Ashley's Analysis | Clocked at 128mph and tried to run from the Police! .......Why?
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- Опубликовано: 26 май 2021
- When most reasonable people see the Police when they've been speeding they slow down, but my viewer accelerated up to 150 mph to try and escape. In this video I look up the decisions that were made and why. I also explain why I think his sentence wasn't too lenient.
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My late Dad had a saying " better late in this world than early in the next " .
Or "better to arrive late than to arrive dead on time"
How did that work out for him?
@@Scott-py1sd good, he was X SAS, paras, Irish Guard and Military police before becoming a manager at Rolls Royce, good luck trying to bollock my dad for being late 😉 but like everyone does, he passed away , unfortunately the big 'C' was a battle he couldn't win !
Good line that one
"Theres graveyards full of people who wanted to get there 5 minutes quicker".
This feels like a personal ‘what could have been’.
In a very miserable period of my life I would travel to my miserable job in my heavily financed BMW M135i (which I needed the miserable job to afford to own). It was even in Estoril Blue just like that 3 series.
I had so little respect for my own well-being and that of others that I’d gladly take it well over 100 morning and night on the motorway to work (even to 155 at times). The only difference is nobody caught me doing it.
My mindset at the time was not compatible with a powerful and aggressive car. I was fortunate enough to see sense, leave the job, sell the car and sort my head out.
@james It is good you have your mind right. I have an unfinanced 528i msport and have never been over 80 in it, but it does get there quickly.
This sounds very similar to my story, i gave up the job I hated (21years) and my driving is night and day. My whole life has slowed down as I'm not chasing money to pay for the debt I was in.
@@IzajResGS aggressive that depend on driving style, but a 3. 5 litre hatchback is certainly Powerful.
100 isn’t dangerous anyway most of the time
Lots of bmw drivers are like this
Credit to your viewer for being brave enough to send that one in.
He should be in prison
@@hymatwat9412 no he shouldn't because nothing happened, but he probably got a hefty fine and 6+ points on his license
@@johns2038 fat fine and a ban of at least a year or two of driving. 6 points is no where near enough.
@The night Rider ok? And he didn't?
His expensive lawyer probably instructed him to “show remorse” for the court
Fair play for sharing.
Lad
It's unfortunate that after he saw the cops he decided that it couldn't get any worse and increased his speed even more to try and get away, putting other road users in grave danger. I think he was so lucky that day that he did not hurt anyone and he learnt such a valuable lesson from the experience. I'm personally grateful that he shared his story with us. I wish other speeders can see this before it's too late for them.
Why do I see so many BMW's racing around, desperate to be in front, etc. They seem to be an attractive motor to the wrong type of ever-competitive, apparently time-sensitive characters. And they do seem to believe that having a BMW gives them some kind of seniority in priority...............
@@christurner6430 Personally, I think that the people who drive like that would do that in any other car, even if it's not a high-performance BMW car. I've seen so many badly behaved drivers on the road driving all sorts of car brands.They are just selfish drivers, full stop. Some people just get too excited by the fact that their car can accelerate fast very quickly. Today in traffic an older gentleman driving a powerful Porche SUV felt that he did not need to use his signals to change lane and instead just step on the gas very quick and switched lanes. I observed him doing that to me and several other drivers. That's just how he drives. I also drive a powerful BMW and you wouldn't catch me driving like a lunatic. Sometimes people are surprised when Im kind to them by letting them go first, so they freeze when I flash them to go thinking it's some kind of flash-for-cash scam or something..
I've done some silly speeds in my past & it scares me more now to think about it than it did at the time.
In all my years of owning the Evo IV I was only ever pulled over once, I did 85ish in a 40 & luckily for me the officer behind me wasn't able to get a reading on my speed, he just saw me dissappear up this road at a rate of knots.
I had got off the accelerator & was coasting down the rest of the road, I then saw the blue lights.
The officer actually really decent with me considering what he'd just witnessed.
I received no points, no fine & no invite to a speed awareness course.
I was very polite & apologised a lot, after that I warned not to drive in that manner again or my car would receive the equivalent of an ASBO.
I drove home at a more normal speed & didn't drive the car again for a month.
I was very lucky not to have any real repercussions for my driving, especially having only just past my C+E licence only weeks before.
Now I've been on the road for a good few years with my professional licence it's scary to see the driving that goes unnoticed, it's not just speed.
Tailgating, mobile phone use, just sheer brain dead acts that have caused so many near misses.
I've never done something so silly as that. But yes, I've gone too fast before. I think most drivers do, even if they don't admit to it, though I do my best to adhere to speed limits, it does sometimes creep up on you.
I have done a speed awareness course, when I was in a work van and got caught doing 37 in a 30 by a mobile camera van. I'll say this, the information they give you on those courses, is some of the best information on why you don't speed.
Even 1mph over adds so much distance to your stopping distance in perfect conditions, it was unbelievable to me at the time. At 30, including thinking time of 2 seconds (The average), it's around 133 feet to stop and at 31 it's 139. Only 6 feet, but just think how fast you might still be going. And add more speed to the initial speed you're going and it can get ridiculous.
You are right on what you see from the cab of a truck too. So many different things that can't be seen from the seat of a car that's poor behaviour. It's scary knowing those people are out on the road at times.
As Ashley says here: Education is key. It worked for me, far less allowing my speed to creep up (It does still happen occasionally, but my eyes aren't glued to my speedo, for obvious reasons. Though the moment I notice, I slow right down to back just under the limit.
If you’re concerned about braking distances, invest in tyres and brakes.
Perform testing in controlled conditions so you can reassess your understanding of braking distance based on tyre compound Vs. road surface with various different brake friction compounds.
You’ll be surprised ;)
Ive gone 120mph in 40 zone and didnt think much of it 😮💨
I completly agree. there have been points even tho I haven't been driving that long where I have done some really silly speeds as I thought if I wasn't speeding the speed limits so low its boring and couldn't understand why that is. Until recently in the snow I wasn't even speeding was doing about 30 mph (ik stupid do that in the snow but it was my first time driving in the snow and I didn't understand the dangers fully) my turn was coming up so I started pressing the brakes slightly at first but then noticed I wasn't slowing down at all not even by 1 mph I was just sliding pressed the brake harder and harder which only made it worse as the back started sliding out a little (I have learned now not to break like this in the snow) I hit the back of an older car that was parked I think from 2013 luckily no one was in the car as it was totally ruined. I remember panicking thinking how can there be so much damage at a low speed (my car damage was litrally nothing compared to the other car it's asif that car crumpled to take the impact for my car (there still was a fair bit of damage ofcorse) so yeah I was panicking thinking the insurance is gonna think I was going really fast and maybe not insure me again for a couple years. Luckily I've had a conversation with them and other people and they explained with my car being from 2022 and that car being 2013 I belive it was that the older a car is the less safe it is aswell as over factors like my car being bigger and having more weight then the other car and the conditions of the road (snow and ice) and explained that the damage is what they would expect from the 2 cars with the speed I told them I was going that speed being around 30 which is what i was doing (after sending in pictures of the crash) seeing just how much damage I caused at only around 30 mph did actually quite scare me and I am really thankful no one was in that car. But the reason it worried me is to think at times I've done like 80 to 90 mph on 30 and 40 roads. Imagine I hit someone then I'm almost certain it would either kill me or who ever is in the other car if not the both of us. It was a huge wake up call and actually made me quite thankful the speed limits arnt lower seeing the damage I caused doing the speed limit. Can not imagine a time I go over the speed limit in my life ever again. Driving is not a joke and it's not supposed to be fun it's luxury and do not take advantage of it. I couldn't imagine the guilt I would feel for the rest of my life if I killed another person just because I wanted to go fast or save a bit of time on my journey it would totally kill me on the inside. Please slow down there is a time and a place for having fun like speeding or drifting or what ever you want to do. Do it on a track or in a safe environment where your not gonna cause harm to anyone else not while your just traveling from point a to point b. It's not boring it's safe and be thankful your not walking that journey or having to take the bus. Like I said its a luxury not to be taking advantage of. If you read until this point I'm thankful for listening to my story and listening to what I had to say
@nickcook7408 although this would help the same logic still aplies although your breaking distance is a lot less with these upgrades each mph you increase will still had to your stop distance even if its slightly that slight difference could be the difference between it just being a crash and you killing someone. Just stick to the speed limits and leave the fun driving to the track are safe environment
You mentioned that he said he continued after he'd been spotted because he thought if he was caught he'd go to jail - I still think he got off incredibly lightly but maybe the proof that he didn't go to jail will get someone else to slow down and stop, instead of thinking in this way and blazing into a roundabout to try and escape
That he didn't get a hefty ban and fine is precisely why people will still drive like this idiot, they know they will only get a slap on the wrist. these pathetic sentences offer no jeopardy to dangerous driving whatsoever.
