Expansion Big 12 Teams CAN'T AFFORD to Pay Athletes Revenue Share, NCAA Pushes SEC, Big 10 Way Ahead
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- The Big 12 Conference, home to a collection of athletic programs that compete in the highest tiers of collegiate sports, often finds itself in the shadow of its wealthier counterparts, particularly those in the Big Ten and SEC. Unlike these conferences, which benefit from extensive television contracts and massive alumni donations, many Big 12 schools face financial constraints that impact their competitive edge. The revenue disparities are stark: while the SEC and Big Ten enjoy lucrative deals with networks like ESPN and FOX, the Big 12's media rights agreements are significantly less lucrative. This financial gap translates to fewer resources for facilities, coaching staff, and recruitment efforts. Additionally, Big 12 institutions often have smaller alumni bases and endowments compared to the flagship universities in richer conferences, limiting their fundraising capabilities. The lack of major urban centers in the Big 12's geographic footprint also hampers revenue potential, as there are fewer local businesses and media markets to support athletic programs. Consequently, these schools struggle to attract the same level of talent and to maintain the cutting-edge infrastructure seen at wealthier programs. This financial imbalance has competitive ramifications, with Big 12 teams often unable to consistently vie for national titles in football and basketball. Furthermore, the pressure to remain competitive can lead to financial overextension, with schools investing heavily in athletics at the expense of other academic and institutional priorities. In summary, while Big 12 programs are not devoid of resources, they operate within a more constrained financial environment compared to their peers in the wealthier SEC and Big Ten, leading to challenges in maintaining competitive parity on the national stage.
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With the new Big 12 tv revenue I think BYU will definitely be in the top 5 of revenue in the Big 12. However, this could be a real problem for many other schools.
Top 5 even though they’ve been booty cheeks for a decade now behind a washed up player in shitake
Keep dreaming, what’s with the dog btw? I hope it’s your dog because that things is ugly. You’d have to go out of your way to find a picture of a rat like that. I’m guessing you’re also a lonely man since you post pictures of your little rat
Texas Tech, Kansas, WVU, Utah, Colorado, ASU, Baylor, BYU & Oklahoma St have the money to pay athletes.
Not true....
Not for long.
Prime continues to say he doesn't have money to pay athletes. Colorado athletic dept. had a 9 million dollar deficit last year. I know more TV money will now be coming in, but I doubt Colorado can be considered safe with this new deal.
@@equalizer1946weird because I know the WVU AD already said they do and this dude keeps pushing this narrative based off of financial reports from 4 years ago that even when studied with the understanding of revenue coming in plus NIL that it's completely doable. You act like schools in the Big12 don't have money 😂UCF operates on a 2 Billion dollar budget. TCU, 2.6 Billion dollar endowment. WVU probably the "poorest" University is at 900 million. So no it is true they can afford what essentially comes down to a 30,000 a year job for 80-90 employees for a football team.
They've already been paying them for years
It’s no big secret why Utah chose the B12 over the ACC. The B12’s new media contract offers more money to Utah than the ACC’s crappy media contract that runs through 2036. That coupled with the fact that Utah could join the B12 without having to agree to the 99 year clause (worth as much as $80M in exit fees that Utah won’t have to pay when Utah jumps to the future Super League) are the reasons Utah chose the B12 over the ACC. Had nothing to do with which schools are better or which conference was more competitive…always comes down to the $$$.
Makes more geographical sense. But with the ACC's ego. You'd think a Utah would take 3 dollars a year just to be a part of that conference.
@@lorenzohaynes3886 The universities in the ACC are a much better fit academically/culturally for Utah than the B12. But Utah is looking at either move as a short term stop before the future Super League takes form. So it's all about maximizing revenue and continuing to build the brand. The B12 is the best place for Utah to do both being the big fish in a small pond.
What teams do you think are getting into the super league?
@@phays10 the top 40 or 48 brands
@richaustin5849 The ACC has no culture. They're 100% North Carolina lackeys. Not UNC, the state. Those schools and states associated with the ACC can only shut up and benefit Carolina. A school like Utah isn't going for that for too long. If you've listened to ACC schools' complaints and paid attention to those lawsuits. ACC schools are in prisons. That's not a conference.
Crazy to have a conference that every team would jump ship to join another conference if given the invite.
I don't think anyone really wants to but how can you say no if they ask you?
