healthy times but right enough to do in a time of a pandemic than cut jobs because boredom and then being understaffed in a time of pandemic? It's the same as elsewhere, a healthy heath system cannot work like a profit driven company.
@@Gary-bz1rf It's not just the public sector, there's plenty of waste and departmental crap in many a medium to large private company. Usually it's because management aren't up to the job (or are just lazy) and don't want to have their department downsized as they palm much of what could and should be their work onto their staff.
@Gary Anecdotal evidence on its own is not evidence. Let me show you how to do anecdotal evidence, Since 2010 the tories have held down wages and made poverty worse. They did this by deliberately holding down public sector pay. They reduced the income bands for tax credits supporting less people. They decimated widows benefit making it far harder for widows who had lost their partner and had children. They introduced the bedroom tax to force people out of their homes. They reduced the number of children that tax credits covers sending more people into poverty They did such a bad job of benefit reforms they created fake testimonials on the back of their leaflets (AKA lying) They added a sadistic 5 week waiting list into tax credits which again meant that the people it was meant to help it didn’t. We’ve had the NI hike recently And finally the dementia tax for social care. You see the tories care about two things, money and power and if you think after all the cuts that there’s 90% too much staff you are deluded. The opposite is true. People in the public sector are overworked and underpaid Like my wife. She left the NHS after 29 years. When she left this year her hourly rate was 40p more than next years minimum wage. 40p. The facts and cutbacks and job cuts (45,000 police jobs alone) don’t speak of thousands and thousands of people doing nothing. All you are doing is repeating ancient Tory ideology, and, to be frank, I for one am getting sick of it.
They left a market of 450.000.000 potential customers because they saw it written on a bus. Let's just be glad the the bus didn't say "Let's invade France".
@@willmoore505 For sure an interesting thought. But would you say you're buying Chinese when you buy an Apple phone? For sure China does earn from that (especially considering the margins on slave labor) but it should be plainly obvious that the US has a pretty big stake in that business. Its about how big the profit margin is at different steps in the products lifecycle. There's some goods that are only marginally beneficial to countries other than China of course but it varies wildly. Looking around me right now the most obvious benefit to China is the phone I bought. Surprised by how much was actually made in the EU.
@@willmoore505 western financial companies including UK invest heavily in China rather than in the UK because the financial returns are better. Don't blame the Chinese for its economic rise financed by the west and cheap labour.
The thing is that what it would be hard for a court to decide what is misinterpreting data. For instance, see the Big Mac Index. Is that misinterpreting GDP data? Is it misinterpreting currency value data? Research in econometrics commonly includes transforming data in a way that the researcher thinks is the best way to answer their research question. This is always a biased decision, the best thing a researcher can do is be aware of themselves to make sure to minimize bias. Peer-reviewing also attests that at least two experts in the area agree that there's nothing absurd and that it is worth publishing, plus the editor which is an all-around expert in the general field that the journal publishes. But these are three (sometimes four) people that may also be biased. In fact, if they decided to publish, they *were* biased in some way. Every scientific journal worth its money gets way more submisssions than it has the capacity to publish and has to ignore a ton of good research. The decision to publish one manuscript, but not the other, is surely a product of, among many things, the emotions of the reviewers and the editor.
If only the Brexit referendum were actually binding, then the campaigns would be legally accountable for what they said, rather than being let off because not leaving the EU was still an option after the referendum.
Mark Rogers - I don’t really think many people believed it to be fair. If they did it was a failure as it only appeared in London and London voted Remain. On the other hand the Government still spent a fortune on the brochure sent to every household outlining in meticulous detail the effects of a Leave vote. Together with a recommendation to vote Remain. Media Planners estimate that swung the margin to Remain by up between 6-8 %. But we won’t mention that .
I still remember that bus back in 2016... Sigh... TLDR, would you please, please, make a video regarding Assange or a certain former PM’s knighthood debate.
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Pretty sure during the referendum campaign the remain side frequently and loudly pushed back on the 350m (without saying "it's only 200m"). All over the media.
@@nathancopestake2683 Did you know during the campaign the 350m was "a lie", was the gross number? If you did, why / how? If your pushback is "some papers were pro leave. That's not acceptable." Then fair enough.
@@danielwebb8402 at the time I wasn’t sure, I thought both sides of the campaign were an absolute embarrassment, the leave side repeatedly lied and twisted figures while Cameron was spreading nothing but fear, it was hard to know who to trust. I was 15 at the time so it didn’t matter I wasn’t allowed to vote
@@danielwebb8402 A court decided it wasn't a lie. Do you know better than the judgement made that Boris Johnson did not mislead relating to this? It may be a rare exception that his figures were accurate but they are. We were giving that money to the control of the EU even if they were granting us some back. The leave side were constantly held to account and were accurate, the fake news, the political bias, the scare stories, the false predictions and the nest feathering by all those receiving money from the EU however didn't seem to garnish the same level of scrutiny. Even despite this organised misinformation the British public thankfully saw through it.
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It's good that TLDR debunks the Brexiteer myths, but the thing is, those that voted for Brexit, aren't going to be swayed in any way with facts and figures. They will call it all, what was it? Remoaner propaganda? Glad that the rest of Europe has abandoned the 'leave the EU' idea, as I like being in the Union.
Higher food/energy prices, lower global trade, a shrinking economy and higher inflation were all once dismissed as 'Project Fear'. Even with all of that coming to fruition, most Brexiteers remain firmly entrenched in their belief and stand by the choice. As Michael Gove famously said about Brexit, "The people of this country have had enough of experts". Facts mean nothing to those people unfortunately, simple to understand narratives take priority over the truth, especially if those narratives appeal to their nationalism and anti-foreigner sentiment.
@@rvfharrier It's like the Trump voter. They are in too deep to return, it's like the sunk-cost fallacy. It's hard to accept that the thing you have believed for the better part of a decade was false all along.
@@domingodesantaclara1130 They never lied about it. De Gualle famously refused the UK's application multiple times because you just don't understand what an even union is. After putting up with English pompousness during ww2 he understood the general political mentality of the UK (specifically, England). The European project was never just an economic one. It's primary goal was to stop a potential WW3 in Europe by increasing economic and political ties between member states. I think that the History/Geo high school cursus has massively failed the general public. How you lot don't understand these basic facts baffles me, it must be because of it simply not being taught in school.
@@domingodesantaclara1130 bruh what ? The EU is like a Labour union , people think a single country like the UK can rival superpowers like China and the USA , the point of the EU is to act like a Federation of democratic states all with a similar goal. Leaving the EU is the worst choice and once all the brexiteers die off I don’t think many of the younger generation would hesitate to vote to rejoin .
That's it. When things aren't going well, start asking the uncomfortable questions. Eventually it'll lead everyone to the right question: Why the hell did Brexit take place?
It happened for a very simple reason: first, the education level of British society is very low, and second, a large part of the population thinks Britain is "great" - the size of a country depends on its population (its education). Britain was great 400 years ago, robbing the world and trading opium
Prior to leaving the EU the UK Government spent 0.7% (to be clear that's less than 1%)of its total spending on EU fees. The NHS budget took 20.3% of Government spending so increasing NHS spending by 0.7% of the budget to bring the cost of the NHS up to 21% of Government spending is just a drop in the ocean.What was all the fuss about?
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Export less, import more, less fdi, lower quality of life for the sake of this 0.7. It was great value for money, and most people are still blinded by emotive but meaningless slogans, and still can't see what a good deal we had.
@@Hession0Drasha You saw today's GDP data? That all this lower trade has meant diddly squat. The UK got back to its end 19 level either the same month or one before the holy EU. Certainly no Brexit "cost" / hit.
One thing I’d disagree with is the extra fundings in 2020 and 2021 are Covid funding. When the bus was made, they talked about staff and infrastructures gains. So this funding doesn’t really count as it would have been spent nevertheless.
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It's sad that this video at its core so clearly misrepresents the wording written on the side of the bus that it shows. We can read what it says on the side of the bus. It doesn't say the NHS would receive that sum of money.
Exactly, it says the word "send" not net cost send ! and all those that spread the myth "Where is that £350 Million for the NHS" just copy and paste the following The NHS budget and how it has changed It shows clearly NHS spending has risen by nearly £400 million per week since 2016 and that's EXCLUDING the pandemic spending !
