As a Law main, the funny thing about Alphen is that I got more use out of him from the bench; he gets stronger with less HP and his support strike deals stupid damage when he's low, but if hes on the bench, he can't die. I kept him out for random encounters but benched him for bosses and he served me very well lol.
Kisara's AI is way more than capable of holding enemy aggro and never dying from anything. She learns a passive skill that draws enemy aggro while she's holding guard. Setting your party's AI to keep at a distance from enemies will have her run close to her target, but not right in their face, and hold block constantly without attacking. Any enemies that the player isn't targeting will never leave her alone and never get anywhere close to taking her down, so long as somebody is casting heals for the party. (Note that if you're targeting an enemy, then that specific enemy is going after you no matter what kind of aggro control you have set up.) Whenever I was in a tough battle against two or more boss enemies, I'd make Kisara target an enemy that I'm not attacking and have her hold her shield up at them. She might as well have grabbed every other enemy and jumped off the arena with them. They laser focus on Kisara and just do not EVER bother me or my two AI spell casters. That leaves us free to focus down the one enemy that's still trying to take me on, letting me defeat the enemies one at a time with a rather extreme level of safety and consistency. Once there's only one enemy left, meaning it's going to go after whoever I'm controlling, I'd either switch Kisara out for somebody else, or switch player control to Kisara. Then finish the fight with three spell casters on AI. Another thing. When she's player controlled, Kisara can very easily infinite combo regular enemies. Because, for some bizarre reason, her 2nd normal attack leaves enemies in hitstun long enough for her to stop attacking and continue the combo with her 1st normal attack. She can loop those two hits forever. And she can put most any string of Artes in between those two hits. So long as she ends any long combo with her 2nd normal attack and immediately hits with her 1st normal attack, that enemy isn't going anywhere until death. Also, about burning through your limited CP supply. Just turn off any Artes that you don't want your AI using. There's no reason any AI character should be burning through CP if you don't want them to be doing so. You're in full control of that.
I actually main Kisara. I took advantage of being able to manipulate the aggro by giving her Increased aggro + whilst every other character getting decreased aggro + and then just held up my shield for the entire fight whilst walking up to enemies to make sure they only attack me. Sounds boring but its a safe, consistent strat that made the endgame/DLC bosses a breeze.
Ee...usually i also doin that but not by playing as kisara. Kisara's a.i. doin very good job to keep boss aggro on her but if you dont controlling alphen the the boss fight will takes too long. Alphen's a.i. is...well.... bad.
I think people struggle with Kkisara because she can't dodge if you try to play her like Alphen you will fail. Keep the shield up she will bully bosses.
@@paulsutanto9471 I just never used alphen. Wasn't a fan of having to sacrifice hp for damage. So my team was kisara, dohelim, shionne, rinwell. I would control dohelim for normal/easy fights and switch to kisara for tough fights or boss battles
Playing this game all the way through on unknown difficulty (frustrating but satisfying when you beat a tough boss), I will say this tier list is super accurate for that difficulty level. However, for the best team for unknown difficulty I have to disagree with you. I would say the best team is Law, Shionne, Rinwell and Dohalim. The reason Alphen is not included on the team is merely because his boost attack is insanely godly on unknown difficulty (or any difficulty), therefore you want access to it as frequently and safely as possible which means not including him in the party and then having him equipped with an accessory with 4x +8% boost gauge. This allows you to call alphen's boost attack without worries of him dying and every time he downs an enemy, which is guaranteed unless enemy is in overlimit, his boost gauge recharges to almost 100%. This allows you to keep bosses in a downed state for almost 100% of the fight if you want (cheap strategy), or have an on demand panic button to make time to cast a res or healing spell. Since he can't die or be healed when used as a boost attack call his boost attack also starts to deal awesome damage when his health starts to get low. While this strategy can still be done with Alphen on the team, you will lose out on a lot of Alphen's damage capabilities as now he is no longer equipped with 4x counterattack +30%. At which point it just better off using Law on the team.
I agree with most of the comments on here Kisara is actually amazing. Even if you guard everything she can overlimit almost 1-3 a battle (I play on Harder difficulty. I can guardian field my teammates if needed and being able to block a charge with R2 and then the boost skill buff all her shield attacks. I main Law but Kisara really surprised me with the utility she provides.
It's actually surprising for me seeing Alphen in God Tier because I played Law most of the time and admittedly kinda wrote Alphen's battle gimmick off as a "kinda worse and more boring Velvet Crowe", lol.
My strategy was to use shionne from a distance, launching those wind projectiles non-stop and doing tag team moves. Kinda breaks the game but super effective
my best for control character 1. kisara(main) tankiest with agro + controlled by ur self 2. shione - keep running + healing while spamming aqua impact + tres vetos best for support. alphen - bg rate accessory spamming his boost attack. keep hp 1 as a support since support character can't die
I have Dohalim as top tier because his super mode is easily activated and his gravity magic for crowd control is pretty nuts. He can also just spam air artes for great damage and crowd control. He is not mid tier at all just in terms of being able to break the game. Although he is certainly not as busted as the The Sovereign, The Maiden, or The Last Witch. Law has the worst super mode because you have to keep attacking and he has to get up close where he is more easily interupted and I still can't call him better than Dohalim. Kisara's ability to pull aggro is very strong and puts her above Law.
I haven't played in awhile but i became a absolute monster with Law if how well i knew him, his passives force spams him into OL and KEEPS him in it for what feels like an eternity compared to the rest. If you can get the hang of his playstyle and find a optimal arte formula you will be COOKING LITERALLY of how often you will trigger his 2nd mystic arte. He may be horrible as a AI partner but those who are good at avoiding damage while landing consecutive attacks on the enemy can push his usefulness to Top tier and even give Alphen a run for his money
@@chucho224 that is because he sacrifices his own health in order to perform extra powerful attacks and because you use him earlier than law is why his proficiency with more artes is higher, it isn't until Law gets and maintains his 3rd stage boost is where he can actually out DPS Alphen
If you factor in personal skill and ease of use then things could appear different depending on the player. Rinwell is great but difficult to master. Definitely the hardest character to play. Her spell canceling is a chore to implement in combos along with spell stealing. Factor in different spell start ups, the enemy can easily walk right out of you spells. Though spamming air thrust always gets the job done. Also you'll rarely get to use her second mystic arte. Kisara is takes some skill since it's harder to perfect guard compared to rolling into attacks with the other character's evading option. Also her artes don't flow together as well as others. I'd like to believe Kisara's Defense party boost has saved me from death often. It's reminiscent of Laphicet's break soul. Dohalim is somewhat easy. The only difficulty I found with him is that his artes have long start up and recovery. This effects the ability to perform his second mystic arte consistently. Using Bloody Howling from afar and closing the distant is a great strategy though. As for his break boost its very situational, the worst in the game honestly. Shionne is about intermediate. It's easy to lose track of her special bullets and the timing and spacing for her combos could be tricky. Alphen is easy. the best break boost, best combos. Just watch your health basically. Law is just the easiest. No downsides I can't really think of in terms of use. He evades further than others, his combos flow together nicely, air mobility and options are great, his break boost good, he gets overlimit every 10 seconds. Overall a great beginner character.
