Hey Z I feel like there should be some sort of legal repercussions on some level I feel like it's theft of monetary value I'm not a lawyer or anything like that but I feel like it should be that way
The organization hosting tournaments with money involved should make everyone sign a type of contract subjecting them to fines if caught cheating. Only way I can see it working
@@archergaming6913 you are not wrong but cheating in a tournament is fraud and possibly conspiracy if more than one are doing it. Also each tournament should have safeguards (pc checks, rear 180 cams, ect.) in place and contracts.
If they did that, there wouldn't be a wsow. They all cheat. All of them. Just comes down to who does it "better". Anyone, especially on pc is sus as hell. Cross play is the worst thing ever
The person screaming is ironic too. Chooses a game known for cheating. Teams with person who ends up cheating. All the while you're playing video games. And the gripe is wasting time? You choose that every day moron. Go touch grass. Explore a spiritual endeavor. Get involved in your community...
THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING! My mates and I are always talking about cheaters and what to do. And I think it's a social problem. They are used to getting what they want, any way possible. So they don't feel bad about cheating bc that's how their life is going usually. I think this isn't going to change, because people won't change.
People who are born into that life just assume that everyone else is as morally compromised as they are, so when they get caught it's incomprehensible to them. Listen to how casually he talks about it. No concept of what real sacrifice or grind is like.
The fact the games can't vet them before the tourneys even start is beyond comprehension. Cheating should be a non-issue. Too many streamers cheat for bedroom fame then gets exposed at lans. Perma ban all of them and make the game fun again. At this point, it's unplayable for casuals. Sure, it's cheap/free advertising for the game companies but come on Activision/Blizz, this is out of hand, and they know it. gg
There should totally be a law that says "If you cheat in a game (video, sport, board, etc.) where the prize pool is over $X you face criminal charges up to $Y."
So many people are super naive. It is so easy to hack and get away with it today. Also, the money on the line is massive. Between streaming, YT and tournaments, many many millions are up for grabs. If hacking is going to turn a decent player into a demon--then assume 95% of all creators and Warzone pros are hacking, including Z
@@nosteponsnek2617 while i agree to an extent, i don't think the majority are cheating. maybe a few players are cheating. but i'd say that is it - most of these guys are literally grinding for HOURS daily. generally i think most of these guys are clean. but a few ruin it for the many.
@@instinct_71 your wrong, plain and simple. I've played with some good competitive players from back in the day before streaming and sponsorships got huge. Dudes straight up told me damn near all the new prof players cheat on the regular. Guys I know would tell it it straight.
Typical immature sheep mentality. "'I'm just gonna steal shit and be a deadbeat cuz everyone else is doing it", "I'm gonna behave like a moron whenever I get pulled over by the police, everyone else is doing it". Being an entitled spoiled little brat sure didn't help either.
@@darkskull8938there have been some streamers/gamers who cheated. Once they got invited to certain LAN events they couldn’t even get a few kills and couldn’t even aim and move close to what they did at home.
This is like the fishing tournament where two guys were caught stuffing the fish to make them heavier, because I think it was for 10k case prize. They were criminally charged last I heard.
I don't understand how a broken game can be considered "esports ready", especially when there's tons of money on the line. This just shows how broken the entire industry is, from the games to the orgs. that make these tournaments happen.
Agreed, I can't believe Warzone had been raking in billions for years, Fortnite has private game lobbies. and these esports still can't get it right. They don't give a fuck
Just because only 50,000 ppl watch on Twitch daily doesn't mean that's all the views WZ gets. Add YT in, kick, TikTok, Facebook, etc, then on tourney day the views nearly double, especially in big tournies. Never mind the millions of players who play the game daily. Wz is a money maker and ppl watch. This year alone WZ has two 1million dollar tourneys, there have been 50k's, 25k', 10k's, and every night someone's hosting $500- $2,000 dollar tournaments. Then add in the 1 million dollar tournies each year from 2021 to now, plus all the 1k-150k's each year from 2021 to now. WZ's not an E-sport? I'd say the WZ stats speaks for it's self.
@twassell25 ppl watch Warzone to laugh? Bro what, how's that even make sense? You might hate the game, prob cuz you suck, but that doesn't mean it is popular and a money maker. Feelings aside, you can't deny the stats, bro. You funny 😁
@@BulletProofTrump Yes, it was disagned to lose them money. Makes complete sense. Maybe just maybe, they have shit tech dudes that can't code for shit as well looking at making probablly a new line of code for each new title as well as it's different engines making them even more incompetent. You ever think about that detective ?
@@bayoubengal4906 they way he say your parents rich blah blah you wasted 2 weeks of my time. How you don’t know your teammate cheating and like I said Rob dude don’t seemed fazed or that mad look at his face expression
Ultimately it's on Call of Duty to provide a space where this isn't possible and we all know COD gives zero fucks about stopping cheaters or fixing any of the dozen critical things they need to do to.
That would be a slap on the wrist there needs to be a severe punishment for people like him there’s way to much cheating going on it’s plagued cod for way to long the integrity has been ruined for quite awhile
i could not imagine having millionaire parents and deciding your career path was going to be hacking on call of duty, genuinely regarded, endless opportunities and he chose that lol
I’d definitely be suing him. Like you said. It’s these guys careers. I just don’t know what kind of gratification anyone can get from cheating in the first place.
