HUGE GAINS FROM THIS AIR FILTER / VVT CVO Bagger / Screamin Eagle Wedge
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I'm glad you dyno tested that filter. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for watching 👍
Getting one of these put on my se stage 4 m8 117. Glad to hear that it’s worth it.
I put a wedge on mine and it does make a difference you can feel in the seat. Great work
Awesome! Thanks for watching
And people still question Screamin Eagle products! Great video and fantastic result
Well their epa
Tuner sucks
There are way better cams out there
Their exhaust options suck (head pipes and slip ons)
But .. they do have some stuff way better then the aftermarket
This is all because of epa limitations on there products not by choice
Their Tapered Adjustable Pushrods are another best!
Can you possibly do one on the SE K&N air filter? It uses the stock cleaners box but completely opens up the front of the stock air cleaner. Compared to the Wedge cleaner the SE K&N one is significantly less expensive.
can not wait to come up with the RGS
Great informative video.. that new air breather from Harley is really nice looking and works really well
Thanks 👍
Extra torque and power 4000 to 52000 over even no filter. Hard to beat this filter. Thanks ,will be following your future tuning of this motor !
Right on!
True bolt on horsepower and torque with dyno proof, a No Brainer for sure. We'll Done Sir!! Any plans for another sit down with Matt from Dyno Guys, I thought the open dialog unscripted really was informative.
Thanks for watching mate!
Matt & I are planning to do a few more videos in the future. We are both very busy men & we normally just randomly contact each other & set it up on the fly so there is no real time set for the videos.
Thanks for watching, stay tuned for more videos.
Absolutely fantastic, definitely a great product from SE. By the way you are a legend ☝️😁
Watching your work is top notch, amazing 🫵🏻😎👍🏻
Thanks mate! I appreciate the support
Did you find out what you can actually tune on the Bluetooth tuner that Harley has?
Those are REALLY impressive numbers for a "stage 1". The new 121 is proving to be a monster! I can't wait to see what they can do with a cam or big bore kit!
Absolutely 💯 its a game changer that's for sure.
Thanks for watching 👍
Honestly I don’t think you’ll need a big bore. It makes more compression than most big bore kits! If someone comes out with a cam that can take advantage of VVT it will be an animal
@@Twilson_Vtwin couldn't have said it better 👌
@@Twilson_Vtwinthere is a cam out now.
Great video...impressive gains over stock air box. Wonder why the dip in torque with the SE Wedge at 25 to 3100 rpms. Good gains above that though. Next question is will the Heavy Breather Extreme make the same numbers on the dyno. On the fence on which one to buy. Will be doing the Pro Street tune also. Thanks again.
I have fitted the new Heavy Breather extreme to a new Street Glide CVO but did not get the chance to run it on the dyno. It's safe to say that it will definitely improve HP & TQ over the stock filter.
crazy,gotta make ya wonder.
Hey dude, I’m a master tech in the US at speedway HD I recently started my own channel but have been watching your videos for inspiration. While I won’t be doing performance work like your channel….ill be geared more towards technical stuff like diags, how to’s etc.. keep up the killer content 🤘
That's awesome mate! Welldone 💪
Can't wait to check out your channel.
Have you got a link to it?
@VtwinRevolution
I just got my 2023 CVO Roadglide set up like this one and put it on the dyno at Harley Davidson of Macon GA today. I got 122hp and 131 ft lb torque
Awesome results 👌
ruclips.net/video/hf6oaLli7-E/видео.htmlsi=gS1ZMNIuxIHbgLmU. Thoughts on the dynojet commander?
Great video. I was surprised how much more power you got with the wedge over stock. I have the heavy breather on my ST and I’m going to change it cause I hit my leg in it. Is there a performance difference between the SE wedge and the SE ventilator?
If you're just talking about the SE Ventilator & the Ventilator Extreme, there is a huge difference between the SE Wedge & SE Ventilator.
The Difference between the SE Wedge & SE Ventilator Extreme would be minimal
, thanks for the great information.
Any time!
any ideas if or when we might see the SE auto tuner for the 121 VVTs? I really want to have that setup with wide band as I loved it on my 22 SG CVO. It just runs better all the time. Great video, def throwing the full Khrome Werks on and the wedge once my new 24 RG CVO arrives next week! What baffles are you running in that pipe? louvered? Thanks again!
These were just the stock baffles that come in the pipe.
I don't have any idea when a the full Smart Tune version will be able for these.
I'm sure there are plenty of people out there both from Screamin Eagle & in the aftermarket that are working on the tuning game for these.