Most of the money from all this ridiculous conference hopping goes right in the back pockets of athletic directors, head coaches, assistant coaches, strength coaches, and so on. Almost none of it benefits the student body or academics. So pardon me if I don’t believe the TALL TALES that “it’s best for the university”. It’s all best for the wallets of athletic department officials. College ADs run these athletic departments as if they were their own private companies.
That's the case for every FBS conference outside of the SEC and B1G.
@@gordono672 Very good point. Every Mountain West, American and even ACC team outside MAYBE FSU and Clemson would jump to the Big12 Right now if they could.
On other Big 12 action Oklahoma State defeated Oklahoma to win the Big 12 Championship in Baseball. UCF got pretty far in their first year losing to Oklahoma St getting them into the the Championship.
OU won the Big12
osu won the tournament
There will be more then a few schools that have to cut sports to pay the $20m bill. The best example is Penn St. The Board of Trustees approved a $700m renovation of Beaver Stadium WITHOUT renderings the day before the announcement of he settlement came down. Why? They knew they needed to do it before the settlement, because there will be lots of complaints about the cost of the Stadium. Guess what will happen? Unless boosters foot the bill sports like Tennis will be cut to pay for the Stadium and the $20m per year.
Gentlemen, BYU will have no problem with revenue sharing.
Houston has more money than what the public thinks. They’re the 3rd largest university in the state of Texas with billionaire donors and might move to number 2 over the longhorns here pretty soon now that they’re in a power conference. Houston downplays quite a bit to the public. They’re certainly not struggling to expand their athletic facilities. They will flex their muscles when the time is right. That’s Smart.
U gotta be kidding. A&M and Texas have alot more $ than houston. Its not even close
No, delusional
Houston will be fine.
Houston hasn't got jack compared to UT money .to think it does is utter stupidity
More than Texas lol Texas is the richest public university in the in the world!
Maybe Baylor cant afford it...speak for yourself Goldilocks
Having a man host this "show" would be great.
goldilocks lol
It's a cap not a floor
I was thinking the same thing. If it's a ceiling, then what is the big deal, pay what you can. If it is a floor, then yeah, they're in trouble.
Guys I’ve over the moon with people saying NIL is obsolete. It’s more important than ever per WVU Athletic director Wren Baker and I totally agree
If I want to watch professional sports, I’ll watch the NFL, MLB, and the NBA. I’m so disgusted with the direction of college sports that I’m quickly losing all interest, and I’m sure I’m not the only one. It’ll be hilarious when all this blows up, and college sports TV ratings begin to plummet.
When Drake Toll is talking, it sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher, to me....
😂
Many cant afford a new 20 million a year. But the new schools coming in have had small budgets, they will be getting tens of millions more. So it is easier to budget when you suddenly have more. The existing schools will have a hard time budgeting 20 million more.
I understand your concern about the revenue sharing in the Big 12, but I know ISU will be fine. They actually had a surplus in athletics revenue that more than covers this. Don't know why you persist on picking on a up & coming program. A little bit of knowledge used the wrong way can be departmental to both parties.
Its like as soon as expansion hype wasn't the only thing he could milk for videos anymore, and he picked up on the new revenue sharing story, he decided to pick on ISU as the poster child for "in trouble programs". While we aren't the biggest school in the conference, we certainly are not the smallest, and have rich alumni to fill any financial gaps if need be (which I doubt we will need). And like you mentioned, both basketball and football are up and coming, which will only increase our prestige in this conference. Also, as a side note, I think people are sleeping on us for football this year, which quite frankly, is a good thing
BYU has the $$.
Lol these Baylor fans acting like Baylor is good. Baylor had their best decade of football ever, largely on the back of extremely shady stuff involving the entire football staff and athletic admin. Now Baylor is back to normal, going 3-9, and fans think it’s not normal. That’s Baylor. 3-9 -5-7 every season is normal Baylor
Baylor sucks
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BYU has billionaire Ryan Smith behind them. They’ll afford it.
Remember, the PAC & ACC had a quasi playing agreement so there was obviously a lot of comm between them.
You talk about bowl game money, I was under the impression that all bowl money is split between all the conference members after expenses. At least that's how the big ten does it
Great show guys - thank you!!
Check out the revenues for BYU after full shares and they're well over $100M annual payout. BYU has announced they're in, as haven't all the Big 12 schools?
There are articles projecting out full shares for entries last year, one I sent.