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@@PNETriffid He keeps saying the bus said 'additional' when actually the bus said 'instead'. So, I rent a garage for £350 per month and use it to tinker about on old cars. My wife who looks after our young children and has no income says I'm wasting time and money. So, I agree to give up the garage and use the extra money on groceries instead. Providing our spending on groceries does not fall below £350 each month - there's no issue.
@@Iazzaboyce He uses the word additional, because the promised 350 million was in 'addition' to the existing NHS budget. Your analogy also ignores the money lost by not being in the World's largest trading block. The kids are going to go hungry, and if you think Boris and Farage give a monkeys´ you need to lie down in a padded cell for a few years.
To be frank to a certain extent haven't the brexiters already admitted that economy was secondary and their primary reason for brexit was the principle of sovereignty(as they perceived it) or to be more blunt sovereignty in one particular matter i.e. immigration.
Membership of the EU was never really about economics though was it? Especially given the size of the UK economy and only 6 % of UK businesses being involved in exporting to the EU. The gross contribution figure was actually beyond 15 billion per year. Given also that products subject to mutually agreed standards were only 150 billion that is one hell of a subsidy to those companies . Services have never been subjected to EU rules as the EU had tried to for 15 years to find an agreement on services and couldn’t. The economic arguments were not as strong as people like to make out set against the consequences of FOM etc.
it was not secondary to everyone, some people (specially poor ones from more rural areas) voted out because they were promised better quality of life (e.i. more money to NHS = better services).
For me as someone that voted to leave it was more about sovereignty than economics, sovereignty in terms of laws and regulations and economics in terms of having trade deals outside of the EU, although admittedly its my fault for having faith that things would overall be better (to a degree, I still believe in the long term we'll be better off when the world gets back to normal) yet regarding the immigration I would say that's gotten a whole lot worse since leaving all one needs to do is look at the statistics of those crossing the channel which since leaving France is blatantly allowing them to cross but in central London where I live I haven't noticed any changes in the demographics with those that live and work around here its still the same people working in the shops and I personally know people that applied for settled status and got it without issue, now obviously it depends upon what field people are working in and their actual goals or motivations yet regarding the apparent number of people that went back home or left the UK (depending on what term you want to call it) I'd say that those people wasn't really looking at staying here that long anyway or believed the hype that the UK is racist when clearly it isn't, yes there's no doubt that people are racist or bigoted but in general terms the UK is one of the most accepting countries in the world hence why so many want to come here and stay here
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There is one serious issue that is not covered here (Still a good video). The extra funding does come with major restrictions on how it can be spent so for example there are clauses that say funding amount Y must be spent with private company X (Or at least must be spent in the private sector) or not at all. so a large portion the cash never reaches the NHS but is still labled as a funding increase.
Sounds like EU money to me, except that EU money is more expensive as you need to jump through all kinds of hoops to get it and probably hire an external consulting company to help you with the application and related paperwork.
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The Government was always free to shovel ££ into the NHS independent of UK GDP and Export earnings simply by printing money or borrowing more. It was easy to make it appear as a Brexit dividend for those unable or unwilling to do the tough analytical forensics.
Ah yes, devalue the economy to support a dying and often inept medical institution... The nhs is over. It produces sub par everything with very little recourse.
@@richardcope8102 private medical care would save your life and if you had done the sensible and saved 1.5k in NI every year you'd be able to afford it.
So if the UK sends 137 million £ to the EU that's the if divided on the whole population a bit more than 10£ per month and person? We are literally talking about a Netflix subscription here. Even if only half of the population works and pays tax that is still less than 25£ per month and person. So in the end it costed the UK very little to be in the EU.
And for that Netflix sub they'd have gotten free access to the single market and no tariffs on anything imported from there, as well as the benefits of all the EU's trade deals that the UK is no longer party to. Dunno about you, but i'm guessing that costs a tad more than just 10£ per month.
@@Llortnerof - Many don’t care about pounds and pennies, or what I mean is that it depends on priorities. Netflix is like the last thing on the agenda. The U.K. is one of the best well off countries on the planet. Maybe you’re from a tiny shithole and don’t get it
@@corradomancini3271 _Was_ one of the best well-off countries on the planet. Also, i don't believe that for a second. They may claim that, but the moment their wallets actually feel the hit, their opinion on it will change.
@@corradomancini3271 We did not discuss want you want. We discussed what the actual cost is. What's so hard to understand? 🤦🏼♂️ Although it is possible to argue that the UK wants to be part of the EU since the split was pretty much 50/50 back in 2016.. And the Pro-EU side seems to have grown. Honestly you brexiters really wants to believe you are in some type of majority when you just barely scraped by a victory in the referendum. Whats most annoying with you brexiters however is that you have no clear argument for why leaving is better. That's why you now refer to the "UK wanted to leave" - argument. Pathetic. You keep blaming the EU on everything that's wrong with your country, when it's clear that your politicians are to blame.
And what about the cost of social care? A massive support service for the NHS that has been decimated by the Tories, thus leaving the NHS to pick up the slack from its own funding. Might I suggest that you next look into how many E.U. "laws" have been struck off the U.K. statute books and what they affect? What exactly have we "taken back control" of?
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Brexit supporters simply looked at the membership fee and subtracted what we got back in subsidies. It's like renting a property and the landlord giving you a sum to fit the property out. If that subsidy is less than the rent, is that a loss? No because the property does a roaring trade making you a fortune.
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LIAR!! We simply think the British people should be in full control of Britain. You traitors saw membership of the EU as a way of bypassing a Govt you dislike and instead be ruled by foreigners you are more politically aligned with.
Considering that a pandemic occurred in the meanwhile, it'd have been absurd to see no increase of funding to the NHS. And again giving more money to the NHS is a political choice that has nothing to do with the Brexit. And if you also take into account the costs associated with the new customs barriers and no direct access to the main market for the UK (an actual consequence of Brexit), this entire discussion around reverting some money from one area to another becomes counterintuitive...
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What we got for the money was is a shared civil service which is far more efficient than each country having their own resources to do the same work. During the term of EU membership the UK consistently reduced its internal resources for things the shared civil service where looking after, to the point they were practically useless. The problem is that UK politicians have no real clue what happens overall in gov't in the civil service, they just "try" to save money by cutting staff and resources. As a result we no longer have the expertise and resources we did before the EU.
And they can't even ship of their victims to europe anymore for operations and diagnosis because of brexit. So that hurts double after syphoning even more money from the already underfunded NHS :/
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A lot of people who voted to leave also wanted the old money back, centre partings and baggy shorts for footballers, corporal punishment at schools and black and white television to return. Lol
Idk I'm only mid twenties and I voted to leave on economic grounds. Albeit our leaders have completely failed to negotiate any decent dealings with the eu who are similarly invested in giving us a "bad deal" to make it look worse for any other states trying to leave. Football sucks.
@@simeonsimon6440 I hate to shatter your delusions, but there was simply no way for the UK to gain any economic benefits from leaving the biggest market in the world. Regardless whatever else may have come, you lost the extreme powerful negotiation position of being one of the shot callers of said market. Any result that would have let you reap some of the benefits of being in the EU (access to the single market for example) would make Brexit a moot point, as you would still have been subject to EU regulations, but now without the ability to influence them directly. I give to you that with better politicians you might have been out of the red in a couple of decades, but now... it moved from a problem to a utter disaster.
You forgot women wearing skirts. Also unironically yes Black and white telly = people watching less of it Footballers wearing baggy trousers = footballers no longer being celebrities modelling daft haircuts Corporal punishment in schools = school able to actually deal with bullying, bad behaviour and laziness Old money = epic troll of all visitors to UK
Some maybe, but not all. Some don't like the idea of a European Superstate and do like being less tied to Europe and more to the World as a whole - where the growth is. There would certainly be losses before there were major gains, and Globalisation is in retreat because of people like Trump, Xi and a general despotisation of government. So time will tell, and it's done now so perhaps best to make the most of it.
Actual answer; yes. It pained him to say yes, as he's a raging lefty. A technical yes is still a yes. You just feel like a no and feelings aren't data.
@@davenorth1265 I know my dude. Constantly frothing at the mouth and repeating the same Ben Shapiro talking point from 2016 isn't data either; it's quite cringe actually.
The actual amount of money given to an institution like the NHS is not the whole story. Another huge factor is how the money is spent by that institution. Judging by the writings of people like Dr. Anthony Daniels a.k.a. Theodore Dalrymple, a long time practitioner within the NHS, stupendous amounts of money within the NHS are spent on bureaucrats and middle management, i.e. bureaucrats rather than doctors, nurses, equipment or infrastructure. If the increased post-Brexit funding of the NHS, whatever the amount, went only to hiring yet more bureaucrats, then it's hard for me to see that this was actually a benefit. Does anyone have any information on how much additional money is now available that actually benefits patients, as opposed to administrators? For instance, are wait times for doctors and procedures improved or worse?
