I am definitely interested in seeing more news stories shared from your archives! They are very good quality recordings you have shared above. Thank you for sharing!
Interesting video. When I was in school a friend of mine got hit by a car as he ran to get on the No. 6 tram in High St Malvern (W Class) He got thrown a fair way down the road and lost a lot of skin from his bum and legs. It seems to have improved these days with the pop out stop signs on the doors, but I still see people passing stationary trams oblivious to the fact that they should stop
That was unfortunate about your friend but of course we don’t know all the circumstances. Nevertheless cars passing trams at tram stops has always been a problem and I wonder how much the police worry about it. Nevertheless there is the saying “Look out before you step out“. I certainly do!
@@tressteleg1 he survived ok and to be honest he was partly at fault as he ran around the front of the tram so the car had little warning but it should have been stationary at that point.
If I don’t get any complaints from TV stations, there will be more including the Stanwell Park viaduct falling to pieces just before the Wollongong opening, and some nasty crashes on the Blue Mountains. We will just have to wait and see.
I knew Harold Fowler from zig zag railway when I was a youth. I used to catch the train up from Turramurra each weekend to work up there. Harold had a little dog called Sandy. There is a good film called “A steam train passing” that features Harold Fowler and Rusty Sparks driving the train.
I can remember when i was young that a tram over ran the stop at the end of Nicholson st and i think it almost ended over Bell street almost into the field adjacent to the merry creek. Also I was on the 19 tram one day going to school and our tram began pushing (bumping) the tram in front - deliberately.
I was driving at South Melbourne when the tram ran beyond the East Coburg terminus. I never heard of any of our drivers being at fault, so it must have been a Brunswick driver. My guess is that they were too busy changing the destination roll, maybe lost balance, and the tram just kept rolling down the hill. I cannot comment about the route 19 incident.
Occasionally when I was driving a W and the cab door was open, the point bar saw a car coming which failed to stop for the stationary tram at a tram stop, and the point bar jumped out into the path of that car which then rapidly stopped. Funny how these things happen…
i also have interest. so yes, more please. when i left melbourne, i thought you were allowed to pass a stationary tram at a reasonable speed (or did the law say at walking speed) after all people are out of the way. is this still the case?
I will wait and see if any TV stations complain about me using their stories before I do any more. Trams Stop Laws “When there isn't a safety zone and the tram doors on your side of the road are open, you must stop at the rear of the tram until the doors close and the road is free of pedestrians. ... You are not allowed to drive faster than 10 km/h when passing a stopped tram which has its doors closed”
Yes. Mind of their own! Today I went for a Christmas Day tram ride and asked a driver about the announcements. She told us that there is a volume control in the cab for drivers and they can turn it down and largely ignore any sound coming through from the saloon.
That interior at 2:15 looks nearly identical to the DD-AR trains that ran here (before they were refurbished). Exact same green leather-like benches except layout: nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubbeldeksaggloregiomaterieel#/media/Bestand:DDAR_2e_klas_beneden.jpg
Certainly similar! One difference however is that those trains were air-conditioned from day one due to the heat here in summer and cold, especially on the Blue Mountains in winter. They are now being phased out and I gather the replacements will not have to tip over seats which will displease people but government would not care. Enjoy your Christmas day when it arrives. I’m about to make a tram ride with a friend 😊
Yes, plenty more including the serious problems with the Stanwell Park viaduct just days before the electrification was due to open. And other subjects too.
Premier "Never Wrong" doing his "spin" at Newcastle Station about catching an electric train from the "gong" to Lithgow and you still can't to this day. Billy Connelly said that Aberdeen was Gaelic for hypothermia. The loco in the crash is a class 87 electric. American viewers would turn on closed captions citing their inability to understand the language being spoken. When they go overseas and use an ATM they look for the American flag symbol for English and then realise that they should be looking for the Union Jack because Americans speak English, well sort of. The British AWS system used to give a ringing bell for a clear signal and a lower single horn tone for a signal at caution or danger. The system is designed to be fail safe so if the AWS system fails it immediately brings the train to a sudden halt and the driver loses all control. The French TGV system is similar but unlike the British system a clear signal indication must be acknowledged by the driver. The French vigilance system also differs on TGV's from the British system in that it's an intelligent system for if the driver presses a button or does a brake application or decreases or increases the throttle the vigilance system doesn't give a warning. When it does give a warning tone a variety of different tone sounds are given each time. The idea of high speed rail comes around in Australia every so often with grandiose plans that all come to nothing and always reminds of the definition of a fart: full of sound and fury but signifying nothing. With the TGV the gradients are steep usually around 1 in 28 but every coach has electric motors for traction and when they come to a mountain the go through it not around it and when they come to a valley they bridge it with a viaduct no matter how deep or wide the valley is. The headway between trains travelling at 300kph and over is about 5 minutes.
