Superconductor SCANDAL - Breakthrough or Fraud?
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2024
- Room-temperature Superconductors are a long held dream, but the recent breakthrough announcement from University of Rochester researcher Ranga Dias has left the field divided surrounding his groundbreaking discovery due to previous allegations of fraud, data manipulation, and plagiarism.
0:00 Room-temperature Superconductor Breakthrough
0:49 The History of Superconductors
3:27 Fraud, Data Manipulation, and Plagiarism Accusations
8:58 Is this Breakthrough Fraudulent?
#superconductivity #breakthrough #fraud
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Making a room temperature superconductor is super easy, barely an inconvenience. I accidentally made one the other day using an electric induction coil and a cracked ceramic fireplace log. I'd show you the results, but I'm applying patents all over the place.
i see that someone's been watching Ryan George
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@@patpowers9210 yea yea yea yea
The strength of science is skepticism
And the weakness is corruption.
@@elmolewis9123
Corruption is never really good.
Do you have any anecdotes about wasted science funding?
Scientists are often obsessed with with work.
The only common way I know is payed research.
Unless it's about vaccines. Then it's illegal to even question them
@@LiquidRR 22 yrs in medical science and I’m still baffled by the audacity and pure stupidity about medical research and the leaps it’s taken when we throw enough money in a crisis at it we can move mountains. I’m all for skepticism but you aren’t a skeptic, your a denier in skeptics clothes.
@@williamelewis464 Too many people don't realize that "skepticism" isn't a license for people to trust their own gut over other people; skepticism is the recognition that reliable information takes real work to collect and verify, and real skeptics should be wary of the biggest source of biases and poor assumptions of all - the self.
Those who are "skeptical" of everyone but themselves (and "skeptical" of real science/data) are essentially the exact opposite of skeptics. They have more in common with conspiracy theorists and their endless assumptions than anything resembling scientific inquiry.
Can't wait for Bobbybroccoli's in depth look at this 'scandal'. Great round up Dr Miles. Well presented and straight to the point.
Me too! Might be too banal for him tho.
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If only they'd won the Nobel
As a scientist, let me tell you this. If someone is refusing to hand over raw data, there is a reason for it.
The data presented by the authors is in several papers (very obviously) faked. Unfortunately, this is relatively common, and something that needs to impact their carrier the heavily.
(there is also a lot of papers which are wrong simply by chance, which is a completely different story)
Yeah a paper being wrong isn't really an issue, people should be able to present ideas before they can 100% confirm they are correct. But intentionally presenting fraudulent date is a serious problem.
is this Schön all over again.
They should have gotten emergency use authorization and then they wouldn't have to tell anyone anything and the government would make all power plants buy it but then actually we would pay for it and everyone would be happy and safe.
And uh why was it that a good quantity of nikola Tesla's research was seized by the us govt and never returned to his next of kin??????????
???
How tf could any journal ever accept any paper from these guys ever again? Why do they keep their jobs?
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There was the same skepticism when Bednorz and Muller at the Zurich IBM Research Lab announced the first ceramic superconductor in 1987. However they provided research data for other labs to replicate their results. There is a long history of "room temperature superconductors", with nothing that is useful. I think these researchers are getting ahead of themselves.
What's most disturbing is that this type of high level, high profile fraud seems increasingly common in ANYTHING involving potential high investment opportunities
As we run out of natural resources to appropriate the Ponzi scheme of capitalism have to move on to new fields.
If you want funding you don't need results, just reports of results that can't be readily disproven.
The hype about a Mars colony is obviously a long con, but we have had so many Hollywood movies about Mars colonisation that people "know" it has to happen and therefore they are easy to separate from their money.