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£136 Million per week (after rebate) is a lot of money to be in a “special club”. Putting that figure on the side of a bus would be just as powerful as £350 mil in my opinion. They didn’t have to inflate the figures to scare people.
Covid funding would have happened regardless of Brexit and this should not be muddled up with a promised Brexit dividend for NHS extra staff & infrastructure funding.
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@@tonyb9735 Exposing lies from the past as Kim is proposing doesn't help anybody, it just fuels believing on both sides. Better to face the challenges of the presence, i.e. generating a constitution worth century 21.
The NHS trust at my mother’s hospital is literally making lots of staff re-apply for their own jobs, that as well as inviting people to re-write their job descriptions so they can be “reassessed”, all so they can hand out salary CUTS to save money. It’s a scandal. They’ve also been drowning admin staff by refusing to rehire positions in depts where people have quit or retired so the work load gets even larger for remaining staff, productivity suffers, and the calls to replace the vacancies get repeatedly ignored. OH! And to top it off, might be time to dock your salary when you’re taking your work home and working through weekends just to keep heads above water. So much for extra funding!!🤨 everytime I hear these stories I don’t understand why it’s not national news because it really is a scandal. If they dock my mum’s salary after all the extra, unpaid, unbilled hours she’s done, I’m gonna be fuming 😤
Glad to see the channel grew. Less than an hour and already 110 comments. Anyway, good analysis, although I'd argue that covid made everything more complicated. Every country put more money in the health sector in 2020 and 2021. Perhaps a good analysis would be: how much was added relative to similarly rich and/or similarly affected countries. One other thing that I'd like to point out is that access to the European Single Market is not a subjective issue in an economic analysis. It's objective, there's real and countable money coming in and going out of the UK. What would be subjective is, for instance, the impact of the closed borders on the quality of health professionals and researchers.
Great point. That's a huge report though with so many varying factors. My mind was immediately drawn to thinking how I would quantify the costings for the EU countries that had their PPE stolen en-route by other EU countries. Same as how the countries reported Coronavirus deaths and instances back in the beginning, we all have different metrics. It would take decades to sift. You have got to stop somewhere and that in itself leads to incomplete data, where do you stop without displaying bias? .
So if there is objectively less trade with the EU. Which you can calculate the value added of. And you can calculate if there is an increase in trade with non EU countries. But difficult to say if that were Brexit related or not. So subjective. And even more subjective to calculate what we do domestically with the spare resource from not trading with the EU. Assuming that "lost" work isn't replaced with thumb twiddling (which given unemployment figures it isn't) but other value added work. Import substitution etc.
This video adopts the style of calling power to account while examining an institution with no power. The 'leave side' like its counterpart the 'remain side' was constituted solely to air opinions in a debate, at the end of which both were dissolved. Unfortunately, as ever, tendentious statements were aired on both sides.
Brexit made less money available, less trade less tax revenue. The nhs money came from all of us. The cost of having a less efficient/productive economy than before.
It's not the politicians' job to present accurate information to the public to allow us to make an informed decision. Their job is use whatever means necessary to make us believe we are making an informed decision, while making sure the decision is the one that makes them and their friends the most money possible. So, where did the money that went "to the NHS" actually go?
Germany hasn't got a central NHS but a rather complex two-tier system. Most people are insured with "Gesetzliche Krankenkassen" - statutory health insurance companies. They are mandatory for workers and employees with salaries up to roughly 4,800 €/month. The monthly payment to this is roughly 15% of the salary, to be split between the employer and the employee. Higher paid employees and self-employed people can opt out of this and buy private health insurance instead. Those calculate their prices according to age and state of health, not as a percentage of income - which usually makes them very cheap initially but more expensive later. The state usually stays out of the insurers' funding but heavily regulates how they operate and occasionally props up a statutory health insurer in need of help. So to Germans, the idea of linking a trade bloc to health insurance sounds pretty suspect...
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This is what I love about politicians. They have never claimed 350mill goes to NHS, they said "let's fund the NHS instead" and they do, they are funding the NHS! What is the problem people why do you all want to send 350mill to NHS when we can pay more National Insurance contribution instead while we have to wait months just to get an X-Ray done?
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There is no where written that the money will go to the NHS. It simply says, let's fund our NHS after the statement. If I say, I spend 2000 pounds in rent, but by moving out and living in a tent I could fund my health insurance, it is not the same thing as saying "i will pay £2000 in health insurance"
@@ashholiday123 not their view that’s the problem it’s the lies they told to persuade people to that view and the face of the leave campaign was a serial liar
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An important point you've missed, is what would have been rise needed to keep parity with inflation over the last five years. The COVID related increase is temporary.
A loaf of bread is £5, we have been given £1 for last 10 years but now the tories have given us and extra £2 to make to £3 altogether. We should be ever grateful.
Not really, I'm afraid, the figures on NHS spending shows it has risen to by another £395 million per week since 2016, see here for yourself, copy and paste The NHS budget and how it has changed
Brexit saves a net contribution of 0.3% GDP. It also wiill result in a 4% lower GDP by the most conservative estimate, resulting in £40bn lost tax revenues. On top come additional costs for 50,000 customs officers, duplications of agencies, replacement of IT systems and data bases at tax payers expense. On top comes the additional burdens for private individuals and businesses, such as duplication of CE mark, custons paperwork, veterinary checks, rules of origin, re-structuring of supply chains, visas etc. Plus the loss of benefits and opportunities for many people, like EHIC, roaming charges, 90/180 visa rules, required tax residency when staying more than 180/360, recogniti8n of qualificatuons a.s.o. Wealthy people won't be deterred by that, but many less wealthy will lose. On top comes the internal division and possible Scottish independence. On the plus side, the rejection of all the above led to an increase in theoretical sovereignty, which doesn't give any tangible benefit.
@@danielcrafter9349 Oh yes, the ones they could have done anyway, like Croatia decided to do. Sorry for fogetting that huge benefit. BTW the addotional cost to the economy only to fill out the additioal 40 million customs declarations per year is estimeted by HMRC at 12.8bn. I don't know if this is for the 50k officers on thei HMRC side, or on the side of businesses to fill in the forms. What a massive build-up of red tape! The chemical and pharma industry each estimete the cost of replicating databases and certifications at 1bn each. And then there is the divorce bill ....
In NO way does the sign on that Bus say that the money destined for the EU would be used to fund the NHS, It Reads 'We send the EU £350 million a week'. STOP ' 2nd Statement ' Let Fund our NHS' STOP. Only the most stupid in society could see that bus as suggesting we will be commiting £350m a week to the NHS
Would NHS get these 16b and 22b if pandemic wouldn't happened ? And in my opinion those money shouldn't be mention as a boost presented on the bus because we didn't know pandemic would happen. But if government would like to add these money anyway than we can talk about money that have been wasted on fishy contracts, track & trace and there are still unloaded containers at the ports with medical equipment unfit to use ordered precisely to deal with pandemic. Do the math now please.
The UK is poorer due to brexit. There is not more money to spend, only less. Exactly as bloomberg economics predicted before it happened.. I believe they predicted a permanent loss of 4% of gdp growth.
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@@Habib_Osman Prediction. Is future. No impact so far. Which isn't consistent with their 2016 or 2019 predictions. But am sure they'll be right THIS time. Honest guv.
When Government offers to pump more money into things that may actually benefit the general public, you can be certain that massive inflation is right around the corner, making the additional money completely redundant.
They promise that this money would come from the "Brexit divided", so provided that was true then inflation wouldn't be an issue. Of course instead of getting that divided, we're getting tax rises.
To my mind, the biggest myth on the side of the red bus was the implication that the amount paid by the UK to the EU formed a significant proportion of the UK annual budget. I would be very happy if someone is able to confirm or correct the following. The annual net UK contribution to the EU in 2016 of between £8.1 billion and £9.4 billion was between 1% and 1.2% of the total UK annual budget of around £814.6 billion (see Office of National Statistics, The UK contribution to the EU budget). This percentage is a more important statistic than the actual amount. The UK payment was something which the UK could afford, and insignificant compared to the benefit that the UK received from free access to the Single Market, regulatory compliance, and the passporting arrangements for UK companies in the finance and banking sectors. Boris Johnson acknowledged this in his celebrated pro-Remain draft article: “This is a market on our doorstep, ready for further exploitation by British firms. The membership fee seems rather small for all that access. Why are we so determined to turn our back on it?” he wrote.