Their argument felt like watching a highschool play. It sounds so fake. I'm sure dude was in on it and they agreed for the one with the cheats to be the fall guy if they get caught
Gotta take tourneys back to LAN only. People use to travel across the country to play Halo, Gears, Cod etc. many years ago. I dont see why people/organizers can't go back to that to save the competitive integrity of these games.
There should be a rule that who ever play a competitive video game should sign a contract which holds them responsible/liable if they get caught cheating. Simple as that. Many teams do cheat, and this guy got caught and he should be banned from playing this or any other game competitive or for money. On top of that, there needs to be a law that protect people/viewers/companies from cheaters! That needs to be punishable by the law.
This makes me think of common fishing tournament scenarios. They have to deal with cheaters like any other sport. They have several avenues to try and keep things fair, one of which is making contestants subject to polygraph examination. There are also laws on the books in many states making it a criminal offense to cheat in a fishing tournament. Seems like esports has gotten to a point where they need to be lobbying for some sort of legislation to protect legitimate competitors from people like this. Should absolutely be punishable criminally.
The Discord call with the emotional music in the background was like that part in the film where the wife just finds out the husband has been cheating on her “How long has it been going on?”😂😂😂
depending on state, yes cheating in an organized event where money is a prize can be criminally prosecuted. there was a viral video where fisherman were caught adding weights to their catches.. the weights were found in fish stomach... those doods faced serious seizures of their properties that were used, boats n fishing gear, they had probation and had to pay a lot of restitution.. dood vexoh has this indifference attitude which is so fkn shitty. COD has to start holding cheaters in money tournaments accountable and pursue charges.
@@MrSonny208I think the weights have something to do with how much the fish weighs. I think it’s about the size and weight of fish. I could be completely wrong but I think that is how fishing tournaments work.
@@MrSonny208 fishing tournaments they weigh in your catch.. you get points for the weight of the fish.. these doods would shove lead weight into their catches stomachs to make them heavier lol.. utube search fishing cheaters.. there’s a great clip of them being caught.. end of their story was the tourney pressed charges and the judge hit them with fines, forfeit of the boat they used and they had to payback all winnings for the year lol
Love how he shows his stats and says “this shows I can play with the best” after getting caught cheating 🤣🤣🤣 people that do this 100% should be fined, and banned from the game.
Who dosent cheat now a days the game developers don’t do shit about it and it only cost 20-30 bucks . It’s not the 1st and won’t be last time someone cheats for money.
This would be a really cool case to take to a jury. Getting an expert to review gameplay in front of the jury would be super fun. And the Defendant has already basically stipulated to liability. And we know he has deep pockets. It's a case.
A massive fine or jail time. If people cheat in baseball, football, basketball or any sport for that matter, you get a fine and banned, but it's with your real name and face, so you wouldn't be able to get back in cuz everyone knows, news all over.. In a game, sure, your name and face gets out sometimes too, but it's easy to go and make other accounts or play many other games and cheat again...so punishment for cheating, should be more severe. It literally changes peoples careers or lives...LITERALLY!!!!!!
the party that has damages claim needs to pursue charges.. in this case the organization hosting WSOW... most states its illegal to cheat in an organized competition event where money is the prize.. until event host start bringing charges, this will continue
One thing I agree with the cheater saying is that he wasn't the only one doing it for this torney and im sure being within that group he'd know. A lot of these top players cheat too, then make it to the Finals on Lan and play like shit. I'm sure the same will happen this year again 🤷🏽♂️
Z and Robeezy have matching energy/passion for the game. Both focus on content creation. Would LOVE to see Z interview Rob to potentially clear his name. If it goes well the collab would be great.
Cheating is cheating, should be banned from competition for at least 6 yrs, I would even say that the person should be banned from all games competitions for that period.
As for criminal charges, just look up that fishing competition situation from a couple years ago. Dudes were stuffing weights in their fish so they would weigh more. Total weight of fish caught during the time of the competition is how the winner is decided. They pressed criminal charges against the 2 guys. They plead guilty to a couple charges, got 10 days in jail, 6 months probation, and a $2,500 fine. Cheating in a legit competition with money on the line and a cost to enter is illegal
It just shows in what kind of shitstate Call of Duty is. It’s the biggest gaming franchise in the world, they earn tens of millions per month on in game purchases, but don’t want to spend enough money to have an anticheat that actually does what it needs to do. People are massively dropping the game and people who make a living creating content are being robbed. If Ricochet isn’t coming with huge updates and improvement before Black Ops comes out, I’ll give them the big fat middle finger and they won’t be taking any of my money.
one way to stop it would be PC checks before and after for everybody and also using cameras that some officials of some kind can watch. for something so big it seems kind of ragtagg
this is not just a video game anymore this can provide a life changing opportunity they should put some of that million dollars in to the anti cheat instead of pocketing the money
Would think tackling the cheating for EVERYONE who plays is just as important as for those who chose to make a career outta it. It always amazed me the activision never done anything legal about cheats considering they dont need to pay for products they're selling. Its literally stealing but hey I'm sure they have their reasons 👀
i think the devs/Event Manager should Check every Player before they are able to Play in such a qualifiier Match. or maybe Check them after they qualified and let the next Team through or so. If they are Not able to get cheating Out of the Game they should try to so Something Else to avoid such a Situation
unfortunately playing warzone/ressurgence when you get home to enjoy and have fun is not an option anymore, the 3rd party programs with bots are completely out of proportion these days, sometimes is really hard to make whos cheating, but one give away are the low rank players moving like gods and not missing a single shot, then again you have the maxxed out players trying to lvl with those cheaters to make the game more competitive and trying to stay alive and getting a chance to win a game... very sad
I think there should be something done, legally. Probably just have to go through a lawsuit in civil court, because tbh I don't think court systems would take anything about video games seriously. I do think any criminal charges would be too far, though. It's shitty, but I don't think it's even misdemeanor worthy.