@@AussiePom I don’t have time to go into everything to do with this comment but I would like to say that, as I understand it, the British AWS system has a major shortcoming in that upon getting the warning sound on approaching each orange or red signal, by pushing the acknowledgement button The train can continue at full speed until it crashes into whatever’s on the track. While it can’t handle high-speed Trains, at least the signal trips in Sydney and Melbourne will stop the train when the arm is up no matter what.
Queensland Transport Minister at the time of the head on suburban crash in Brisbane, shonky Don Lane. Absolute embarrassment. Another ex cop who went into politics and went to jail after the Fitzgerald Inquiry, Lane did 12 months for falsifying expenses, with a few others. Still a senior constable after 19 years in Queensland Police, then goes into politics and remained as shonky as ever. Funny thing is that Queensland suburban trains, unlike Melbourne, did not have tripping devices underneath for red signals and if passed brakes automatically go on. This crash should never have happened.
Shonky politicians seem to be everywhere at one time or another. Fortunately these Qld shonks got caught and jailed. Too many other escaped. While Brisbane trains do not have trip arms like Sydney and Melbourne, upon passing over a box between the tracks, if a caution or red signal is transmitted from the box, an alarm will sound in the cab which the driver must acknowledge by pressing a button. If not done swiftly, brakes will be applied. However under this British system, a driver can acknowledge a red signal with the button and train can keep going. The driver who went through the red signal may have been suffering from sleep deprivation and sleepily pressed the button and kept going until...
@@tressteleg1 Indeed this is true in Queensland where the beeps in the cab are concerned, between stations, and even near stations etc.however they have issues on departure from some stations, especially Bowen Hills where the boxes are not installed and a lot of low speed spads occur and train control have had to radio the driver to stop. I once had involved in an inquiry into a driver who allegedly had "personal issues": and went through open boom gates at the end of a platform at about 80kph after he failed to make a scheduled stop at a suburban station in the outer suburbs. It was a miracle that there were no vehicles on the crossing at the time, it wasn't what would you would call a "quiet'" area . Trip arms before the station would have made a lot of difference.
Of course I had no idea of your knowledge on the signalling system. By no means am I impressed with the QR/BR system. It’s so easy for drivers to override, accidentally or even intentionally. Certainly busy places like Bowen Hills should be adequately protected and it’s amazing that they are not, lacking the control boxes. Certainly it’s clear from my driver’s view videos from Melbourne that until level crossing gates are closed, signal trip arms are raised although of course if a train passed through a station doing 80 km/h, a trip arm would still take a long time to stop the train. I don’t recall noticing any trip arms at the approach side of Melbourne stations and in fact I think the only places where there are trip arms not adjacent to signals is the last few hundred metres before underground stations there. And I suppose that even driverless trains can go wrong sometimes so relying on human perfection is also a bit of a tall order. It would have been an interesting job investigating that driver’s error.
Christina Kenneally a one time premier of NSW who was an American flew to the US with her children. She flew first class but the children were in economy. So she had them moved to first class at the state taxpayers expence and never declared it until she got caught and had to pay the difference herself. Naturally she had no intentions of moving from first class to economy. Later she was "installed" as a local political candidate in a Sydney seat to get into the federal parliament but the locals rejected her outright and so she failed just like she did as a premier.