Recently added the SE wedge and tuner to my ‘24 RG.
Nice one
123hp with just an air filter swap. This engine just put the PowerPlus to bed, AND this engine is gonna be sweet to mess with for King of the Baggers.
That new filter looks incredibly cool too.
Its a game changer!
Thanks for the video.. When you add the SE Wedge Air Filter do you need to tune it ?
Not particularly, but I would highly recommend it
Do you think there would be any benefit with doing the wedge air cleaner and H-D tuner and retaining the stock exhaust system? Thanks and great video content!
Yes, absolutely! No doubt about it
First off thank you so much for the videos. That is awesome information that you provided. I know you said the screaming Eagle heavy breather extreme.
Would be better than the stock filter.
But would it be better than the wedge filter? I guess I'm asking which breather would be better on my new 121 cvo vvt. Thank you for your time sir. P.S. all I have done is a krome werks slip on with louvered baffles. Thanks again.
SE Wedge is my go to. I haven't tested the Heavy Breather Extreme yet. I can't imagine it would do as good as the Wedge. It would still out perform the OEM filter though.
Thank you so much for replying. We love your channel and have been subscribed for a few months now. Your channel is what influenced me to buy the new 121 CVO VVT. This new bike is definitely a game changer for harley davidson. Thank you so much for your honesty of your videos. You don't sugar coat anything and try to push the consumer to a product that really isn't any good. I love the looks of the SE heavy breather extreme. But performance means more to me than looks. Do you see in the future of doing a Dyno test against the wedge with the heavy breather Extreme? Either way, like you said. I think it would be an upgrade from stock after you showed how much horsepower the stock element is robbing. Thanks again.
@MasterTechMiller I think I replied in the wrong place. Sorry! Thank you sir!
Thanks for supporting the channel 👍
@MasterTechMiller I love the honesty of your channel. A lot of videos on the internet are faking dyno numbers and trying to up sell harley stuff, but if it sucks you tell us that it does. Love the honesty of the video. Keep up the good work, sir. Thanks.
New to the channel, love your work man. What is your business called? Would love to come get a tune.
Thanks for watching 👍
I work at Darling Downs Harley-Davidson in Toowoomba QLD
Great information thank you. I have a 23 CVO Street Glide, I can't take delivery until February after the recall fix. I am having the Krome werks Slip ons put on and after seeing your great videos I would like to put on the wedge filter also. Will the bike need a flash tune also? or can this be done without one. Thanks
You don't have to do the flash tune if you don't want. You will still see great gains with using those slip-on's & this wedge filter.
The flash tune DOES richen up the tune slightly so your gains will be slightly different.
Either way, its fine to run it.
Thanks@@MasterTechMiller I appreciate it !
Thanks for the video. It was awesome info. In your opinion, which air filter would perform the best on the new 121 cvo vvt. with krome werks slip ons. The SE heavy breather extreme or the SE wedge. Thank you for your time sir.
@BigTimsTowing I've nor tested the
SE Heavy Breather Extreme yet so I would more confident in the SE Wedge.
I see you aren't using the HD breather bolts with that backplate. Are you externally venting that engine? If so, how?
These new VVT engines have a completely different designed breather system. I have another video outlining all the differences between this engine & the normal M8.
These are the OEM backing plate bolts being used & the breather is vented into the intake manifold not into the backing plate.
I will link the video mentioned above
are these things got any cam upgrades and able to be tuned yet?
No cam upgrades as yet. Tuning is available via Screamin Eagle Pro Street Tuner. It has limited adjustment, but adjustment is adjustment so yeah, you can TUNE them
So this comes with a stage 2 as you have true dual exhaust which isn't stock?
Watch the first video
As a percentage that's impressive.
Did you use a tuner? Does this work void the factory warranty using an EPA approved tuner? I would like to do my own wrenching.
This has the SE Street Tuner Pro & does not void the warranty.
It is mearly a Flash Tune with no adjustment whatsoever
Have you tested the other SE heavy breather?
No
Got a question put that air filter with some slip on will need to have a tuners
I'd recommend it for sure. It's not necessary but you may find some running issues & if you do then get a tuning device. The SE Pro Street Tuner is absolutely fine to run on there bikes
Does it have to be tuned after installing that Filter? I have OEM setup on my 2024 CVO
@user-df7df1eb8z It will be fine you run it without the tuner.
Will this filter fit older M8’s or does it only fit the 121ci VVT?
Yes, this filter is available for the earlier M8s. There is a different part number between them as they mount differently but thr filter element is the exact same
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did you tune with the screamin eagle tuner
Yes
Do you ever see any issues with the factory head breathers?