So a buddy of mine gets shadow banned a few hours after playing Mutations Resurgence Quads mode because people thought he was cheating because they added the Mutant Vision power upgrade in-game that gives the power to see through walls. My buddy played the mode as its intended and got banned but Activision doesn’t ban cheaters during a live tournament. Something’s up.
The way this becomes punishable to a degree is by signing contracts as teams or teammates. Relationships for cheating is monetary compensation and or some kind of repercussion involving public apologies and being sued for brand damage and or compensation according to a level of what the tournament pay out was for winning and or placing high enough to receive payment. Those is loose but the point is there. This contact status in place for when after someone finishes out and they don't know about the cheating for up to a year later. Or even longer. Or the tournaments have rules where the entrants sign contracts that they will be held accountable if cought cheating. Being sued and dispersing the money to those who were effected by the teams who were beat by the cheaters.
Here's the thing: it affected other peoples' legitimate livelihood. If a person makes a living off of competition, then that living becomes jeopardized by someone behaving illegitimately in the competition, then that person needs to be justly, and fairly, compensated. Cheating is bullshit.
I know its technically not the same but i saw these guys in a fishing tournament get caught cheating by putting weights in fish. They lost their fishing license, had to pay like $100000 in fines, give back a boat they were given by a sponsor, went to jail for 10 days, and were banned from every fishing event for life. They should do the same kinda thing in this situation.
Start making ALL games from the start on LAN. Maybe then it won’t happen. All professional teams travel. All these tournament games need to do the same thing.
It should be a felony to develop or use hacks for any video game because they are making people not buy or quit the game and makes the publisher and development teams lose money from sales and store purchases. There is so much money lost that hacking software companies are responsible for. There needs to be a massive lawsuit. This shit needs to change NOW!
A genuine response. I hope the guy who didn't cheat keeps his morals. Everyone cheats now it has made games so lame. The companies selling cheats and cronus hardware need to be fined or shutdown. They started this
It's strange people are surprised. It's like the guy said, if you think he's the only team out there cheating you're wrong. Just like Z said about professional sports. There's just as many cheaters there as well.
Yikes. Total agreement with you Z. They should hold a complete REDO due to the situation. I don't doubt more $1m tourneys will be popping up, with more opportunities for all, however, when cheating keeps getting in the way, it hurts everyone in the end. So far, I don't think there are laws in place for E-Sports that are comparable to major leagues like NBA, NHL, and NFL (respectively) in regard to cheating, but I have a feeling, since this alone has made such an impact to the WARZONE community, let alone the competitive gaming community as a whole, those rules are going to be implemented real soon!
I think you explained that very well in the beginning Z. Esports is someones full time life/job/dedication and income. The cheating shouldnt be disregarded as "ey not fair but its a game bro"
The organizers should have their attorney draft a contract that prohibits cheating, clearly defines what that entails, and then enumerates repercussions. Those could be fines, immediate disqualification, bans, etc. Each player should be required to sign the contract prior to participation in the tournament.
Who am I to judge another human for their actions? If I went through their upbringing and had their environment, I would probably do the same thing. That being said, there has to be consequences for actions. They do not have to be stemmed in hatred or malice, it is simply a matter of fact. if you do A expect B to happen. This player cannot be trusted to ever compete again, and all earnings and prize money should be returned. Simple cause and affect. It’s OK to have boundaries while also having empathy and understanding.
You can't make "stealing opportunity" illegal or we'd all be in big trouble. Like any sport, you cheat, you get caught, you are either fined or expelled and he was. In the future. Know your teammates. You take the risk when you don't.
If it's like every other sport then treat cheaters like every other sport. Ban them from entering competitions for any period of time depending on the severity. Treat hacks like PEDs in every other major sport.
It's actually not difficult to fix, when doing these qualifiers they can put couple of people working couple of days on getting every real name registered with all their real life info, couple of docs signed saying if you cheat this and that will happen to you. From there all of these people with mental illness on their small bedroom wont even bother, is just too much for them. COD is doing a better job on the pub lobbies with the cheaters problem but on these tourneys this cant happen.
Ask those competivie fishermen how they felt when they found the 2 guys cheating throughout tournaments. Alot of money and prizes were on the line. They faced criminal charges. You can most certainly face criminal charges for something like fraud.
Cheaters suck. What's crazy is the amount of money you can win. Now, I would not compare video games to baseball or football. But if you have a chance to win that amount of money, and they are crazy enough to offer that prize and the cheater robbed legit players, ya, that sucks.
the two guys that cheated in the pro fishing tournament, lost thier $100,000 boat and where found gualt and the charge was a felony. They are spending 10 days on jail and will be on probation for like 2 years.
Either a perma-ban from ESports, or if not that. A 4 year ban, then after the ban is up, they have to play with verified computers set up by the tournament hosts/allow hosts remote access to their computers to monitor if they have cheating software.
There's life long criminals walking around, murderers walking the streets, people selling drugs to kids, and these clowns think law enforcement should tie up resources and pursue some losers cheating in a video game? Now I really know streamers have no grip on reality
So, the way I see it. When someone defraudes a business or person they can and should be held liable. This guy should be charged, booked and released with a court date. Its one thing to cheat and play for fun but when you are in a competition setting with prizes it is an entirely different animal.