From the Netherlands. Thanks for the laughs on you Brexiteer lot claiming Brexit a success. A country that voted for a clown deserves to be treated as clowns (apologies for those who voted against Brexit and Johnson).
Erm its budget went up every year in real terms, but thanks for playing If you allow for inflation AND population growth AND ageing population, you can find one year where the nhs budget fell (11-12) by 0.00000001%. Apart from that. Increased every year even allowing for all the excuses.
@Zuurker U They have a majority in Parliament. The UK uses FPTP voting, which means a majority in parliament does not mean the majority voted for them. Most people in England do not want them.
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Being in my 50s I grew up (and perhaps the fact my dad was in the RAF) hearing all the time about the "Peace Dividend" that would follow the end of the Cold War..... As I see in other than handful of Russians that became very rich and moved to the UK, I really don't think any of us gained much or anything from that dividend!
Remember when David Cameron said vote no…..maybe we should have listened on that one. The referendum should have had a higher watermark of 65-70% to leave.
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"We send £350 million a week to the EU. Lets give it to our Tory mates instead" doesn't quite have the same ring to it though.
Although it would be more accurate, honest and truthful.
Increased spending to NHS is to give lucrative contracts to private suppliers including American multinational care providers/insurance companies and inflated profits to share holders. I would guess that privatisation of the NHS roughly 25% will have drained the increases from care and health to private proffit
"We send £350 million a week to the EU. Lets use it to reduce the number of nurses. Suspend the triple lock for prnsioners and introduce the biggest tax rise for working people since the end of World War 2"
Better than giving it to the likes of Macron who would use it to piss off the citizens of France
And how much the UK receive back from UE ??
Short answer: no. Long answer: Boris lied, again. And if you believed what was written on the side of a bus, then you’ve got bigger problems.
Lol! SO true, these ppl are still singing and thewheels on the bus go round and round, round and round. Intelligence of toddlers
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and the people that believed it are aalso the peeps you meet in the pub on a friday night making big claims about lots more jobs that they would do.
Where's my bread and milk MFers? Why did i go to the store for the forth time this week to walk away without everything i needed? Answer: those friday night Bser's that have no balls.
But main point is we are not giving this money to EU anymore so it's a saving to spend wherever government wants to NHS or some other departments or keep it
@@mickeymouse8692 someone commented before watching the video to the end. You spend 14 billion pounds on EU institutions. You spend more money now than you did in 2016 😂
Almost none of the money was spent on the NHS it was spent on private contractors almost exclusively run by Tory donors who did not provide services real time funding for the actual NHS dropped.
Thank god an expert is here.
So we provided the money, and the NHS pissed it away.
@@Nickle314 the NHS is a £150 billion ,disorganised mess. 13% employees are ' sick '!! No!! They get unlimited sick pay and take the piss.
@@willmoore505 It is a mess. Even your number misses off the 30% of spending that is the increase in the pension debts. The treat now pay latter cost.
So what needs to change. The key thing is structural. Insurance, regulation and supply are combined. They need to be split. That makes a Bismark system, like Holland and Switzerland. They top the heatlh league. If you include scottish NHS, the NHS doesn't even make the top 20 and the trend is down.
Think about the 3 legs. Insurance tells suppliers not to treat. ie. Post code lotteries. In a Bismark system, its treat first pay later. As it should be.
It’s crazy how corrupt this is, and a lot of people either still don’t know or don’t even care 🤷♀️
When an small news outlet explains in less than 10 minutes what the government was unable or more likely unwilling to do. It is really this unwillingness of being clear like this that is the problem with politics.
Except they got the numbers wrong.
What's the numbers? It seems lots of sources such as Guardian (you probably will not acknowledge) stated the real amount UK pay is 136 million per week. Show us these correct numbers then
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@@anggasurbakti8269 If you go to the "ukpublicspending" website you can get the actual numbers. I've emailed and cross checked those both with the admins of that site and the ONS. I've the ONS data too, but you have to filter them out of a spreadsheet. They match.
Here are the numbers, the formating is YT
Year Total Weekly Increase per week
2016 135.3 2,602 0
2017 139.0 2,673 71
2018 143.9 2,767 165
2019 149.6 2,877 275
2020 160.8 3,092 490
2021 219.4 4,219 1,617
The total is in billions a year. The weekly is in millions a week. The increase is in millions a week
So are you annoyed that the extra 1,617 million a week is too large and the NHS should only get an extra 350 million a week?
The public punishes honesty
The UK's net contribution to the EU was £8.5 billion. Now, UK businesses need to pay £7.5 billion per year to deal with red tape introduced by Brexit (according to government figures, others put it closer to £20 billion). The UK also nees 50,000 additional customs officers to deal with that red tape and with checking imports from the EU. They will cost an additional £1.3 to £1.7 billion per year, adding up to 8.8 to 9.2 billion per year, so already a loss of £300 to £700 million per year instead of the pormised £350 million gained per week. That doesn't even include a single business selling less or moving outside of the UK.
Thank god you know. And aren't simply repeating your preferred brainwashing material.
@@willmoore505 Will calling out TL;DR like a one man army of Tory donors. You love Brexit long time?
@@willmoore505 just checked out your previous comments wow. You DO love Brexit long time. Cling on to that sinking ship 🤡
Once Covid has calmed I'm excited for my country to separate from England and the parasitic Tories and to see the end of the "union" in my lifetime. Thanks in no small part to smooth brains like yourself good man.
@@imoldgregg8571 we're all happy to see you leave and be dictaed to by Brussels. But the EU don't even want to prop up your economy.
@@imoldgregg8571 thankfully there's the Liebour Party, supporting murdering terrorist organisations. Congratulations. You lost. You loose.
May makes it sound like she’s cancelling her Netflix membership
its a good comparation.
the EU is like netflix. you pay in but you recive acess to an entire library of movies and series
"we pay X pouds a month to netflix! lets save it"
but then you realiz how expensive going to the cinema is.
they forgot to mension that the fee brings access to institutions that bring wealth to the UK, by cutting costs, by giving market acess or just opening more doors.
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David Cameron must be pissing himself laughing rn the only mistake he made was call a Democratic election then he gracefully stepped aside when it won the 2 retards who took over from him have been one disaster after another all while Cameron is sitting in his nice house laughing that he's not dealing with this shit say what you want about David Cameron he was smart enough to realise where this shit was gonna lead and wanted no part in it
^lmao good example. Kinda like cancelling Netflix only to go back to buying movies on DVD
There is one more problem, and my local NHS Trust would tell you that they don't do the same job as they did in 2016/2017.
Since then, the Conservative government put Social Care under the NHS and thus gave twice the workload but not twice the budget.
In real terms, then, 100% more work for a few per cent more money doesn't add up.
I agree twice the workload has put a lot of my colleagues under extreme stress now emails, are coming round, asking staff to cover work elsewhere due to staff absences it's ridiculous
@@Gary-bz1rf it's not the case where I work it's the total opposite we cant cope due to the massive workloads dumped on us
@@Gary-bz1rf Isn't it better to have not enough work in healthy times but right enough to do in a time of a pandemic than cut jobs because boredom and then being understaffed in a time of pandemic? It's the same as elsewhere, a healthy heath system cannot work like a profit driven company.
@@Gary-bz1rf
It's not just the public sector, there's plenty of waste and departmental crap in many a medium to large private company.
Usually it's because management aren't up to the job (or are just lazy) and don't want to have their department downsized as they palm much of what could and should be their work onto their staff.
@Gary
Anecdotal evidence on its own is not evidence.
Let me show you how to do anecdotal evidence,
Since 2010 the tories have held down wages and made poverty worse.
They did this by deliberately holding down public sector pay.
They reduced the income bands for tax credits supporting less people.
They decimated widows benefit making it far harder for widows who had lost their partner and had children.
They introduced the bedroom tax to force people out of their homes.
They reduced the number of children that tax credits covers sending more people into poverty
They did such a bad job of benefit reforms they created fake testimonials on the back of their leaflets (AKA lying)
They added a sadistic 5 week waiting list into tax credits which again meant that the people it was meant to help it didn’t.
We’ve had the NI hike recently
And finally the dementia tax for social care.