I liked that you went through the timeline of these events. It gave some very good perspective on this issues at hand. I didn't include it when I went over this topic but it was fascinating and to be honest mindboggling to read. I know other academics that really question how much someone needs to do while staying in the system. If this latest result is once again fraudulent then surely something should be done.
your comments last line is what I'm very interested in. When we say "something should be done" very few will disagree, but I also haven't heard many voices putting forward viable solutions to effectively curbing fraud at this level. Its all way above my level, so there isnt much room for me to say anything - but I think it would be interesting to hear more of the "going forward" part of the discussion.
@@autumnrain7626 At the moment the key academic behind this work has had his PhD thesis questioned. Large chunks of it are plagarised. It is possible that he will have his PhD revoked. While I don't think this is a likely outcome, it is possible.
"I don't know, what it is for all of you Fahrenheit-heathens"
This is Gold
Excellent, thorough and impartial. Always a pleasure to watch your vids. I hope you do a vid on the meminductor
This happened in cancer clinical trials also. It's the dark side of humanity, even the brilliant ones. Best wishes
Thanks for beating the skepticism and rigor drums, I've had vague concerns for a while now about science and media and you articulated it perfectly.
New to your channel, Dr. Ben, and I'm impressed. It cannot be over said that catching bad claims is THE feature of the Scientific Method and not a big.
Looking at you, Solar Roadways folks...
Conducting Super Fraud? Alternatively pun-based titles welcome below.
Think you nailed it already!
Zero resistance to dishonesty
Damn son!
When quoting all the possible applications of room temperature superconductivity it's important to keep in mind that critical current is inversely related to Tc - T. So if we have Tc at 300K and temperature is 280K then critical current will be quite small.
And for CPUs and other computer chips it needs to be a material that can form nanoscale wires without falling apart *and* that can bond with semiconductor materials.
Sources in description would be great
Thanks for the upload. I agree with everything you said. I just wish that hopeful scientists, if not knowingly scamming, could keep their discoveries secret for longer before jumping the gun. This is similar to the 1986 Martin and Henry case. Even if cold fusion never happened, a more modest approach could have immensely helped in securing funding for research in that area, instead of completely ridiculing and shutting it down
I think cold fusion is still envisioned, and I'm even not sure it has not been done already, it's called muonic fusion. Replace electrons with muons and you lower the coulomb barrier. Otherwise there are strong arguments to declare it a wet dream, so there is no need to fund a research in that direction.
Really good video describing the "issues" the claimants have for this breakthrough.
I achieved room temperature super-conductivity years ago by flooding my room with liquid nitrogen. I don't know what's all the fuss about.
Nigel at NileBlue probably made an accidental superconductor in his latest video.
I like your no BS videos, and you're good at explaining too. Well done.
This highlights a few of the big problems with today's scientific publishing: 1) it's monetary and 2) negative results are not valued.
The journals, for a -publication- -fee- scam money of only $10k, publish even utter bullshit to feed their "prestige" in the ivory tower, to attract more authors, to make more money. Meanwhile, authors who cannot afford to waste such large sums of money for what boils down to uploading a PDF have no chance to share their findings with such a wide audience.
And good scientists who, in all honesty, discover only unspectacular negative results (for example, that every material in their catalogue does not superconduct at room temperature), have no chance of getting their manuscript accepted.
A fail is important in science to diminish wasteful work in the same thing by other groups. The way journals avoid to publish fails that look like they could work, is a regression in science.
I'd be happy to publish in a journal of negative results
Well, the most valuable thing is knowledge about processes/materials which didn't work. As a superconductivity guy in my younger years, I'm now reminded of the then situation of magnetic susceptibility anomalies in the Cu-Cl system, a story finally ending up with the CuO perovskite high Tc materials. Hadn't been beneficial to ones career, studying the chlorides then...
if it quacks like a fraud... It just boggles the mind how they thought they could get away with such a high profile claim.
He could build a circular track and race a magnet on it on video. It'll be obvious whether or not it's been nitrogen cooled because of the vapor.
Unless I misunderstood something, the claim is that the material is superconducting at several hundred GPa, which would make your suggestion quite impossible.
