Why I am moving away from pon
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- Опубликовано: 17 фев 2024
- Many people have been wondering why am I moving away from pon and finally I am ready to be the villain and tell you why. Also, there are gonna be a lot of dead roots here, so not for the faint of heart.
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Why does the thumbnail not say Pon Voyage?
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Think about it...
that's something to ponder
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When I started watching plant videos, it was for the purpose of learning more about specific types of plants and their basic needs (light, water, soil, humidity, etc). I remember so clearly as they each began singing the praises of pon. I had to shrug my shoulders, and say..."oh well, I cannot afford to do that huge change on my fixed income."
So, I never did the big transition...and now, more and more...I am grateful. I make enough mistakes on my own, let alone trying to figure out what else could be wrong. I am truly sorry about your precious hoyas that went through the stress or damage. I hope in the months ahead, especially as the weather turns nice again, that you will find healthy plants and your heart will be encouraged as you do what you know is best for your plants. 🙂🌱🌿
There are many that did well, and still do. But I find it unreliable, and also... unnecessary. I could grow them well in organic mixes too :)
Very interesting. As someone who is just now getting into PON, I respect your experience and opinion. I like having a heads-up so I can restart my plants if they start to decline. Thanks for the video.
I have around 300, and have had similar experiences in pon! As you pointed out, not everything likes pon. Especially the thin leaved varieties, long term beyond 12 months. A root crisis begins, then the foliage begins to yellow. Lasiantha and Praetorii both absolutely hated pon. Upon transplanting back to a heavy perlite/ potting soil mix…growth resumed and began to thrive. A complete mixed bag! It’s forever a guessing game from one to another. The heartbreaking losses are what are hardest to take….especially those that weren’t inexpensive!
I do have to disagree on the purpose of laptops. They are for stickers.
Oh! I thought they were cat rests.
No, they are for people who think they have a computer.
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For tiny root plants (like hoyas), I use 1-3mm pumice in self watering pots. For medium root plants (like philodendrons) I use 3-6mm pumice in self watering pots. I have to use soilless substrate because of apartment living and soil is very messy. Tried leca but I don't find it works well for tiny root plants because the air pockets are very large, unless ur on top of the watering.
Hi Miro! Love your videos and appreciate your viewpoint on the Pon front. I have had a lot of success with pon after a lot of loss and issues with organic mixes. Even repots. While I don’t think I’ll stop using Pon, I’m still a huge fan of yours. You’re right, different plants, environments, etc yield different results. Good to know what to look for in case it happens to me. I’m so sorry for the loss of your plants. You have an amazing collection. Wishing the very best for your restarts!
This was really interesting Miro!
When I first looked into PON (I was intrigued by the hype) I never understood why so many people were taking their plants completely out of soil whilst the Lechuza website are very clear that you should not do so! 🤔
It's supposed to be a combination drainage layer and wicking substrate to bring moisture up to the soil as it needs it. I suppose you could use PON as a substitute for LECA in a semi-hydro setup where the bottom of the pot sits in water, but not in a self-watering setup.
I can't remember who it is but I watched a YT video by a PON fan saying "this xyz is still struggling after 1 year into transition... but we'll get there!" and I was thinking Transition? 1 year??? WTF! Dude, your (expensive) plant is dying a slow death!!
As far as success in small pots / failure in big pots, I think there's a limit to how far away from the water source PON can carry water effectively. That could certainly lead to dried and dessicated roots unless or until the plants compensate with more root growth... Would be interesting to test!
Funnily enough, I like PON and I use it in most of my self-watering pots. With my soil mix, the way Lechuza recommends, and it works quite well for me. Especially since I'm a chronic underwaterer and love calatheas almost as much as I love my hoyas!
I'm sorry you lost so many plants, I hope you can replace them soon.
I'm so glad you are sharing this. I'm doing the exact same thing with my variegated walliniana tonight. 😭 It's heartbreaking. I have 250 Hoyas. I'm so glad I didn't move them all to pon.
