That and when I can demo it for more than 15 minutes at a time, to make sure it's actually something I will use, and there aren't bugs that I can live with. As a first product trying to get market traction, this is a questionable business model.
@@hostnik777 couldn’t you just use presets and flatten the audio before the 15 mins lol? Forever demo. I do that w peel and st4b and it works in ableton to just flatten the audio before the 15 mins.
Having a distortion and a filter on every operator is really cool for sound design. Putting those on an FM modulation signal can get you really cool effects. Korg kind of went in that direction went in that direction with the opsix, or you can build out into something modular like Phase Plant or Bitwig's Grid. The problem is that you have to help the user control all that complexity. If I have to program the envelopes for every operator separately, with no easy way to adjust the decay length on all of them at the same time, for example, then it's barely any different from programming a DX7.
This looks super rad and I *want* to buy it, but absolutely not at this price, not from an unproven singular dev that I know nothing about, and not with a demo that only works for 15 minutes. I hope it succeeds, but I think the dev needs to seriously reevaluate his position in the market and adjust his business strategy to that. As an engineer myself, I want him to get paid for his work. As a former sales executive, I think he's putting himself in a hard position to get lift off with this pricing and demo model.
@@cellardoreproductions - Just because YOU trust them doesn't mean everyone else automatically should. Why do they not list any business contact information on their website? Why do they force you to share your email before they show you anything about how your financial transactions might be secured? Sorry, but those are not the actions of a startup that wants to inspire trust. I'm not saying they are necessarily shady either, just that between how little information about themselves they are sharing and how much they are demaning from prospective customers, none of that inspires confidence.
So I tried out the demo. It only gives you 15 mins which is insane. I barely was able to explore the whole thing. I couldn't even tell if it would work out for me. 15 mins are they fuken serious? I'm not going to buy something I'm not sure of at $200. Imagine if when buying a car you were only allowed to drive it in the parking lot how could you know if it's the right car for you without really getting to test drive it? That's what they basically did here. Honestly I wasn't all that impressed with the sound quality from what I heard but how would I know? I only got to test drive it in the dealerships parking lot.
@@cellardoreproductions - Arturia is a well-known company with a 20+ year track record of supporting their products. They have built trust to offer short demos. They also are not dependent on ONE person. Let's say we all plop down $200 for this, a bunch of bugs appear and the dev "gets busy with his day job". No thanks.
@@Comonad exactly. The more that @cellardoreproductions refuses to even acknowledge that these might be legitimate concerns, the more I'm suspicious of them too.
Hadn't heard of this one yet! Nice vid and a very capable demonstration. I'm curious if you've heard of or looked into Surge XT yet. The reason I ask is because it also has FM and wavetable (and almost everything else you can imagine.) Free, open source, very well documented, active and responsive dev community, massive embedded bank of open source effects like airwindows and the like. Has the same UI approach you were getting at with everything being laid out and visible at all times. A key difference being there is no animation of LFO's and connections and such, which keeps the CPU wayyy down. Vital and pigments definitely suffer from the same problem as well. I would really love to see what you come up with because the one thing it definitely needs is good preset designers to properly show off what it can do.
Per oscillator distortion and FX, you can add multiple instances of the master FX, and ut looks like you can set the crossovers on the multiband compressor? Damn, this is pretty slick. Does it have more LFOs that pop up once you use yhe first 3, like Serum, or is it just the 3?
I would've liked to hear the sound of the filter(s) on this. Just a simple saw wave with high resonance and a plucky envelope. Surprisingly few digital filters can do resonance well, even in 2024.
Take my money... not. I already have VPS Avenger 2, Vital, and Serum, as well as Phase Plant, Pigments, and many others that I can't remember off the top of my head right now. I do not see any value in this over that, other than I am a synth whore and um, I have a problem. Now, if Zebra 3 full on drops... take my money! One guy creating this - great job! That's a lot of work.
This synth looks cool and the FM matrix probably lets you cook up some amazing stuff But honestly, 200 bucks for this is way too much when you can just grab Vital for free, or just use serum which lets be honest, the absolute majority of bass music artists has already bought by now.
First of all, this is an !!8!! oscillator FM synth. Each oscillator also lets you import wavetables. Just that alone is something vital or serum don’t have Then you look at the filter and driver per oscillator - which allows for craziness. Also you can use multiple of any effect. There’s more which I point out in the video and also don’t go deep into which make this different from vital and serum. Could the price be lower? Maybe. But when you compare it to other synths of a similar scale then it’s the same price (ignoring vital). Also this is a one man dev who’s wild for pulling this off alone. Personally I would factor this into the equation when making a purchase too. For example, Polyverse’s filterverse is about to drop its 1.0 for $99. That’s ‘just’ an effect. A very complex one, but it’s still a stand alone effect vs a fully featured synth. I don’t see why $200 would be unreasonable.
I’m sorry but at this point the last thing I need is some new flashy synth. I have phase plant, Pigments, Serum, and that other free one that’s also modular (can’t remember the name rn).