I thought it was an automatic ban over 100mph?
@@ynotnilknarf39 well as Ashley said, education and if the driver did goto jail lose this job and livelihood just because he was late, then other people would think well they would run from the cops too, jail time or get away from cops and no jail
@@CF_E30 That was never the case. Just myth.
@@CF_E30 The courts have discretion, if they have no prior history, show remorse and it would severely impact them if banned. For example, if they lost their job, and they had family and brought in the majority of the money.
Massive props to the viewer thats had the spuds to send this to Ash and to have it shown on here. Glad he has changed his way, I hope this lesson changes a few other people out there too.
Bullsh*t. People like him are only remorseful after they get caught. Shame he didn’t give a f*ck when he choose to do 128 mph. People like him will say anything to avoid the prison sentence.
We just need people in Malaysia to watch this video and PSA's on what happens when you speed... It's not worth it... Unfortunately, not a lot of people get that around here...
I did a similar thing once, I saw the police set off in my mirror and hammered it to the next turn off which was a sharp one into an industrial area. Maybe they were after someone else, I don't know but after a few weeks nervous wait for a knock on the door or a NIP, I felt it was a lucky escape. It shook me up, I thanked my good fortune and calmed down, a lot.
I think I agree on the sentencing and the treatment by the police, but the reasoning seems to reek of class privilege, implying that it wouldn't have happened were he a "different" character. So I'm not aggrieved he wasn't penalised more harshly, but I'm concerned that for exactly the same crime others would be.
yep. iirc someone got away with trying to light a fire at a petrol station, they were a law student or something at one of the big name universities. very little punishment element on whatever their tariff was. ill try to have a wee google and edit if i can find it...
edit: annoyingly i cant find it! It was a good few years back, might have some details slightly off hence why google isnt helping much, but I remember vividly that the judge specifically referred to the fact they had a promising career ahead of them when issuing the lenient sentence for whatever it was.
Agreed.
As he said, whole circumstances considered, a frank admission, no previous run ins with police mentioned, and effect on his life harsher sentencing would have had etc. If he does it again.....see what happens!
I'm not sure it is purely privilege - if he'd mouthed off at the cops, been an asshole while in custody etc, I think he'd have had the book thrown at him, regardless of suit and tie. If he'd been scruffily dressed and been civil with the cops, if he'd shown that he understood he'd done something so dangerous as this, and he'd learned an expensive lesson, then reduced charges (as he had) might have happened anyway.
Ive seen a bunch of full on chases with criminals in stolen cars through city streets with countless close calls and they get a year driving ban and suspended sentance, you get away with anything here
Having been in a high speed crash (110 mph straight into a tree). When I saw the police approaching the roundabout so quickly and I could see him losing traction as the suspension struggled to keep up with all the forces, it felt quite harrowing. I know first hand what can happen when things go wrong and that police car was very, very close to it going wrong.
I’m glad someone commented on this, there was so many things that could’ve gone wrong when the police car left that junction but it was so perfectly executed. I genuinely believe that a 4 wheel drive car with great brakes and the correct turn in time is what saved this police car from crashing!
@@xCrazzzzyIt is unlikely that the police car was AWD the vast majority of uk police cars are FWD or RWD estates like Focus ST Estates, Volvo V50 T5, BMW 3 or 5 series. But I do agree all these cars are quite above average in the stability and braking department and that's got to have been a large factor in that police car making the turn.
@@gregc9344 Hi Greg, my bad mate, I’m from South Wales and we’re pretty much run by AWD X5’s and 330d’s! :)
@@xCrazzzzy We have some X5's but they're only about 5-10% of traffic cars you see and one certainly wouldn't have got slowed from that speed that fast.
@@xCrazzzzy From the look of the video it was the safety systems that saved them, ABS/stability control etc, that's where the wobble comes from, it's the car working the brakes to keep it on the road.
wow, back in the 90s I got caught at 97mph and got £300 and 6 points back then. I was professional and rushing to an appointment and would have lost my job too. So it was still quite lenient. Thanks for the vid
Me too. 21 day ban plus £300 for 92mph in a 60 in 2002.
However I also had representation which cost me £200, so effectively a £500 fine.
What does pee me off a bit, is when you see total villains on those Traffic Cop TV programmes driving like lunatics, evading the Police and damaging property and get fined £150 and 3 points.
Postscript…I met the convicting magistrate at a barbeque about 10 years later…we all had a good laugh but she was mortified !
I agree with your reasoning Ashley and I don't think the sentence was too lenient. I'm glad he has changed his attitude towards driving and I have a lot of respect for him for sending this clip in. Thanks for another great, insightful video Ashley.
I’ve said this before but your videos really have informed and educated me. Since watching, and I watch them all, my driving style has changed dramatically for the better. My diving stress level has changed, I’m no longer on edge looking for cameras, police, I don’t get stressed, and believe it or not, I’m never late. Thank you Ashley, keep up the great work
10 years of driving, never had a crash, a knock, no parking tickets and i got my first speeding ticket the other day... i felt so ashamed, even if i dont get the points thats my clean slate gone :(
Horrible feeling isn't it
I was done twice for speeding within two years of passing my test. Haven't been done in the last forty years though. Far more careful now.
ouch man, what were you caught doing? if you feel happy posting that here that is
@@CactusforceX I was doing 78 in what I thought was a 70… but it was actually reduced to 60 and I must have just been in my own world and not realised
@@STRmw2 man that sounds pretty unfair tbh, I suppose if it's technically +18 mph they can't just leave it but that sounds more like collecting revenue than road safety.. assuming you had enough space around you etc lol
If he didn’t hesitate at first and just kept it nailed to the floor, I wouldn’t be typing this now.
You can't outrun a radio and the bear in the air!
@@blademansw You think the heli is just gonna teleport over them as soon as he was spotted? Police vehicles would be far to sparse to keep track of him with the headstart he had, not to mention he was in an M4 (top speed 305kph) which is faster than most of police vehicles we operate at the time including the heli which is a Eurocopter 135 which only has a top speed of 259kph making them about equal if you account for the bends in the road.
No he could be in a worse position and possibly hit someone losing their lives or his own.
@@gregc9344 He was in a 320D, as Ashley said in the video.
@@MageZathara yet our roads and German road are remarkably similar.. In Germany 120mph is cruising. They don't have more accidents than we do either.
This guy was just pressing on, he wasn't driving dangerously, he wasn't weaving etc, he looked in control. If the cop didn't give chase, he would most likely slowed for the exit and got to work.
I was offered a speed awareness course after several traffic camera hits. It was literally an education and has changed my outlook. I agree education is important.
Several?
@@mdcclxxviepluribusunum1066 er yes that was the third. None since.
@@grahamheath3799 you’re lucky. The official stance on receiving an opportunity to take a SAC or DIC is one offence. Something doesn’t add up these courses have been around for years and I doubt the system doesn’t pick and choose.
@@mdcclxxviepluribusunum1066 What can I say I know what happened. here was even talk about not being able to repeat the course for 3 years.
Touching on the point you make about speeding not getting you there faster. I absolutely agree:
Only a few days ago I was overtaken by a younger driver in a hurry, just after I exited a roundabout.
In order to overtake me the young lady had to drive into oncoming traffic, as the road was a single carriageway.
She was promptly held up by the vehicle ahead of me, which was also sticking to the speed limit and proceeded to overtake them as well.
Not more than a minute or two later, I found myself sat behind the young lady as we both stopped at the same set of traffic lights!
The lights turned green and she took off again, down a dual carriageway this time, weaving from lane to lane in order to get ahead.
Another minute or two of driving at the speed limit and I passed by the young lady as she waited to turn right at the next set of traffic lights!!!
The funniest part? She shoots me a dirty look as if to say "How are you still right there?!" :-D
Ever since I started to give myself more than enough time to make my morning commute I have found the drive to be so much more relaxing, simply because I am in no hurry.
And the commute itself, honestly, does not take any longer...
I’ve taken this to the extreme: I’ve seriously calculated which speed is the fastest overall, even with ideal circumstances. It’s 90 km/h for me.
The faster I go the more my car starts to guzzle the gas and the more trips to the fueling station I have to take on yearly basis. These cost more time than driving much faster.
@@RustOnWheels That is actually a fairly typical optimum speed for the highest gear in a consumer car, it varies some depending on conditions and the specific model of car but 90-100 km/h is fairly typical. That said the top gear generally isn't the only one optimised for efficiency over power, third gear tends to be also. As such most consumer cars are almost as efficient if not more so at a sustained speed around 40-50 km/h. Thus consumer cars are generally quite efficient at urban road speeds too it is the frequent stopping and starting that hits the city fuel economy figures. This both being due to a significant fraction of the energy burned going into the wheel heaters (friction brakes), also first gear trades efficiency for torque and to a lesser extent so do the intermediate gears for optimum acceleration, combined the constant stopping and having to rebuild speed kills fuel economy despite the car being almost as efficient when up to speed on most urban roads.