Is law really that good? It is good to know that this game's character are well balanced then. Personally for me, only alphen doin the kiling as fast as i can, shionne keeps the party alive, kisara takes aggro from other enemies so my alphen can launch killing combo to one enemy or more without too much interuption and rinwell makes alphen combo easier with aoe dmg and she also deal decent dmg. Law and dohalim basically just warm the bench.... I cant use law as good as you, when alphen lose his blazing sword and shionne is gone...ouch, i'm really struggling with law as controlled character and dohalim as healer.
@@paulsutanto9471 Law has two artes that will help out a lot. One goes something like hygenomy flare and the other is Divine something I think. You get them both by using your spirit artes around 50 and 100 times (artes like Steele and the healing one). They are great for breaking through enemy defense. The Divine arte in particular usually breaks iron stance or enemy guards it in one shot, it's a punch where he charges up for a bit and deals a bunch of damage. It's great for bosses and core weak points. You can also try going in and out with artes like eagle assault and eagle dive. As for his accessory set up, a lot of stuff just works. Personally I use Raw attack, and decreased arte guage cost in order to combo for a long time to get his buffs. If you ever need to experiment, just go back to the earlier areas, equip the minimum damage artifact, use a weak weapon with little penetration, and train. See what combos together. As for playing as the healer. I don't find it enjoyable or effective. So probably just set the healer to focus on healing and turn off the close combat artes.
@@chucho224 That's somewhat the gist of how I played her in the beginning myself. But that's not exactly mastery, more so an effective playstyle. By mastery I mean full utilization of her mechanics. Things like spell storing in order to chain combos since her martial/hidden artes aren't that good for combos. If you play her utilizing everything, you'd actually be able to pull off her 2nd mystic arte during that rare time she'd ever get overlimit.
This video is pretty accurate for characters but I just wanted to add how I saw the team, al, and shionne, law, and winwell were my main group I heard every had to change since I believe the game gives you great pairs for the teams, al and shionne work so well together since when you used al increased damage with shionne healing al can basically never die, with law and winwell they work since yes law does have weak defence but makes up with it with his quick strikes and crazy fast speed, plus he gets faster when he powers up with his trace ability, which where rinwell comes in, with her great spells she great at keeping enemies trap while laws comes in to finished them off, plus keeping them away from rinwell, and finally with dohalim is just great all-rounder they works with al, shionne and rinwell with two healers al can just go crazy, and kiara yes is the slowest but her tank build is good for the long boss fights and is good for protect the three casters, I would use each characters in pair like how the game paired them since in my opinion that's the best way to use them since they cover each others weakness, all and all each characters are great and none of them sucks to me, but it was a great video and very detailed too.
Playing all of them with manual controls definitely satisfying Can't say tier list on character each person fill what team needed but i think kisara is the only one different, she tank and lack of movement i only switch her for activated the follow up artes and switch to other for combo
Kisara's importance can only really be felt at end game unknown diff as a controlled Character. Although at that stage of the game, people either combo spams or typically just treats the game as a DMC game..
If player controls Rinwell, Celestial hammer arte can destroy enemies very quickly... And the bigger the enemy the easier the enemy get hit by all 4 celestial hammers' beams. And it is safe most of the time too since Rinwell stays airborne for a long time.
Alphen, Shionne, Rinwell, and Kisara were my main team. Kisara really didn't come in until I had her set up because...well...like you said earlier. Until Kisara was set up I used Dohalim though.
Crazy cause I used Law the most, and I was definitely a beast. Dodge and get good is my motto. But his defense is definitely shit with the rest of his stats, but that dps is a sexy trade-off!
In all honesty, it wasn't until I played the DLC that I understood how to "save" Rinwell's spells. So, if I took the time to learn how to switch her from close to ranged combat fluidly, she would be the best character to use.
you forgot to mention how doh have easy access to terror which doubles all the damage you do and procs on bosses. same as shionne(but her gravitas field is kinda slow)
For me, the best one is shionne. She deals decent dmg and keep the party alive. Usually, i'm controlling alphen and i try to kill the enemies as quick as possible by sacrificing my hp but the shionne's a.i. usually keep the good job to keep me alive while kisara's a.i. usually keep some enemies aggroing her and rinwell is well....keep her distance and wreak havok with her magic. If accident happens use life bottle quickly don't let shionne use ressurection. Well for me tales of arise is basically alphen one man show for the most part, the other characters are just there to support alphen BUT they do super fine job to support him.
Rinwell is broken and one of the most evasive/hard to hit chars in the game if you just use air arte combos and transition into ground spells when you have done enough to instant cast. Subzero confinement is the most jokes move ever given to a char lol.
This was extremely accurate. Due to there roles and the length of time you use them, The Sovereign and the Maiden had to be the best characters. Shoutout to Rinwell and the return of blah blah blah.
I pretty much never changed the team, Alphen, Law, Rinwell, and Shionne, in that order. While I like Dohalim I just never saw a use for him and his mediocre healing artes, though he was helpful occasionally and his burst strike is one I used frequently, I didnt care for Kisara as a character so I spent most of the game ignoring her, plus whenever I did use her, enemies never targeted her, she never attacked, and would mostly stand off in the corner blocking Though I played as all 4 party members, I mainly played as Law for most of the game, switching to Alphen during the final arc and I while all 4 where fun, Law and Alphen where definitely the best! While Law's ai isnt as good as Alphen's its still pretty good. the ai I struggled with the most however was Shionne's, she barely used revitalize or healing circle, and would run straight into enemy fire sometimes even being closer to the enemy then Law or Alphen where. Messing with the strategy did seem to fix it, but shes still the character who dies the most
Surprised to not see Rinwell higher, Beat the game on highest difficulty playing her most of the time and just spam Arrow Squall/Maelstrom with stacked water damage enchantments. Rarely had issues with Action Points or being interrupted. Her cast time gets crazy fast as you keep lobbing spells.