Just like sports its time for a referee. Mabey 3rd party real time software on gaming device. There has to be a way to stop these POS from ruining other peoples chances.
The fact that there are no real consequences for cheating is ridiculous. Like yeah they get banned from the game and future tournaments but that’s not enough.
Because so much money was on the line I feel like this would absolutely (and should) warrant some type of charges. Defrauding others out of the chance at winning that money is the definition of a crime in my opinion.
z you are an absolute legend( nothing to do wwith the topic of the video) fav streamer right now a shinning personality with an even more shinning skillset. absolute fucking legend.
When entering this tournament in the future, there should be an online waiver esigned where if u are caught cheating you can be held legally liable in whatever way they state. Guy should definitely be sued by the guys he cost.
That is ALWAYS cheaters justification. It starts with the mentality that everyone “better” than you is hacking anyway. It’s easier to think that way than it is to get better at the game. My cousin had that same mentality and last I heard got ricocheted for EO. He was actually trash but thought EVERYONE including me was hacking 🤣(I play on PS5 and usually get to diamond 3 or crim 1 in ranked but nowhere near the best) anytime someone did something above his skill level he would immediately resort to hackusations. Part of the reason why channels like BBB and COS are so dangerous because they perpetuate and give credence to this same mentality and remove any motivation to actually improve.
I think there's a lot more streamers cheating than anybody really wants to admit. Not full on rage cheating of course but enhanced aim assist, footstep deafeners & enhancements, radar hacks absolutely
Most of us aren't pros and don't stream, yet cheaters ruin the game for us also. All of us purchased the game expecting a fair and enjoyable experience, but I can't tell you how many times I've decided to play something else because of them. This surely affects future sales and profits for the franchise so yes, I believe there should be legal ramifications even without high dollar tournaments being affected.
I’d send this guy a letter of intent and sue him for damages he should be banned immediately from all tournaments going forward these players who do this need to be heavily punished cod is plagued by cheaters it’s going to be the down fall of cod at some point
I feel like there should be some major repercussions for this. Fraud and defamation especially. I can see how dozens of people should be able to sue him and it should be held in criminal court as well for fraud. He defrauded the franchise and took other people's chances away from qualifying. Sounds like a felony to me.
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Hey Z I feel like there should be some sort of legal repercussions on some level I feel like it's theft of monetary value I'm not a lawyer or anything like that but I feel like it should be that way
Subbed... man got done dirty!
He should at least be sued but I think the punishment should go further than that.
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@@VorresI did as well
The organization hosting tournaments with money involved should make everyone sign a type of contract subjecting them to fines if caught cheating. Only way I can see it working
cant..... only suspension and sht BUT NO CRIMINAL case... sadly
Professional athletes get fined all the time
@@archergaming6913 you are not wrong but cheating in a tournament is fraud and possibly conspiracy if more than one are doing it. Also each tournament should have safeguards (pc checks, rear 180 cams, ect.) in place and contracts.
@@onYaFace2023 they definitely could if it was in the contract.
If they did that, there wouldn't be a wsow. They all cheat. All of them. Just comes down to who does it "better". Anyone, especially on pc is sus as hell. Cross play is the worst thing ever
Little child who always gets what he wants and tries to justify everything
when you are given everything you do not understand the work behind it.
@@caseysmith3012exactly
Bruh just tryin' make a clip by defrauding the World Series of (insert sport/esport), what could go wrong?
The person screaming is ironic too. Chooses a game known for cheating. Teams with person who ends up cheating. All the while you're playing video games. And the gripe is wasting time? You choose that every day moron. Go touch grass. Explore a spiritual endeavor. Get involved in your community...
THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING! My mates and I are always talking about cheaters and what to do. And I think it's a social problem. They are used to getting what they want, any way possible. So they don't feel bad about cheating bc that's how their life is going usually. I think this isn't going to change, because people won't change.
People who are born into that life just assume that everyone else is as morally compromised as they are, so when they get caught it's incomprehensible to them. Listen to how casually he talks about it. No concept of what real sacrifice or grind is like.
The fact the games can't vet them before the tourneys even start is beyond comprehension. Cheating should be a non-issue. Too many streamers cheat for bedroom fame then gets exposed at lans. Perma ban all of them and make the game fun again. At this point, it's unplayable for casuals. Sure, it's cheap/free advertising for the game companies but come on Activision/Blizz, this is out of hand, and they know it. gg
There should 100% be a lawsuit here. That's insane.
there should be criminal charges
@@mustang43058 I would like to hear from a lawyer what the law actually says about stuff like this, if there's even a precedent. Probably not, right?
There should totally be a law that says "If you cheat in a game (video, sport, board, etc.) where the prize pool is over $X you face criminal charges up to $Y."
"if you think we're the only team doing that...."
that's the troubling part
Maybe, but also uts a crappy justification... You don't cheat just because everyone else is, you grind and you wait for their shit to get exposed...
So many people are super naive. It is so easy to hack and get away with it today. Also, the money on the line is massive. Between streaming, YT and tournaments, many many millions are up for grabs. If hacking is going to turn a decent player into a demon--then assume 95% of all creators and Warzone pros are hacking, including Z
@@nosteponsnek2617 while i agree to an extent, i don't think the majority are cheating. maybe a few players are cheating. but i'd say that is it - most of these guys are literally grinding for HOURS daily. generally i think most of these guys are clean. but a few ruin it for the many.