Yes, I was really disappointed when that happened. On one occasion at Luna Park it landed on the bonnet, flew up the windscreen and landed behind the car! When the driver complained, I told him to go to the police station and tell them exactly what he was doing - racing past a tram stopped at a tram stop. I never heard another word 😆
I'm from Queensland and nearly ran over some bird that jumped out of a tram in front of me . No one told me I had to stop when a tram is stopped when I got a licence . All states should be taught the same road rules even if that state was too stupid to keep its trams . I near had a fucken heart attack 🤣🤣🤣👎
I agree that it should be all included in the licence questions for other states besides Victoria and South Australia, but unfortunately from the time they passed the test to the time they went to a tram city, they are sure to have forgotten the matter. Nevertheless the majority of those that pass trams stopped at tram stops surely are Melburnians who have no excuse. While the onus is on motorists to stop, it’s amazing the number of trusting fools who step out of the tram without even looking to see if traffic has stopped!
I didn’t mind them but in those days I think they were painted colour by colour which was a bit of a headache. It would be easier to apply these days when most vehicles are covered in coloured plastic sheet instead of paint.
I can imagine, but many places have even less choice of colours. Anyway it’s the quality of service that really counts the most and that seems to be slipping further and further out of reach with slower and slower timetables.
Thanks for this great collection. A reminder of days gone by. and old commentators on the news.
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I am definitely interested in seeing more news stories shared from your archives! They are very good quality recordings you have shared above. Thank you for sharing!
Thanks. There’s a lot of memories recorded there. I do remember some of those news stories, especially from NSW. I hope you can assemble more..
If none of the TV stations complain about this, there will be more!
Interesting video. When I was in school a friend of mine got hit by a car as he ran to get on the No. 6 tram in High St Malvern (W Class) He got thrown a fair way down the road and lost a lot of skin from his bum and legs. It seems to have improved these days with the pop out stop signs on the doors, but I still see people passing stationary trams oblivious to the fact that they should stop
That was unfortunate about your friend but of course we don’t know all the circumstances. Nevertheless cars passing trams at tram stops has always been a problem and I wonder how much the police worry about it. Nevertheless there is the saying “Look out before you step out“. I certainly do!
@@tressteleg1 he survived ok and to be honest he was partly at fault as he ran around the front of the tram so the car had little warning but it should have been stationary at that point.
True. Nevertheless for his own safety, every passenger should be careful before running onto the road for any reason.
Fantastic, I can remember the opening of through Sydney to Newcastle electrics. Thank you for uploading these videos.
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Thanks M8 for all your work, Real history channel!
Yes it is a bit unusual!
I have also learned a bit regarding the crashes and Newcastle Electrification Opening news stories were bloody awesome!
If I don’t get any complaints from TV stations, there will be more including the Stanwell Park viaduct falling to pieces just before the Wollongong opening, and some nasty crashes on the Blue Mountains. We will just have to wait and see.
I knew Harold Fowler from zig zag railway when I was a youth. I used to catch the train up from Turramurra each weekend to work up there. Harold had a little dog called Sandy. There is a good film called “A steam train passing” that features Harold Fowler and Rusty Sparks driving the train.
I don’t think I ever bumped into Harold. But I have seen ‘A Steam Train Passing’. Nice work.
Please make more there is plenty of interest.
Awesome video thank you.🤷♂️❤✔😎
I will unless TV stations complain. It surely is an unusual subject from so long ago.
Great Video Merry Christmas and happy New Year for 2021 stay safe😊🎁🎄
Thanks, and all the best to you too. Stay safe!😊
@@tressteleg1 All good by the way Reservoir Station with landscape and carpark is already complete in mid June it's looks nice?
I have booked into Melbourne from 5 January so will take a look if I can.
Interesting collection of memorabilia here,good post.
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I can remember when i was young that a tram over ran the stop at the end of Nicholson st and i think it almost ended over Bell street almost into the field adjacent to the merry creek. Also I was on the 19 tram one day going to school and our tram began pushing (bumping) the tram in front - deliberately.
I was driving at South Melbourne when the tram ran beyond the East Coburg terminus. I never heard of any of our drivers being at fault, so it must have been a Brunswick driver. My guess is that they were too busy changing the destination roll, maybe lost balance, and the tram just kept rolling down the hill. I cannot comment about the route 19 incident.
pity the Newcastle line is now cut back to Civic.
Yes, and it seems a lot of political skulduggery was behind that closure.
I assume that the Point Bar "Fell Out" with some "great force" as they do from time to time 22:31
Occasionally when I was driving a W and the cab door was open, the point bar saw a car coming which failed to stop for the stationary tram at a tram stop, and the point bar jumped out into the path of that car which then rapidly stopped. Funny how these things happen…
i also have interest. so yes, more please. when i left melbourne, i thought you were allowed to pass a stationary tram at a reasonable speed (or did the law say at walking speed) after all people are out of the way. is this still the case?