@@seraphina985 The most defining part of the fuel economy of my car is the direct drive & overdrive; I have an automatic, that’s why efficiency is at its best at that speed over lower sustained speeds. Although 60 km/h is also quite good.
I use the cruise control most of the time too, except when heavy acceleration is needed because it’s not efficient at all then.
I had an experience where I caught up with the speeder at every traffic light. When they took off from the last one, they were followed by the marked police car that had pulled up behind them
We sometimes forget that it's a system of justice and not retribution or revenge. Is it flawed? Of course, but it's probably the least flawed of the options. Any system that has inbuilt within it the possibility of someone turning their life and/or their actions around through careful sentencing and/or education is a mark of civilisation. The fact it goes wrong sometimes doesn't automatically discount the numerous times it goes well.
However our justice system is still deeply flawed. We're throwing people who need our care and support in prison for drug possession.
Completely agree, judges have to consider if a conviction is in the interest of the public, if a single parent did this, I would again expect them to not go to prison but if they did 2-3 times then I would, but if a single parent goes to jail for a crime that didnt hurt anyone your only hurting there children, but if he had hit and injured someone (or worse) then he would have rightly been sent down. I've been arrested for something stupid and I owned up straight away, helped the officers involved with the investigation to ensure they understood why I did it (as fucking stupid as it was), that no one else was involved and it was all on me. I was given a caution and I haven't done anything remotely as stupid since.
The justice / legal system should be a deterrent.
When you can literally pay your way out of a prison sentence, there’s no deterrent at all. And some criminals around here know that.
My local paper is full of offenders like him, who always evade prison time. Usually by saying they need their Audi S3 for care in the community, helping their elderly gran.
Just for the. to repeat the same motoring offences the following week. One guy even totted up 48 points.
Prison should be harsh and people should fear it. Don’t want to go to a harsh prison? = don’t commit a crime.
@@notmenotme614 On the face of it, you would expect a harsh prison régime to work. Yet the Netherlands, which has a far more enlightened system than ours sends far fewer back to prison, because the behaviour of inmates isn’t made worse by the experience. On the contrary, education and rehabilitation is a strong part of the penal system, and it works. You would also expect the US to have little crime, as the prison system there is notoriously harsh for a western country. Harsh systems don’t work. They ought to by logic, but not by the evidence - and justice policy should be evidence based (no pun intended) rather than doing what feels to be right. Do I think that some get away with too much trolling of the justice system? Yes. Should there be harsher punishment for repeated offences? That depends on what the harsh punishment is. For some this would mean having to drive around in a shocking pink base model Fiat 500 with the words ‘I used to speed. Now look what they’ve made me do.’ written on each side. That would probably be a far greater deterrence than prison for some. I’d take the prison sentence if forced to choose.
@@spamvacuum What’s wrong with pink, base model, Fiat 500’s?
i'd love to see this guys reaction watching DMO's videos
😂😂😂 he'd have a heart attack
Omg 😂😂😂😂😂
LMAO
Last year, I was travelling at around 55-60mph on a dual carriageway when someone (at around 100mph) overtook the car behind me, signalled and pulled into my lane !
After the collision thanks to Newtonian mechanics, both vehicles were travelling at about 80mph but although he was still going straight ahead, I was shunted off to the left and almost immediately impacted with the tractor unit's rear axle of a parked up hgv lorry.
This accident hurt a lot as it was like my whole upper torso was 'Whiplashed' which even after ten weeks of physio is still painful.
Firstly I am thankful to still be alive (it could have gone very differently!) and my car has been replaced but Compensation for my injuries and uninsured losses hasn't been sorted out yet and no one has even mentioned any possible prosecution of the driver (though it has been established that it was his fault 100%).
I hope that he lost his licence at the very least and I now drive to a safe speed within the speed limit at all times !
(I also now own an expensive front and rear dash cam to capture any incidents in the future!)
Remember Smokey Nagata getting clocked at 197 MPH on the A1 all the way back in 1999. That was certifiably insane.
Barely speaking English and in a car with Japanese plates too lol, although his run was done at like 4am
a friend of mine went out on his Kawasaki at two am and ran down the A3M to Portsmouth at 160-170 mph. He said when a red light appeared in his sight he had to move into the outer lane instantly because as soon as he saw it he was on it. He said the white lines blurred into one long white line, That sounded hairy, god knows what 197 would have been like.
This is super helpful and I'm really glad that guy shared this video and his story. I can't say I wouldn't have panicked in that situation 😬. Thanks for the video Ash
Appreciate the dudes candidness and I can understand his mindset to an extent. We're all human and all have the ability to make some terrible and downright stupid decisions at times, but the learning is the important part.
Very interesting video and brave of the viewer to send it in. I thought about your earlier poll which asked about speed in urban and motorway areas. His speed was approx 2x the speed limit and this is obviously outrageous. However I live on a fairly busy residential road with a 30 limit, cars regularly exceed 45-50mph along it, I've been overtaken while doing 30 (in front of the primary school no less) to me this is far more dangerous yet it's an everyday occurrence.
I hate people who speed in 30 zones, I occasionally put my foot down but only on empty, straight national speed limit roads and I never tailgate
I was under the presumption, any thing over 100mph was an instant 1 year ban?
I have a mate who was caught doing 125 on a motorbike along with 2 of his friends. They all went to court with different solicitors, but all saw the same judge one was banned for 12 months and my mate and one of his friends got off with a fine and points. My mate had no previous convictions, i can't speak for the others, all depends on circumstances and what judge and solicitors you get.
This footage is beyond a speeding charge. Once the guy tried to escape the police car, he was endangering the lives of the public, himself and the police officers.
So was I
I don't think it is a hard an fast rule. It just depends on the case at hand and what the court believes is a correct punishment.
Different country on a Hayabusa with 150 mph on a highway with light traffic. Banned 1 months and 330 pounds fine. Motorcycle cops was nice and thanked me for stopping. 😊
Great video. This level of detail leading up to how crashes occur with all perspectives would be brilliant
my father is a retired telecommunications engineer, and often had to deal with police radios. He had a job on a traffic car in the late 90's, where the 'radio quality at 140mph+ had too much static'. He had to get in the passenger seat, the officer asked the sergeant to run the car at speed, which was OK'd. My father, even then, is a seasoned driver, and he didn't like going that fast, even with a TRAINED officer under blue lights/siren. He found the fault, got it sorted, and had to go out AGAIN to make sure it was repaired.
Germans do it daily for decades on the german autobahn, your dad sounds like a wuss
@@henrik1743 thanks troll, for making blocking you so easy to do
So. Illegal driving by the police. No surprise there.
Screw that.
Full credit to the guy for sending this clip in so we can all learn from his error. I also agree with your reasoning Ashley.
I amassed 13 points on my licence all within a few months in the late 80s. I was a bit of a daft young lad with access to a lot of cars. The court did not give me a ban because of my job and the magistrate told me that I would be driving for the next 3 years with the Sword of Damocles above my head. As with your driver, it completely changed the way I drove knowing that even the smallest misdemeanour would end in a ban.
Thanks to Ashley and the viewer for sharing this and allowing others to learn the lessons learned the hard way. Love this content. Cheers.
One of your best videos to date, thank you. Hats off to the viewer who sent in the footage: a courageous and helpful decision.
Given the fact that fines sometimes have very little effect, I'd like to see jail time for this type of offence.
Perhaps a day's jail for each mph above the speed limit.
The guy chose to drive at up to 150mph, and whatever education this guy had received in the 14 years he had been driving, he clearly chose not to be educated.
This video, and it's premise that the driver was trying to escape the police, made me wonder about a couple of things. I lived in Germany and regularly rode at 180mph + on the autobahns. I didn't have an accident and was not chased or prosecuted by the police as there are unrestricted sections. I have to wonder whether how many accidents happen in the UK as people panic when the police chase them. Okay, I was quite used to driving at those speeds, have raced both cars and motorcycles but I do believe that drivers concentrate much harder at speed. I saw almost no accidents on the German autobahns and the Germans drive in far more disciplined way. The worst drivers I saw were British truck drivers who wandered all over both lanes. I do think the low speed limits on British motorways cause more accidents and complacent driving.
Secondly, the police here in the UK are dreadful drivers. They demonstrate a frightening level of over confidence and, as that clip showed, drive with little or no margins for error. Some years ago I read an insurance industry survey which concluded that serving police officers were 9 times more likely to be involved in a serious accident than a member of the public. Two of the most serious near misses I have had have been caused by the police while chasing other people.