Thanks for this wisdom. I’ve been tempted with PON for the reduced watering load, but appreciate your explanation of how even if you get one successful transition, you basically are starting from scratch again when you pot up. And obviously it is so much more difficult when there is a lot of plant material to support. I think I will stick to using it for propagations. Sorry for your struggles.
This is so helpful. thanks!
So sad🙁 But a good warning, I also have some cuttings in Pon that should be repotted at one point. Now I know it can be a problem and react fast and maybe take some backup cuttings before repotting. Thank you Miro!
Thank you very much for telling this ❤ it helps me a lot 🙌🏻💐
Reading the comments so far you are totally right about the varied/misinterpretations. I think as plant growers we all have to take responsibility for the choices we make. With a large collection like yours it would be nice if all hoya would grow well in one type of substrate, but it may not be the case. That is part of the challenge or struggle whichever way you want to view it. I sympathize with you.
Because no Pon intended
I am thankful about your channel because you share with us what not to do !
I'm glad you uploaded this when you did!! I just got a deykeae in pon and was thinking of getting some for more of my hoyas.
Thank you for sharing beautiful and amazing plants lovely collection
I went through this the end of December with a lot of my hoyas (in pon) that I uppotted in spring 2023. It is one of the biggest losses felt thus far. When you pulled the walliniana inner variegated out, I could literally feel the heart break as you pulled😔 Thank you for doing this video, as I really felt alone and hopeless a couple months ago when I went through this. Here's hoping all our Hoyas thrive this Spring🤞😌🤞
Most of my Hoya's are doing great in Pon also. My Philos and Anthurium's and Alocasia's are doing great in Pon. I guess it is the weight of the pon on small rot systems only.
Great video Miro. Love the honesty. So many never share when they determine that what did work initially doesn’t anymore. I have also noticed the decline on many of my plants that I have repotted, which is so discouraging for those of us who are still learning and lack confidence. This video gave me some confidence that it potentially isn’t me that is slowly killing them. Thanks again….not giving up yet on hoyas ❤
Sorry this happened to you Basie. I hear you on all levels. Hope you work yourself out of the frustration and pain. 💔
I am all good , no worries :)
I am so sorry to see you so sad. Changing it back to what you feel confident with and what has worked for your environment is definitely your best bet. I hope to see an update on what you have been able to salvage.
It's really interesting to see which plants will do well in which substrate. Thanks for sharing. Good to know we're not alone with the experience!
Yes, it was a good learning experience :D
I am doing the same and removing pon over the next few months...glad I found this video!
So sorry to see you brokenhearted with what's happened to your precious hoya :( I grow some of my hoya in pon but never in self-watering and I always top-water. I tend to kill my plants with overwatering so this works for me - I water them, let them drain and put them in cache pots. I have repoted some recently as they outgrew their pots, curious of what will happen now that I've seen your video... Anyway, I hope you were able to save all of your hoya, if only by a cutting or two - you will grow them back, I'm sure.
Miro 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 thank you for discussing your issues with pon!!! I have had so much trouble with it. I swore it off also!!! I’ve been waiting for this video 🤣🤣 I’m also so very excited to watch you growing again in organic mixes!!! There are some channels I can no longer relate as all their Hoya’s, Alicasia’s are all in pon. I can’t relate anymore so no sense of watching 🤷🏻♀️.
You can deny the term "influencer" all ya want, and tell people not to be influenced, but obviously you are an influencer!😂 You're influencing me right now. I grow most of my hoya in pon or coco husk in self watering pots or no drainage, and I'm reconsidering!
You've influenced me in self- watering pots and trellis style because I cannot find my style. The hoya grow past the loops, hope and traditional trellis shape so quickly. I'm going to have to do something like what you do! I'm also considering just 4 posts. I'm terrible at trellising.
I appreciate your honesty and clear explanation on why you're not happy with pon. I never tried it and am glad. I did try LECA on some of my plants including a Hoya, and they are happy. I wish you and your plants the best!!! ❤❤❤
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. I hope you can save your plants. I’ve been experimenting with diy pon for about 8 months mostly with propagations and baby plants. Most of my plants are in a soil mix. I got too many of them to be transitioning every one to a new substrate especially when I have no experience with it. I recently potted up a Lacunosa prop from pon to pon and the leaves were soft the next day and I’ve noticed the same with some other plants. I took some cuttings but I might just move it into soil. I have noticed that maybe pon is too heavy for plants with small roots. But everyone has different environments and plant care styles. I will continue to experiment with all this in mind. I really appreciate the heads up.