@@instinct_71 your wrong, plain and simple. I've played with some good competitive players from back in the day before streaming and sponsorships got huge. Dudes straight up told me damn near all the new prof players cheat on the regular. Guys I know would tell it it straight.
Typical immature sheep mentality. "'I'm just gonna steal shit and be a deadbeat cuz everyone else is doing it", "I'm gonna behave like a moron whenever I get pulled over by the police, everyone else is doing it". Being an entitled spoiled little brat sure didn't help either.
Every stage should be held on LAN. Can't rely on Ricochet to uphold the integrity of the competition
True words.
Wait till you find out cheating at LAN is also possible
Not only that but with this much money on the line everyone needs the same playing field. Differing pings do not allow that.
@@Profanity1strap the tinfoil hat on any tighter and your brain will explode.
It cost too much organize that, travel money, rents, etc
Thank You Bro. I appreciate you helping me clear my name.
Anyone with any sense doesn't suspect you. I don't watch your content, but I've heard nothing but good things about you. I'm sorry this happened.
You good homie, some people suck
This needs to be investigated more. There needs to be legal consequences behind this just like in professional sports.
Theres more cheaters....
That's what I'm saying. This should be a felony fraud charge for the amount of money involved
@@andrewboyce7268lol 😂
acti-blizz needs heat for the dog shit anti cheat as well as anyone who has a friend that cheats needs talked to....
point fingers at activision for ALLOWING it.
"You gonna go to LAN to drop 3 like wag?" LOL
Quote of the day right there 🤣
What does that mean
@@darkskull8938 Wagnificent was cheating... when he got to WSOW on LAN dropped 3 kills only without the cheats...
@@darkskull8938there have been some streamers/gamers who cheated. Once they got invited to certain LAN events they couldn’t even get a few kills and couldn’t even aim and move close to what they did at home.
😂😂😂😂
When money is involved it is a crime and should be look what happend to the fishing tourney guys.
This is like the fishing tournament where two guys were caught stuffing the fish to make them heavier, because I think it was for 10k case prize. They were criminally charged last I heard.
@@unlimited423 they were!! And for 1 million dollars my goodness!!😮
I don't understand how a broken game can be considered "esports ready", especially when there's tons of money on the line. This just shows how broken the entire industry is, from the games to the orgs. that make these tournaments happen.
Agreed, I can't believe Warzone had been raking in billions for years, Fortnite has private game lobbies. and these esports still can't get it right. They don't give a fuck
Warzone will never be an ESPORT with AA like it is, games a joke.
No ones interested in watching a bunch of pro bowlers using bumpers LOL
Just because only 50,000 ppl watch on Twitch daily doesn't mean that's all the views WZ gets. Add YT in, kick, TikTok, Facebook, etc, then on tourney day the views nearly double, especially in big tournies. Never mind the millions of players who play the game daily. Wz is a money maker and ppl watch. This year alone WZ has two 1million dollar tourneys, there have been 50k's, 25k', 10k's, and every night someone's hosting $500- $2,000 dollar tournaments. Then add in the 1 million dollar tournies each year from 2021 to now, plus all the 1k-150k's each year from 2021 to now. WZ's not an E-sport? I'd say the WZ stats speaks for it's self.
@@mookw4121 still trash game and content. People watch it to laugh
@twassell25 ppl watch Warzone to laugh? Bro what, how's that even make sense? You might hate the game, prob cuz you suck, but that doesn't mean it is popular and a money maker. Feelings aside, you can't deny the stats, bro. You funny 😁
That’s the fault of Activision really for having terrible anti-cheats
It was designed that way on purpose....
@@BulletProofTrump Yes, it was disagned to lose them money. Makes complete sense. Maybe just maybe, they have shit tech dudes that can't code for shit as well looking at making probablly a new line of code for each new title as well as it's different engines making them even more incompetent. You ever think about that detective ?
@@VladTheRose learn how to spell dumazz
they all in on it haha. the response rob gave acting shocked hahaha haha shit seemed scripted. he aint mad just upset they got caught
I said the same thing. They got caught but the guy took the lick, because he dosnt need the money
@@bayoubengal4906 they way he say your parents rich blah blah you wasted 2 weeks of my time. How you don’t know your teammate cheating and like I said Rob dude don’t seemed fazed or that mad look at his face expression
There needs to be some kind of repercussion for their actions. Maybe not jail time but maybe a hefty fine.
Ultimately it's on Call of Duty to provide a space where this isn't possible and we all know COD gives zero fucks about stopping cheaters or fixing any of the dozen critical things they need to do to.
That would be a slap on the wrist there needs to be a severe punishment for people like him there’s way to much cheating going on it’s plagued cod for way to long the integrity has been ruined for quite awhile
i could not imagine having millionaire parents and deciding your career path was going to be hacking on call of duty, genuinely regarded, endless opportunities and he chose that lol
he learned that behavior from his parents who set the example
Definitely sue this kid into oblivion. But also, this is on COD for not catching this BS.
These kinds of things shouldn't be so prevalent in games.
These kids are probably broke.. they have to go after their cheat provider. This is so sad
Sad day for gaming. At home open qualifiers are chalked. No chance for small time streamers to make it because of a couple little rats
I also blamed the owners of Activision for not blocking the loophole to cheat!
I’d definitely be suing him. Like you said. It’s these guys careers. I just don’t know what kind of gratification anyone can get from cheating in the first place.
Its mind-blowing. Like they show up to LAN.... and what. Man, I hate morons like that.
