When I started skating in the early 2000’s, the thing that made professional skateboarders cool to me was the mystique. You’d get to see a video part once every few years and the only glimpse you got of their lifestyle was the occasional magazine interview. You could follow your favorite skateboarder’s career for years and not even know what their voice sounded like. Their skill spoke for itself.
this honestly applies to so many other things as well. we’re a lot more drawn to people when we create this great image of them in our head, and when we see reality, its just more disapointing/lamer
9:43 “Skateboarding requires you to earn your stripes. And the people who end up down the line are the people who really like it. So what you end up with is people who are really passionate about what they do.” I’m using this in a paper, bro. Thank you. Yes, you’ll be cited
There's constructive criticism and there's being an A hole. Toxic positivity? What's wrong with skating just to have fun? That is the most toxic thing I've ever heard of. Its hilarious watching the guys in the corner spend their day talking shit about other people at the park. But I guess you do you.
Man Joa's brain operates on a level of clarity I'll never have... the way you explain every opinion to the smalles detail is impressive regardless if someone agrees or not
Chopped up vlogger monologues set to lofi chill beats actually stress me out. It honestly approaches the uncanny valley at times. People like George are turning themselves into social media cyborgs. Seriously, it's so unnatural and almost dehumanizing. The fact that you do very little eliminating of gaps in speech is just another reason why I like your channel so much.
Why do you think he ate magic mushrooms to "find himself" aka have a ego death? Because moving to NY to drink expensive coffee and skate skateparks and being a phoney dork for clicks destroyed his soul. George is a culture vulture and a total dork. His parents are probably rich and are definitely paying for his wanna b "NY skater lifestyle" while he tries to "find himself"..
I think it comes down to these successful RUclips skaters not having anything real interesting to say, gifted haters video are good and we like to listen to him talk because he talks to and addresses very interesting topics and articulated his opinions well, and you either agree or disagree and it starts a conversation, but on the other hand some people like RUclips skateboarding to watch skateboarding, whether they are watching really good skaters, supporting skaters at the same or worse skill level, it’s kind of an interesting market when you really analyze, I’m personally on both ends of the spectrum, I like John hill because he’s really good and I mainly watch his skating and not the rest of his video, but I like watching the local joe because he’s genuine about his passion (even if he gets real click baity), and I like to watch him progress while I also progress, it’s a weird dynamic
Gatekeeping is pog because it keeps tourists from coming in, changing everything about the culture, and then leaving everything fucked up when they get bored and move on to the next thing. When you are forced to prove you're really about it, it makes it actually have value and longevity. It turns a hobby that's "popular" into a part of who you are that has merit and value, not just a way to make a bag on that RUclipsr "grindset". Gatekeeping is the purity test that turns a hobby into something that creates meaning in people's lives and community in a way no RUclipsr fandom could.
Ok, now apply the same logic to your community, your language group, your ethnocultural group with a shared history and culture etc. Oops, we lost you. You want all these things to be eradicated by endless migration. But you did sum up the argument perfectly
@@nicholasfitzgerald395 Having gate keeping in a hobby doesn't mean I want it to exist in every other facet of life. Skating is a subculture, no one is suffering by not being allowed to come and and change a sub culture. Are you that entitled you think everyone has the right to everything? Or do you think every subculture should just be filled with people who don't care at all ruining the integrity of it for everyone else?
@@joshshaner3114 I'm saying you are making a perfect argument against unrestricted immigration. If you believe it for skating then naturally you will believe it for more important things like community, ethno-cultural group, shared native land and history, etc. This is an intelligent opinion to have, and was basically standard for all peoples since the dawn of time. And still is across the world today. Beware tho because if you adopt such a common sense view all of your lefties friends will abandon you and hate you and want to ruin your life. Just for saying a group should be allowed to decide who comes into the group and who doesn't. Amazing time of dishonesty the current year
@@ttt69420 I'm just saying it's right that groups can decide who comes into the group and who doesn't. To protect the thing that they love. The same should go for everyone. But to say this you will be cast out of the skate community (ironically) cos you have opinions that make logical sense.