I upsized my big Lacunosa and experienced the same thing, with soft leafs. I filled the pot with water, it’s swimming in water since a while back and the leafs feels firmer. Its the only plant I have had issues with, with pon.
@@wildegenius1 how strange. I’ve had a few Hoyas I was trying to prop just rot away in pon but I’ve had some success. I decided to move the Lacunosa to a soilless potting mix (Molly’s aroid mix) and the leaves are firm again. I don’t think I want to use pon for Hoyas anymore but philodendron and other plants with thicker roots seem to be ok. 🤷🏾♀️
So sad for your beautiful plants Miro, and kudos for being so honest with your experiences. I’ve used pon. I found it great for rooting cuttings, but not good for sustaining long term growth of mature plants. Like yourself, I’m moving away from it, and am reusing it for aroids which seem to have completely different roots. (I’m not a big aroid grower).
Your observations are always wise - thank you x
Sorry for your struggles! I’ve never tried pon, and after watching this I won’t bother. I use New Zealand tree fern fibre for my Hoya, and they seem to thrive in this (I also water them with fish tank water) and it’s a good combination that works in New Zealand for my environment
Ugh, I was sad to see you so sad. However, I know if any can be saved, you will be successful. Funny that you should be talking about this, because I recently had a long conversation with a grower much more experienced than me. We both lean towards a chunky, organic soil. Of course there are so many variables. Light, humidity, water, etc. I feel like a damn wet nurse, just trying to get my plants through the New England winters here. LoL
I truly appreciate these videos Nero, because no person or plant is perfect. We do our best...💕 💕 💕
I have transferred most of my Hoyas from pon to an organic mix over the last year. Very happy with the results. But I have a few that clearly like to be in pumice/lava rocks, and I have had to move them back to that. But they are so cute, that they are allowed to be demanding 😅 and I’m afraid to kill them again
Do you still keep your hoyas in self waterring pots?
that variegated walliniana is a stubborn one!! I don't think any type of substrate would matter. its just not a friendly plant
Have the same experience with it
I have been growing mine for a year and a half in pon and have one in LECA also. It is a plant that gets mad easily. 4 out of the 5 people I traded it with in my local group killed it. I am positive this is user error for him. And that is not because of my experience, but my research. It's unfortunate these people with large channels make videos without knowing how things work, they literally say that, then they convince others to stay away from learning the correct method. Even if they say they are not influencers, you will read the comments to see he influenced a ton of people. Eve from LECA Addict is the best resource for finding the scientific information on how this works. It's not hard at all. He clearly let the pon dry too much, and that is how dry rot happens. His wick placement, wick, or pot sucks if it is not keeping the pon evenly moist. I have no pon or LECA plants that look anything like his after two years. It does not work for 100% of plants, though. I love him and Fern, but people have to stop saying "I know nothing" and then continue to share their misinformed information. At least it would be nice if they did. How will this world survive with influencers dumbing people down and convincing them of nonsense. There are even studies on the harm this disinfo causes.
@@marierejoiceinjesus3846whats your method for re potting? I have had bad luck moving from pon into bigger pots as well. I cant figure out what Im doing wrong. Waiting too long? Root ball too compacted? Another issue I have is some of the roots that reach the water start to rot- some flourish? Why? Whats the difference? Those are my main issues. When I leave them in my really small pots they do fine until they are exploding and then eventually ik they need to be moved up and a good amount of the time, they die when I repot
What a synchronicity! For the past week, I've been in the process of starting Hoya all over again, from pon to organic mix! The problems you describe are exactly the same ones I've encountered. It's always, or at least the vast majority of the time, after repotting that problems arise and roots die.
Bye bye pon for my hoyas!
I'll continue to use it for my anthuriums, with which pon is not a problem but rather a success.