Texas Tech, Kansas, Utah, WVU, BYU, ASU all have rich donors. Just looks at how much they make.
Yea but the B12 schools you list will have to go back more often to those donors and ask for money. It will get harder while the P2 schools will get that revenue via their TV deals…..that’s the gap issue
Utah is really struggling now… without our PAC 12 advantage.
My Utes are not as popular or financially stable, compared to BYU. Without our PAC 23 advantage, I’m concerned about our future. Go Utes‼️
WVU is a joke
Your a coug even so much other Cougs have found you cringe @theopyimist9605 give it up and/or find a new burner account man it’s gotten really old for a few months now
Do the original Big 12 teams really have that much more money than the expansion Big 12 teams?
Yes
What happens to a team/school if they refuse to pay their student athletes? Do they get fined or excommunicated?
BYU will pay it.
No way that they don't.
There's a list of big 12 teams that really can't afford it and will have to get it out of student fees or something. Ucf, Houston and cinci were on it. Baylor and tcu were borderline but likely OK. Those first three have larger or massive student bodies to spread it out. Byu is wealthier and large. There were two or three other low budget schools but I can't think who they were now. Think the acc also has five or so. Gt was one. I'd guess wake and bc are two others.
@@benjaminhawkes6693 "The (Utah)Church" views BYU football as an advertisement. They have billions and they don't give a gosh dilly darn heck who gets upset. They will cling on.
The BYU Clingers
@@frictionhitch I'd tend to agree if that wasn't clear.
UH lived on $7 million a year for 20,years…adds $ 22million in cost….and we are still talking $29million….so if we get contract..$45 million..…that is still better than the past !!
We haven’t been wasting $45 million that the rest of the B12 spent!!! UH wants to reduce School support..but the reality is the student/Administration will have to adjust..if you want sports at all!!
UCF has 80k undergrads. Thats 250 dollars a year for “athletic fee” to make 20 million. Thats 125 bucks a semester. Not really an issue for UCF. That’s less than the cost of a single book
Houston can easily afford it.
i have wondered how title 9 will play with the 20 million
“Maximizing revenue” all for the benefit of athletic directors, coaches and assistant coaches. All this conference hopping is just a major cash grab for them and almost them alone. These athletic departments are not privately owned by ADs and coaches, but they act like it.
Interesting thought... Does revenue sharing lead to expanded enrollment at America's private universities?
Drake, don’t listen to those negative comments. Your show is awesome.
😂😂😂😂
U made that up....... 😂 Just 🛑
He is a doomsday artist. The sky is falling, the Big 12 isn't going to last. I like this conference and all he wants to do is piss on it.
There will be a maximum of 40 schools that can d o everything that will be required. They rest of us will fall to a tier 2 schools to fight it out in a tier 2 championships. Power schools will become a tier 3 schools in a championship like Tulane. Memphis are now. And 40 will not stay at 40 evenally this will blow up in the top schools also. We can only hope this happens sooner than later and put everyone on this same playing field.not all the best schools can go to those same app.40 top schools.
Those tier 2 schools were already tied 2 before this
The next logical step is for some kind of salary cap to be implemented. It’s the only way to have some semblance of competitive balance. But for now, expect the schools who aren’t afraid to bust open that check book like Texas and Oregon to dominate this era of NIL.
As long as they have Yormark as head of the Big 12 I could not care less what happens to them. He is a prick and all of the schools will find this out. He will ditch them as he did UT and OU. He is pathetic
UT and OU left before Yormark room temperature IQ looking ass
The power schools have always been winning due to $$$. Nothing has changed with that since the 60's
Doce Grande!!!
Jake Spavital… SMH…be better off keeping Aranda. Jesus… Mack Rhodes is not that stupid and Baylor can do better.
Rules have to be applied , NIL, Portal, and Recruiting, if they don’t set down Structure of Law and Regulations…. the game will amount to buying championships. And if that’s the case the game is over! Fans will leave in droves, with about 10 college left that can compete against each other in half empty stadiums.
Until it’s outlawed, NIL is still as important as ever. How else does even Alabama push recruiting upward? It has to be these unregulated channels.
The age of conferences is probably over. The next round of TV contracts will probably be the last for the conference format.
What I'd love to see is a relegation system where the league sets the pay rate for the players AND coaches based on the tier the school is in that season so the schools don't have to worry about paying the players and coaches becuase it's done by the leauge's TV deals. Then, the schools get their share of the remaining TV revenue based on their tier level, in season performance and TV viewership numbers.