You see the tories care about two things, money and power and if you think after all the cuts that there’s 90% too much staff you are deluded. The opposite is true. People in the public sector are overworked and underpaid
Like my wife. She left the NHS after 29 years. When she left this year her hourly rate was 40p more than next years minimum wage.
40p.
The facts and cutbacks and job cuts (45,000 police jobs alone) don’t speak of thousands and thousands of people doing nothing. All you are doing is repeating ancient Tory ideology, and, to be frank, I for one am getting sick of it.
They left a market of 450.000.000 potential customers because they saw it written on a bus.
Let's just be glad the the bus didn't say "Let's invade France".
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You voted Labour because daddy said so. PS China isn't inthe EU......yet the tak in your house is 60% chinese. Wake up dopey.
@@willmoore505 Sir , are you alright, you don't seem to be on full control of your faculties
@@willmoore505 For sure an interesting thought. But would you say you're buying Chinese when you buy an Apple phone? For sure China does earn from that (especially considering the margins on slave labor) but it should be plainly obvious that the US has a pretty big stake in that business. Its about how big the profit margin is at different steps in the products lifecycle.
There's some goods that are only marginally beneficial to countries other than China of course but it varies wildly. Looking around me right now the most obvious benefit to China is the phone I bought. Surprised by how much was actually made in the EU.
@@willmoore505 western financial companies including UK invest heavily in China rather than in the UK because the financial returns are better.
Don't blame the Chinese for its economic rise financed by the west and cheap labour.
If only misinterpreting data from the ONS was a crime, and that the ONS can sue for it, maybe it would’ve stemmed the effects of the Brexit bus lie.
usually that's the job of the media but i guess all those people parading MSM as liars didn't pay attention to what they said.
We would have no Politicians, SAGE or Media left at all.
The thing is that what it would be hard for a court to decide what is misinterpreting data. For instance, see the Big Mac Index. Is that misinterpreting GDP data? Is it misinterpreting currency value data?
Research in econometrics commonly includes transforming data in a way that the researcher thinks is the best way to answer their research question. This is always a biased decision, the best thing a researcher can do is be aware of themselves to make sure to minimize bias. Peer-reviewing also attests that at least two experts in the area agree that there's nothing absurd and that it is worth publishing, plus the editor which is an all-around expert in the general field that the journal publishes.
But these are three (sometimes four) people that may also be biased. In fact, if they decided to publish, they *were* biased in some way. Every scientific journal worth its money gets way more submisssions than it has the capacity to publish and has to ignore a ton of good research. The decision to publish one manuscript, but not the other, is surely a product of, among many things, the emotions of the reviewers and the editor.
If only Labour didn't support the IRA and Hamas. They might get voted into office. But..........
If only the Brexit referendum were actually binding, then the campaigns would be legally accountable for what they said, rather than being let off because not leaving the EU was still an option after the referendum.
I know people (unfortunately) that still believe that this is true. It's an absolute disgrace.
Sad
With the 350 million a week the NHS has more funds available for copeium.
Propaganda is useful
Why don't you tell them, now and then, it's really only 200m? Why didn't the remain campaign have a bus with 200m on?
Mark Rogers - I don’t really think many people believed it to be fair. If they did it was a failure as it only appeared in London and London voted Remain. On the other hand the Government still spent a fortune on the brochure sent to every household outlining in meticulous detail the effects of a Leave vote. Together with a recommendation to vote Remain. Media Planners estimate that swung the margin to Remain by up between 6-8 %. But we won’t mention that .
I still remember that bus back in 2016... Sigh...
TLDR, would you please, please, make a video regarding Assange or a certain former PM’s knighthood debate.
The knighthood debate vid has been eine already...
@@notroll1279 Has been “eine” already?
Nein, they haven’t made “eine” about that.
This video does a great job of illustrating how context and history are more important that dubious claims made by politicians. Thank you for posting!
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Thanks TLDR for the facts. Now if only every news outlet would be prepared to do the same and hold those who lie accountable.
Pretty sure during the referendum campaign the remain side frequently and loudly pushed back on the 350m (without saying "it's only 200m"). All over the media.
@@danielwebb8402 he said if only every news outlet did the same, he didn’t say anything about the remain side.
@@nathancopestake2683
Did you know during the campaign the 350m was "a lie", was the gross number? If you did, why / how?
If your pushback is "some papers were pro leave. That's not acceptable." Then fair enough.
@@danielwebb8402 at the time I wasn’t sure, I thought both sides of the campaign were an absolute embarrassment, the leave side repeatedly lied and twisted figures while Cameron was spreading nothing but fear, it was hard to know who to trust. I was 15 at the time so it didn’t matter I wasn’t allowed to vote
@@danielwebb8402 A court decided it wasn't a lie. Do you know better than the judgement made that Boris Johnson did not mislead relating to this? It may be a rare exception that his figures were accurate but they are.
We were giving that money to the control of the EU even if they were granting us some back.
The leave side were constantly held to account and were accurate, the fake news, the political bias, the scare stories, the false predictions and the nest feathering by all those receiving money from the EU however didn't seem to garnish the same level of scrutiny. Even despite this organised misinformation the British public thankfully saw through it.
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"Is the NHS now loaded?"
Let me make it simple for you. No, it isn't.
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It recieves 20% of the total Income Tax take in the UK. It bloody well should be.
It's good that TLDR debunks the Brexiteer myths, but the thing is, those that voted for Brexit, aren't going to be swayed in any way with facts and figures. They will call it all, what was it? Remoaner propaganda?
Glad that the rest of Europe has abandoned the 'leave the EU' idea, as I like being in the Union.
Higher food/energy prices, lower global trade, a shrinking economy and higher inflation were all once dismissed as 'Project Fear'. Even with all of that coming to fruition, most Brexiteers remain firmly entrenched in their belief and stand by the choice. As Michael Gove famously said about Brexit, "The people of this country have had enough of experts". Facts mean nothing to those people unfortunately, simple to understand narratives take priority over the truth, especially if those narratives appeal to their nationalism and anti-foreigner sentiment.
I hope we join again eventually, specifically when the older generation who voted for brexit are gone.
@@rvfharrier It's like the Trump voter. They are in too deep to return, it's like the sunk-cost fallacy. It's hard to accept that the thing you have believed for the better part of a decade was false all along.
@@domingodesantaclara1130 They never lied about it. De Gualle famously refused the UK's application multiple times because you just don't understand what an even union is. After putting up with English pompousness during ww2 he understood the general political mentality of the UK (specifically, England).
The European project was never just an economic one. It's primary goal was to stop a potential WW3 in Europe by increasing economic and political ties between member states.
I think that the History/Geo high school cursus has massively failed the general public. How you lot don't understand these basic facts baffles me, it must be because of it simply not being taught in school.
@@domingodesantaclara1130 bruh what ? The EU is like a Labour union , people think a single country like the UK can rival superpowers like China and the USA , the point of the EU is to act like a Federation of democratic states all with a similar goal. Leaving the EU is the worst choice and once all the brexiteers die off I don’t think many of the younger generation would hesitate to vote to rejoin .
That's it. When things aren't going well, start asking the uncomfortable questions. Eventually it'll lead everyone to the right question: Why the hell did Brexit take place?
What’s your answer?
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It happened for a very simple reason: first, the education level of British society is very low, and second, a large part of the population thinks Britain is "great" - the size of a country depends on its population (its education). Britain was great 400 years ago, robbing the world and trading opium
because we don't like the EU. it's that simple
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Prior to leaving the EU the UK Government spent 0.7% (to be clear that's less than 1%)of its total spending on EU fees. The NHS budget took 20.3% of Government spending so increasing NHS spending by 0.7% of the budget to bring the cost of the NHS up to 21% of Government spending is just a drop in the ocean.What was all the fuss about?
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It's our 50p, not Slovenia's.
Export less, import more, less fdi, lower quality of life for the sake of this 0.7. It was great value for money, and most people are still blinded by emotive but meaningless slogans, and still can't see what a good deal we had.
@@Hession0Drasha
Lower quality of life?
In your opinion.
@@Hession0Drasha
You saw today's GDP data? That all this lower trade has meant diddly squat. The UK got back to its end 19 level either the same month or one before the holy EU. Certainly no Brexit "cost" / hit.
Short answer: No
Long answer: No, but with more words
One thing I’d disagree with is the extra fundings in 2020 and 2021 are Covid funding. When the bus was made, they talked about staff and infrastructures gains. So this funding doesn’t really count as it would have been spent nevertheless.