Thanks for your video Miro, and you're right, when we get to a certain point and have a large collection of plants, we just don't want to be bothered anymore!
Thanks for this, I've been so frustrated with my pon experiments. Lucky for me, I only got a gallon of pon from another plant friend, and tried it in several small self-watering pots. They have not thrived. I look around my collection at the ones that are doing well, and the plants that are resilient are the ones I potted in aroid mix.
For the past few months I've been going back and forth on transitioning a lot of my hoya collection to pon because it is so highly praised from what I can see. I've always been kind of nervous about it, which is why I haven't transitioned. This video is my confirmation to just stick to what I know and keep my hoyas happy the way they are! It can be so tempting to jump on a planty bandwagon, but it's just not worth the risk. Thank you for being honest about pon and the practicality of it long term!
I agree with you to each their own on the soil mix they use. If it works more power to them! I hope your Hoyas can jump back in a few weeks.
Hi Miro, I'm so very sorry for the experience you've had with pon. I was wondering if you ever used Lechuza pon before, and if so, did you have the same type of results.
I am now sooo much tempted to try to grow a plant in Lego :D
It is so refreshing to hear someone without some mealy-mouthed opinion who qualifies it it about ten different ways. Cheers from Iowa.
I transferred most of my plants over to Pon in the last year and I noticed that my Hoya are growing much better due the dry house conditions here. However, I’ve had problems with easy plants like Pothos transitioning them to Pon which is so weird.
I had a beautiful Snow queen pothos which died in Pon :( she was growing in water and I thought to give her a bit of pon to grow in... it didn't work
Yes, this just happened to me too but with a large Golden Pothos which I took out of soil (washed the roots) set in water for a week and then put in Pon and the entire plant turned black and died overnight, so I know exactly what you are saying! From now on I will always start with fresh new water root cuttings before I put anything into Pon because that was painful loss.
Hi Miro, you seem stressed in this video and I understand 💯!!! Pon hasn’t been the best in my experience either. I moved over 100 hoyas to pon and I moved back to soiless soil as this works best for me! Sending best wishes your way ☺️
U make my boring day better, dark or not, I love watching you
For me pon has been a great medium to activate plugs and get them growing in a trajectory that’s pretty efficient. I wouldn’t pot a large plant in pon or a plant that will go over 5 to 6 inches in a pot. I just don’t think it’s a substrate that works really well with plants that get larger (hence your dry rot problem) and in my experience plants that do get larger tend to do well in traditional mediums of soils when you up their pot sizes with rocky substrates with soil mixed in. So I understand your choice. And I wish you luck on starting new plugs from the dry rot plants.
I have the same problem with repotting in pon-even with a good amount of perlite mixed in-so not even as heavy. The problem I have with organic substrates is I can’t get the watering right. I might try no drainage with soil. Thanks for the vid & I hope your hoyas recover xx
Transparent pots did the trick for me 😊
Thanks for the information. Are you going to transfer to soil now?
I use orchidpon, also from Lechuza, which is for the moment much better for hoya than the regular pon. I know you are using your DIY pon so, most probably, not the same to compare with. Still, I did notice that the root system is not that great in any of the pon variants. Lately I was using TFF (tree fern fiber) and I am absolutely amazed. I find it to be an excellent rooting medium, let alone a growing medium. For rooting I use solely the TFF, for growing I use a mix of coco, perlite, pumice and TFF. The TFF, compared with other substrates, manages to keep the best humidity for the root system to develop nicely, also keeps the soil aerated.
Love the dramatic thumbnail 😅
I use pon in my cloning room. But rest of the house I’ve gone to a soil mix. I’m not responsible enough to keep track of 75 plants in pon.
I watched this twice now. I 100% agree pon is also not for me long term. I’ve ended up rerooting many of my Hoyas into either soil or leca.
Lol! My big hoya Cuminiana varigated actually spiraled!! I was in shock! It was planted in aroid mix. My hoya in pon are all (35) doing well but I also use Great White mycorrhizae and they have loved it.
Sorry to hear that your babies have been struggling and I hope that they recover.