You can't even tell the difference between software and hardware nowadays and guess what? Your average listeners don't even know what the hell we're talking about.
I agree that the price of this plugin is too high. But this is comparing apples to oranges. You can also buy around 150 bottles of arizona iced tea for thr price, but thats not an FM synthesizer
Sounds like another ANOTHER OF THE SAME! Gawd synthesis has been boring since the 80s there’s been no absolutely no new ideas it’s the same shit over and over over and over.
Wake me up when it goes on sale for 50% off.
That and when I can demo it for more than 15 minutes at a time, to make sure it's actually something I will use, and there aren't bugs that I can live with. As a first product trying to get market traction, this is a questionable business model.
@@hostnik777 Absolutely! I shun brand like this one and Minimal/Current. The world is full of amazing synths. At far less inflated prices.
It's not even expensive 😶🌫️
@@spynasaurus5194 - time is money, but I'm guessing yours isn't worth much
@@hostnik777 couldn’t you just use presets and flatten the audio before the 15 mins lol? Forever demo. I do that w peel and st4b and it works in ableton to just flatten the audio before the 15 mins.
Having a distortion and a filter on every operator is really cool for sound design. Putting those on an FM modulation signal can get you really cool effects. Korg kind of went in that direction went in that direction with the opsix, or you can build out into something modular like Phase Plant or Bitwig's Grid.
The problem is that you have to help the user control all that complexity. If I have to program the envelopes for every operator separately, with no easy way to adjust the decay length on all of them at the same time, for example, then it's barely any different from programming a DX7.
Holy Moly. Someone send this video to AU5, I can only imagine what type of outworldly stuff he might be abole to do with this
God please don't. Let him figure it out. Would be better if you told people you personally know trying to make music. Real up and comers.
@@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69 wtf
Yes abolde.
who? send it to carpenter brut, an actual sound designer lol
@@ileryon4019 Wdym? Au5 is one of the most innovative sound designers of today. I don't listen to his stuff that much, but I have to admit that.
This looks super rad and I *want* to buy it, but absolutely not at this price, not from an unproven singular dev that I know nothing about, and not with a demo that only works for 15 minutes. I hope it succeeds, but I think the dev needs to seriously reevaluate his position in the market and adjust his business strategy to that. As an engineer myself, I want him to get paid for his work. As a former sales executive, I think he's putting himself in a hard position to get lift off with this pricing and demo model.
thank you for commenting this. the site looks extremely untrustworthy and it literally reads like a temu product or something
There’s nothing untrustworthy about this. I’ve been part of the beta process and communicate regularly with the dev in his discord.
@@cellardoreproductions - Just because YOU trust them doesn't mean everyone else automatically should. Why do they not list any business contact information on their website? Why do they force you to share your email before they show you anything about how your financial transactions might be secured? Sorry, but those are not the actions of a startup that wants to inspire trust. I'm not saying they are necessarily shady either, just that between how little information about themselves they are sharing and how much they are demaning from prospective customers, none of that inspires confidence.
@@cellardoreproductions - for that matter, I don't know you either, so I'm not going to automatically trust anything you say
@@hostnik777 yes, that part you can keep for yourself and do the fruck you want. Really. You sound so confrontational. Just skip. Done
That's the first time the video title is literal. That thing really does look like Serum and FM8 had a baby. 😯
this is INSANE. I need this in my life ASAP
good luck
Man why can't someone just make a cheap FL sytrus clone, or Ableton Operator with per operator MSEG pitch.
So I tried out the demo. It only gives you 15 mins which is insane. I barely was able to explore the whole thing. I couldn't even tell if it would work out for me. 15 mins are they fuken serious? I'm not going to buy something I'm not sure of at $200. Imagine if when buying a car you were only allowed to drive it in the parking lot how could you know if it's the right car for you without really getting to test drive it? That's what they basically did here. Honestly I wasn't all that impressed with the sound quality from what I heard but how would I know? I only got to test drive it in the dealerships parking lot.
This is common practice. For example all of Arturia’s demos are like this.
@@cellardoreproductions - Arturia is a well-known company with a 20+ year track record of supporting their products. They have built trust to offer short demos. They also are not dependent on ONE person. Let's say we all plop down $200 for this, a bunch of bugs appear and the dev "gets busy with his day job". No thanks.
@@cellardoreproductions thats why i never see anyone using arturia
@@cellardoreproductions25 year giant of the industry with absolute market saturation can get away with it.
Plucky, unknown newcomer can’t.
@@Comonad exactly. The more that @cellardoreproductions refuses to even acknowledge that these might be legitimate concerns, the more I'm suspicious of them too.
Hadn't heard of this one yet! Nice vid and a very capable demonstration.
I'm curious if you've heard of or looked into Surge XT yet. The reason I ask is because it also has FM and wavetable (and almost everything else you can imagine.) Free, open source, very well documented, active and responsive dev community, massive embedded bank of open source effects like airwindows and the like. Has the same UI approach you were getting at with everything being laid out and visible at all times. A key difference being there is no animation of LFO's and connections and such, which keeps the CPU wayyy down. Vital and pigments definitely suffer from the same problem as well.