Most laws exist to generate revenue. We live in somewhat of a nanny state here in the UK too, which is uses safety as a justification for some of the more oppressive laws. Yet, they ultimately cause more harm than good. Creating criminals merely by creating pointless laws is great to justify ever increasing police powers, but it's bad for society as a whole. Prohibition of certain things is one prime example of how the law itself creates an entire criminal underworld. It does nothing to make the world a safer place, in fact its the exact opposite. It's all ridiculous.
Here is a stat for you, a motorcyclist is on average 15 times more likely to be involved in a fatal accident than any other vehicle user. Actually Germany is not safer than the UK, it’s about the same. Their higher standard of driving decreases the risk but the unlimited speed limit sections increases the risk.
The idea unlimited speed limits increases safety because people “concentrate more” and because less people “panic and attempt to evade the police” is ridiculous and moronic. The human reaction time and coordination abilities has not changed for thousands of years yet cars have quadrupled in speed over the last 100 years. The vast majority of people are not stupid enough to attempt evading the police.
You could argue the case that unlimited speed limit sections (or at least increased limits) could be afforded if there was a national plan to increase driving standards but that’s a philosophical argument and it wasn’t the argument that you made. I would personally favour a 90 mph top limit and have it policed vigorously as opposed to having a 70mph limit that most people don’t stick to anyway.
@@Make_Boxing_Great_Again 😴😴😴 You just stick to walking everywhere and I'm sure you'll life to be 120 and I'll stick to what has seen 40 years of safe riding and driving. I bet you're the life and soul of the party 😂
@@PurityVendetta Yes but remember, drive as fast as possible so that you concentrate more! 🥹😅😂🤣🤣🤣
They've got no excuse for that, British trucks are limited to the 56 maximum. In Germany theirs are limited to 52!
Thanks to your viewer and you . So many lessons in life here,just not in driving.Its never too late when you think your into it to deep,to change your ways. Education and what's not mentioned but emphasized "rehabilitation" 👍
the control police driver have at high speeds is amazing i remember being in the back of when when they rushed me to hospital to see my sister when she hard her incident absolutely amazing felty like a sick dog in the back though but how the handle it dame
I think we also have to question our society that places people in positions where they feel speeding is necessary. It’s easy to say ‘Leave earlier’ but if you travel for work, maybe you have multiple appointments or you’re delivering goods, it’s not that easy. Lots of people are under lots of pressure and it’s a recipe for disaster.
I'm a little uncomfortable with the idea that being a professional in shirt and tie may have affected how he was treated in court. Would a tattooed guy with ripped jeans, a hoody, and his baseball cap on backwards (OK, that last one should be an offence in itself!), with a similar driving record, have fared so well?
100%, everytime i hear the UK courts doing this I cringe, they aren't all seeing; some unemployed person, to them a down and out, could have been a day away from a new job and more success than one of their favoured professional class cases
Yep it's all classist bs. Just because they don't like your fashion sense they can throw the book at you. Meanwhile if you're a car or bike thief the shoddier you look, the better your odds of getting away with it! Says alot about our institutions.
This is exactly what would have happened and I know, I’ve been there. Don’t forget about being from a bad area or how you talk etc, that influences police and courts’ decisions.
Whether you like it or not, "impressions count", somebodies attire, their history etc give you a very good indication of whether this was a "lapse" of judgement, or whether it's something they do regularly.
The system is flawed, in many ways utterly broken, but the way someone looks, does tend to give you a significant idea about their character etc.
A judge will trust their own ability to read intent, remorse etc of an offender who is from their own culture. Someone who looks like them, of similar background who they can relate to can be presented as Normal, ‘not a typical offender’ and ‘just like you and me’. This is bias and likely affected the outcome here.
We do see judges lean hard into (rather than check) their bias. It’s almost as if they see that as their role.
Honestly this clip is crazy, we all think we are amazing drivers but to be completely honest I genuinely couldn't have approached a roundabout at that speed and come out unharmed, very impressive
The police do have some really good drivers. Despite there being some whippersnappers who are convinced they could out run in a 1.2 corsa
The guy clearly had no idea how to drive quickly, or rather, how quickly you can drive through a corner, that car could have easily made it, but fortunately the driver couldn't and crashed in a safe manner.
@@Nothing-yi6vwThey do, that was a bit fast into the slip lane though.
Hope he did the lottery on the same day!! 🍀😇🤞
@James Stewart to pay a loophole lawyer to talk him out of a decent punishment
Its a joke to be honest, my brother in law got 6 points for doing around 100mph on the motorway and £500 fine how on earth this guy got 5 points and £290 fine is beyond me
All the fines have changed now. It's no longer 60 and 3 points for exceeding 30 in a 30 limit for example.
You get a lower fine if you earn less which is not fair.
One thing I used to do was go fast, 155+ on empty roads and in the UK you can't do this. Cars are not built for it unless high performance models and even then the slightest wrong move can kill you and others.
One thing I agree with is that not speeding gets you there using far less fuel and with far less stop/start.
People that overtake me hate it when I wait behind them at red lights.
I have seen many people scraped up off roads, cut out of cars and idiot bikers having tarmac removed from skin.
One person went speeding in a convertible and after he crashed at 100+ on a country road, the marks on one part of the road indicated where his head was so it could be collected with other parts.
Speeding is for race tracks not public roads.
If you want to test your ability and learn to drive properly in a more satisfying manner, contact IAM and go on some courses.
Most drivers can only go fast in a straight line on dry roads, but have no idea how a car can react. They will rely on driver assistance packs and think they will save them.
This is why I don't like boy and girl racers in their chavmobiles or people in powerful cars that have no common sense or driving ability.
If you was a police chief you'd have got away Scot free as they do.
A good holy Joe story.
I bet your brother wasn't wearing a tie.
He may have had an excuse for speeding but obviously there is no excuse for careless driving.
That must have been some appointment, lol. The person must have had an appointment to have some kind of Elixar injecting into him. But seriously, I respect this person for sharing this entire situation with us, especially what was going through their mind at the time. This is very informative and also brings up some complex questions. I like what you brought up at the end with educating some people rather than always convicting. Same goes with other crimes. Well done. I wish them the best. I am glad they were lucky, and I am glad they did not see that luck as "nothing serious happened to me now, so I can do it again and get away with it" like so many others do.
Since ive been watching your channel ive definitely calmed down in my car! Always very good points and observations. Good work my man
The copper should have moved into lane 3 much earlier at those speeds. There was no reason to pass the white car in lane 2 with a 50-60 mph speed differential when lane 3 was clear.
That’s what I thought at first however it is just before a fairly tight right bend so being in the middle lane gave better visibility for what was potentially round the bend and coming up very quickly.
@@phillipjefferies7443 Are we talking about the same car? I'm referring to the one at 1:32, before/during a wide open LEFT hand bend. Lane three, ( or straddling lane 2 and 3 ) would give better visibility. A few seconds later, at 1:37, the black car in lane 1 is clearly close behind the vehicle in front of it and therefore likely to pull out into lane 2. Luckily the black car indicated ( even though they didn't look properly) giving the copper a heads up, but It was a full 6 seconds after seeing the hazard before the copper actually changed lanes.
Pretty sure advanced drivers are told to use the centre of the road where possible, gives options to move left or right.
Popo always take a huge risk. No chase no accident. Popo drives fast becuse they think its fun even when they dont have a chase. Automated radar is best even fo catching cop cars drivig fast for no reson. I have seen them drive redicules fast when they are in hurry to the station becasue their shift has ended. Becasue at the same time when im driving home lots of popo cars pass me at the same time same place together on their way back to the station with no sirens on or blue lights on, why??
Brilliant. A great reminder of why the police are there on our roads: Not for revenge or vengeance, but to make our roads a safer place to be. Every case assessed on its own merits, and it sounds like this guy got exactly what he needed to get in order to become a better driver and make our roads that little bit safer.
I was hit by a car at a Zebra crossing back in Bulgaria 10 years ago. I had a broken leg and my pal had nerve damage. The man still kept his license though, because he was a sole provider for his family. I am not sure how I feel about that, because it has made me terrified of crossing the road ( less so now that I am learning to drive). Not sure if education would help. I would rather they had to resit the test, not necessarily banned, but at least get a professional to see if they still had it to pay the necessary attention. They were older.
I always get confused by European zebra crossings, nobody seems to slow down
@@5uper5kill3rz Depends where you are. In Northern Europe, especially Holland, most people slow down for zebra crossings. In Southern Europe, especially Italy or France, you're lucky if they lift their foot off the throttle. Event then it varies a lot even within countries. Legally they all have to give way to pedestrians who cross on the zebra crossing but lax enforcement and a culture of reckless driving can do a lot to negate this in practice, just as stricter enforcement and a culture of conservative driving will have the opposite effect.
seems like the officer was trying to brake hard and turn in a little to avoid the verge which may have caused the instability. would expect if the black van was not there the officer would have had a straighter line and little issue. after all the pursuit drivers are really good drivers.