I am curious if you mixed anything in your pon or did you use straight pon. Do you have any other type plants in pon?
Pon works well for me with most all of my plants, but i do things differently. First i always rinse my pon first, 2nd i always make sure the pon is in the bottom of the pot fully no barrier extra layer or lecca. The string goes about an inch up into the pon as well not laying at the very bottom. I never top water and always despite instructions bottom water as pon really absorbs and holds onto moisture. I use lightly fertilized water because pon looses its fertilizer within 6 months so its inert after that.
Plants ive top watered in pon have always rotted and needed saved. Anthuriums, hoyas, monstera, you name it all rot if ive top watered at all. Lastly ive propogated every plant ive recived and thats in my care and have planted multiples of every one into different medias, as a precaution because at this point ive suffered losses with soil, soiless mix, pon, lecca, you name it. No two plants are the same and genetics can and do vary so same species plants can like different things for different people or be more or less susceptible to issues.
Hey Miro! Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences - I have just over 100 hoya species and all are in the same diy pon mix (with added perlite). I have had very similar experiences so it was both a relief and sadness to watch this video.
I made the switch to pon mainly for two reasons: self-watering and pest prevention.
Do you notice a difference in pests with your hoyas in organic mix?
Miro, I’m sorry you have lost some beautiful plants. I have a few plants in pon and I struggle to determine just how wet it is in the middle of the pot when the top is dried out. I’m sure some of mine are too wet and some are too dry. The only plants that seem to do well in it are my pain-in- the (you know what) begonias.
Miro, I could see the utter devastation in our face when handling that walliniana💔 I almost cried 🥺 I appreciate sooo much that you shared your experience! 🙏 I have great experience with pon for my aroids. It works really well for all my philodendrons that I transitioned, nevermind if babies or bigger plants, and it is like heaven for alocasias, they just thrive in there so much! So I tried it on hoya as well. I moved an australis to pon and recently I purchased a caudata in seramis, and while they are both growing, I am super unsure whether I am doing it right. Like are you supposed to keep water reservoir on the bottom at all times, like I do with my aroids? Or do hoyas need to dry out and then be watered from the top? I just don't know😬 Growing in pon has been very intuitive for me, but not with hoyas. I think I won't be transitioning any more hoyas into pon for now🤷
Wow this is such a blessing. Dry roots along with leaves struggling to open. My summer glory just wasn't flourishing. My alocasia regal shield has been ok. I'm taking my florida ghost and my glorious. Just not rooting very slow growth. I thought it was just me. Thank you its not just me lol
Hi Miro. Thanks for sharing your content. I'm so sorry about your plants in PON. Must be hard to see.. I wanted to mention, could it be the mix of pon you made? Was not evenly distributed or could the material be to big, or strong for the plant? I'm so sorry again your going through this.. 😒 And love your content! 💚🌿
Im sorry for your experience. I've converted most of my hoya to pon over the last couple of years, but now some are struggling. My poor Mathilde is unhappy, and I've been trying to decide what substrate to use when i repot her
Thank you MiroYou helped alot with this video I got pon and have been unsure all of mine are in organic mix I think I will flag the pon I have based alot of my hoya growing on your knowledge and I'm doing ok I think 😂
I have recently moved some of my hoyas to pon because I am SO criminally bad at watering them. I always end up with thin dehydrated leaves. It's too early for me to say how the switch is doing but this is a nice cautionary tale and I will keep an eye on them.
Im sorry for the decline of those lovely plants. i have been noticing the slow and stunted growth after repotted with pon. Im trying find another soil free substrate. Because i can't go back to soil and risk having bugs, especially since most of my hoyas are in bedroom.
🥲I have always mistrusted Pon or Leca for Hoyas, just watched another video where the person was repotting her Hoyas that were in Leica and they had root mealybug. I’ve been rooting Hoyas in half perlite with half tree fern and they seem to appreciate the mix. Good luck recovering all of your beautiful Hoyas.