There are no head breathers in these VVT engines
@@MasterTechMiller 👍🏽
How is that increased air getting out if the exhaust isn’t opened up?
Watch the first video. This bike has a Khrome Werks Exhaust system. In the first video I show how much it made with the stock exhaust
Do you think that theses bikes need external breathers in the air cleaners to protect the pistons?
Are you talking about externally venting the Crank Case gases?
No external filters for the air cleaner. To keep the m8 from sucking the blow by oil back in threw the throttle body onto the pistons
@ronaldhicks2965 I don't think you haven't written that correctly or you don't understand how the the system works.
The crankcase pressure is routed back into the intake manifold. The is no where to add a filter. The VVT M8 has newly designed transmission top cover with an oil separator then its ran up hill from the transmission to the intake manifold.
Adding a filter in line makes no sense unless you are venting the crankcase pressure externally and in that case you are venting the gases externally.
I’m referring to the breather hoses coming out of the air cleaner with a filter on the end like the Fueling BA air cleaner. The external breather kit.
Great video, have you tested the other breather ,the se that’s on the 24cvost? Thanx Ken
Not yet
Can the VVT be removed for this bike?
Yes
What gear was your dyno run?
I did tried 4th, 5th & 6th gears. 5th gear was the final results
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Did I miss if he used any tunes or is this a stock ecu?
@@davidbridegan2302 Stock ECU
So it says it doesn’t fit California CVO’s, is that because of parts/mounting differences? Just don’t see why it wouldn’t fit California CVO’s?
I'd say it's because the filter doesn't meet the pollution regulations?
@@MasterTechMiller I ordered it to my brother in Kansas lol because Harley website wouldn’t send it to me in California, and the dealership didn’t have it of course, and they wouldn’t order it either, but was wondering, why they say it won’t “fit” or that’s just a way of Harley saying “we tried” to keep the California bikes from buying it. lol
@doggie1luv I would say so mate.
There are certian engine kits in the Screamin Eagle catalogue that say fits all tourers 17 & up EXCEPT Trike models.
The parts actually do fit but for some reason (EPA I'd imagine) it says it won't.
The only other thing I can think of is something to do with another type of crank case ventilation system on CA models that other modles don't have? I am unaware of any CA specific things on the bikes.
@@MasterTechMiller we will find out and I will let you know when I get it. But thinking it’s just the EPA regs here with the C.A.R.B. California Air Resource Board they are the ones that keep all the cool stuff for bikes and cars that makes loud noise and goes fast out of California lol;)
@doggie1luv Yeah for sure. Please let me know.
The stock air cleaner probably wouldn't have been as restrictive when going down the road though. This was a demonstration of what hp was gained from the new filter while sitting still. Once the bike is moving 60-70 mph, the velocity of the air entering the filter would be dramatically higher.
There's no ram air effect with the factory filter. There's no opening facing forward. There's no "scoop" to catch air either.
No. The front of the filter is closed.
Dyno correction factor used - STD. Show "real world" SAE corrected dyno numbers please.
No worries mate. I will put them up in the community section of my channel right now
Have uploaded the photos to community section & tagged you mate.
@@MasterTechMiller So same tune different filter? Stock filter and custom tune isn't a factor? I had a 2005 Monaro (GTO) modified and did 400rwhp and 460rwhp same tune same dyno different atmospheric conditions.
@markman7 Dynojet dynos (industry standard for motorcycles) state there can be a 10% swing between dynos. If you have 1 dyno reading 10% low & another dyno reading 10% high then the is a huge difference in read outs.
My video shows the difference with the same bike, same dyno just different components.
Sure it was done on different day when the weather conditions are different. If you wanted to get technical, I am located 2200ft above sea level so my numbers are actually slightly lower than other shops because there is less air for the engines to breathe. Engines lose about 3% of total output per 1000ft in elevation so I can safely add 6% to these numbers to get sea level numbers.
I've proved that in other videos on my channel.
Watch the first video (linked in description of this video). It shows more stock runs.
@@MasterTechMiller Again, my results were same tune, same mods, same fuel, same dyno, same building, same guy doing the pull, same air filter, and over 10% improvement due only to atmospheric conditions. It all just makes one wonder when K&N air filters never result in gains without tuning (HD stage 1). Engine temp is also another factor. Two dyno run numbers just don't validate an air filter swap IMO. Too many other variables in play. MPG ratings at oem manufacturers aren't done by a simple trip to Walmart and back.