They would have been spending covid funding plus net sending money to the EU... Duh...
absolutely... every country is spending more because of covid. brexit was a lie and all of them should go to prison for it
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It's sad that this video at its core so clearly misrepresents the wording written on the side of the bus that it shows.
We can read what it says on the side of the bus. It doesn't say the NHS would receive that sum of money.
Finally a sign of intelligent life in this comment section.
Exactly, it says the word "send" not net cost send ! and all those that spread the myth "Where is that £350 Million for the NHS" just copy and paste the following
The NHS budget and how it has changed
It shows clearly NHS spending has risen by nearly £400 million per week since 2016 and that's EXCLUDING the pandemic spending !
Ben, you're killing it. Good job.
How many mistakes did he make in this week's episode of fantasy EU wonderland??
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@@willmoore505 You could always name the mistakes.
@@PNETriffid He keeps saying the bus said 'additional' when actually the bus said 'instead'. So, I rent a garage for £350 per month and use it to tinker about on old cars. My wife who looks after our young children and has no income says I'm wasting time and money. So, I agree to give up the garage and use the extra money on groceries instead. Providing our spending on groceries does not fall below £350 each month - there's no issue.
@@Iazzaboyce He uses the word additional, because the promised 350 million was in 'addition' to the existing NHS budget. Your analogy also ignores the money lost by not being in the World's largest trading block. The kids are going to go hungry, and if you think Boris and Farage give a monkeys´ you need to lie down in a padded cell for a few years.
To be frank to a certain extent haven't the brexiters already admitted that economy was secondary and their primary reason for brexit was the principle of sovereignty(as they perceived it) or to be more blunt sovereignty in one particular matter i.e. immigration.
Membership of the EU was never really about economics though was it? Especially given the size of the UK economy and only 6 % of UK businesses being involved in exporting to the EU. The gross contribution figure was actually beyond 15 billion per year. Given also that products subject to mutually agreed standards were only 150 billion that is one hell of a subsidy to those companies . Services have never been subjected to EU rules as the EU had tried to for 15 years to find an agreement on services and couldn’t. The economic arguments were not as strong as people like to make out set against the consequences of FOM etc.
it was not secondary to everyone, some people (specially poor ones from more rural areas) voted out because they were promised better quality of life (e.i. more money to NHS = better services).
@@danielgonzalezlopez2147 - are you British and entitled to vote or are you just regurgitating propaganda?
For me as someone that voted to leave it was more about sovereignty than economics, sovereignty in terms of laws and regulations and economics in terms of having trade deals outside of the EU, although admittedly its my fault for having faith that things would overall be better (to a degree, I still believe in the long term we'll be better off when the world gets back to normal) yet regarding the immigration I would say that's gotten a whole lot worse since leaving all one needs to do is look at the statistics of those crossing the channel which since leaving France is blatantly allowing them to cross but in central London where I live I haven't noticed any changes in the demographics with those that live and work around here its still the same people working in the shops and I personally know people that applied for settled status and got it without issue, now obviously it depends upon what field people are working in and their actual goals or motivations yet regarding the apparent number of people that went back home or left the UK (depending on what term you want to call it) I'd say that those people wasn't really looking at staying here that long anyway or believed the hype that the UK is racist when clearly it isn't, yes there's no doubt that people are racist or bigoted but in general terms the UK is one of the most accepting countries in the world hence why so many want to come here and stay here
As a dual citizen, I voted out. And you're being racist !
You pointed it out in your previous video: taxes in the UK went up since the Brexit vote, except on tampons. So there's where they got the money.
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There is one serious issue that is not covered here (Still a good video).
The extra funding does come with major restrictions on how it can be spent so for example there are clauses that say funding amount Y must be spent with private company X (Or at least must be spent in the private sector) or not at all. so a large portion the cash never reaches the NHS but is still labled as a funding increase.
Sounds like EU money to me, except that EU money is more expensive as you need to jump through all kinds of hoops to get it and probably hire an external consulting company to help you with the application and related paperwork.
and the forty new hospitals?
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The Government was always free to shovel ££ into the NHS independent of UK GDP and Export earnings simply by printing money or borrowing more.
It was easy to make it appear as a Brexit dividend for those unable or unwilling to do the tough analytical forensics.
Ah yes, devalue the economy to support a dying and often inept medical institution... The nhs is over. It produces sub par everything with very little recourse.
@@simeonsimon6440 it's saving my life, but of course that has no commercial value as I am not quoted on the stock exchange !
@@richardcope8102 private medical care would save your life and if you had done the sensible and saved 1.5k in NI every year you'd be able to afford it.
@@simeonsimon6440 Get real.
@@simeonsimon6440 Yes let's see what private medical care looks like in American 😂
So if the UK sends 137 million £ to the EU that's the if divided on the whole population a bit more than 10£ per month and person? We are literally talking about a Netflix subscription here.
Even if only half of the population works and pays tax that is still less than 25£ per month and person. So in the end it costed the UK very little to be in the EU.
The U.K. DOES NOT WANT to be part of the EU political project.
Ffs 🤦♂️ it’s not difficult to understand.
And for that Netflix sub they'd have gotten free access to the single market and no tariffs on anything imported from there, as well as the benefits of all the EU's trade deals that the UK is no longer party to. Dunno about you, but i'm guessing that costs a tad more than just 10£ per month.
@@Llortnerof - Many don’t care about pounds and pennies, or what I mean is that it depends on priorities. Netflix is like the last thing on the agenda. The U.K. is one of the best well off countries on the planet. Maybe you’re from a tiny shithole and don’t get it
@@corradomancini3271 _Was_ one of the best well-off countries on the planet.
Also, i don't believe that for a second. They may claim that, but the moment their wallets actually feel the hit, their opinion on it will change.
@@corradomancini3271 We did not discuss want you want. We discussed what the actual cost is. What's so hard to understand? 🤦🏼♂️ Although it is possible to argue that the UK wants to be part of the EU since the split was pretty much 50/50 back in 2016.. And the Pro-EU side seems to have grown. Honestly you brexiters really wants to believe you are in some type of majority when you just barely scraped by a victory in the referendum.
Whats most annoying with you brexiters however is that you have no clear argument for why leaving is better. That's why you now refer to the "UK wanted to leave" - argument. Pathetic. You keep blaming the EU on everything that's wrong with your country, when it's clear that your politicians are to blame.
And what about the cost of social care? A massive support service for the NHS that has been decimated by the Tories, thus leaving the NHS to pick up the slack from its own funding.
Might I suggest that you next look into how many E.U. "laws" have been struck off the U.K. statute books and what they affect? What exactly have we "taken back control" of?
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Brexit supporters simply looked at the membership fee and subtracted what we got back in subsidies. It's like renting a property and the landlord giving you a sum to fit the property out.
If that subsidy is less than the rent, is that a loss?
No because the property does a roaring trade making you a fortune.
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LIAR!! We simply think the British people should be in full control of Britain. You traitors saw membership of the EU as a way of bypassing a Govt you dislike and instead be ruled by foreigners you are more politically aligned with.
@@GeorgeAmsterdam Poor people are never in control. The UK is going to be very much poorer.
Even Dominic cummings ''driving force'' behind the leave admitted last year the NHS Bus slogan was a lie.
Wait, this isn't just a video that starts with, "No, what the hell did you expect?" followed by eight minutes of derisive laughter?
Considering that a pandemic occurred in the meanwhile, it'd have been absurd to see no increase of funding to the NHS. And again giving more money to the NHS is a political choice that has nothing to do with the Brexit. And if you also take into account the costs associated with the new customs barriers and no direct access to the main market for the UK (an actual consequence of Brexit), this entire discussion around reverting some money from one area to another becomes counterintuitive...
5:45 🙄
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What we got for the money was is a shared civil service which is far more efficient than each country having their own resources to do the same work. During the term of EU membership the UK consistently reduced its internal resources for things the shared civil service where looking after, to the point they were practically useless. The problem is that UK politicians have no real clue what happens overall in gov't in the civil service, they just "try" to save money by cutting staff and resources. As a result we no longer have the expertise and resources we did before the EU.
This was really well explained. Great work 👍
Scotland’s budget deficit costs England £698m a week. So logically it’s time for England to leave the UK too.
And what are the costs for Northern Ireland?
Sadly late for the facts now! Fishing industry, NHS all promises broken!
Are you in France? Fishing industry is booming in the UK. I can see it for myself i'm on the coast.