The officer went over a crest at 120mph, I'd imagine the lack of weight on the wheels whilst trying desperately to slow a car which was already travelling far too quickly for the geometry of the road was the cause of the 'instability'
A driving course does not permit you to defy the laws of physics.
@@mcgherkinstudios not to mention all the extra weight those traffic cars carry...!
@@mcgherkinstudios cadence threshold braking makes the car wobble its normal takes a lot of practice
@@Rockhopper1 You can’t cadence brake in a car with ABS.
@@Rockhopper1 You can’t cadence brake in a car with ABS and threshold braking isn’t the same thing.
Regardless, this was simply a full ABS assisted stamp on the brakes
The best, unbiased, fair & honest reviews of a piece of driving I've seen!
I've only stumbled upon this channel in the past few days and while I'm a very experienced & probably better than average driver (and cyclist), I have already learned a number of new things!
Keep up the great work Ashley & kudos to the viewer for the bravery & honesty send in the clip and volunteer to face some tough questioning.
How did they define a 'professional man'? What does that even mean?
Professional drivers these days just seem to be any tool who has a taxi licence or LGV org HGV licence.
Not a grafter , a white collar guy . Hence the company car etc
Someone with a degree. Doctor, nurse, solicitor etcetera.
@@Historyfan476AD He said professional man not professional driver ya ding dong
It means he was in solid and good standing employment. He paid all of his taxes, bills and had insurance. He was normally of good character, with no previous convictions. In other words. He wasn't a layabout. Or (apart from that single occurrence) a criminal. The vast majority of people that the Police stop driving at those kinds of speeds are career criminals. Usually with criminal records stretching back to childhood.
Really good vid Ash, really good. I had a free advanced driving lesson with my Honda Civic TypeR - THE BEST MONEY I NEVER SPENT!! I use the lessons I learned every time I drive. Absolutely fantastic. Respect, patience, defensive, anticipation, gear choice, spacial awareness, proximity, speed even fuel preservation. I don’t speed anymore. And I have an M140 now - I just love driving.
Normal travel speed over here in Germany, but I know that this is always a funny topic for people from other countries.
Frame of mind and attitude makes all the difference.
It's not _that_ normal though, is it? Most drivers seem happy with around 130 km/h from my experience of the open sections of the Autobahn and it's certainly not normal in the restricted sections, where it would be just as illegal as it is on the M58.
@@PedroConejo1939 Yeah on one you tubers channel most seem to be happy about 70mph
So how do you ensure slower drivers don't enter the overtaking lane (without checking mirror) when someone is already in it doing about 130 mph? That to me is the real danger. I don't trust slower drivers not to do something extremely stupid or careless.
@@johnflavin1602 Training. Training. Training, which is obviously anathema to most UK drivers.
In Britain, slower drivers expect to be able to pull out in front of faster drivers and then hold them up; it's like a national sport. Try that on an Autobahn and learn the meaning of Verkehrsstrafe.
This is the problem with UK speed limits. The year 2010. Visiting inlaws in Germany. Drive from Norfolk to Dover, on the boats. France. Belgium, Netherlands and into Germany. While there on a day trip to the Black mountains just outside Dauntmont on the German Motorway you got the 70kph limit through the city, then the 90, then the 120 and a bit later the 120 sign with a diagonall line through. That my friends is unrestricted section. Ahead is 38 miles of limit free motorway. People are doing 100mph in the slow lane. Even in normal cars like Focus, Golf, People carriers etc.. myself are in my Jaguar XKR so in silence and comfort I hold the + button on the cruisr control and get to a reasonable 145MPH and sit there for the next 30 miles with a BMW series and a SL tucked safely in behind me. Even at that speed I was overtaken a few times. Perfectly legal, Perfectly safe, nothing to worry about. Most cars with any reasonable HP in the last 20 years are limited to 155 MPH (Normally due the taxation class a tyre limits). But these cars are tested well beyond that.
Yet over here 80 MPH is frowned upon. We are not driveing Morris Marinas or Ford Cortinas anymore.
The 70mph limit was bought in the 60s, and is outdated like the 60s and should be reviewed and updated.
Now that Judge gave a common sense penalty, the road had light traffic, dry conditions and good visibility. If he had not seen the police car he would I'm sure never have crashed. And that 24 year old copper with 6 weeks training is perfectly legal to do 150 MPH plus. Yeah I'm sure he is the next Lewis Hamilton.
Now I don't speed in this country, I never really have. But driving abroad opens up the fact that speed DONT kill, lack of skill does. German motorways are amongst the safest roads in Europe. Have driven 10s of 1000s over there and NEVER seen a accident on the motorways. Why? Because the people who use them have learned how to drive properly.
In Gernam you have to be taught by an instructor (no L plates on ya dads car) you Have to dona minimum amount of hours, you Have to do a minimum amount of hours in rain. Night time, City driving and Motorway driving often being asked to travel at 120mph and how safely to do so.
Our drivers need more education in this country as lets face it, we have ALL done 90 on the odd occasion if the road is clear.
Now in this case if he was doing 130mph in heavier traffic, undertaking and driving like a 🔔 end, then fine, he deserves the punishment as its dangerous. But what he was doing was not dangerous. Without them police he would in own time Just wound down, came off his exit at a normal speed and got to were he was going with no issues.
I completely agree. I'm not driving a particular powerful car, but my comfort zone in terms of speed is around 100 mph and I also don't consider it a particular safety issue if people overtake me with 120+ mph. It works just fine and the German Autobahn is actually safer than rural roads in terms of accidents. The greatest danger are lane hoggers and tailgating idiots, not fast cars in general.
The UK limit with 70 mph is just ridiculously slow in comparison tbh. It's just odd that the speed limits came from a time when cars where so much more of a death trap than todays cars, but some people on here even think that 90 mph is already a deadly speed.
Hitting a brick wall is already deadly at 30 mph, so why not go down to 30 everywhere, just to be safe.
Mancave totally agree my xfr thinks 130 is a stroll, however the elephant in the room is the police car late swooping the exit, 120+ over a blind crest with absolutely no hope of stopping if there was traffic on roundabout, as prooved by tbe car squirming and failing to stop entering roundabout at 50+. Driving lunacy at its finest from a so called trained proffessional.
Amongst the safest in europe?
Fatality rate per 1,000,000,000 travel-kilometres
Autobhan 1.9 - UK motorway's 1.4
All roads - Germany 4.6 - UK 3.4
specificaly 2018 figures but always much higher rates in Germany, many years its double the rate of UK, German rates are fairly middling compared to the rest of western europe.
Yes, that's it, "Speed Kills". Let's reduce all speed limits everywhere, 20 mph zones, 30 kph zones here in Ireland. Pretty soon we'll go back to having a guy walking in front of every car with a red flag. Cars are much safer than they were many years ago, the roads are better (well they're much better now here in Ireland than they used to be in the 70s and 80s) yet governments keep decreasing the speed limits. Back in the 90s I can remember UK lane hoggers being flashed to move out of the way and they all did so. What has changed so that nowadays lane hoggers are just allowed to get away with it?
@@johnflavin1602
Cars may be safer than ever but your average driver is more distracted than ever (phones and display screens in cars also sheer amout of traffic they need to watch) their reaction times are likely going to be slower.
Hit a pedestrian at 40mph it really dont matter much if its a 70's car or a brand new one, result is gonna be the same. except hoping you AEB works...
If i could actually maintain 20mph I would be happy but always too much traffic for that, and when its quiet its sheer luck of the lights.
King Germany is pretty much the same as the UK, general 50kmh (31mph) limit in built up areas and 30kmh (18mph) is residential areas
Think the last time they talked about increaing uk motoway limit the biggest problem was the fuel usage / polution it would cause,
Air resistance is exponential... 90mph requires almost double the energy of 70mph
130 MPH isnt that much for modern cars these days. Like Ash has said, a 320d can easily tog along at 120mph
tbf In the right place and the right time it is not dangerous, but a sudden turning vehicle can stop it in an instant and thats the issue
and modern brakes that can stop you from that speed well within what the official braking distances say
And we are all forgetting that the country we fought in the war has no speed limits on many of their motorways
@@genuine_legend Until 1965 neither did we. The only speed limits were in built up areas,. This was famously exploited by certain car manufacturers for testing purposes.