Yes exactly. I enjoy some of the skateboard channels but there is NOT 1 RUclips skater that is up to par with an actual am/pro skaters. To compare Dying To Live and Baker3 to any RUclips skating is absolutely disgusting. I do enjoy Gifted tho! 🤙👍
Jeff Grosso- " you may own a skateboard and you may "be good" at playing with it. But that alone doesn't make you a Skateboarder!" And if you can't understand that. . Than you just don't understand
That doesn’t make sense and is gatekeeping. “You may be good at skating but tou have to be a certain way for me to consider you an actual skateboarder”
@@colin6603 @@colin6603 there needs to be some gatekeeping. Get over it. Do you ask the concrete to be nicer when you hit it? If you don't get the quote than you just don't get it. It isn't hard to understand. Skateboarding doesn't need to be tame for you or anyone. " it's good times with homies" " it's individual " " not a sport " " is a sport". It's also pain. it's a gift. It's a curse. As much happiness it brings , it brings strife. Misery and sometimes Laying in bed thinking about a trick every night that to someone else is sick but when you're not happy with it yourself it makes you want to focus your board but you don't cause you love it. Take the board and do whatever with it. It's a toy. I open my arms at the park and help the homies younger than me. And there are real dicks there. Unpleasant people who burn the session with bad vibes. I know that when I skate or go to park. . I'm there to skate. I don't turn my nose up at any one cause we're all on our own journey.
@@colin6603 Technique and spirit are two different things. Not only in skateboarding but in everything people do, from martial arts to music, there are people who are talented but soulless and don't give a f about the real meaning of what they do. Call if gatekeeping, then gatekeeping is good.
Using the term "onboarding" in the context of getting people into skateboarding is bone chilling. The perfect example of disingenuous HR/finance bro vocabulary; clunky double-entendre, vampiric recruitment firm mentality *chefs kiss* we got it all with this one
I know you say skaters don't like phony people but let's be honest, a lot of the phoniest people I've ever met have been skaters😂 Buuuuut..... on the other hand a lot of the best people I've ever met have been skaters so lets just say skateboarding tends to attract some intense personalities.
Man talking about corny skaters ,, have you ever checked out that Ben Degros guy? what a nerd... PS. Ben you'll always be our number 1 skate dad :) thankyou for all your videos
The reason I fell in love with skateboarding was because I felt like kind of an outsider in school. Not like the “weird kid” but I just felt like I didn’t have anything in common with a lot of people and in highschool, most of it is “clique” based and I just felt left out. When I found skateboarding, it became something I could enjoy by myself and I was finally in the same position to disinclude people who weren’t on my level. Call me an asshole but I feel like a lot of people identify with this and this is how the whole attitude of skateboarding became a thing.
these are the car fax. when i was younger id get clowned for skating and now its "become" this really cool thing to do. best part is there are no free line skips with how good you are. its also fire to be able to make friends in any city solely because of it
Yep! At my high school there were 4 other skaters, all older than me and I didn’t even fit in with them too well BUT we would skate the parking lot at lunch and get hassled for giving cars a hard time. Skating was about having fun in the face of banality and people just going with the motions, it still is! I love the feeling of spreading a good time across the city, hopping over sewers while everyone’s bummed out lol
Im turning the corner from 48 to 49 soon....and this kid said EVERYTHING that needed to be said. When I started we were the equivalent of lepers. I've waited years to hear someone put it this way ever since skateboarding started gaining actual popularity. George would have never survived 5 minutes in the world of skateboarding in the 80s and 90s. Gifted Hater you are my favorite new obsession. PLEASE keep this channel going always and PLEASE keep preaching the really real realities.
Who gives a shit if George wouldn't have existed in a time that is already passed? Do you feel validated or vindicated some how over that? I used to get called skater fag and shit at school but I don't need to use that as some sort of gatekeeping metric to measure those who like skating now and are some how "soft" or act like I want a fucking reward over it.
positivity is easy to capitalise on, people will forever need reassurance in any way possible and youtubers tend to fill that gap. most people don't like change and especially don't like changing them selfs; so getting validation from a "influencer" is going to make them feel content in their way of being. its easier to tell someone that they're doing good compared to telling someone you're doing bad.