I literally have Shionne, Alphen, Rinwell, Kisara as my main party. Also if it means anything, a vast majority of the outfits you listed....I don't like at all. But hey....that is why there are so many outfits in the game, you're bound to find something you like.
In tales of games i play only with the mage or healer who's also a light mage in general. I hate doing that close hand combat, i'm not that good and it's boring to me. I had a blast playing with Rinwell! My team was your recommendation, however i used Kissara in some battles just to use her ability to stun enemy who charges at us.
"The only two characters you'll need" Only a couple minutes after "you'll die all ghe time, like a lot." Well which is it? Make up your mind, not that I care I'm out.
I mean like... in all of my playthroughs I keep Kisara on my team at all times and turn off guardian field cuz I want SOMEONE to be alive when shit hits the fan. I also generally keep all 3 women on my team until very late game when Rinwell learns all of her proficiency spells, then I replace her with Do until I need to nuke something. I also keep Alphen off my team until I feel I need him cuz I save my money for equipment, not for when he holds a lava sword for too long
@@apukami3643 I am not sure if this is the case with yourself, but I think people have a misunderstanding of counterattack +30% in this game and confuse it for counter edge. Counterattack refers to attacking enemies that are in an attack animation which is pretty much constant when it comes to bosses and counter edge is the fancy counter attack after a perfect dodge. Counterattack +30% is generally accepted as the best damage booster for boss battles at the highest difficulty.
Funny, late game party was Alphan, Shionne, Dingell and Kissara. Law would just die most times and Do happier I kept in reserve for when bodies start hitting the floor.
Never knew Shionne can do massive damage, really only used her for healing while Alphen and Rinwell do the damage Rinwell is the character I got more surprised from, she’s much much more strong than Magilou except for the stealing art ability which works much more in Berseria, (seriously Magilou could solo any caster in the game by spamming R2) The only real problem I got with Law and Dohalim otherwise they’re nice characters is that they have to few artes compared to Alphen. (Kisara has a lot more then Dohalim and she’s useless) Dohalim is kinda the jack of all trades but Eizen was too and he was incredibly strong. Law on the other hands has like 2 reliable attacks and nothing else, I have no reason why, I would’ve wanted to use him more but he never learned much from the beginning of the game. So the choice for me was always Alphen and sometimes Rinwell when I wanted some range attack.
here for kisara, just give her the increase aggro skills and she does fine, Shionee died more than anyone for me, and Law dies untill you feed him defense and hp buff items for around 30 hours.
I find it odd that that you put Law in mid tier for being frail and having a shit AI, when Alphyn wipes out all of his own hp with every swing and his AI always runs headfirst into every attack, but he’s apparently God tier?
I use Alphen more as the striker because he buys time and stops enemies most of the time, i agree Shionne tres vientos are the most op art in the game and when you got the D.arm then is GG but i disagree with kisara as a low tier, well more like there is no low tier in the game it's more like the mastering of the character.
@@michaelclifton9498 looks cool. I love how many party members you can get. I think exploration can be really fun if done right. Which character are you thinking of picking for your first play through?
While no character in this game is specifically useless, I'm glad you put Alphen & Shionne in the same tier. They'd be top tier in any Tales game honestly.
Usually, Tales games put 4 early characters in the party which are often the easiest and the best solid ones. The later characters are for more additions to make different combinations. I don't quite use Kisara a lot because instead of dodging like other characters, she blocks. And i used to mistake her playing style. =)) And yes, her AI is pretty bad, despite a tanker, she dies a lot. I usually use Alphen, Shionne, Rinwell and switch between Law and Dohalim when i need more DPS or healing depending on situations. Alphen is no doubt the god himself. His Burst is the best, can knock down almost every type of enemies in any sistuations. Spam full charging Incineration Wave all days. Spam Demon Fang and Double is fun as well. :V Shionne has great AI. She takes care of herself pretty well. She dodges well and keeps herself alive almost the time. Long range shooter, caster and healer is good in Arise.
alphen is the best character as main or as back support. no other character even come close. blazing sword and reign slash both are just outdamage anything the team can throw at the enemies.
As a Shionne main, I couldnt agree more. If she's not healing, she shouldn't be on the ground. She has early KO prevention and she's great at dodging, so no need to worry about life bottles too much. I agree with the rest except Kisara. She's actually my second best character, but playing as her is kinda boring.
@@MuffHam Well that's a matter of taste for one, second i'm speaking on her in terms of gameplay, she's fun to play as. The "spell canceling" and spell absorber.
My team set was Alphen, Shionne, Rinwell, and Law. I only ever brought in Dohalim when Shionne was out of commission. Kisara was always benched. Only ever used her to stagger rampaging enemies. Getting her Arena stuff done was an absolute chore. She’s not fun to play as in the slightest.
My list would more or less be: If I"m playing them If AI is playing them 1st Alphen 1st Rinwell 2nd Dohalim 2nd Shionne 3rd Shionne 3rd Dohalim 4th. Law 4th Law 5th Kisara 5th Kisara 6th Rinwell 6th Alphen (mainly due to AI killing themselves with blazing artes, if this could be prevented he'd likely be 3rd. Granted Velvet had the same issue in Berseria which is why when I'm not controlling these 2 they're benched) With that said I wills ay this even though Arise's combat system is my 2nd/3rd favorite after Hearts R and the Xillias the ally AI in the game is quite frankly trash, especially on higher difficulties as they constantly get themselves killed if you don't have them on the runaway option (they seemed to be tweaked a bit in the dlc that just released as they haven't died as much as in the base game on the same difficulty option but they're still not that great either).
My experience with Law's ai is very different. Yeah he died a lot. But he was the only character consistently getting mystic artes. Alphen probably died 2 times more then Law did. His ai is terrible, and did blazing edge attacks every 10 seconds and died.
It’s sad cause I fell in love with every character in the main cast and tales holds a special place in my heart since I was a kid, playing every title co-op with my cousins as we spent nights grinding through the game. The lack of co-op for this title was sad and I hope the next title is co-op
I’m fine with them losing co-op since I never had anyone to co-op with . However they need to change the boss mechanics. Bosses were bullet sponges that the battle mechanics didn’t work for. Especially since the boss can just clearly walk out of your dps moves
@@brazyfever787 but the majority of the people who play rpgs in general don’t play it for co-op it’s usually for single players only. Which btw Arise advertised itself as a single player game. Why buy and play it then get mad when it wasn’t what you wanted it to be?