Ive never tried leca or pon, it all seemed way too hard for me - like ph balances, flushing, feeding, special pots, water temperatures etc etc. Like it seemed you need to be a crazy scientist to make it work 😅
I actually found myself transferring some of my hoyas from pon to chunky organic mix lately because they seemed stunted in growth or going downhill. Funnily enough like you say it's been also around 2 years since I have most of these hoyas in pon.
So sad for the lost plants :( I gave up on leca a long time ago--it never worked for me. I also noticed that silence where no one seems to grow in it anymore and no one really talked about it...were we all too scared to say out loud "LECA SUCKS"?? But anyway this video is informative and I appreciate it, and I will light a candle for the deceased hoyas.
I now want to use lego. I have some and hate building with it heje. Amazing video
Pon and leca scare me. Got to admit. I love the smell of potting mix
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So what soil mix will you be using going forward? Will you do a video on that?
I have never used pon. It just seemed too much trouble. Im so sorry your plants dying.
I think my big lesson learned in 2023 for plants was that just because a plant grows and puts out a leaf, doesn't mean it's thriving or growing the best that it could. Semi hydro had many lessons. I lost an Anthurium Veitchii using the same wick pot and substrate and mostly the same fertilizers as HakunaLaPlanta (the wick also never got the leca/pon fully wet and there was almost instant mold, making me have to go get a fan); I saw slow growth for many of my plants when copying the same glass vessel semi hydro technique as unplantparenthood and youdontevengrow here (not to say it doesn't work, and no hate to them they make good videos, but the plants DID grow at a slower rate than previous years). I saw the same hoya roots you did. I found philodendron did well in leca and water in a glass vessel but anything "harder" to grow like anthurium really slowed down in their growth. Many of them grew nice roots but no leaves or growing leaves so slowly I could tell the situation was something they were putting up with, rather than thriving in. Like I have a friedschthalii I bought in August 2023 that has not put out a leaf but has grown roots fine. Now I do semi hydro with plastic pots nested in glass vessels, or the old basic gardening pots I started with. I am mixing my pon, perlite and leca with tree fern fiber and soil now, just for drainage. Like all this experimenting with inorganic substrates and semi hydro just to learn that a lot of my collection could have had better growth, and only my philodendrons really grew like normal. And most of these plants were in semi hydro between mid 2022 til these past few months. All had plenty of time to acclimate.
Nooooo!!! I'm getting a lyi bend tomorrow and was hoping to transfer to pon! I have like 80% of my collection in pon and goes great so far - but I have to say certain hoyas (like my lacunosa), really hate pon. I get root rot tho, not dry rot. I had made an experiment with retusa as well. Retusa + pon is a BAD combo. Btw, in order not to get dry root, besides watering from top, I'm also puting the wick up high in the pot, so it has enough moisture throughout.
growing in lego? why am i upset that this isnt a thing? :-D sounds awesome!
I can say that when you take a plant that was in soil and put it in water and then put it back into soil later on...mine died and that was a pothos -all 3 and they were in my fish tank and did great then soil again and died I think the roots get very weak in the water
I don’t have much luck growing in pon. The only plant that has thrived in pon is my Sodori. 🤷🏻♀️ just recently transitioned some plants back to soil. I only have a couple more to go…I think I only had 12 transitioned into pon. I did mix in quite a bit of perlite because the pon was so heavy and I was worried about the roots. I only purchased one bag of pon. I have had good outcome in rooting plants in fluval. But again I do a 50/50 mix.
I have exactly the same experience with pon. 😢
i feel so devastated for you. i've had to cut and prop my big cystiantha splash and my megalaster recently. 😔
Have you tried Tree Fern Fiber? I have just started using it. I mixed it with Fluval Stratum and such wonderful results.
I’ve heard that only thick rooted plants work in Pon. I guess many Hoya roots are too fragile . However there will be people who don’t have that experience, so goodness knows what the answer is . I decided to stick with a chunky organic mix because it just ‘feels’ right to me.
I am with Kathryn I may have watched the same video it was so tragic I really felt terrible for her am scared to do lecca or pon my great grandmother always used soil for her plants
i'm growing in leca and i like it 😁
My Alocasias love pon so, so much - but Hoya has never seemed a correct fit, to me.