Bro you cannot leave pre-vlog skate RUclips out of this. Helmet man 9000 Josh Katz, Jeffwonsong, fuckin rich kid Woodward edits, RUclips skating pre-vlog was rich in culture.
Working at a skate shop, I was able to influence and build up my local skate community in a way more meaningful and direct way than any vlog style skate RUclipsr ever could. And I never had to get an electric scooter sponsorship to do it.
George literally started exposing a bunch of spots in DC it’s cool if he Skates them but telling everyone on TikTok negatively affects skaters in the DMV and nothing happens to him cause he’s not from here. the dude is literally ignorant to the community he is part of
@@ianturnbow7011 I agree. He doesn't deserve to have his ass kicked but he most definitely deserve to be kicked out of any spot by any skater at the first opportunity
Great point made around the 12:15 mark about the ideals of skateboarding. It's also so true about the 'earning your stripes' aspect being a part of things too. I'm really not the most skilled skater but I'm super in love with skating. I think it's good for the cool kids to exist too because they really do deserve it. They're into skating truly just like every other "real" (for lack of a better word) skater, only they're fucking sick/badass/highly skilled on top of it
A good case for what you're saying about making yt videos that aren't corny vlogs are the old MAJER crew videos. They made very popular videos, but I definitely thought they stayed within the "core" community for the most part. Yes, they probably dropped a few "like & subscribe"s but those dudes were gnarly skaters and it didnt feel like they were trying to play the yt game too hard
@@alexscott6068 nyjah is ur example of a core skater??? His nfts, his gaming ads, literally everything about him is far from core. what are u smoking ?
As someone who has just recently got into skateboarding I’ve always felt that other skaters were pretty nice or just kept to themselves whenever I’m at a skatepark or interacting with skaters. Seeing people complain about skateboarding being restricted and gatekept while skateboarding was my first step into expressing myself more is dumb.
Skaters are human and humans can really suck they van also be pretty cool main thing is to enjoy yourself and go with the flow I do t get to skate much anymore im 30 have 2 kids but when I get to skate I enjoy it so much just me and my board I do miss skating with friends sometimes but I enjoy it just ad much as when I started, be yourself and everything will work out I wish ya well man keep at it
I’m all for gatekeepers in skateboarding but let’s distinguish between a gatekeeper and an asshole. A gatekeeper is someone who will call out a kid for snaking everyone in the bowl or tells a kid to not push mongo. An asshole makes fun of a kid for learning how to drop in or purposefully gets in front of someone when they’re trying a trick. Be a gatekeeper, not an asshole.
That’s not a gatekeeper; that’s just a person at the skatepark lol the word has a solid definition. It boils down to prohibiting access, and teaching/informing is not prohibiting access. To me, gatekeeper and asshole are synonymous.
@@nikkibodcrane1 good point but gatekeepers don’t just say no to everyone. They would filter people through this said “gate”. Allowing some but not all. That’s where I draw the line between the two.
The super positive attitude isn't sustainable because older people see right through that shit and the younger audience who likes it grows up and starts to see through it too. People want a real person because that's relatable
I started skating during the Ray Barbee era, when I saw Ban This, it blew my mind.. as a black Hispanic kid back then, because I’m old as toob socks, I knew what I wanted to do soon as I saw his part. I would skate every day/night, watch that VHS tape over & over & over again. Watch anything skateboarding, even SkateTV.. yes, THAT show.. anything skateboarding I was there. I saw that era, experienced it, but when the 90s came!? I came.. into my own, that era was legendary. You had to earn your place, because skating wasn’t accepted like it is now.. many of fights, and many of nights being torn apart by sketchy spots, and even sketchier flashlight cops & actual cops. But, it was an extraordinary time for skating.. my point is, I’m so old that these social media skaters actually triggers me.. how tf can you be so sensitive, entitled, and lack everything skating represents? It’s more about influencing, and numbers, not about the actual culture at all. Man, I’m old af. On the positive side of things, Gifted Hater is a fresh breath of secondhand smoke, while he tells truths about these individuals that love huffing their own farts, while being so self absorbed their nose is protruding through their anal cavity- nostrils rimming their nutsack.
dude I just gotta point something out. I'm wrapping up my degree in Sustainability Studies this May and you quite literally understand and articulate the subject as it relates to something better than most people In the program.