There are enough schools already FBS or planning to soon be FBS to form five tiers. I'd have a top tier of 16 teams, then four lower tiers of 32 teams each. After each season, the schools move up or down a tier based on a combination of in-season performance and post-spring transfer window computer analytics of how good they "should be." For the computer analytics, I'd have all 144 schools submit an open sourced analytics model so they all have an equal say in how the tier ranking should go.
Awww, the haves and have nots. It's always been this way, it's just out in the open now. I mean, have you been to Tuscaloosa, i do not think that all those 5 stars have been going there for all these years for the scenery!! Plus, if you aren't a part of the NFL Farm League, otherwise known as the SEC, you are not gonna be at the top. The little 10 still has only 2 teams that might be able to compete!!
Exactly
You must be doing something given some of the nasty comments. Keep doing what you; I can assure you that your hair color will change with time.
Arizona doesn't have that type of money. What will happen is that they will shut down a lot of sports, and only keep the revenue sports. It's sad. Then they might make it.
Big 12 = Poverty Conference
Wrong answer u know nothing
He's right . The big boys moved on. Big 12 no better than Sunbelt conf
@@stevekelly9509 We will see how big they are in the SEC
LOL. Pay them.
Houston, Cincinnati, UCF, ISU & KSU might not have the funds to pay athletes
Houston has the money
ISU will be fine
If they did they wouldn't have been in crappy conf before now
KSU doesn't rely on the state to pay for updates on campus. Everything has mostly been funded by Donors. They have big players with money backing them. AG pays. Especially that state of the art ag facility they are building. Kansas isn't on the same level of Donors as KSU.
Drop out of the NCAA and negotiate your own deal…let the Power 1/2 pay for it!! Form your own league and renegotiate contract with ESPN and UNIONs etc.
Let Power 1/2 go…yes that means we live within our means and restructure cost structure to accommodate! ACC/B12/ACC and a few other have nots…join and fight!!
The settlement ship has already sailed. I’ll admit that I don’t like it but dropping out is not a sensible option. Sorry!
Talking heads..blah blah blah.. college football is toast. U get paid for this drivel? lol
Houston can afford it, believe it.
Underrate HOUSTON if you want HOUSTON definitely can afford it
Bs
ACC fans are delusional
Bye Bye Big 12 😂😂😂😂😂
Wrong answer hello Big 12 will be better than ever
No1 cares about Baylor at all.......Locked On Big 12 has became Locked on Baylor 🗑️no1 is choosing the Big 12 over the ACC, Utah dont wanna be in the Big 12 stop trying to hype this conference up like that when in reality this conference is a juco compared to the SEC.......
Drake graduated from Baylor and used to be locked on Baylor host so yes he is going to be a Baylor junky. What surprises me is how much he is up on BYU. What’s funny is that he really attacks Iowa State like they are rivals or arch enemies to ISU. Drake is just a kid and still stuck in college, he will never grow up. 👍😎
@@dougwatchesiowastate well stated my friend
Never talks highly on Tech. After having BYU on the show 98 times, he finally got a Tech guy on his show.
unfrozen caveman college football fan
Arkansas can afford to do whatever is necessary to pay what is required to compete. They had no problem giving Cal the assurance there is the money to convince him to become their head coach. Lots of chicken money available and Jerry Jones other billionaires are also on board.
Would you sign onto a contract that you couldn't read?
NO!
Utah chose not to handicap themselves cuz DUH
The ACC is a dumpster fire
Well Cameron just pointed it out. They will not be able to keep up with the big schools which the exact reason the P2 are only targeting big public schools and will eventually break away and will play by our own rules.
I assume there's still no cap on private donations, so the tradional powers most likely remain.
Small school the Big Ten & SEC will be left behind. Football needs its own thing, but traditional sports, go back to 10 team conferences.
Yeah. I would rather see major conference college football break away from the NCAA into its own organization and top division. From there, I’d want to see the remaining NCAA programs at these schools reorganize into more tradition and geographic based conferences. This could have happened with some leadership a quarter of a century ago. 😞
Drake has a face
Drake's face
Doesn't like Jake
lol
Whoa,.... buddy, you suggested private schools might raise tuition to pay some knuckledragger to play football? I know you backed off, but if you think kids that are going further in debt so a SCHOOL can have a football team that's an invitation to violence
And you assume students want to attend a dud in sports