I would really love to see what you come up with because the one thing it definitely needs is good preset designers to properly show off what it can do.
holy ghost, this is a very good presentation of Ghost...nice presets as well. strong* cheers*
The price is low! The guy who made this is a genuis
Looks like a good plugin.
for that price you could hire mike patton to come over and make sounds for you
extremely powerful synth alert
Per oscillator distortion and FX, you can add multiple instances of the master FX, and ut looks like you can set the crossovers on the multiband compressor? Damn, this is pretty slick. Does it have more LFOs that pop up once you use yhe first 3, like Serum, or is it just the 3?
I'd like to know
@mikeredding4667 It creates more lfos and envs as you use the 3rd of each type and so on.
@@cellardoreproductions that's awesome. How many can it have?
@@mikeredding4667 I'd like to know that too!
Cool!
0:38 The Chasing Shadows bass in Typhoon ❤
I would've liked to hear the sound of the filter(s) on this. Just a simple saw wave with high resonance and a plucky envelope. Surprisingly few digital filters can do resonance well, even in 2024.
The early part or this video sits a great job of showing the mechanics of how the synth works. Enjoyed this video very much.
Thanks. Check the demo out if you want to test the filters etc.
I waited for something like this to sppear owowow
Ten to twelve years ago, this would have been a $200 synth at the height of dubstep mania.
Take my money... not. I already have VPS Avenger 2, Vital, and Serum, as well as Phase Plant, Pigments, and many others that I can't remember off the top of my head right now. I do not see any value in this over that, other than I am a synth whore and um, I have a problem. Now, if Zebra 3 full on drops... take my money! One guy creating this - great job! That's a lot of work.
I made a few presets for this one as well. Very powerful
Has it earned a place in your regular go-to synth rotation?
Does this program able to let you use ur own wavetables
It does. Just drag and drop them into the oscillator waveform
Yes please
holy shit yessss
This synth looks cool and the FM matrix probably lets you cook up some amazing stuff
But honestly, 200 bucks for this is way too much when you can just grab Vital for free, or just use serum which lets be honest, the absolute majority of bass music artists has already bought by now.
First of all, this is an !!8!! oscillator FM synth. Each oscillator also lets you import wavetables.
Just that alone is something vital or serum don’t have
Then you look at the filter and driver per oscillator - which allows for craziness.
Also you can use multiple of any effect.
There’s more which I point out in the video and also don’t go deep into which make this different from vital and serum.
Could the price be lower? Maybe. But when you compare it to other synths of a similar scale then it’s the same price (ignoring vital). Also this is a one man dev who’s wild for pulling this off alone. Personally I would factor this into the equation when making a purchase too.
For example, Polyverse’s filterverse is about to drop its 1.0 for $99. That’s ‘just’ an effect. A very complex one, but it’s still a stand alone effect vs a fully featured synth. I don’t see why $200 would be unreasonable.
The ad copy on the website is so so good. It brings me joy.
Love it, and the look of it but unfortunately i cant pay.. what is it, 300 aud? (Assuming based on the cost ot serum).. sorry
cool
W vst
What is the oscilloscope you're using?
It’s called Vision
I’m sorry but at this point the last thing I need is some new flashy synth. I have phase plant, Pigments, Serum, and that other free one that’s also modular (can’t remember the name rn).
Kinda looks like vital too
Good GUIs will tend to have a lot of similarities when the intended user and use cases are the same.
Looks nothing like Vital to me.
Not quite Sytrus, pretty good though 👍🏻
This has more and different features than Sytrus and things that Sytrus simply can’t do. Take a closer look.
200 DOLLAR?!
Ooooooooohhhh. N n nooooooooo ooo
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Sounds nice but it's not as appealing as vital for me
You can buy a real analog behringer synth for that price lol
Good luck making anything close to what you can do with this or similar software synths for a basic analog synth. It’s like comparing cats to dogs.
You can't even tell the difference between software and hardware nowadays and guess what? Your average listeners don't even know what the hell we're talking about.
@@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69 BUT ANALOG lolol
I agree that the price of this plugin is too high. But this is comparing apples to oranges. You can also buy around 150 bottles of arizona iced tea for thr price, but thats not an FM synthesizer
@@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69true, i agree. But i see the value of being hands on with a synthesizer, its just way more satisfying than using a mouse.
et cetera, not 'ex' cetera
Eck settra
200 Bucks? Uhm no thanks.
Oooooo hhhhhhh. N. Nnnmmmm ooooooo
Sounds like another ANOTHER OF THE SAME! Gawd synthesis has been boring since the 80s there’s been no absolutely no new ideas it’s the same shit over and over over and over.
You know what’s always good… b l e a c h
Is this a joke?
What’s yer fav synth, beefcake?
its like phaseplant, serum, vital, massive had a baby with even better effects UI
199$? You'r lost your mind
Elaborate