I’m in metro Detroit and I wanna shout out modern, people, and south street. These shops keep the local scene alive and try to create a better community for all of the skaters in Michigan. Core skating isn’t about being able to do amazing tricks and being pro. It’s about going out and being passionate about skating. That’s what these shops do and that’s what skating is about. It’s not about RUclips sponsors and corporations. It’s about getting people passionate about a sport that is so creative and free. I’m not super great at skating, but I go at least twice a week because I’m passionate about it and I feel like I have a community of people that have my back and want to see me succeed and progress.
There is another aspect of RUclips skaters that has always bugged me and it's how they've grabbed on to the entrepreneur hustle mindset. I remember watching old John Hill videos and he was like always at coffee shops and talking about hustling and doing side gigs to get his money up. George, Andy Schrock, a lot of others are the same way. It's just never felt super relatable or authentic to the skate community. Yeah skaters are all about DIY and making their own shit but it usually doesn't manifest itself in sleek coffee shop, Steve Jobs hard on, always optimistic hustle mindset BS. They feel like they're just making stuff to make stuff, not because there is any purpose to it.
Agreed! RUclips used to be a lot more “down to earth” and now it’s mostly $$ grabbers. Not all, but some. Gifted is kinda gifted with being a combo of core and social media along with a couple other channels.
i don't really mind the "entrepreneur hustle mindset" to an extent because i mean, it's every skater's dream to either live off skateboarding or find yourself in a position where you can dedicate more of yourself to skateboard without much compromise. Shit begins when said mindset is used to create something that's close enough to leech and profit but not close enough to take responsabilities.
Well there’s two sides to the entrepreneur take. On one side, its fucking whack how they follow the same algorithm as successful youtubers to gain a following. But on the other, as a skater, I know that I’ve never been able to jive with having a mundane full time job. Skaters make the best entrepreneurs. Just don’t be fucking cringe about it.
I agree. having side hustles is fine, in fact I myself do a lot of other stuff besides skateboarding, but painting it as this perfect sigma male grindset is just fucking stupid and always seemed fake to me. recently unsubbed from a bunch of people such as GP and John Hill
I remember watching MAJER Crew and all their videos were pretty entertaining in my opinion. There was actual skating and progression in pretty much every video
The cariuma "team" came to my local like 6 months back and the vibes felt so off. Tyler Peterson was actually pretty chill guy and so was leandre, but they pretty much took over the skatepark in a tasteless manner. It wasn't even a demo, they were doing they were just there to skate. It definitely confirmed my beliefs in cariuma being fucking stupid.
I really felt your point when you said that the kid in the comments wouldn’t have quit skating if he actually liked it. I used to go to a super jocky/preppy uni, and whenever I’d be skating a pad or a ledge on campus, I’d always get heckled and have slurs thrown at me by the neanderthals there. That shit never deterred me from continuing to skate, and I stayed getting clips 😎
I didn't have a strong connection with the other skaters in my little town when i started around 88 or 89. Some of them were even bullies to me. Did that stop me from skating and making friends with other skaters? Hell no. Still going in 2024.
This was a great video. I really enjoyed the points you made. I am just getting back into skating (about 9 months now) and I was obviously pretty ignorant to the community when I got back. It’s been helpful hearing your takes on things to help me form a more educated opinion
same here, man Tater rly opens my eyes to an honest perspective and he's like the voice of the more experienced skaters around me, to me he's just saying what they're thinking
Right on, I went from obese to beast by getting back into skating. Lost 80 lbs and in the best shape of my life. However, 3 years into skating again, I'm 30 years old and finding I can't progress like I used to because the injuries just hit different. Still progressing though, won't stop
@@ryanbamford2425 you’re not alone dude. I didn’t have the weight issue to contend with getting back into skating but the injuries do hit different. Sucks because it’s so much fun skating, plus I’ve been able to do more tricks now than probably 5+ years ago. I’m 36 this year as well, so as much I feel confident when you hit the deck it’s like ah shit that really hurt!