Agreed, but it's the person who pulls out into the overtaking lane without looking/checking mirror who will cause a crash. Used to ride a bike and just expected this to happen all the time and that way you're ready for it. On the bike I wore a high vis jacket and a lot of people seeing me approach from behind thought I was the police so used to get out of my way, that was great.
Amazing video, thank God nobody got hurt and lessons have been learned by (a) the driver and (b) anybody with any imagination watching that clip plus your analysis. 100% agree with what you said Ashley. Fair one.
Really interesting video, major respect to the guy for making those changes and having the courage to share the vudeo
I thought anything 100+ MPH is an instant license revokation regardless of most mitigating factors. I'm shocked the insurance company paid out considering they will refuse to pay out for in comparison minor issues such as overtinted windows, or using a car for business on a recreational only policy.
apparently not for "professional" people
I thought anything 30 mph over the limit was heading for a ban . This is as usual the wrong message from the courts , insurance and employers
There are lots of people with more than 12 points still driving because they need a licence for their job . It's some bullsh*t if you need a licence for a job drive appropriately. If you aren't speeding you can't get caught
Nah mate. My mate got done a few years ago at 140mph. Got off with a fine. I am guessing it was because he was on a Motorway.
@@hybridangel3403 This makes the most sense. It's the overall situation that mattters. 140 on an empty motorway is not as bad as going 60 in a residential area at 4pm.
Imagine if U.K. had motorways like the autobahn
It would work very well, just some things that must change for it to work.
No undertaking under any circumstances
Lane hogging gets treated with a higher punishment and the driver gets fined for driving without care and attention
A maximum advisory limit 70-80.
@@wumpty93 Excellent points, there’s also the “heavier” speed limits around a lot of junctions.
It would never be put in place though, too many years of demonising speed as the sole factor for road accidents makes it political suicide for anyone to attempt to bring back the original purpose of the motorways.
He'd be busted. German roads will have a speed limit in place in this layout. There is this fable everyone speeds on the autobahn. Most don't and learn the rules of the road, it is mostly the foreign drivers who cause trouble.
Be mint
Your viewer is brave for sharing and lucky it all worked out. This vid has definitely got me thinking.
Really interesting video and different angle to driving tuition for the channel. I appreciate when having a court appearance the whole context is taken into account and the judge makes the decision based on this. With the driver's remorse and attitude change it seems to have been the correct one. As a company car driver I learnt for myself (due to trying to save fuel) that travelling at slower speeds on the motorway is not only efficient but more relaxing and most importantly, as you indicated, has little effect on the journey time.
On a main road near me, a young woman was late for her dental appointment. I was on a bus half way to the nearby town and the bus had to turn back.
The police will close the road for hours while they examine every detail when a person is killed.
And rightly so. If it was your loved one that had been killed and the police told you we didn't gather all the evidence bcos we needed to get the road open again and the person that was responsible got off Scott free... would you be happy?
@@RichO1701e don’t get why you’re on the offensive, the original comment was very impartial and simply describing what happened
Taking a Rospa defensive driving course teaches people to drive far better.
I did one 30 years ago courtesy of British Rail and highly recommend one.
I went with AIM.
I did the advanced driver course at the IAM about 25 years ago. The skid pan was great fun !
Yep, I’d fully recommend advanced driver training to anyone.
Absolutely. In the past I've done both ROSPA & IAM defensive driving days as a young company car driver, and they made a big difference to my driving.
+1 for advanced driving and defensive driving courses or any additional driver training once you have been driving a few years. I've done a RoSPA and it added a new dimension to driving as was getting pretty boring. It is actually fun again as just so much more aware of surroundings etc.
A driver education course did me the world of good. I must admit, I was a speeder for many years until I was caught speeding, I was offered the driving course and haven’t speeded since. Love your videos Ashley, keep them coming.
Very thorough and informative video, thank you! 👍
No I'm sorry but the punishment didn't fit, he was clocked at 130 mph, nearly twice the legal speed limit & didn't get a ban? Just 5 points & a £290 fine. I got 5 points & a £230 fine 25 years ago for doing 98 mph on the M25 in a company car whilst en route to a job. I didn't try to run from the police either. Nothing like consistency eh. Fair play to the driver for allowing his story to be shared to educate others though, he is a very lucky man to still have his licence.
A lot of very good comments here - The fact that you don't save time by speeding is covered excellently, I couldn't put it better. Also the baying crowds calling for people to be sent down on what COULD have happened instead of what did happen, and the result of that, are sadly rife in this world.
I don't think there's any point flogging the viewer who sent in the clip, it's obvious he's learnt his lesson and knows exactly what he did wrong. I can't see someone who was doing 150mph was simply 'late for a meeting' though - I think he was just pushing his car to the limit (because in that car that really is the limit!) to see what it would do on a fairly empty motorway, but that's not really important now. Of course, driving at 130mph increases stopping distances massively, puts you at a huge risk of a big accident even from something that is outside of your control like mechanical failure, makes any accident that does happen worse, and doesn't really achieve anything anyway.
What is interesting to me is the standard of driving from the police officer. I'd like to bring up 2:01. We can see that the police car is leaving the motorway at 135mph, slowing to 130mph as they pass the van. One of the key points of advanced driving is so that you should always drive so that you can safely stop within the distance you can reasonably see to be clear. In this case, the Transit is obscuring their view of the left lane. They bolt past the van with easily a 60mph or greater speed differential, not knowing whether, for example, a motorcyclist was in front of that van. Given that there were two lanes on the exit, if there had been a biker in front of that van, it would be likely that they would potentially move across into that right lane smack bang in front of the police car. They wouldn't have seen it, and it wouldn't have seen them, until it was too late. Is that risk worth it?
Furthermore, even worse, the police officers go over the crest of the road, which is of course immediately before a junction where traffic is likely to be queued, at 122mph. They are at this point completely out of control of the car, have no chance of stopping or avoiding any traffic or debris on the road which appeared in front of them as they went over the crest, and entered the roundabout, albeit having released the brakes and continuing at over 60mph, being unable to bring the car to a halt if required. And of course, this criticism applies to the viewer's driving too although we can't see it.
To me, the driving from the police officer in this video is equally shocking and dangerous as the viewer, and isn't far off from causing the exact same accident. I wouldn't say they were 'using their skills' to bring the car down from 130mph, just sheer dumb luck. But then, it's common to see this kind of driving in pursuits (and, I'm reliably informed, in training, with candidates encouraged to pass traffic at huge speed differentials) and whilst there is a need to catch people who break the law, it should not be at the risk of causing fatalities amongst innocent parties. Personally I really do think - and I know this is going to upset people - that the driving standards in the police are not good enough and given that the police have control over the entire process, I don't think there's enough oversight or any real effort put into improving training rather than just teaching the same thing that's been taught for the last 20-30 years or more.
I'm not trying to speak as some all knowing driving god either - In my past I used to drive far too quickly having hit over 160mph on the road, and was very lucky to have been given a warning after being pulled at 130mph, but I've changed my driving a lot since and keep my fast driving to the track. I really enjoy the challenge of advanced driving now, and knowing what I've learnt as I continually improve my knowledge and review my own driving, I would never drive like I drove again, but that knowledge has also shown me that very few people, even those who should know better and are supposedly some of the best drivers on our roads, don't take advanced driving seriously.
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I'm not trying to start an argument here, just some discussion about it, and yours is the most comprehensive comment about the police's driving. I personally think the police driver was in complete control. In regards to the comment about passing the van without knowing what is on the other side, if you go back in the clip to where the transition ends, the police are coming round a right-hand bend with good visibility all the way up to the van and the junction. This is also pointed out by Ashley who says they have seen the BMW leave at that junction. It stands to reason that they know there is nothing in front of the van, and as such it is safe to pass at that speed. Secondly, the delay on the vehicle's radar means the police are travelling significantly slower at each stage you mention than appears. You can see once the police stop that the radar still says they are doing 25mph, then a second later 12mph, so the delay is at least a second, if not two. Based on this, they are doing between 86 and 100 over the crest, once you factor in that they know both the roads they are driving on and the limits of the car they are driving, which is still fast but reasonable, between 54 and 40 as they approach the roundabout, and then between 40 and 36 as they enter the roundabout. This is reasonable once you consider the bushes on the right of the slip lane are considerably set back from the roundabout, so the driver has plenty of time to see if something is coming. Overall I think the judgment is nigh on perfect, but as you say, I am not some all knowing driving god either, so it's just my opinion.
@@AntiSpamming a good point made. I wouldn't be able to side with either due to my lack of knowledge but I reckon he scared the c out of the van driver though!
Possibly a bit fast into the slip lane, however his car control was good.
Great video Ashley, lots to think about and consider.
A thoughtful, compassionate and enlightening video. You’re absolutely bang on about education being the best result.