Im Australian but if our conservative government is anything to go off more likely 350 million pounds has been slashed from the NHS budget per week
And they can't even ship of their victims to europe anymore for operations and diagnosis because of brexit. So that hurts double after syphoning even more money from the already underfunded NHS :/
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Are you related to the people's hero, Ned Kelly?
@@ILikedGooglePlus "People's Hero"? He was a bluidy cop--killing Fenian...
A lot of people who voted to leave also wanted the old money back, centre partings and baggy shorts for footballers, corporal punishment at schools and black and white television to return. Lol
Idk I'm only mid twenties and I voted to leave on economic grounds. Albeit our leaders have completely failed to negotiate any decent dealings with the eu who are similarly invested in giving us a "bad deal" to make it look worse for any other states trying to leave.
Football sucks.
I'm 32 and voted leave, just purely because I dont like a unified Europe. that's it. i don't care about anything else.
@@simeonsimon6440 I hate to shatter your delusions, but there was simply no way for the UK to gain any economic benefits from leaving the biggest market in the world.
Regardless whatever else may have come, you lost the extreme powerful negotiation position of being one of the shot callers of said market.
Any result that would have let you reap some of the benefits of being in the EU (access to the single market for example) would make Brexit a moot point, as you would still have been subject to EU regulations, but now without the ability to influence them directly.
I give to you that with better politicians you might have been out of the red in a couple of decades, but now... it moved from a problem to a utter disaster.
You forgot women wearing skirts.
Also unironically yes
Black and white telly = people watching less of it
Footballers wearing baggy trousers = footballers no longer being celebrities modelling daft haircuts
Corporal punishment in schools = school able to actually deal with bullying, bad behaviour and laziness
Old money = epic troll of all visitors to UK
Some maybe, but not all. Some don't like the idea of a European Superstate and do like being less tied to Europe and more to the World as a whole - where the growth is.
There would certainly be losses before there were major gains, and Globalisation is in retreat because of people like Trump, Xi and a general despotisation of government.
So time will tell, and it's done now so perhaps best to make the most of it.
Politicians ran away with the money again.
Short answer: No
Actual answer; yes. It pained him to say yes, as he's a raging lefty. A technical yes is still a yes. You just feel like a no and feelings aren't data.
@@davenorth1265 cope
@@hayleyxyz Your feelings are not data either. Nobody cares.
@@davenorth1265 I know my dude. Constantly frothing at the mouth and repeating the same Ben Shapiro talking point from 2016 isn't data either; it's quite cringe actually.
Why so salty dave?
The actual amount of money given to an institution like the NHS is not the whole story. Another huge factor is how the money is spent by that institution. Judging by the writings of people like Dr. Anthony Daniels a.k.a. Theodore Dalrymple, a long time practitioner within the NHS, stupendous amounts of money within the NHS are spent on bureaucrats and middle management, i.e. bureaucrats rather than doctors, nurses, equipment or infrastructure. If the increased post-Brexit funding of the NHS, whatever the amount, went only to hiring yet more bureaucrats, then it's hard for me to see that this was actually a benefit. Does anyone have any information on how much additional money is now available that actually benefits patients, as opposed to administrators? For instance, are wait times for doctors and procedures improved or worse?
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Brexit seems more and more pointless every day
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until there are consequences for outright lying in politics nothing will change.
£136 Million per week (after rebate) is a lot of money to be in a “special club”.
Putting that figure on the side of a bus would be just as powerful as £350 mil in my opinion. They didn’t have to inflate the figures to scare people.
Covid funding would have happened regardless of Brexit and this should not be muddled up with a promised Brexit dividend for NHS extra staff & infrastructure funding.
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Agreed, so if you want to see the actual spending net of covid, then copy and paste this.....
The NHS budget and how it has changed
Thank you for explaining this. About time the brexit lies get exposed. Better later than never.
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Better exposing the lies fist and then not voting Brexit.
Today this is nothing just dust above the British decline.
@@peterebel7899 In fairness, the lies were exposed at the time, but most of the brexiters preferred to believe the lies.
The facts were aviable back in the day for anyone wanting to see them, but that was project fear than and remoan now.
@@tonyb9735 Exposing lies from the past as Kim is proposing doesn't help anybody, it just fuels believing on both sides.
Better to face the challenges of the presence, i.e. generating a constitution worth century 21.
The NHS trust at my mother’s hospital is literally making lots of staff re-apply for their own jobs, that as well as inviting people to re-write their job descriptions so they can be “reassessed”, all so they can hand out salary CUTS to save money. It’s a scandal. They’ve also been drowning admin staff by refusing to rehire positions in depts where people have quit or retired so the work load gets even larger for remaining staff, productivity suffers, and the calls to replace the vacancies get repeatedly ignored. OH! And to top it off, might be time to dock your salary when you’re taking your work home and working through weekends just to keep heads above water. So much for extra funding!!🤨 everytime I hear these stories I don’t understand why it’s not national news because it really is a scandal.
If they dock my mum’s salary after all the extra, unpaid, unbilled hours she’s done, I’m gonna be fuming 😤
Good question, I've often wondered...
Glad to see the channel grew. Less than an hour and already 110 comments. Anyway, good analysis, although I'd argue that covid made everything more complicated. Every country put more money in the health sector in 2020 and 2021. Perhaps a good analysis would be: how much was added relative to similarly rich and/or similarly affected countries.
One other thing that I'd like to point out is that access to the European Single Market is not a subjective issue in an economic analysis. It's objective, there's real and countable money coming in and going out of the UK. What would be subjective is, for instance, the impact of the closed borders on the quality of health professionals and researchers.
Great point. That's a huge report though with so many varying factors. My mind was immediately drawn to thinking how I would quantify the costings for the EU countries that had their PPE stolen en-route by other EU countries. Same as how the countries reported Coronavirus deaths and instances back in the beginning, we all have different metrics. It would take decades to sift. You have got to stop somewhere and that in itself leads to incomplete data, where do you stop without displaying bias? .
So if there is objectively less trade with the EU. Which you can calculate the value added of. And you can calculate if there is an increase in trade with non EU countries. But difficult to say if that were Brexit related or not. So subjective.
And even more subjective to calculate what we do domestically with the spare resource from not trading with the EU. Assuming that "lost" work isn't replaced with thumb twiddling (which given unemployment figures it isn't) but other value added work. Import substitution etc.
This video adopts the style of calling power to account while examining an institution with no power. The 'leave side' like its counterpart the 'remain side' was constituted solely to air opinions in a debate, at the end of which both were dissolved. Unfortunately, as ever, tendentious statements were aired on both sides.
Brexit made less money available, less trade less tax revenue. The nhs money came from all of us. The cost of having a less efficient/productive economy than before.
It's not the politicians' job to present accurate information to the public to allow us to make an informed decision. Their job is use whatever means necessary to make us believe we are making an informed decision, while making sure the decision is the one that makes them and their friends the most money possible. So, where did the money that went "to the NHS" actually go?
You guys should do a comparison with France and Germany and see if they funded they NHS better without having to leave the EU.
Germany hasn't got a central NHS but a rather complex two-tier system.
Most people are insured with "Gesetzliche Krankenkassen" - statutory health insurance companies. They are mandatory for workers and employees with salaries up to roughly 4,800 €/month. The monthly payment to this is roughly 15% of the salary, to be split between the employer and the employee.
Higher paid employees and self-employed people can opt out of this and buy private health insurance instead. Those calculate their prices according to age and state of health, not as a percentage of income - which usually makes them very cheap initially but more expensive later.
The state usually stays out of the insurers' funding but heavily regulates how they operate and occasionally props up a statutory health insurer in need of help.
So to Germans, the idea of linking a trade bloc to health insurance sounds pretty suspect...
France has a system similar to the UK, but the system in Germany works differently so direct comparison is difficult
Compare the 50% tax the French have, to stay in the corrupt, anti democratic EU.
@@willmoore505 How is the EU "anti-democratic"? How is WTO, Brexiteers' heaven, any more democratic than the EU?
@@willmoore505 are you assuming all taxes in France goes to the EU?! that's an hell of an assumption
The UK is still going through 'divorce' proceedings isn't it? I was under the impression that we had to make more payments for a few more years?
That's a lot of suppositions. Doesn't Google give any results on those questions?
Farage retirering payement still need to be pay to Brussels :)
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This is what I love about politicians. They have never claimed 350mill goes to NHS, they said "let's fund the NHS instead" and they do, they are funding the NHS! What is the problem people why do you all want to send 350mill to NHS when we can pay more National Insurance contribution instead while we have to wait months just to get an X-Ray done?