@@ryanbamford2425 I can relate to the injuries, not the weight though. Fell off a roof at my last job, changed careers, got health insurance and got a board. It's frustrating when your sessions can only be an hour or so a day before your knee gives out. It's not the destination it's the journey man.
I've been skating for 20 years and have refined and articulated my principles to a fine, razor sharp point. I believe that your perspective is absolutely money. The cariuma shit goes deeper but ultimately great points were made. Glad there's still people out there of the younger generation that can think critically and understand what's pertinent, and what's at stake, not being so dramatic and reductionist.
3:01 Yes, Felipe Mota is a core skateboarder and appears on Luis Mora's channel and now even rides for Erased. It's great content from an actual core skater. Luan Oliveira regularly makes apperances on the brazillian Sobreskate channel by Guilherme Abe. Awesome skate videos, from actual core skateboarders who do youtube in a non-cringey way.
This is me too, I hated Braille and revive tho cause i had core friends, but I definitely enjoyed Chris Chan and garret. I liked Chris when he first started RUclips cause he was doing something different, what made him popular was trick challenges which no one was really doing back then and I also like garret back then cause he reminded me of myself and was also a really good skater who would always seem to eat shit but wouldn’t stop trying the trick he wanted. He was also doing weird click bait stuff but it was more like skating off my roof on fire instead of like Braille’s gummy worm grip tape shit
skating since 94 and you're the first skate youtuber original & interesting enough to listen to :) feels like having a convo with a smart young skater at a spot/park. i could see someone doing it big on youtube with a 'comedians in cars' type format, considering how productive some skaters are now; hang with a guest & get serious clips in one session
I also think its ridiculous to compare RUclipsrs to Reynolds and Jamie Thomas - a big part of the reason these legends have these huge brands is also because they fuckin killed it on a board and their actual skateboarding accomplishments drew people in to want to support their brand. As much as I don't necessarily hate braille and revive, how they got to where they are is through a path that is pretty much the same as RUclipsrs who get a lot of followers in any genre outside of skateboarding. They may be equally or more successful financially than the legends, but that in no way means the skateboarding community owes them the same kind of recognition and respect.
"Toxic positivity" is a form of shaming, and is extremely inauthentic, it limits personal development. The heights of ones happiness can be measured by ones ability to recall the 'bad times', it's a form of appreciation and gratitude, grounded in realism. "Integration" is the key to confidence, the understanding that sometimes challenging things happen and you have the ability to adapt, because you have overcome adversity before.
Making it in skateboarding is being creative and having fun on your skateboard. Sometimes that’s what your friends are doing, other times what you’re doing is completely opposite. I enjoy watching some vlog style videos once in a while, I mostly watch old videos on the Skate Video Vault channel. Whatever keeps you stoked on skating.
My 2 cents: As someone who grew up skating, I don't really understand the big hoopla around social media/RUclips skaters. Do I watch them? No, but that's mostly because the content doesn't appeal to me, and I also have a very hippie vibe towards skating in that if what you're doing makes you happy and you feel like you're expressing yourself authentically, knock yourself out. But I'm also in a weird position where I stopped skating for four years while in college and when I stepped on a board again for the first time I completely lost my sense of self-worth because I lost everything. So for those first few months, I did watch Andy and John and Garrett because it felt more open and palatable for someone who felt genuinely anxious about practically starting from scratch (I wouldn't even skate the park if anyone else was there because I felt like a chode). I only say that to say this: the "gateway" nature of these channels is real or at least it was five years ago. Yes, the "toxic positivity" thing can be corny and jarring once you're on the other side of things, but when you're in a slump or upset with your progression, people that project that energy can really help keep you going. Like, because of those channels, I forced myself to stick through the discomfort. It's been five years since then and on top of getting everything back, I'm continuously learning new things I couldn't even do prior to my hiatus, and strangers at the local spots are constantly showing me love. I can't say how kids are getting introduced to skating, but I wouldn't be surprised if channels like Braille still play *some* role, and if so, cool. The ones who *really* fall in love with the culture will undoubtedly drop those channels in favor of something more "core," and the ones who realize they were disillusioned will drop the scene altogether and move on to something else. I'm a prime example of the former and shit like this didn't even exist when I was a kid. I don't know. This is definitely a really interesting topic because I feel like skating is one of, if not the only, sport in the world to have this weird diving line that exists within its participants.