You see how skilled and safe that police officer was driving that car? Why can’t there be advanced driving licences so that anyone with the wants and means can learn to drive like that on the Motorways? Not weaving in and out of lanes of course. I just mean the speed. It’s completely safe to do in the right hands and conditions and as long as the cars graded for it of course.
They do it in Germany with no real problems but I still think there should be a license. And also the license comes with huge responsibilities too, like a pilots license in that sense. You can’t just get one and then fly like an idiot, even knowing the consequences. You really have to adhere to some strong professional guidance if if you don’t and you do cause harm, there will be serious penalties.
It just doesn’t make sense that we have these amazing cars, that are completely safe and easy to drive at 100mph+ but yet we have a silly arbitrary 70mph limit, designed for cars and roads built in the 70s.
Are you serious?
@@135Ops Yes, why? Don't you like the idea of going past 70mph?
Having driven on German autobahns when visiting my in-laws, the fastest I ever did was 90 mph.
The most worrying aspect was when overtaking slower vehicles, because the distant car in the rear-view mirror could potentially be travelling at 150 + mph and be upon you you within seconds.
@@fontybits That's what mirrors are for. You look, you judge speeds, etc, and being prepared to give it the boot yourself to get past and get into a gap if necessary. Maybe not so easy at night but the roads are usually quieter at night.
The can't have it because it's dangerous. Germany has twice the motorway fatalities as the UK per billion vehicle-kilometres. You can be as skilled as you like, but there are others on the road who will not be expecting and can misjudge a vehicle travelling at twice the speed. When there is an accident at twice the speed, there is four times as much kinetic energy to dissipate.
If people want to play with their super high speed toys, then go take them to a track day.
That corner, where he was filmed at 128mph, is the last one before the fast bit. After that, you have about 6 miles almost dead straight. At night, the traffic is minimal- I've ridden a bicycle from Rainford to Wigan, in the early hours after a few beers, a few times, and not seen another vehicle. If you want to do 2 ton, that is the safest place to do it, in my experience.
About the ambulance part where some cars went on red.. I'm curious about this as I've been in that situation before on a narrow crossroads with traffic lights, my only option to get out the way was to go over the line and move to the left, which put me in the path of traffic that would be going across the other way, there was no traffic, but had there been I would then have been blocking the road... In the end I went through on the red as to not block the junction as the people behind me had moved forward and left to get out the way also. What should I have done?
By virtue of the fact that the police car hit the roundabout at 40 and there is no way they could have stopped on what was pretty close to being blind I think they were quite happy to offer a bit of a deal in return for a guilty plea. I'd guess this didn't go to crown court.
Crossing the lines at that roundabout at anything about 10 mph and you are committed without enough time so see approaching vehicles - at 40mph the police were over committed and had luck on their side.
Police advanced drivers are good...so they should be, trained and get to try it out on a daily basis but they can also make mistakes and also get rather too enthusiastic. i think that was the case here, the driver couldn't shed enough speed, the car he was chasing was already stopped and in his sights nothwithstanding that the driver could have run, but there was little need for them to enter the roundabout at the speed they did.
Having rewatched this again there was already another police unit at the next entry onto the roundabout. I'm not in the least defending speeding but I think that nearly went very wrong for all involved and after finding out that the driver was a reasonable guy and apologetic etc I bet they were happy to offer without due care rather than dangerous driving so that he pleaded guilty and the matter only required sentencing. Dangerous driving would have been worth not guilty and try his luck.
Sentencing, in this case as in any other, should be sufficient to give justice to any victims, protect the public and correct the offending behaviour. In this case there’s no victim (agreed more by luck than judgement, but still there’s no victim) and the sentence was sufficient for this individual to amend his driving, hence the public is protected. So, no, not too lenient. In fact as all sentences should be; as tough as necessary for the circumstances but not so tough as to either be vindictive or cause unnecessary harm.
I think if no one crossed his path when he entered the roundabout, how can it be determined whether the absence of victims is due to luck or judgement? We cannot know that the driver wouldn’t have managed to avoid another car, nor that the other car wouldn’t have braked in time, so it’s impossible to blame or not blame the driver for something that didn’t happen.
I hate to say it but his minor punishment makes me even more bitter about my 5 points and circa £1,000 fine for driving 53mph on a 40mph dual carriage way!
and? Different situation. Were you in a built up area? Were more cars on the road? What time of day was it. Excessive speeding in lower speed limit areas can be far more dangerous than speeding on a relatively empty motorway
@@RichO1701e it wasn't a built up area (no houses or businesses, not even a foot path), although more urban than his.
It was about 11.30am on a Saturday in summer. Perfect conditions. Slightly more vehicles than his but still very light traffic. There was no one at risk from my driving, certainly fewer than in this video.
@@clarkeysam If your going to speed, know when to do it. Midday on a weekend ain't it.
@@tummyrubber2k939 yeah I messed up and was punished very harshly for it. I was cut up on a roundabout prior to entering the dual carriage way, put my foot down to overtake them on the dual carriage way and that's when I got caught. It was wrong but hardly deserved the punishment I got.
@@clarkeysam it was wrong but were you wearing a shirt and suit trousers? I’m guessing not, so that will explain why you got quadruple the fine this man got in the video… because for someone odd reason your clothes define the fine amount.
Sometimes, one’s brain sends a powerful, instinctive, and almost irresistible message along the lines of “Make yourself scarce, NOW!”
Many years ago, my pet bumblebee (Bumble), being young and foolish, was doing 80ish in a 50 along a section of road which had two long, straight sections divided by a bend. Before reaching the bend, he observed another car a long way behind him. It was late at night so there was nothing else on the road.
As Bumble reached the end of the second straight section, the following car came back into view having just cleared the bend, and it was now MUCH closer. It must have done well into three figures to do that.
Bumble thought this was either Old Bill or someone pursuing him for other reasons; either way, his little insect brain was going all Def Leppard, saying “Let’s get the rock out of here”. Coming into a little village as quickly as he dared, he spotted a side road with some parked cars and decided to sit among them to blend in.
He sat there tensely for a few moments, and then realised that although he’d turned his lights off, he still had his foot on the brake. (Yes: bumblebees have feet, at least in this anecdote.) The foot came off - and, less than a second later, an unmistakable jam sandwich zoomed past behind him.
As Bumble was in a cul-de-sac, he still had to come back out so he could then take the back route home, thus going a different way to the police. He didn’t know whether, or when, they’d double back, and possibly even check out all the cars in the village to see if any were occupied or warm. He resolved that he simply had to rip off the plaster, go back out ASAP, drive down the 50m or so of the road he’d turned off, and finally get onto the relative safety of the back route. As he went past the point of no return, he was relieved to see no sign of life, and made it back home (slowly) without further incident.
Who knows if the police caught up some poor so-and-so further ahead and gave them a grilling. Who knows whether they’d have had enough continuity of evidence against Bumble had they found him on the side road. (Even in those days, I don’t think Bumble was foolish enough to give an unnecessary confession, regardless of the officer’s “technique”.)
So, the moral of this story is…er…running away sometimes works? No, that can’t be right. I know: don’t drive like that in the first place because the risk-to-reward ratio is way too high. And know that even non-traffic police can and often will take an active interest in your driving even when they’re a long way away.
Stay safe, everyone, and be lucky. Belt and braces and all that.
Massive respect for sending this in👍 you've saved lives
No point talking about the driving. There's been enough comments on that already from all mindsets.
I do think it's an interesting insight on human mentality in general.
I'm sure we have all been in that situation where they cock up and think if they see it through they might get away with it; that horrible feeling of dread, fear and panic, followed by calm and possibly indifference.
I think the vast majority of decent and honest people want to learn from their mistakes. The get caught up in a situation and lose sight of reality. In situations like this where genuine remorse is felt they should get away with the proverbial slap on the wrist.
Single mistakes should impact your life, not ruin it.
Tell you what, I do forget how truly skilled traffic rozzers are at driving. 135mph+ and braking to a stop in such a composed fashion downhill while on a bend. From what I've seen, they're all pretty humble about it too.
The audacity that some people have to think they're a better driver than these people is atrocious. I am infinity jealous of the skill and the incredible proverbials they have to step up the mark like this in a daily basis.
Ask Ashley would say, 'Top drawer'.
Nice watch Ashley, btw 😉
I was caught by 2 speed cameras going into and coming out of Southampton, 32, 34, 36, 36. And despight them all being on the same day, and having not had a speeding fine before, the magistrate took my licence away for 6 months, I lost my job, got given a bigger fine that shown here, and spent 5 years paying over £1000 for insurance. So you can understand why I don’t have much sympathy for the viewer here. It seems the law is handled differently depending on the area you live, or maybe my tie was not the right one. Having said that, I commend the viewer for letting use see this error, I also try to share my experience. You recently did a poll on how much over the speed limit you drive on a non congested road, for me, nothing, I never brake the limit now! Which means I get to see the very worse of driver behaviour. But then I’m a cyclist too, so I get to see that anyway.