Their argument felt like watching a highschool play. It sounds so fake. I'm sure dude was in on it and they agreed for the one with the cheats to be the fall guy if they get caught
Gotta take tourneys back to LAN only. People use to travel across the country to play Halo, Gears, Cod etc. many years ago. I dont see why people/organizers can't go back to that to save the competitive integrity of these games.
Fraud is fraud no matter how you cut the cake.
There should be a rule that who ever play a competitive video game should sign a contract which holds them responsible/liable if they get caught cheating. Simple as that. Many teams do cheat, and this guy got caught and he should be banned from playing this or any other game competitive or for money. On top of that, there needs to be a law that protect people/viewers/companies from cheaters! That needs to be punishable by the law.
This makes me think of common fishing tournament scenarios. They have to deal with cheaters like any other sport. They have several avenues to try and keep things fair, one of which is making contestants subject to polygraph examination.
There are also laws on the books in many states making it a criminal offense to cheat in a fishing tournament. Seems like esports has gotten to a point where they need to be lobbying for some sort of legislation to protect legitimate competitors from people like this. Should absolutely be punishable criminally.
The Discord call with the emotional music in the background was like that part in the film where the wife just finds out the husband has been cheating on her “How long has it been going on?”😂😂😂
depending on state, yes cheating in an organized event where money is a prize can be criminally prosecuted. there was a viral video where fisherman were caught adding weights to their catches.. the weights were found in fish stomach... those doods faced serious seizures of their properties that were used, boats n fishing gear, they had probation and had to pay a lot of restitution.. dood vexoh has this indifference attitude which is so fkn shitty. COD has to start holding cheaters in money tournaments accountable and pursue charges.
never heard of that haha, so adding weight makes it easier to catch the fish¡? or what is the skill that is being overthrown by the weights
@@MrSonny208I think the weights have something to do with how much the fish weighs. I think it’s about the size and weight of fish. I could be completely wrong but I think that is how fishing tournaments work.
@@MrSonny208 fishing tournaments they weigh in your catch.. you get points for the weight of the fish.. these doods would shove lead weight into their catches stomachs to make them heavier lol.. utube search fishing cheaters.. there’s a great clip of them being caught.. end of their story was the tourney pressed charges and the judge hit them with fines, forfeit of the boat they used and they had to payback all winnings for the year lol
Love how he shows his stats and says “this shows I can play with the best” after getting caught cheating 🤣🤣🤣 people that do this 100% should be fined, and banned from the game.
The irony of Aydan complaining about cheating while he runs COD in a VM is hilarious.
Who dosent cheat now a days the game developers don’t do shit about it and it only cost 20-30 bucks . It’s not the 1st and won’t be last time someone cheats for money.
“Bro….bro….bro….bro….bro” gen z 😂😂
This would be a really cool case to take to a jury. Getting an expert to review gameplay in front of the jury would be super fun. And the Defendant has already basically stipulated to liability. And we know he has deep pockets. It's a case.
Could you imagine 80 year old grandma Wilson sitting in the jury studying gameplay 😂 it would have to be a jury of vetted cod players
A massive fine or jail time. If people cheat in baseball, football, basketball or any sport for that matter, you get a fine and banned, but it's with your real name and face, so you wouldn't be able to get back in cuz everyone knows, news all over.. In a game, sure, your name and face gets out sometimes too, but it's easy to go and make other accounts or play many other games and cheat again...so punishment for cheating, should be more severe. It literally changes peoples careers or lives...LITERALLY!!!!!!
The whole thing is chalked . Competitions in cod need to be regulated by a 3rd party disciplinary. MOM AND DAD DO NOT CARE IF THE KIDS ACT UP !
the party that has damages claim needs to pursue charges.. in this case the organization hosting WSOW... most states its illegal to cheat in an organized competition event where money is the prize.. until event host start bringing charges, this will continue
this^ and criminal charges need to be brought against the people cheating in money tournaments
One thing I agree with the cheater saying is that he wasn't the only one doing it for this torney and im sure being within that group he'd know. A lot of these top players cheat too, then make it to the Finals on Lan and play like shit. I'm sure the same will happen this year again 🤷🏽♂️
Z and Robeezy have matching energy/passion for the game. Both focus on content creation. Would LOVE to see Z interview Rob to potentially clear his name. If it goes well the collab would be great.
Cheating is cheating, should be banned from competition for at least 6 yrs, I would even say that the person should be banned from all games competitions for that period.
No they need to banned from competition for life. Period.
As for criminal charges, just look up that fishing competition situation from a couple years ago. Dudes were stuffing weights in their fish so they would weigh more. Total weight of fish caught during the time of the competition is how the winner is decided. They pressed criminal charges against the 2 guys. They plead guilty to a couple charges, got 10 days in jail, 6 months probation, and a $2,500 fine. Cheating in a legit competition with money on the line and a cost to enter is illegal
I kinda respect him for being straight forward about it. Makes you wonder how many others who deny it are actually doing it.
It just shows in what kind of shitstate Call of Duty is. It’s the biggest gaming franchise in the world, they earn tens of millions per month on in game purchases, but don’t want to spend enough money to have an anticheat that actually does what it needs to do. People are massively dropping the game and people who make a living creating content are being robbed. If Ricochet isn’t coming with huge updates and improvement before Black Ops comes out, I’ll give them the big fat middle finger and they won’t be taking any of my money.
one way to stop it would be PC checks before and after for everybody and also using cameras that some officials of some kind can watch. for something so big it seems kind of ragtagg
this is not just a video game anymore this can provide a life changing opportunity they should put some of that million dollars in to the anti cheat instead of pocketing the money
You should run some games with that rob
They both have similar energy would be a solid collab imo
Would think tackling the cheating for EVERYONE who plays is just as important as for those who chose to make a career outta it.