i also think that you can't totally discount skate youtubers (especially channels like braille) because they genuinely do so much for beginner skaters with their tutorial videos. i think that accessibility is what will help keep skateboarding alive. yeah a lot of the content is cheesy, but they're helping form a new generation of skaters, that's cool to me and always will be. tbh i really dislike any form of elitism, and i would hate to see anyone turn away from skateboarding because they feel the culture is too harsh. if we want to keep skating alive, we need to learn from each other and try to understand where different people are coming from. at the end of the day, we can agree to disagree and still enjoy skating. its not that deep.
a lot of the popular youtuber skaters i feel like started doing things genuinely, like even braille was JUST tutorials at one point but then it turned into trash when it got popular and they turned to youtube vibes instead of just being a skater
I didn't realize before this video that Joa is the only dude that makes any skate-oriented videos on RUclips without any of the cliches or bullshit. he's created the counterculture on RUclips in my opinion because he's the most prevalent
I've only just started watching Joa's content and he's a breath of fresh air. These fucked up white privilege sociopaths need a wake up call. He doesn't just call them out on their bullshit, he fucken chops them down right back to reality
@@BrunoOfCanada The counterculture is the way that every other skate youtuber tries to make everything awesome or inclusive without any lense of realism or critical thinking. there’s no one to counter that’s why it’s counter culture cuz it’s the way of people we’re not against anyone the people who want skating to go forward are the ones who will look at what’s wrong and want improvement or even just to suggest improvement and look at what happen with FA not that Joa influenced it but he called Nakel and Dashawn leaving that’s just either really well timed, both them saw the video, or it was well thought out and either way it leaves people polarized by the great projections he puts out at times
it's interesting that george says he doesn't look at or care about what core skaters do at all and then is confused that there is a divide. like dude you just illustrated the divide yourself. you're in a different lane and that's fine but to say there shouldn't be an us vs them mentality when you don't take part in the community you're representing is wild. i think it's perfectly possible for skaters to be accepted on youtube. they just have to be authentic and have style. i don't know if i entirely agree with you about gatekeeping being a great thing though. like yeah skating is cool cause it's hard and has a tight-knit community but no one looks good being an asshole about it. live and let live and the best will still naturally rise to the top.
Maybe it's just because I'm not from the US but I don't think I've seen anyone drinking St archer, or the coconut water brand, it really surprised me When I heard he made crazy money off it.
As probably one of the rare people who transitioned from watching RUclips skaters to watching actual core skateboarding content (to then getting my first board), the reason why I've gravitated towards actual skating is because of the authenticity that kind of cultivates in lots of skaters. The biggest reason as to why I grew out of mostly all big skate 'vlog' content is because of the lack of any not manufactured personality. I think the biggest problem with 'social media' skaters is that they become the RUclipsr over the skater, instead of the skater over the RUclipsr; lots of them not understanding their place like you alluded to. Being on the internet has led me to feel more involved in this community because of faces like yours, with you kind of existing in this limbo state of talking about situations in skateboarding, but not having the years of alienation as a social media star for your opinions (as a skater being a skater) to be uninformed
Honestly I feel like it’s not that uncommon for kids these days to start out watching skater vloggers and then transition to more core stuff. As cringey as RUclips skaters can be, I do think they help grow the community which I’m always a fan of.