Southampton is Oik heavy TBH, they probably get frustrated dealing with it all.
I have done something very similar I’m a 20 year old bricklayer who got caught speeding twice in a month due to having a rather fast hot hatch. I used to race around like a nutter. I got caught racing another car doing 70 in a 30 and then not long later I got caught doing over 100 on a dual carriageway by a camera van. I went to court and amassed 11 points on my licence for both of these offences. The court took into account my job and spared me the extra point point from totting up and to this today I can solemnly swear that I have not sped once after these incidences. I sold my stupidly fast car and bought a truck for work. Like the policeman said I’m not a racing driver and one wrong move could’ve killed someone completely innocent. And yes I am very ashamed of what I done but I have learnt from it big time.
I’ve always believed late to the party beats late of this parish and tried to not let being behind the wheel change me from being considerate like I try to be when not in the motor, but, I did think I knew all there was to know. Watching your videos has taught me so much and cleared up so many misconceptions I feel like a 17 year old again at times. Great Job Ashley.
He came without resistance when the cops got to him. Starts the process on the right foot... no wonder they were polite and friendly at the station.
I will admit I do put my foot down on the M61, but if you're coming off a motorway at 150mph then you're more than likely going to kill someone else or yourself
Yeah, I regularly travel down there at 100mph. It's nothing in a big motor, only doing 1800rpm. Solid as a rock. I go abroad for work and regularly drive at 140 plus. Our 70mph is because of shit driving by idiots that won't move out of the middle lane, or cut you up at slip road for no reason why they could have easy pulled in behind.
When it comes to drivers who put their foot down, the beaks will also put their foot down. Funny old world, inntitt?
There are people who pull into the fast lane with insufficient observation, whether though habit or a 1-off. If they are doing 70 & you're doing 90, you'll be closing in on them at 20mph. If you are doing 130, it is a closing speed of 60. That would be scary.
@@michaelbamber4887 The 70 limit is because larger vehicles cannot do more than 60 (although many are limited to 56 or even 52), so the differential between them & faster vehicles needs to be minimal, otherwise it would be too difficult to adjust your speed to the faster lane in order to pass them.
@@michaelbamber4887 Yeah its obvious in Germany its a different frame of mind and attitude.
Hi Ashley, really informative video as always. Definitely a learning point.
I have a quick question that I hope either you or one of your viewers could answer.
I live just off the M20 at J11, and recently a temporary (that is, it's on a stand weighted down with sand bags) 70mph speed limit sign has gone up on the coastbound entry slip road. Further down the motorway, just past the Channel Tunnel exit slipway, there is a National Speed limit sign.
Why are these two signs present, when the speed limit is 70mph? It just seems like unnecessary signage which may cause confusion? Any help appreciated.
I'm sure youre going to tell us all these things Ashley. I really appreciate the cautious steady way you're telling this tale too. The details of the incident are probably quite important so it's quite important again to establish all the details.
As usual this is a terrifying scenario considering what might have happened if the situation had played out in more of a pear shaped outcome.
I don’t speed anymore either after doing something similar. I don’t mind confessing that I did the same when I was late in 2003 when I first started driving and now I do the right speeds in the right places and just suffer other drivers trying to pressure me to speed up.
Very good on your viewer for sending it in . Sounds like though the court saw how contrite he was , yes the fine , points etc would make a difference but the embarrassment seems more the punishment for him . Cocky don’t give a damn attitude loses . Lesson for all , not just speeding anything , own up to your faults . 👍
Thanks for this. I used to be a bit fast on an appropriate road ( open, clear, good conditions) but I now sit bang on on the limits ( unless it’s safer to get past) and have lost count of really dangerous overtaking from people who can’t control their vehicle’s speed. I’ve ended up putting a black box on board sticker on which has helped a bit. It seems to help let some frustration out of the equation- which shows most people are considerate people if they remember there’s a fragile human being in the car in front doing something for a reason.
Missed this first time round, and wise counsel indeed. If, as you say, education has an 80% chance of improving drivers' abilities, then I'm all for it. Why jail someone when further instruction, like yours, helps keep the roads safer. I have learnt such a lot from your informative analysis. Thank you.
His insurance must be astronomical now. Yeah the y picked up the tab on the day but he'll be paying that back through a price hike. I wonder why the interviewer didn't ask why he resigned.
He was given the opportunity to resign rather than quit
@@frzen My point was that it looks suspicious to an employer if you're resigning before securing another position. It's easier to get a job if you already have one.
@@collieman not really, there's any number of reasons you can give a potential employer for why you resigned that would sound perfectly rational. You don't have to tell them the real reason
Probably not too bad, they know
he has 5 points on his licence but I doubt they would have access to the exact details, friend of mine had 6 points recently and was still able to get insured on a Mercedes at 22, I think his points have expired now
@@5uper5kill3rz they would if he was to be given access to company vehicles.
"Speeding doesn't get you anywhere any quicker." Said while approaching red lights. Completely different to going faster on an open motorway or dual carraigway, i.e. the M62 or East Lancs. If going faster got you nowehere quicker, they wouldn't have invented concord. Our arbitrary 70MPH speed limit also needs reviewing. It's massively outdated and unfit for purpose.
tbh, I think that a new higher speed limit would work just fine but maybe some way of limiting it too cars that have passed necessary tests to be driven at higher speeds. im not talking crazy high just like 80/90 at very most
@@benhutchinson3185 I don't agree. Personally, and I speak as someone who used to drive long distance on motorways for a living, 70mph is plenty fast enough. One of the issues with raising the limit for cars is the speed differential that it would create between cars and HGVs. More and more hauliers are limiting their vehicles to 50mph so you would have a potentially dangerous speed difference of 30odd mph as people would probably drive with the needle somewhere between 80 and 90.
Also worth noting, if you watch the beginning of this clip, that someone drives past the police doing 92mph and they just let them go. There's enough pragmatism in the system to ensure that nobody in a car is going to get a ticket for 80mph anyway.
There is also an environmental reason for the speed limit, safety-wise I would be more than happy increasing the speed limit if the data from other countries implied it wouldn't make things much more dangerous. However for environmental reasons I don't think the speed limit should be increased
130km/h is the standard across most of Europe. Oh, hang on, I forgot we don't like Europe, never mind.
@@raithrover1976 Makes sense, if the road conditions are great, which they were, then I know that the police dont always care. I get what u mean about the speed difference, hitting a truck with a 40mph speed difference is far worse than at 20mph more
What a great video, if we could all just think before we act, what a difference that would be! Keep safe Ashley.
Kudos to this chap for sharing his experience with us. It certainly sounded like a moment of madness which could've had disastrous consequences, but thankfully didn't. It's great that he's learned from it too. I do think he was lucky with the sentence he received though. By comparison, about 20 years ago I was clocked at 100.7mph on a motorway (in clear, dry and bright conditions). As soon as the police car appeared behind me I pulled over and accepted my fate. I pleaded guilty in court and received 6 points and £180 fine (including costs).
I was obviously relieved not to be disqualified, but I'm just amazed after watching this video that this guy received fewer points and a lesser fine than I did! I don't feel I was treated harshly, so I can only surmise that he got off lightly.
I thought it was interesting when you said the bloke said he got a bit of a "well I've started now so I'll finish". It's interesting that that notion didn't come to him for his being late. If you're already late, what's a few minutes more? Glad that he has a different outlook now and learnt from the mistake. Not everyone learns, we should encourage those that do.
Mastermind?
Mobile phone "Yeah can you tell so and so I'm running a bit late. Might have to reschedule...."
Interesting, we are all to eager to judge. Just seeing that police footage would have most people condemning the guy. But when you get the opportunity to get an insight into the story behind it, and the resultant positives since, it makes one think.
Love the relaxed presentation style, mate.
Thank you, very useful and educational. I have speeding ticked as well. After speed awareness course I'm not speeding more.
bet the brakes on that cop car were absolutely cooked coming off at that junction and then slowing down so much.
"Keep safe everyone"
"You know that's the bloke we done for speeding earlier?"
"Yes, Danny"
Thank you Ashley from Sydney, Australia... great presentation !
Can not knock him for sharing. Valuable lesson for us all.
I'll be honest and say I'd quite happily have seen a much higher fine and short ban on their licence for this. Driving at nearly twice the speed limit on a motorway because you were running late is insane and a deliberate choice. You can't do that by accident or because you switched off.
I get the point you're making about education Ashley, and kudos to the driver for their change of heart and trying to eduate others, but it's a miracle they didn't kill someone that day. It's the very definition of dangerous driving and should have been treated as such.