Even though some characters are better than others I felt this game was actually fairly balanced. Although with DLC, Rinwell gets access to spells from Shionne and Dhohalim that she can't get otherwise.
I just watched your video, and by instinct, I made the same final lineup as you. It seems that it was a no brainer as Dohalim served as like a secondary healer and caster to your already good healer and caster in Shionne and Rinwell. But, I got to admit, Rinwell's character development and justification to her racist attitude came way too late. So even when I use her a lot, I still don't like her as a character. Lol!
@@glezard212 Alphen plays like he has a death wish on AI. Best AI I'd say is Shionne she plays herself really really well. But Kisara is a straight up bully controlled and I didn't even do a ton of perfect blocks, she mitigates so well just blocking and her shield charge mech that gives hyper armor plus attack boost is great.
Eh Arise's AI was just bad period....easily the worst in the series with only maybe Symphonia Raine being on par with how suicidal the ally AI was. Throw in the fact that the party AI strategy menu was party based and not individual character based, which is likely where the issues occurred, and you get the only aspect that's bad with the game's combat: ally AI...hell can't even say AI in general as the enemy AI works quite a bit smarter than many of the past games, it's just your party that gets fucked. As for best AI in the series: Hearts R or Xillia 1 and 2 (Xillias definitely has the best or more accurately broken OP wise healer, Elise, in the series). Honestly the game's only real issues were the AI, side quests mostly being boring fetch/one off job board hunting quests, the final dungeon being a pain to explore, and the final 10 or so hours of the story dropping off quite a bit from the moment you get to the end of Lenegis (personally I would've just kept going with the Renans are the bad guy and made the last Sovereign the main final boss even if it's more generic...the logic would've been more solid imo...could've even added the Great spirit being used by him to do soemthing like stealing Dahna's life force to revive Rena...oh and Vhorlan should've either died at the end of his region or when you see him in Lenegis...he never should've popped his head in for 1 final BS fight. The forgiveness aspect also should've been cut out as they had a better message at the end of region 3 where Kisara more or less said she didn't forgive the Renans for the BS they did however she will try to move on for the sake of the future with Renans and Dahnans living together. Outside of those story bits though the story was solid...granted Almeldria/events related to her were annoying like a Disney Queen style of annoying though which is NOT a compliment lol).
@@mrdarkstar3756 Velvet's the only one with a more suicidal AI than him given her AI will use up all HP until it hits 1 before ending the Berserk form...well there's Raine too who's stupid enough to run up to an enemy to smack it with her staff far too many times even when her TP is at more than 75%...probably the only other AI out there worse than those 2 in the series tbh.
No one's best in Tales of Arise.. The storytelling is some of the worse in the franchise. The characters are pretty bland and monotone.. There's nothing wrong with the voice actors, the writing is just THAT bad.
I'm very sad I've never been able to get into a tails game since vesperia there's always going to be something about the characters and their specified class choices and loadouts in comparison to all the recent tales games where everyone's just a magical shounen character :/
Since Vesperia? I mean I'm with you when it comes to like Zestiria and onwards because to me it's then on that the combat have felt still, limiting, convoluted for the sake of being different when it comes to the other characters that isn't the main one (the main offender being Berseria, every character that is not Velvet feels terrible to use), and lacking options when it comes to the amount of artes, so much so I haven't been able to replay them after beating them once as much as I enjoy the characters story wise. But Graces f have my favorite battle system, it's really good and every character is fun to use (even tho I have my 3 favorites), followed by Xillia 2 which is really fun combat and story wise. Hearts R is another one with great combat, and imo has the best strategy menu in the series and I hope they would bring it back because you can customize that thing so well the ai feel like it's 3 steps ahead of you doing exactly what you want them to do at the right time. So there has been great games after Vesperia
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As a Law main, the funny thing about Alphen is that I got more use out of him from the bench; he gets stronger with less HP and his support strike deals stupid damage when he's low, but if hes on the bench, he can't die. I kept him out for random encounters but benched him for bosses and he served me very well lol.
Kisara kept me alive in SO many battles on the higher difficulties! And her AI worked surprisingly well from my experience.
Kisara's AI is way more than capable of holding enemy aggro and never dying from anything. She learns a passive skill that draws enemy aggro while she's holding guard. Setting your party's AI to keep at a distance from enemies will have her run close to her target, but not right in their face, and hold block constantly without attacking. Any enemies that the player isn't targeting will never leave her alone and never get anywhere close to taking her down, so long as somebody is casting heals for the party. (Note that if you're targeting an enemy, then that specific enemy is going after you no matter what kind of aggro control you have set up.)
Whenever I was in a tough battle against two or more boss enemies, I'd make Kisara target an enemy that I'm not attacking and have her hold her shield up at them. She might as well have grabbed every other enemy and jumped off the arena with them. They laser focus on Kisara and just do not EVER bother me or my two AI spell casters. That leaves us free to focus down the one enemy that's still trying to take me on, letting me defeat the enemies one at a time with a rather extreme level of safety and consistency. Once there's only one enemy left, meaning it's going to go after whoever I'm controlling, I'd either switch Kisara out for somebody else, or switch player control to Kisara. Then finish the fight with three spell casters on AI.
Another thing. When she's player controlled, Kisara can very easily infinite combo regular enemies. Because, for some bizarre reason, her 2nd normal attack leaves enemies in hitstun long enough for her to stop attacking and continue the combo with her 1st normal attack. She can loop those two hits forever. And she can put most any string of Artes in between those two hits. So long as she ends any long combo with her 2nd normal attack and immediately hits with her 1st normal attack, that enemy isn't going anywhere until death.
Also, about burning through your limited CP supply. Just turn off any Artes that you don't want your AI using. There's no reason any AI character should be burning through CP if you don't want them to be doing so. You're in full control of that.
I actually main Kisara. I took advantage of being able to manipulate the aggro by giving her Increased aggro + whilst every other character getting decreased aggro + and then just held up my shield for the entire fight whilst walking up to enemies to make sure they only attack me. Sounds boring but its a safe, consistent strat that made the endgame/DLC bosses a breeze.
kisara is busted as a controlled character
Ee...usually i also doin that but not by playing as kisara. Kisara's a.i. doin very good job to keep boss aggro on her but if you dont controlling alphen the the boss fight will takes too long. Alphen's a.i. is...well.... bad.
I think people struggle with Kkisara because she can't dodge if you try to play her like Alphen you will fail. Keep the shield up she will bully bosses.