I never got the pon fad. Hoya are bush plants, not desert plants that live in rocks. I am now rooting in a pon type mix but that is because I don't like spag moss or tree fern sticking to the roots and holding water and rotting roots. I prefer a jungle mix in my pots, but we don't have a very good section of self-watering pots here. Very expensive and hard to find. Pon just seems like dead medium. gives no nutrients to the plants. Great video, as always. Thanks.
I agree, it just doesn’t seem right for Hoyas. Maybe the fine roots get squished & can’t pull the water to them..🤷♀️ Yes, same here, when they’re not happy it’s a fast spiral..🌀😵💫
Pon may have its uses in a mix perhaps. I have many small leaf hoyas and as they are purchased as lightly rooted cuttings they need plenty TLC. Recently I shifted to adding fluval a substrate used in aquariums. That seems to be filling in where pon does not. It is not as heavy and full of nutritional value. My small leaf babies are still developing. My challenges have been that the small cuttings would not thrive in the substrates they were purchased in. Coco coir has been a problem with three other larger hoyas. So back to the drawing board. But I do think Im getting results from the fluval with pon and fluval is great in aquariums and terrariums. Its working. Oh and I do top water and I do mist. Thank you Miro for showing what you have learned. It is very helpful to see those sad roots. We want roots! And coco coir well thats an issue too.
I personally have not had many issues with coir, but then again, everyone's experience is different. In one of my next two videos I will show some different plants in self-watering pots in coco coir and perlite, in pon, in bark, moss and pumice, jus pumice and then pure coco husk :) You can mostly make anything work, but what I really cannot stand is not knowing which Hoya will tank when repotting from smaller pot to larger pot in pon.
@BasiePlants that's a challenge knowing what hoyas will transfer into what vessel. About coco coir....I have issues knowing how much moisture it's holding onto. It can be dry on the top. And yeah like you said by the time you know your hoya is struggling the roots are shot.
But I'm liking fluval for the babies.
I have a dozen or so hoyas and grow them in a mix of orchid bark and regular potting soil (at least 70% bark), and sometimes I add perlite when I have it on hand. Most of them like it, except for my hoya curtisii which cannot figure out what she wants 😂
I only have very common hoyas and they are still in leca. Its been years and I only repotted 1x but my sunrise is huge. So yes, if it works...
Pon saved my Rotundiflora and Mathilde. My thing is wick placement. And that’s my trick and tip. I tie a zip tie in the center of the wick so it becomes a handle. I plant the Hoya in the pot with the wick drawn up into the roots and I use the “handle” I created to get the placement just right. I never, ever leave the wick on the bottom. Seriously don’t do that. Draw that wick up 🔝 into the roots. Also pre saturate the wick as well. For now things are going well. It may not be the Pon, it may be the wick. I also use a thick wick material.
I have a lot of pumice so I've been linking of off coco peat and pumice instead of perlite. I hope that works. I just like pumice some of breaks apart less.
Did you transfer them from soil straight into PON? I'm curious as I’ve lost plants with a straight transfer but not when I water rooted first.
These were all rooted in pon. The root rot/ root damage occured when I was transferring very root bound plants from 8cm pots, to larger pots. It is less likely to happen if the plant is not so root bound.
I killed many of my hoyas including other plants with leca and Pon.
Omg! I was just thinking about that same video.
😢 RIP 🙏 🪦 😌 ☹️
I killed half my plants this winter because of leca. It's great for the summer but gets way too cold during the winter.
Long time i think i am to stupid to use pon right, but now i know i am not alone. For rooting its fine, but long term its kills my plants. I have to rerooting all my pon hoyas because of the bad roots. Its so sad i lost 20 hoyas last week
I have never used pon and don’t plan to 🤷♀️
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Not me watching this while repotting in pon 👀
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Oh no , how frustrating after all that care they had , growing in their small pots of pon . Have you come up with a better mix than the pon , for these bigger pots ?
I still have hoyas in leca...😀
I'm curious, did you only use selfwatering pots with a rope in the bottom?