It always amazed me the activision never done anything legal about cheats considering they dont need to pay for products they're selling. Its literally stealing but hey I'm sure they have their reasons 👀
i think the devs/Event Manager should Check every Player before they are able to Play in such a qualifiier Match.
or maybe Check them after they qualified and let the next Team through or so. If they are Not able to get cheating Out of the Game they should try to so Something Else to avoid such a Situation
I think it should be A felony or anyone caught cheating in any game thats for money at any time you should face jail because it’ stealing
unfortunately playing warzone/ressurgence when you get home to enjoy and have fun is not an option anymore, the 3rd party programs with bots are completely out of proportion these days, sometimes is really hard to make whos cheating, but one give away are the low rank players moving like gods and not missing a single shot, then again you have the maxxed out players trying to lvl with those cheaters to make the game more competitive and trying to stay alive and getting a chance to win a game... very sad
I think there should be something done, legally. Probably just have to go through a lawsuit in civil court, because tbh I don't think court systems would take anything about video games seriously. I do think any criminal charges would be too far, though. It's shitty, but I don't think it's even misdemeanor worthy.
Genuinely curious on the legal side of this. It is fraud for financial gain through notoriety at least. It's an interesting new legal frontier.
When “yacked” takes on a Whole NEW meaning 😂😂
So a buddy of mine gets shadow banned a few hours after playing Mutations Resurgence Quads mode because people thought he was cheating because they added the Mutant Vision power upgrade in-game that gives the power to see through walls. My buddy played the mode as its intended and got banned but Activision doesn’t ban cheaters during a live tournament. Something’s up.
I genuinely feel bad for Robbeezzyy (spelling?). It’s tough to be in his situation and it’s not like he knew his partner was cheating.
The way this becomes punishable to a degree is by signing contracts as teams or teammates. Relationships for cheating is monetary compensation and or some kind of repercussion involving public apologies and being sued for brand damage and or compensation according to a level of what the tournament pay out was for winning and or placing high enough to receive payment. Those is loose but the point is there. This contact status in place for when after someone finishes out and they don't know about the cheating for up to a year later. Or even longer. Or the tournaments have rules where the entrants sign contracts that they will be held accountable if cought cheating. Being sued and dispersing the money to those who were effected by the teams who were beat by the cheaters.
Here's the thing: it affected other peoples' legitimate livelihood. If a person makes a living off of competition, then that living becomes jeopardized by someone behaving illegitimately in the competition, then that person needs to be justly, and fairly, compensated. Cheating is bullshit.
“What did you think? You were gonna head to LAN and drop 3 like Wag.” Shit had my dying😂
"I'm sorry" while doing his absolute best to not sound sorry at all... Dude obviously, totally utterly does-not-care!
I know its technically not the same but i saw these guys in a fishing tournament get caught cheating by putting weights in fish. They lost their fishing license, had to pay like $100000 in fines, give back a boat they were given by a sponsor, went to jail for 10 days, and were banned from every fishing event for life. They should do the same kinda thing in this situation.
The subtle Wag shade. 😂
Start making ALL games from the start on LAN. Maybe then it won’t happen. All professional teams travel. All these tournament games need to do the same thing.
That would tank pro scene even more, there is no budget for that.
It should be a felony to develop or use hacks for any video game because they are making people not buy or quit the game and makes the publisher and development teams lose money from sales and store purchases. There is so much money lost that hacking software companies are responsible for. There needs to be a massive lawsuit. This shit needs to change NOW!
BLAME THE DEVELOPERS FOR BEING LAZY AND MONEY HUNGRY FOR EVEN ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN!
A genuine response. I hope the guy who didn't cheat keeps his morals. Everyone cheats now it has made games so lame. The companies selling cheats and cronus hardware need to be fined or shutdown. They started this
It’s wrong but he is right when he says he’s not the only one and you’re pretty oblivious if you think so
Hes not the only one bro comon 😅 that game is officially destructed..
"We shouldn't have gotten caught".
Bruhh. 💀💀💀
Bro says “we” no “you”. Dude literally ratted himself out on twitter. His parents are rich but he will struggle in life.
It's strange people are surprised. It's like the guy said, if you think he's the only team out there cheating you're wrong. Just like Z said about professional sports. There's just as many cheaters there as well.
Yikes. Total agreement with you Z. They should hold a complete REDO due to the situation. I don't doubt more $1m tourneys will be popping up, with more opportunities for all, however, when cheating keeps getting in the way, it hurts everyone in the end. So far, I don't think there are laws in place for E-Sports that are comparable to major leagues like NBA, NHL, and NFL (respectively) in regard to cheating, but I have a feeling, since this alone has made such an impact to the WARZONE community, let alone the competitive gaming community as a whole, those rules are going to be implemented real soon!
In most pro sports a huge fine is given to cheaters. Large fines would help disincentivize warzone cheaters
I think you explained that very well in the beginning Z. Esports is someones full time life/job/dedication and income. The cheating shouldnt be disregarded as "ey not fair but its a game bro"
The organizers should have their attorney draft a contract that prohibits cheating, clearly defines what that entails, and then enumerates repercussions. Those could be fines, immediate disqualification, bans, etc. Each player should be required to sign the contract prior to participation in the tournament.