@@paulsutanto9471 I just never used alphen. Wasn't a fan of having to sacrifice hp for damage. So my team was kisara, dohelim, shionne, rinwell. I would control dohelim for normal/easy fights and switch to kisara for tough fights or boss battles
kisara is tankiest the best in even in hardest difficulty my second main shionne keep healing run while spamming aqua impact and tres vetos
This is fun when you've only played alphen due to fear of having to learn anyone else.
Playing this game all the way through on unknown difficulty (frustrating but satisfying when you beat a tough boss), I will say this tier list is super accurate for that difficulty level. However, for the best team for unknown difficulty I have to disagree with you.
I would say the best team is Law, Shionne, Rinwell and Dohalim. The reason Alphen is not included on the team is merely because his boost attack is insanely godly on unknown difficulty (or any difficulty), therefore you want access to it as frequently and safely as possible which means not including him in the party and then having him equipped with an accessory with 4x +8% boost gauge. This allows you to call alphen's boost attack without worries of him dying and every time he downs an enemy, which is guaranteed unless enemy is in overlimit, his boost gauge recharges to almost 100%. This allows you to keep bosses in a downed state for almost 100% of the fight if you want (cheap strategy), or have an on demand panic button to make time to cast a res or healing spell. Since he can't die or be healed when used as a boost attack call his boost attack also starts to deal awesome damage when his health starts to get low.
While this strategy can still be done with Alphen on the team, you will lose out on a lot of Alphen's damage capabilities as now he is no longer equipped with 4x counterattack +30%. At which point it just better off using Law on the team.
I agree with most of the comments on here Kisara is actually amazing. Even if you guard everything she can overlimit almost 1-3 a battle (I play on Harder difficulty. I can guardian field my teammates if needed and being able to block a charge with R2 and then the boost skill buff all her shield attacks. I main Law but Kisara really surprised me with the utility she provides.
It's actually surprising for me seeing Alphen in God Tier because I played Law most of the time and admittedly kinda wrote Alphen's battle gimmick off as a "kinda worse and more boring Velvet Crowe", lol.
Can anyone please tell me how to use the "Magic Lens", like....how do I see their Elemental weakness and details of enemies while in the fight? :(
Everything you've said at the end is exactly how I play, neat lol
My strategy was to use shionne from a distance, launching those wind projectiles non-stop and doing tag team moves. Kinda breaks the game but super effective
my best for control character
1. kisara(main) tankiest with agro + controlled by ur self
2. shione - keep running + healing while spamming aqua impact + tres vetos
best for support. alphen - bg rate accessory spamming his boost attack. keep hp 1 as a support since support character can't die
I have Dohalim as top tier because his super mode is easily activated and his gravity magic for crowd control is pretty nuts. He can also just spam air artes for great damage and crowd control. He is not mid tier at all just in terms of being able to break the game. Although he is certainly not as busted as the The Sovereign, The Maiden, or The Last Witch. Law has the worst super mode because you have to keep attacking and he has to get up close where he is more easily interupted and I still can't call him better than Dohalim. Kisara's ability to pull aggro is very strong and puts her above Law.
I haven't played in awhile but i became a absolute monster with Law if how well i knew him, his passives force spams him into OL and KEEPS him in it for what feels like an eternity compared to the rest. If you can get the hang of his playstyle and find a optimal arte formula you will be COOKING LITERALLY of how often you will trigger his 2nd mystic arte.
He may be horrible as a AI partner but those who are good at avoiding damage while landing consecutive attacks on the enemy can push his usefulness to Top tier and even give Alphen a run for his money
still worse damage than alphen
@@chucho224 that is because he sacrifices his own health in order to perform extra powerful attacks and because you use him earlier than law is why his proficiency with more artes is higher, it isn't until Law gets and maintains his 3rd stage boost is where he can actually out DPS Alphen
@@TMind109 i don't think he can outdps incinaretiom Wave max charge
@@chucho224 fair point but who does that to their health anyways?
@@TMind109 You Say that like it's hard to heal him to full and do it again a second after. Or as if what youre fighting ks gonna survive
If you factor in personal skill and ease of use then things could appear different depending on the player.
Rinwell is great but difficult to master. Definitely the hardest character to play. Her spell canceling is a chore to implement in combos along with spell stealing. Factor in different spell start ups, the enemy can easily walk right out of you spells. Though spamming air thrust always gets the job done. Also you'll rarely get to use her second mystic arte.
Kisara is takes some skill since it's harder to perfect guard compared to rolling into attacks with the other character's evading option. Also her artes don't flow together as well as others. I'd like to believe Kisara's Defense party boost has saved me from death often. It's reminiscent of Laphicet's break soul.
Dohalim is somewhat easy. The only difficulty I found with him is that his artes have long start up and recovery. This effects the ability to perform his second mystic arte consistently. Using Bloody Howling from afar and closing the distant is a great strategy though. As for his break boost its very situational, the worst in the game honestly.
Shionne is about intermediate. It's easy to lose track of her special bullets and the timing and spacing for her combos could be tricky.
Alphen is easy. the best break boost, best combos. Just watch your health basically.
Law is just the easiest. No downsides I can't really think of in terms of use. He evades further than others, his combos flow together nicely, air mobility and options are great, his break boost good, he gets overlimit every 10 seconds. Overall a great beginner character.
Is law really that good? It is good to know that this game's character are well balanced then. Personally for me, only alphen doin the kiling as fast as i can, shionne keeps the party alive, kisara takes aggro from other enemies so my alphen can launch killing combo to one enemy or more without too much interuption and rinwell makes alphen combo easier with aoe dmg and she also deal decent dmg. Law and dohalim basically just warm the bench.... I cant use law as good as you, when alphen lose his blazing sword and shionne is gone...ouch, i'm really struggling with law as controlled character and dohalim as healer.
@@paulsutanto9471 Law has two artes that will help out a lot. One goes something like hygenomy flare and the other is Divine something I think. You get them both by using your spirit artes around 50 and 100 times (artes like Steele and the healing one). They are great for breaking through enemy defense. The Divine arte in particular usually breaks iron stance or enemy guards it in one shot, it's a punch where he charges up for a bit and deals a bunch of damage. It's great for bosses and core weak points. You can also try going in and out with artes like eagle assault and eagle dive. As for his accessory set up, a lot of stuff just works. Personally I use Raw attack, and decreased arte guage cost in order to combo for a long time to get his buffs. If you ever need to experiment, just go back to the earlier areas, equip the minimum damage artifact, use a weak weapon with little penetration, and train. See what combos together.