@@bladdnun3016 Well, if you're talking about the 2023 paper, it says 10 kbar = ~1GPa (i think that's right?), which, I mean, it's still under a diamond anvil for pressure, so you're right that doing the magnet race thing is not quite feasible, but a part of the reason people are so skeptical is that 1GPa (instead of several hundreds) is a huuuge reduction of pressure required. It would be fantastic were it true, but this is the kind of thing that is so good it rings alarm bells. I guess we'll know in time.
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I like this. I get fed up of being told how wonderful science is, with the inference anything labelled "science" or "scientific" is something of a holy grail. This is why so many people compare religion with science. The ideals are all very well, but the scope for fraud, mistakes, narrow minded perceptions and in no small way, misinterpretation is enormous. Keep up the good work.
@@Forakus Science didn't fail with covid.
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Its always amazing that persons that proclaiming fraudulent information think its not going to be verified.
Integrity in scientific claims. What a concept. It's nice to find someone who appears to believe in it enough to put their name on rationally skeptical outlooks and opinions, and most importantly, content easily accessible to us layman who just want to learn a little something now and then. Hope to visit again, and learn some more about new, interesting, and _objectively_ questioned claims.
see also LK-99 = lead apatite with traces of copper authors said their preprint papers were incomplete & had defects & none
of this was independently peer reviewed or replicated & the demonstrated "levitation" was mostly diamagnetism
If what they claimed was true they'd have no reason to use fake data.
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I was wondering; given that space is so cold (around 3 kelvin says google), would we expect to find naturally superconducting materials out in the vacuum of space? Would that result in any weird or interesting natural phenomena?
A lot of stuff superconducts at 3 above absolute zero. But that does not help us in any way. We need stuff to superconduct above 0 celsius (above freezing if you are from the US).
@@marsovac you're right, I just meant it would be an interesting phenomenon to study if there were natural superconductors in space
Also now that I've thought about it a bit more I guess that the low pressure might prevent superconductivity
Dont feel bad about the question. The whole basis of science is asking questions. And then getting the resources to as they say, heck around and find out
Space is so empty there are only a few particles per cubic meter, while superconducting is a phenomenon that takes place in condensed matters, i.e. solid things that you can touch
wow nice video I was wondering about this THANKS!
Who's here after seeing the LK99 discovery?
Depends on how you describe discovery?
I just discovered Ben Miles. What a wonderful source of science commentary. And witty, too. This reminds me of Nature's publication about Dolly the cloned sheep about 20 years ago. There was a rush to publish without careful peer review. It is shocking at how poorly the methods were described. The results were later validated but Nature never admitted that it failed its readers.
Actually Nature was always going after "clicks" even before there were clicks to be had.
So very interesting. Great video.
Ben….I have been watching your videos since your grad school days (the one about the apple falling). Simply terrific. My particular fav was the Minkowski video……wonderful stuff. I'm a geophysicist by profession and I love your approach to physics and the world around us. Todays world is filled with great science writers, I think I have read almost all of them (Jim Baggot is a special favourite). Nevertheless, our social media/digital obsessed world needs a new, media savvy "town cryer". I nominate you. The complete antithesis of the stodgy, elbow patched, unintelligible Oxford Physics professor. The general public's knowledge (at least in the USA) is sadly and completely lacking. We need a star…………….most are a bit tired of Neil deGrasse Tyson (he is terrific, but comes across as a science geek, know-it-all…………..a bit of a turn off), and you fit the role perfectly.
So lookout Brain Greene, Ben is in town. William
Hey William, great to hear from you, and thanks for being around all this time! It's a lofty goal, I'll do my best to live up to it 👍😅
NDGT: More of a science clown than geek, but agree with the know-it-all
(And seriously suffers from Dunning Kruger when he ventures out of his filed of expertise)
There is a lot of fraud in physics, check Medium (not RUclips) story: Newton’s Rings Teach Us a Lot, Especially Now
Brain Greene. Ha ha that’s funny.