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I'm so disgusted by politicians it's not even funny.
Worst of all I don't trust corporate entities either, what a time to be alive.
Brexit was lies?? Shocker... who would have guessed?
it wasn't a lie. I knew what I votes for.
@@jamesoakley4570 And what was that exactly?
Why did the contribution to the EU budget was so large in 2020?
yeah, I was asking myself the same question
possibly long term agreements the UK committed to during before and during the brexit negotiations.
There is no where written that the money will go to the NHS. It simply says, let's fund our NHS after the statement. If I say, I spend 2000 pounds in rent, but by moving out and living in a tent I could fund my health insurance, it is not the same thing as saying "i will pay £2000 in health insurance"
anyone who stood in front of this bus or promoted it should be prosecuted as this may have been the turning point on such a close vote
They should be prosecuted for having a different political view? Didn't know they had internet in North Korea.
@@ashholiday123 not their view that’s the problem it’s the lies they told to persuade people to that view
and the face of the leave campaign was a serial liar
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An important point you've missed, is what would have been rise needed to keep parity with inflation over the last five years. The COVID related increase is temporary.
Imagine if the UK were spending more money fighting covid, inflation AND net contributing the the EU.... Even worse right?
A loaf of bread is £5, we have been given £1 for last 10 years but now the tories have given us and extra £2 to make to £3 altogether. We should be ever grateful.
Of course they didn't. Just months ago they were distancing themselves from the quote saying "What bus? We don't remember any bus."
I am asking myself the same question almost every day, where is our 350 milion a week for NHS. Today Boris said There is no magic money tree.
Very informative on how we got taken for a ride 🙁
Not really, I'm afraid, the figures on NHS spending shows it has risen to by another £395 million per week since 2016, see here for yourself, copy and paste
The NHS budget and how it has changed
We got taken for a ride twice ,on joining the Common Market & entering the E.U. through the back door without telling anybody till we were - in ! .
Brexit saves a net contribution of 0.3% GDP.
It also wiill result in a 4% lower GDP by the most conservative estimate, resulting in £40bn lost tax revenues.
On top come additional costs for 50,000 customs officers, duplications of agencies, replacement of IT systems and data bases at tax payers expense.
On top comes the additional burdens for private individuals and businesses, such as duplication of CE mark, custons paperwork, veterinary checks, rules of origin, re-structuring of supply chains, visas etc.
Plus the loss of benefits and opportunities for many people, like EHIC, roaming charges, 90/180 visa rules, required tax residency when staying more than 180/360, recogniti8n of qualificatuons a.s.o. Wealthy people won't be deterred by that, but many less wealthy will lose.
On top comes the internal division and possible Scottish independence.
On the plus side, the rejection of all the above led to an increase in theoretical sovereignty, which doesn't give any tangible benefit.
But... but... blue passports!
@@danielcrafter9349
Oh yes, the ones they could have done anyway, like Croatia decided to do. Sorry for fogetting that huge benefit.
BTW the addotional cost to the economy only to fill out the additioal 40 million customs declarations per year is estimeted by HMRC at 12.8bn. I don't know if this is for the 50k officers on thei HMRC side, or on the side of businesses to fill in the forms.
What a massive build-up of red tape!
The chemical and pharma industry each estimete the cost of replicating databases and certifications at 1bn each.
And then there is the divorce bill ....
In NO way does the sign on that Bus say that the money destined for the EU would be used to fund the NHS, It Reads 'We send the EU £350 million a week'. STOP ' 2nd Statement ' Let Fund our NHS' STOP. Only the most stupid in society could see that bus as suggesting we will be commiting £350m a week to the NHS
The link to TLDP Global in the description doesn't work.
Would NHS get these 16b and 22b if pandemic wouldn't happened ? And in my opinion those money shouldn't be mention as a boost presented on the bus because we didn't know pandemic would happen. But if government would like to add these money anyway than we can talk about money that have been wasted on fishy contracts, track & trace and there are still unloaded containers at the ports with medical equipment unfit to use ordered precisely to deal with pandemic. Do the math now please.
The UK is poorer due to brexit. There is not more money to spend, only less. Exactly as bloomberg economics predicted before it happened.. I believe they predicted a permanent loss of 4% of gdp growth.
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20bn
400m per week
Announced by May pre pandemic
@@danielwebb8402 Fulfilled and excluding the pandemic spending ! copy and paste the following..
The NHS budget and how it has changed
@@Habib_Osman
Prediction. Is future. No impact so far. Which isn't consistent with their 2016 or 2019 predictions.
But am sure they'll be right THIS time. Honest guv.
When Government offers to pump more money into things that may actually benefit the general public, you can be certain that massive inflation is right around the corner, making the additional money completely redundant.
They promise that this money would come from the "Brexit divided", so provided that was true then inflation wouldn't be an issue.
Of course instead of getting that divided, we're getting tax rises.
Not how inflation or economics works please don't post misleading information
To my mind, the biggest myth on the side of the red bus was the implication that the amount paid by the UK to the EU formed a significant proportion of the UK annual budget. I would be very happy if someone is able to confirm or correct the following. The annual net UK contribution to the EU in 2016 of between £8.1 billion and £9.4 billion was between 1% and 1.2% of the total UK annual budget of around £814.6 billion (see Office of National Statistics, The UK contribution to the EU budget). This percentage is a more important statistic than the actual amount. The UK payment was something which the UK could afford, and insignificant compared to the benefit that the UK received from free access to the Single Market, regulatory compliance, and the passporting arrangements for UK companies in the finance and banking sectors. Boris Johnson acknowledged this in his celebrated pro-Remain draft article: “This is a market on our doorstep, ready for further exploitation by British firms. The membership fee seems rather small for all that access. Why are we so determined to turn our back on it?” he wrote.
The upper part of the shelv in the background needs to be filled with merch and books!
From the Netherlands. Thanks for the laughs on you Brexiteer lot claiming Brexit a success. A country that voted for a clown deserves to be treated as clowns (apologies for those who voted against Brexit and Johnson).
A highly dangerous Clown.
The UK is taking the Brexit bus and driving it off a cliff. Along with their economy.
Still the second biggest economy in Europe though and the size of 16 EU countries combined. Yeah
Simple...... the answer to the question is Yes, the stats show this.
The fish got caught and all's it took was a lie. 🤣🤣
Come on now, Brits would rather have tax cuts instead of funding the NHS any day. Why else would you all vote to defund the NHS for the last decade?
Erm its budget went up every year in real terms, but thanks for playing
If you allow for inflation AND population growth AND ageing population, you can find one year where the nhs budget fell (11-12) by 0.00000001%. Apart from that. Increased every year even allowing for all the excuses.
@Zuurker U Don't think the "Brits" in Wales or Scotland would agree with you there; nor, perhaps in time, the Northern half of England.
@Zuurker U Most people didn't vote for the Tories. You cannot assume anything they do is representative of what most Brits want.
@Zuurker U They have a majority in Parliament. The UK uses FPTP voting, which means a majority in parliament does not mean the majority voted for them. Most people in England do not want them.
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Being in my 50s I grew up (and perhaps the fact my dad was in the RAF) hearing all the time about the "Peace Dividend" that would follow the end of the Cold War..... As I see in other than handful of Russians that became very rich and moved to the UK, I really don't think any of us gained much or anything from that dividend!
Answer: No.
Excellent explainer.
Remember when David Cameron said vote no…..maybe we should have listened on that one. The referendum should have had a higher watermark of 65-70% to leave.
Yes
Well, that's something to take into account.
Can't say I'm surprised!
I read in 1997 there was 150,000 beds in the nhs, combine that with an increase of 6,000,000 extra people living here, mmm. ITS A DISATER END OFF.
Same rule in the UK and the EU: politicians live at the expense of listeners. 🤣
But seriously, WHO WOULD'VE KNOWN!?
And the music goes on
but he said the money COULD be using in the NHS ,not going to use in the NHS
thank you for the caveat notes! context is critical
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Did it hell!
That's not what it says
That bus has long gone.
Maybe you should talk about where the money is going in the NHS, or rather who is cashing in.
7:52 The answer is obviously no!
Just spending more money from the "magic money tree".
Very Strange,
By the sounds of it, the whole plan did not quite work.
I feel a bit sad about people that were misled a few years ago.
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Great job guys. Liked
Are you saying these people never had are best interests at heart and they were lying?
Actual tldr: NO, they lied.