I will wait and see if any TV stations complain about me using their stories before I do any more. Trams Stop Laws “When there isn't a safety zone and the tram doors on your side of the road are open, you must stop at the rear of the tram until the doors close and the road is free of pedestrians. ... You are not allowed to drive faster than 10 km/h when passing a stopped tram which has its doors closed”
Very interesting. Seems that those point bars can be unpredictable 😄🎅✨🎄
Yes. Mind of their own! Today I went for a Christmas Day tram ride and asked a driver about the announcements. She told us that there is a volume control in the cab for drivers and they can turn it down and largely ignore any sound coming through from the saloon.
That interior at 2:15 looks nearly identical to the DD-AR trains that ran here (before they were refurbished). Exact same green leather-like benches except layout: nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubbeldeksaggloregiomaterieel#/media/Bestand:DDAR_2e_klas_beneden.jpg
Certainly similar! One difference however is that those trains were air-conditioned from day one due to the heat here in summer and cold, especially on the Blue Mountains in winter. They are now being phased out and I gather the replacements will not have to tip over seats which will displease people but government would not care. Enjoy your Christmas day when it arrives. I’m about to make a tram ride with a friend 😊
Yes, there's more interest if you have more material. Thanks!
Yes, plenty more including the serious problems with the Stanwell Park viaduct just days before the electrification was due to open. And other subjects too.
Nice to see some familiar faces, such as Brian Henderson and Ian Ross back in their heyday.
😊👍 I hope that the stories themselves were also of a tiny bit of interest!
Some great footage here.
Want some more, do you??
Premier "Never Wrong" doing his "spin" at Newcastle Station about catching an electric train from the "gong" to Lithgow and you still can't to this day.
Billy Connelly said that Aberdeen was Gaelic for hypothermia. The loco in the crash is a class 87 electric. American viewers would turn on closed captions citing their inability to understand the language being spoken. When they go overseas and use an ATM they look for the American flag symbol for English and then realise that they should be looking for the Union Jack because Americans speak English, well sort of.
The British AWS system used to give a ringing bell for a clear signal and a lower single horn tone for a signal at caution or danger. The system is designed to be fail safe so if the AWS system fails it immediately brings the train to a sudden halt and the driver loses all control.
The French TGV system is similar but unlike the British system a clear signal indication must be acknowledged by the driver. The French vigilance system also differs on TGV's from the British system in that it's an intelligent system for if the driver presses a button or does a brake application or decreases or increases the throttle the vigilance system doesn't give a warning. When it does give a warning tone a variety of different tone sounds are given each time.
The idea of high speed rail comes around in Australia every so often with grandiose plans that all come to nothing and always reminds of the definition of a fart: full of sound and fury but signifying nothing. With the TGV the gradients are steep usually around 1 in 28 but every coach has electric motors for traction and when they come to a mountain the go through it not around it and when they come to a valley they bridge it with a viaduct no matter how deep or wide the valley is. The headway between trains travelling at 300kph and over is about 5 minutes.
@@AussiePom I don’t have time to go into everything to do with this comment but I would like to say that, as I understand it, the British AWS system has a major shortcoming in that upon getting the warning sound on approaching each orange or red signal, by pushing the acknowledgement button The train can continue at full speed until it crashes into whatever’s on the track. While it can’t handle high-speed Trains, at least the signal trips in Sydney and Melbourne will stop the train when the arm is up no matter what.
Wran's our man , he understands , he's got the plan , he understands .
Queensland Transport Minister at the time of the head on suburban crash in Brisbane, shonky Don Lane. Absolute embarrassment. Another ex cop who went into politics and went to jail after the Fitzgerald Inquiry, Lane did 12 months for falsifying expenses, with a few others. Still a senior constable after 19 years in Queensland Police, then goes into politics and remained as shonky as ever. Funny thing is that Queensland suburban trains, unlike Melbourne, did not have tripping devices underneath for red signals and if passed brakes automatically go on. This crash should never have happened.