In my job, if you find a known car thief in a stolen car, it’s generally them who nicked it! Perhaps it’s the same with Diaz?
great video, a lot of people are not aware that in science there are people who review these papers professionally haired by investors or even out of curiosity since some people study these things a log time
In log time? And I'm still studying in n square time :)
@@humancannonball seems like i made a square root error here
Thank you for making this video. I was excited when I read of a room temperature superconductor. Time will tell if it is real. Regardless, I hope the research in the area continues as it does undeed have enormous implications for our future.
Great video!
Is “I have a patent application in progress” the new “I would release my taxes but they’re under audit...” ??? 🤔
so no room temperature superconductor, i am so angry and sad at the same time! Thx, for your great video.
Thank you!
Thank You!
I just upgraded to a 13th gen i9 z790 and *now* with the superconductors!?
I have a question, why don't we build a super conductor in the Artic?
Yeah, the fact that the SAME TEAM finds a room temperature superconductor after being roasted, and again, they claim to not be able to publish the complete data because they created a start up sounds soooo fishy. You make one of the greatest discovery in physics (and you make it sound like you understand superconductivity better than others since you carry on with the same type of materials), then you decide you will create a start up and secure funds from billionaires...
At best, it's a testimony of their greed. "please I want to be sure I can cash in really big before we can built cheap MRI to save people's lives".
You would have enough to live with the nobel prize and the endless tedX conferences around the world. You could even sustain yourself only eating at buffets.
I am very skeptical.
actually... i can remember that there was this "story" about an experiment in the mid to 80's (?) that found a super conducting behaviour at +25C... but they couldn't reproduce it... 😂
I have an uneasy feeling about this whole thing...
thanks. good job
Some RUclips engineering guru the other year said "if something sounds too good to be true then it's probably TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE". :)
Does NASA take advantage of the vacuum of space? If we are talking about conductors.
I know they use it as an passive coolant system to the temperature hating equipment. But that is all I can find by myself.
NASA takes advantage of the vacuum of space the same way the planet takes care of the heat buildup of the sun. Fans (wind) blow across warm areas and distribute that heat to colder areas. The planet/spacecraft rotates to allow the heat to radiate to the colder temperature of space.
I wonder whether the data indicates superconductivity without background reduction. Why couldn't they measure the background prior to measurement of the actual result. Perhaps one round of data collection takes too long? (So background could change over the time taken to measure the signal)
Recent theoretical results show room temperature super conductivity may be possible with Palladium containing substances. Perhaps they had a Palladium contaminated substance.
if it doesn't work they could claim it being an accident but people who waste time of others by claiming wrong data to be right repeadedly for selfish reasons should get fined to a point in which they stop lying
Do keep in mind that patent applications that are deemed a threat to national security are made classified and not granted.
Institutional investors are not scientists and they typically wait five years from “breakthroughs” to investments.
"Fahrenheit heathens" calling things by its name, instant subscription.
At one point if you are the only one able to reproduce your datas it's either a particular flaw in your experiment you haven't thought of or a fraud.
Repeatedly cooking the books does constitute a systemic error, I guess.
If you keep reusing the same data, it's even repeatable.
Have you considered covering the newer magnetic material produced by NIRON? The little information I’ve heard seems “too good to be true”.
Not publishing full data immediately makes claims suspicious. I still have all the data from research I did more than 50 years ago. All hand-written!
Reminds me of old Popular Mechanics articles..
I heard some good news from a Swedish guy working on organic superconductors. Sounds promising!
I’m eager to see if we have another Cold Fusion on our hands
Super Conduction leads the way to usable Anti-Grav, trust me.
Did anybody buy shares in the company before the announcement?
So have done a video on Randil Mills Sun Cell?