Who am I to judge another human for their actions? If I went through their upbringing and had their environment, I would probably do the same thing.
That being said, there has to be consequences for actions. They do not have to be stemmed in hatred or malice, it is simply a matter of fact. if you do A expect B to happen.
This player cannot be trusted to ever compete again, and all earnings and prize money should be returned. Simple cause and affect.
It’s OK to have boundaries while also having empathy and understanding.
What did Activision do about it?
nothing like usual
You can't make "stealing opportunity" illegal or we'd all be in big trouble. Like any sport, you cheat, you get caught, you are either fined or expelled and he was. In the future. Know your teammates. You take the risk when you don't.
Except this is fraud. Which is absolutely illegal.
A cheater? Doubt it was just one team tbh
Bruh, how is he his teammate and doesn’t know he’s cheating ? I think it’s an act.
If it's like every other sport then treat cheaters like every other sport. Ban them from entering competitions for any period of time depending on the severity. Treat hacks like PEDs in every other major sport.
It's actually not difficult to fix, when doing these qualifiers they can put couple of people working couple of days on getting every real name registered with all their real life info, couple of docs signed saying if you cheat this and that will happen to you. From there all of these people with mental illness on their small bedroom wont even bother, is just too much for them.
COD is doing a better job on the pub lobbies with the cheaters problem but on these tourneys this cant happen.
Ask those competivie fishermen how they felt when they found the 2 guys cheating throughout tournaments. Alot of money and prizes were on the line. They faced criminal charges. You can most certainly face criminal charges for something like fraud.
Cheaters suck. What's crazy is the amount of money you can win. Now, I would not compare video games to baseball or football. But if you have a chance to win that amount of money, and they are crazy enough to offer that prize and the cheater robbed legit players, ya, that sucks.
Call of shame is going to have a field day with this
Of course they should be fined heavily and the other players should be compensated
They just need to run it back and do the last qualifier again
the two guys that cheated in the pro fishing tournament, lost thier $100,000 boat and where found gualt and the charge was a felony. They are spending 10 days on jail and will be on probation for like 2 years.
Either a perma-ban from ESports, or if not that. A 4 year ban, then after the ban is up, they have to play with verified computers set up by the tournament hosts/allow hosts remote access to their computers to monitor if they have cheating software.
There's life long criminals walking around, murderers walking the streets, people selling drugs to kids, and these clowns think law enforcement should tie up resources and pursue some losers cheating in a video game? Now I really know streamers have no grip on reality
So, the way I see it. When someone defraudes a business or person they can and should be held liable. This guy should be charged, booked and released with a court date. Its one thing to cheat and play for fun but when you are in a competition setting with prizes it is an entirely different animal.
%100 agree with u Z. Its not only cheating and get caught. It affecting someone elses career
Just like sports its time for a referee. Mabey 3rd party real time software on gaming device. There has to be a way to stop these POS from ruining other peoples chances.
The fact that there are no real consequences for cheating is ridiculous. Like yeah they get banned from the game and future tournaments but that’s not enough.
"It's just a game"
There's literal money involved this is beyond just being a game at this point.
Because so much money was on the line I feel like this would absolutely (and should) warrant some type of charges. Defrauding others out of the chance at winning that money is the definition of a crime in my opinion.
z you are an absolute legend( nothing to do wwith the topic of the video) fav streamer right now a shinning personality with an even more shinning skillset. absolute fucking legend.
When entering this tournament in the future, there should be an online waiver esigned where if u are caught cheating you can be held legally liable in whatever way they state. Guy should definitely be sued by the guys he cost.
“If you think we’re the only team doing it.” THAT’S A HORRIBLE EXCUSE! JUST BECAUSE OTHERS DO IT, DOESN’T MEAN YOU CAN, TOO!
That is ALWAYS cheaters justification. It starts with the mentality that everyone “better” than you is hacking anyway. It’s easier to think that way than it is to get better at the game. My cousin had that same mentality and last I heard got ricocheted for EO. He was actually trash but thought EVERYONE including me was hacking 🤣(I play on PS5 and usually get to diamond 3 or crim 1 in ranked but nowhere near the best) anytime someone did something above his skill level he would immediately resort to hackusations. Part of the reason why channels like BBB and COS are so dangerous because they perpetuate and give credence to this same mentality and remove any motivation to actually improve.
Aint no different than those idiots cheating in that fishing tournament a while back. This is how some people feed thier families
I think there's a lot more streamers cheating than anybody really wants to admit. Not full on rage cheating of course but enhanced aim assist, footstep deafeners & enhancements, radar hacks absolutely
Most of us aren't pros and don't stream, yet cheaters ruin the game for us also. All of us purchased the game expecting a fair and enjoyable experience, but I can't tell you how many times I've decided to play something else because of them. This surely affects future sales and profits for the franchise so yes, I believe there should be legal ramifications even without high dollar tournaments being affected.
Iuno. I lowkey think rob knew. And since they got caught hes tryna save his ass.
I’d send this guy a letter of intent and sue him for damages he should be banned immediately from all tournaments going forward these players who do this need to be heavily punished cod is plagued by cheaters it’s going to be the down fall of cod at some point
I feel like there should be some major repercussions for this. Fraud and defamation especially. I can see how dozens of people should be able to sue him and it should be held in criminal court as well for fraud. He defrauded the franchise and took other people's chances away from qualifying. Sounds like a felony to me.