Shonky politicians seem to be everywhere at one time or another. Fortunately these Qld shonks got caught and jailed. Too many other escaped. While Brisbane trains do not have trip arms like Sydney and Melbourne, upon passing over a box between the tracks, if a caution or red signal is transmitted from the box, an alarm will sound in the cab which the driver must acknowledge by pressing a button. If not done swiftly, brakes will be applied. However under this British system, a driver can acknowledge a red signal with the button and train can keep going. The driver who went through the red signal may have been suffering from sleep deprivation and sleepily pressed the button and kept going until...
@@tressteleg1 Indeed this is true in Queensland where the beeps in the cab are concerned, between stations, and even near stations etc.however they have issues on departure from some stations, especially Bowen Hills where the boxes are not installed and a lot of low speed spads occur and train control have had to radio the driver to stop. I once had involved in an inquiry into a driver who allegedly had "personal issues": and went through open boom gates at the end of a platform at about 80kph after he failed to make a scheduled stop at a suburban station in the outer suburbs. It was a miracle that there were no vehicles on the crossing at the time, it wasn't what would you would call a "quiet'" area . Trip arms before the station would have made a lot of difference.
Of course I had no idea of your knowledge on the signalling system. By no means am I impressed with the QR/BR system. It’s so easy for drivers to override, accidentally or even intentionally. Certainly busy places like Bowen Hills should be adequately protected and it’s amazing that they are not, lacking the control boxes. Certainly it’s clear from my driver’s view videos from Melbourne that until level crossing gates are closed, signal trip arms are raised although of course if a train passed through a station doing 80 km/h, a trip arm would still take a long time to stop the train. I don’t recall noticing any trip arms at the approach side of Melbourne stations and in fact I think the only places where there are trip arms not adjacent to signals is the last few hundred metres before underground stations there. And I suppose that even driverless trains can go wrong sometimes so relying on human perfection is also a bit of a tall order. It would have been an interesting job investigating that driver’s error.
Christina Kenneally a one time premier of NSW who was an American flew to the US with her children. She flew first class but the children were in economy. So she had them moved to first class at the state taxpayers expence and never declared it until she got caught and had to pay the difference herself. Naturally she had no intentions of moving from first class to economy. Later she was "installed" as a local political candidate in a Sydney seat to get into the federal parliament but the locals rejected her outright and so she failed just like she did as a premier.
21:34 “fell out” 🤣
What a shame lol
Yes, I was really disappointed when that happened. On one occasion at Luna Park it landed on the bonnet, flew up the windscreen and landed behind the car! When the driver complained, I told him to go to the police station and tell them exactly what he was doing - racing past a tram stopped at a tram stop. I never heard another word 😆
Plz do more
There will be more, but I have not yet looked to see what might be in them.
I'm from Queensland and nearly ran over some bird that jumped out of a tram in front of me . No one told me I had to stop when a tram is stopped when I got a licence . All states should be taught the same road rules even if that state was too stupid to keep its trams . I near had a fucken heart attack 🤣🤣🤣👎
I agree that it should be all included in the licence questions for other states besides Victoria and South Australia, but unfortunately from the time they passed the test to the time they went to a tram city, they are sure to have forgotten the matter. Nevertheless the majority of those that pass trams stopped at tram stops surely are Melburnians who have no excuse. While the onus is on motorists to stop, it’s amazing the number of trusting fools who step out of the tram without even looking to see if traffic has stopped!
More pls. Good videos
I’ll do another before too long 😊👍. There are 2 later ones which should not be too hard to find.
Miss the old candy colors.
I didn’t mind them but in those days I think they were painted colour by colour which was a bit of a headache. It would be easier to apply these days when most vehicles are covered in coloured plastic sheet instead of paint.
Yes I agree, the yellow, orange, white & black on the suburban train is getting are bit boring.
I can imagine, but many places have even less choice of colours. Anyway it’s the quality of service that really counts the most and that seems to be slipping further and further out of reach with slower and slower timetables.
I just wish Sydney train’s pull their thumbs out of their arse & give the contract back to Mitsubishi Electric & U.G.L Rail.
I’ll have to take your word for the need for that.
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Hahahaha i bet it did.
Them point bars i could imagine would have been a absolute pain in the butt at times to keep in the cab
Especially in W's
Yes, very versatile pieces of equipment they are, but nowadays held captive in tram cabs.
@@tressteleg1 Very unfortunate lol