The Meisner effect is the irrefutable hallmark of superconductivity. Do they have it or not?
But what if possible, but also highly radioactive?
This sounds a lot like the story of cold fusion energy that came out some years ago. With cold fusion energy no one was able to duplicate the experiments and the matter was shown to be a fraud.
So, side insight, there's likely to be naturally superconducting phenomena somewhere where the ambient is high pressure and/or cold, right? I'm thinking gas giants.
yep, metallic hydrogen on saturn. not with 100% confidence but the current thinking is that its there.
@7:46 this is why sound engineers will rule the world... BALANCED CABLES!!!!! I understand!!
So... No unobtainium then? :(
i saw a documentary series on the scandal surrounding jan hendrik schons discovery, and one of the things he did was he copied graphs from one paper to another, in a similar manner as youre describing at 5:49
edit: i had to search up his name to write it, it turns out that his research was also on semiconductors, what a coincidence
Yeah i hope nature and similar magazines will soon more eagerly opt out of the clickbait culture too. i also feel like science communication needs a bit more care in general..
Oh, what a pity.
Why? Money!
“…no, I don’t know what that is for all you Fahrenheit heathens.”
Immediately earns a ‘Subscribe’. 👍🏼
It would be great if this research is real! But sounds very suspect!
Up until their claim of investment turned out to be "aspirational" (ie a lie) I believed they might have made honest mistakes.
"Fahrenheit heathens!" 😂 This story reminds me a bit of the cold fusion fiasco back in 1991. It pays to remain skeptical, especially with the more sensational claims.
This is a change of subject, but I'm trying to make sense of the paper, "Negative-Mass Hydrodynamics in a Spin-Orbit-Coupled Bose-Einstein Condensate" (by L.C. Lee, et al., published in Physical Review Letters on April 10, 2017)... A little "light" reading. 😁 Has negative mass ever been detected?
Thanks again for all your work and videos!
We can't simply wish things into existence, no matter how strongly we desire them.
Such passionate attachment distorts our 'lens', warps our view of life and ourselves.
"I faked the results in the vain hope it will inspire the real discoveries!"
For the greater good, as always.
Get outside, breathe, take a walk!
2:16 Why is that guy not wearing any gloves?
If deliberate it won’t go unpunished.
I wonder if super cold planet would act as a magnetic ball in the universe.
Sounds a lot like cold fusion to me. 🙂
Lol
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Fishy from the start, with Sifo-Dyas' son at the wheel, I think it is
It seems like a stupid short-term fame...if only fraud
LENR 2.0? Reminds me a lot.
Here we go...just like the 80s.
Again...warm temp superconductors
10 Celsius = 50 Fahrenheit.
My conversion code:
celsius = (fahrenheit - 32.0) * 5.0 / 9.0;
fahrenheit = celsius * 9.0 / 5.0 + 32.0;
sounds like a new Theranos start up !!!
So sadly, we could simply have money/grant grab scam?
Excuse me, but some scientist have already demonstrated an effective super conductor process at MIT, I believe with magic angle graphene. They rotated adjacent atomic layers at a small angle and noticed the effect at ambient temperatures and pressure!. If they just scale such a process up by cleverly layering such trifold stacks with a medium between each and keep stacking them until they achieved a set suitable for use in macro electronics! I forgot the source but they discovered in those processes how to tune the band gap to the desired level! The problem as I perceive is that each group at companies and universities is funded by corporate interests all searching for the key to secure patent rights for themselves and sadly they are not about to assist each other?!!! How sad.
the outro music🥲
How can you possibly take the patent argument if you have already published the results in a journal? Surely you could patent the manufacturing method if it was not disclosed in the paper, but it is no reason to withhold data or even samples. It boggles me why people try to fabricate results like this when they 1000% know they will be checked by someone? 15 min of fame? or infamy?
Even if it's real, don't you still need 10,000 atmospheres of pressure?
ok, but the outro killed me