As for playing as the healer. I don't find it enjoyable or effective. So probably just set the healer to focus on healing and turn off the close combat artes.
how's rinwell difficulty master? you literally just spam air thrust then dodge a bunch and start spamming 0 cast time shooting stars
@@chucho224 That's somewhat the gist of how I played her in the beginning myself. But that's not exactly mastery, more so an effective playstyle. By mastery I mean full utilization of her mechanics. Things like spell storing in order to chain combos since her martial/hidden artes aren't that good for combos. If you play her utilizing everything, you'd actually be able to pull off her 2nd mystic arte during that rare time she'd ever get overlimit.
@@SeveredEverlastingWorldLore her mechanics are trash and a waste of dps
This video is pretty accurate for characters but I just wanted to add how I saw the team, al, and shionne, law, and winwell were my main group I heard every had to change since I believe the game gives you great pairs for the teams, al and shionne work so well together since when you used al increased damage with shionne healing al can basically never die, with law and winwell they work since yes law does have weak defence but makes up with it with his quick strikes and crazy fast speed, plus he gets faster when he powers up with his trace ability, which where rinwell comes in, with her great spells she great at keeping enemies trap while laws comes in to finished them off, plus keeping them away from rinwell, and finally with dohalim is just great all-rounder they works with al, shionne and rinwell with two healers al can just go crazy, and kiara yes is the slowest but her tank build is good for the long boss fights and is good for protect the three casters, I would use each characters in pair like how the game paired them since in my opinion that's the best way to use them since they cover each others weakness, all and all each characters are great and none of them sucks to me, but it was a great video and very detailed too.
Playing all of them with manual controls definitely satisfying
Can't say tier list on character each person fill what team needed but i think kisara is the only one different, she tank and lack of movement i only switch her for activated the follow up artes and switch to other for combo
Kisara's importance can only really be felt at end game unknown diff as a controlled Character.
Although at that stage of the game, people either combo spams or typically just treats the game as a DMC game..
If player controls Rinwell, Celestial hammer arte can destroy enemies very quickly... And the bigger the enemy the easier the enemy get hit by all 4 celestial hammers' beams.
And it is safe most of the time too since Rinwell stays airborne for a long time.
Alphen, Shionne, Rinwell, and Kisara were my main team. Kisara really didn't come in until I had her set up because...well...like you said earlier. Until Kisara was set up I used Dohalim though.
My man said dolahim is low tier I see he never got the dlc that makes him god tier healer lol😂
Crazy cause I used Law the most, and I was definitely a beast. Dodge and get good is my motto. But his defense is definitely shit with the rest of his stats, but that dps is a sexy trade-off!
In all honesty, it wasn't until I played the DLC that I understood how to "save" Rinwell's spells.
So, if I took the time to learn how to switch her from close to ranged combat fluidly, she would be the best character to use.
you forgot to mention how doh have easy access to terror which doubles all the damage you do and procs on bosses. same as shionne(but her gravitas field is kinda slow)
Just like Rinwell told Law "You cant take a hit"
For me, the best one is shionne. She deals decent dmg and keep the party alive. Usually, i'm controlling alphen and i try to kill the enemies as quick as possible by sacrificing my hp but the shionne's a.i. usually keep the good job to keep me alive while kisara's a.i. usually keep some enemies aggroing her and rinwell is well....keep her distance and wreak havok with her magic. If accident happens use life bottle quickly don't let shionne use ressurection. Well for me tales of arise is basically alphen one man show for the most part, the other characters are just there to support alphen BUT they do super fine job to support him.
Rinwell is broken and one of the most evasive/hard to hit chars in the game if you just use air arte combos and transition into ground spells when you have done enough to instant cast. Subzero confinement is the most jokes move ever given to a char lol.
Despite not liking her archetype and design, from this video's criterias and my own experience, I'm pretty sure Kisara is a solid Top tier.
This was extremely accurate. Due to there roles and the length of time you use them, The Sovereign and the Maiden had to be the best characters. Shoutout to Rinwell and the return of blah blah blah.
Absolutely loved this game, Alphen was just my favorite
Alfyn was always my go to. He’s just easy and simple to use
I pretty much never changed the team, Alphen, Law, Rinwell, and Shionne, in that order. While I like Dohalim I just never saw a use for him and his mediocre healing artes, though he was helpful occasionally and his burst strike is one I used frequently, I didnt care for Kisara as a character so I spent most of the game ignoring her, plus whenever I did use her, enemies never targeted her, she never attacked, and would mostly stand off in the corner blocking
Though I played as all 4 party members, I mainly played as Law for most of the game, switching to Alphen during the final arc and I while all 4 where fun, Law and Alphen where definitely the best! While Law's ai isnt as good as Alphen's its still pretty good. the ai I struggled with the most however was Shionne's, she barely used revitalize or healing circle, and would run straight into enemy fire sometimes even being closer to the enemy then Law or Alphen where. Messing with the strategy did seem to fix it, but shes still the character who dies the most
Surprised to not see Rinwell higher, Beat the game on highest difficulty playing her most of the time and just spam Arrow Squall/Maelstrom with stacked water damage enchantments. Rarely had issues with Action Points or being interrupted. Her cast time gets crazy fast as you keep lobbing spells.
I literally have Shionne, Alphen, Rinwell, Kisara as my main party.
Also if it means anything, a vast majority of the outfits you listed....I don't like at all.
But hey....that is why there are so many outfits in the game, you're bound to find something you like.
I really love this game but could never finish it lol It’s definitely on my bucket list tho
In tales of games i play only with the mage or healer who's also a light mage in general.
I hate doing that close hand combat, i'm not that good and it's boring to me.
I had a blast playing with Rinwell!
My team was your recommendation, however i used Kissara in some battles just to use her ability to stun enemy who charges at us.
Is the exact same team on Berseria fighter: Velvet/Alphen Healer: Laphicet/Shionne Caster Magilou/Rinwell and suport Healer Eizen/Dohaline
I just want the combat to be more heavier feeling more impactful.
Mained Shionne the whole game and got my ass beat on the final boss because didn’t know how to play as Alphen 😅
"The only two characters you'll need"
Only a couple minutes after "you'll die all ghe time, like a lot."
Well which is it? Make up your mind, not that I care I'm out.
I mean like... in all of my playthroughs I keep Kisara on my team at all times and turn off guardian field cuz I want SOMEONE to be alive when shit hits the fan.
I also generally keep all 3 women on my team until very late game when Rinwell learns all of her proficiency spells, then I replace her with Do until I need to nuke something. I also keep Alphen off my team until I feel I need him cuz I save my money for equipment, not for when he holds a lava sword for too long
Alphen with a good weapon and all the flame attack buff skills can 2 shot bosses with full charged flaming edges. Which you can spam :) it's fun
Counterattack +30% is generally better than flame damage +15% for boss fights as the bosses are attacking all the time.
@@ehabib why worry about counterattacking if you can kill the boss in a minute with flame spam :). Counter is pretty good for lengthy fights tho.
@@apukami3643 I am not sure if this is the case with yourself, but I think people have a misunderstanding of counterattack +30% in this game and confuse it for counter edge. Counterattack refers to attacking enemies that are in an attack animation which is pretty much constant when it comes to bosses and counter edge is the fancy counter attack after a perfect dodge. Counterattack +30% is generally accepted as the best damage booster for boss battles at the highest difficulty.
@@ehabib oh that thing. Forgot about that :p. Yeah definitly increases the damage. A bunch.
They are all good but if you got the demon weapons you gotta focus on your 4
Shione better be at the top of this list or ima be upset
Funny, late game party was Alphan, Shionne, Dingell and Kissara. Law would just die most times and Do happier I kept in reserve for when bodies start hitting the floor.
*Rinwell
Never knew Shionne can do massive damage, really only used her for healing while Alphen and Rinwell do the damage
Rinwell is the character I got more surprised from, she’s much much more strong than Magilou except for the stealing art ability which works much more in Berseria, (seriously Magilou could solo any caster in the game by spamming R2)
The only real problem I got with Law and Dohalim otherwise they’re nice characters is that they have to few artes compared to Alphen. (Kisara has a lot more then Dohalim and she’s useless)
Dohalim is kinda the jack of all trades but Eizen was too and he was incredibly strong. Law on the other hands has like 2 reliable attacks and nothing else, I have no reason why, I would’ve wanted to use him more but he never learned much from the beginning of the game.
So the choice for me was always Alphen and sometimes Rinwell when I wanted some range attack.
here for kisara, just give her the increase aggro skills and she does fine, Shionee died more than anyone for me, and Law dies untill you feed him defense and hp buff items for around 30 hours.
I find it odd that that you put Law in mid tier for being frail and having a shit AI, when Alphyn wipes out all of his own hp with every swing and his AI always runs headfirst into every attack, but he’s apparently God tier?
I use Alphen more as the striker because he buys time and stops enemies most of the time, i agree Shionne tres vientos are the most op art in the game and when you got the D.arm then is GG but i disagree with kisara as a low tier, well more like there is no low tier in the game it's more like the mastering of the character.
am I the only one who mained Kisara at the very start when she got available haha
Any plans for another star ocean tier list since SO6 is out in 8days as of this commenting
Yeah, I think I might do 4 before the years up, but we’ll see where I get.
@@locloudanerpg playing SO4 now, tring to see how far i can get before SO6 comes out
@@michaelclifton9498 nice! Here’s hoping 6 learned from 5 mistakes.
@@locloudanerpg what did you think of SO6's combat so far?
@@michaelclifton9498 looks cool. I love how many party members you can get. I think exploration can be really fun if done right. Which character are you thinking of picking for your first play through?
Try running a team with law kisara dolahim and the mage guarantee you that battles are easier. Unless you don’t know how to use law then your screwed
Dohalim Best Boi...and "That Uncle"
While fucking around with mods.
Alphen + Art Canceller mod = INF DDF SPAM.
While no character in this game is specifically useless, I'm glad you put Alphen & Shionne in the same tier. They'd be top tier in any Tales game honestly.
I want you to know I bought this game because of your video ❤
Really! That’s awesome. Though its not my favorite tales game, it’s pretty awesome. Also the DLC just came out. Enjoy my friend!
Usually, Tales games put 4 early characters in the party which are often the easiest and the best solid ones. The later characters are for more additions to make different combinations.
I don't quite use Kisara a lot because instead of dodging like other characters, she blocks. And i used to mistake her playing style. =)) And yes, her AI is pretty bad, despite a tanker, she dies a lot. I usually use Alphen, Shionne, Rinwell and switch between Law and Dohalim when i need more DPS or healing depending on situations.
Alphen is no doubt the god himself. His Burst is the best, can knock down almost every type of enemies in any sistuations. Spam full charging Incineration Wave all days. Spam Demon Fang and Double is fun as well. :V
Shionne has great AI. She takes care of herself pretty well. She dodges well and keeps herself alive almost the time. Long range shooter, caster and healer is good in Arise.
alphen is the best character as main or as back support. no other character even come close. blazing sword and reign slash both are just outdamage anything the team can throw at the enemies.
I just spam magic and evade as Rinwell
As a Shionne main, I couldnt agree more. If she's not healing, she shouldn't be on the ground. She has early KO prevention and she's great at dodging, so no need to worry about life bottles too much. I agree with the rest except Kisara. She's actually my second best character, but playing as her is kinda boring.
Being a Shionne and Rinwel main I feel validated.
Just for you my friend
Yeeeah Rinwell. No Magilou but still great.
You trippin. Dohalims principal outfit is the best in the game hands down! Lol
I main Rinwell. I almost never play a caster. So I figured why not. Shes cute. Also I downloaded a bunch of slooty armor mods.
Have you played Tales of Berseria? Magilou is a super fun caster to main.
@@FiveFingerOutfit Magilou isn't as cute
@@MuffHam Well that's a matter of taste for one, second i'm speaking on her in terms of gameplay, she's fun to play as. The "spell canceling" and spell absorber.
Where is Berseria tier list?😢
Coming 2024!
My team set was Alphen, Shionne, Rinwell, and Law. I only ever brought in Dohalim when Shionne was out of commission. Kisara was always benched. Only ever used her to stagger rampaging enemies. Getting her Arena stuff done was an absolute chore. She’s not fun to play as in the slightest.
My list would more or less be:
If I"m playing them If AI is playing them
1st Alphen 1st Rinwell
2nd Dohalim 2nd Shionne
3rd Shionne 3rd Dohalim
4th. Law 4th Law
5th Kisara 5th Kisara
6th Rinwell 6th Alphen (mainly due to AI killing themselves with blazing artes, if this could be prevented he'd likely be 3rd. Granted Velvet had the same issue in
Berseria which is why when I'm not controlling these 2 they're benched)
With that said I wills ay this even though Arise's combat system is my 2nd/3rd favorite after Hearts R and the Xillias the ally AI in the game is quite frankly trash, especially on higher difficulties as they constantly get themselves killed if you don't have them on the runaway option (they seemed to be tweaked a bit in the dlc that just released as they haven't died as much as in the base game on the same difficulty option but they're still not that great either).
I often use dohalim
Kisara, no joke
Hehe Alphen with Reigning slash and Warrior emblem slotted with 4 counter dmg 30%
We not playing Kisara she was very fun to control! Lol
Idc I still main Kisara and run as her cuz that butt is God tier
I don’t blame you
Yeah i was basic i controlled the main character alphen
okay. I always heard Lady in the water was bad, but WHAT
Haha it’s a trip for sure.
Just how much are you dying in this game!?
enemy can easy one shot you ...
@@mixapcpro9164 that's dumb then....
Shionne is my main.
put a brain dead amount of damage on alphen then spam reigning slash.
My experience with Law's ai is very different. Yeah he died a lot. But he was the only character consistently getting mystic artes.
Alphen probably died 2 times more then Law did. His ai is terrible, and did blazing edge attacks every 10 seconds and died.
Bump
It’s sad cause I fell in love with every character in the main cast and tales holds a special place in my heart since I was a kid, playing every title co-op with my cousins as we spent nights grinding through the game. The lack of co-op for this title was sad and I hope the next title is co-op
YES. I HOPE THEY BRING BACK COOP IN TALES GAMES.
I’m fine with them losing co-op since I never had anyone to co-op with . However they need to change the boss mechanics. Bosses were bullet sponges that the battle mechanics didn’t work for. Especially since the boss can just clearly walk out of your dps moves
@@glezard212 just because you didn't play it doesn't mean other people can't just accept right away💀
@@glezard212 Bro, I literally coop every single Tales game with my sister since Symphonia. We were severely disappointed when Arise was single player.
@@brazyfever787 but the majority of the people who play rpgs in general don’t play it for co-op it’s usually for single players only. Which btw Arise advertised itself as a single player game. Why buy and play it then get mad when it wasn’t what you wanted it to be?
Even though some characters are better than others I felt this game was actually fairly balanced. Although with DLC, Rinwell gets access to spells from Shionne and Dhohalim that she can't get otherwise.
Nah, kisara is awesome
as a kiara main i'm triggered she isn't in the broken tier, you're just too scared to admit it... great video anyway
Fururu Best
I just watched your video, and by instinct, I made the same final lineup as you. It seems that it was a no brainer as Dohalim served as like a secondary healer and caster to your already good healer and caster in Shionne and Rinwell.
But, I got to admit, Rinwell's character development and justification to her racist attitude came way too late. So even when I use her a lot, I still don't like her as a character. Lol!
kisara as AI is bad.
controlled she's incredible and pretty OP. Alphen is arguably shit tier as AI.
True especially if your not careful about his hp he’ll spam fire attacks and die super quick
@@glezard212 Alphen plays like he has a death wish on AI. Best AI I'd say is Shionne she plays herself really really well.
But Kisara is a straight up bully controlled and I didn't even do a ton of perfect blocks, she mitigates so well just blocking and her shield charge mech that gives hyper armor plus attack boost is great.
@@mrdarkstar3756 I know ✊
Eh Arise's AI was just bad period....easily the worst in the series with only maybe Symphonia Raine being on par with how suicidal the ally AI was. Throw in the fact that the party AI strategy menu was party based and not individual character based, which is likely where the issues occurred, and you get the only aspect that's bad with the game's combat: ally AI...hell can't even say AI in general as the enemy AI works quite a bit smarter than many of the past games, it's just your party that gets fucked.
As for best AI in the series: Hearts R or Xillia 1 and 2 (Xillias definitely has the best or more accurately broken OP wise healer, Elise, in the series).
Honestly the game's only real issues were the AI, side quests mostly being boring fetch/one off job board hunting quests, the final dungeon being a pain to explore, and the final 10 or so hours of the story dropping off quite a bit from the moment you get to the end of Lenegis (personally I would've just kept going with the Renans are the bad guy and made the last Sovereign the main final boss even if it's more generic...the logic would've been more solid imo...could've even added the Great spirit being used by him to do soemthing like stealing Dahna's life force to revive Rena...oh and Vhorlan should've either died at the end of his region or when you see him in Lenegis...he never should've popped his head in for 1 final BS fight. The forgiveness aspect also should've been cut out as they had a better message at the end of region 3 where Kisara more or less said she didn't forgive the Renans for the BS they did however she will try to move on for the sake of the future with Renans and Dahnans living together. Outside of those story bits though the story was solid...granted Almeldria/events related to her were annoying like a Disney Queen style of annoying though which is NOT a compliment lol).
@@mrdarkstar3756 Velvet's the only one with a more suicidal AI than him given her AI will use up all HP until it hits 1 before ending the Berserk form...well there's Raine too who's stupid enough to run up to an enemy to smack it with her staff far too many times even when her TP is at more than 75%...probably the only other AI out there worse than those 2 in the series tbh.
Everyone is low tier,except dohalim.
Biggest flaw of Rinwell in the party… you got to deal with the most annoying tales character in recent memory.
I wish I Arise never existed
well to me Tales of Arise is the worst tales game in terms of replayablity, story, end game content, and the first to have payable dlc arte.
Alphen is the weakest
No one's best in Tales of Arise.. The storytelling is some of the worse in the franchise. The characters are pretty bland and monotone.. There's nothing wrong with the voice actors, the writing is just THAT bad.
So all the cool characters suck in youre opinion. Got it.
I'm very sad I've never been able to get into a tails game since vesperia there's always going to be something about the characters and their specified class choices and loadouts in comparison to all the recent tales games where everyone's just a magical shounen character :/
What the fuck are you talking about
Since Vesperia? I mean I'm with you when it comes to like Zestiria and onwards because to me it's then on that the combat have felt still, limiting, convoluted for the sake of being different when it comes to the other characters that isn't the main one (the main offender being Berseria, every character that is not Velvet feels terrible to use), and lacking options when it comes to the amount of artes, so much so I haven't been able to replay them after beating them once as much as I enjoy the characters story wise.
But Graces f have my favorite battle system, it's really good and every character is fun to use (even tho I have my 3 favorites), followed by Xillia 2 which is really fun combat and story wise. Hearts R is another one with great combat, and imo has the best strategy menu in the series and I hope they would bring it back because you can customize that thing so well the ai feel like it's 3 steps ahead of you doing exactly what you want them to do at the right time. So there has been great games after Vesperia