Definitely not rare man I started off watching YT vlogs and stuff too. I just didn’t know any better and it’s what YT recommended me but the content was always so lame it kinda allowed me to transition into cooler stuff like street parts. Highly doubt it’s rare with kids these days
One of the reasons why I love the tater so much is because of videos like this. Keeps it real, hilarious, whilst knowing that the world ain’t all sunshine and lollipops....unlike cariuma positivity Georgie p....also the Scientology edit sent me😂
Despite the negative connotations I truly respect RUclips and social media skaters, yes they are entirely different then what most of us grew up with but they truly are helping carry skateboarding and getting more younger people to get into it and that truly should be recognized and appreciated
I love this but ngl I'm gonna hate a few years from now when new skaters are trying to gatekeep and "keep it core" in their last resort / frog fit because they grew up watching Joa
this channel is the destruction of the 'youtube' / 'core' dichotomy in real time because it's correcting all of the violations from the youtubers of yore and showing kids how to be 'an authentic skater'. brands will be at your doorstep in no time
Thank god your teaching us all some critical culture and sense making, because the way things are going the vast majority of people are not thinking critically about anything much these days just going along to get along
I remember when my friend in class was showing me Joslin's my war when he treflipped the davis gap and that shit blew me away, I got home and realized I needed to start skating
They’ll never understand that the core side of skateboarding is really the lifeline of what transitions it from a hobby to a lifestyle, as you said, the heart and soul of skateboarding. Skating would be weird without the core side. If cariuma approached as a skater owned brand and started being sold in skate shops, the take on them I’m sure would be different. It makes me think of the GX1000 crew. From crew to brand. From a group of friends in SF to one of the biggest things in skating as of recent years, creating their own pros, on their own boards, that started small and got big. THAT is what core skating is about. Not about some outsider big dick company stickin it in with some money to try and capitalize off a culture.
I’ve ran into George a few times at brooklyn skateparks. He seems to be very guarded and on high alert at all times. Unfortunately he must feel he can’t let the guard down or he will be attacked by someone or something. On the other hand I’ve ran into some of the best pros of all time. They seem to not need to have a wall up. George has to protect himself and his content at all costs or it crumbles. It’s not a great lesson or approach to teach the youth.
@@dadboard it’s sad. I don’t like talking about decent people like this. He’s not a bad guy just confused and not helping himself by posting nonsense like that.
@@dadboard I met him at blue park, calling him a narc is a bit harsh. he's aware that core skaters think he's corny and has a chip on his shoulder about it. seems like a regular dude outside of that though.
I’m a scooter rider and even I think the skating community needs gate keepers in their sport, it’s what makes skateboarding, skateboarding. I grew up both skating and scooter riding eventually sticking with a scooter instead of a board it obviously took me even longer to “earn my stripes” then someone who just rode a skateboard but I wouldn’t have it any other way, it’s the sole reason I still appreciate and have the upmost respect for skateboarding.
It all boils down to “Skaters don’t like phony’s” lmao the most beloved personalities in skateboarding are the most authentic ones. That’s prob what made the crail couch so popular cuz it was just skaters sitting down and talking
I don’t even skate but I watch all your videos because your takes are always spot on and I find them to be applicable to almost any sport. You clearly deserve way more subscribers and I’m sure if you had sold out like other RUclipsrs doing dumb ads and clickbait titles you would have 100k+ by now, but as you’ve shown that’s not a sustainable way of creating a long term fan base. Thank you for being honest and authentic. Very refreshing and cool to see
Interesting vid, i think you make a lot of sense and George's video wasn't all that cohesive. But one important thing I think you i think you are forgetting is whether we like it or not what "keeps the wheels turning" in skating isn't really the core skaters... purely from a financial standpoint at least. The new skaters, randoms buying thrasher hoodies, moms buying Christmas completes and people buying anime colab decks are the things that actually bring enough money into skating to make anything possible for anyone. The culture will always come from the core but if it goes back to this small niche thing, very few will be making a living from skateboarding. It's also worth mentioning there will always be this 'space in the market' for Braille/Revive type of content to exist and you are not the target audience. I wouldn't watch Dora The Explorer and critic how terrible of show it is for me because it is doing a good job serving its target audience. It also makes me a bit sad to see Mikey get so much hate (maybe its justifiable with his new path and demeanor or maybe not) up until very recently he has been on the forefront of core skating or 20+ years.
I think Joa is aware of this. His point is that those companies are only able to make money selling skateboarding to kids (their parents) because skating is desirable and cool, but, crucially, skating is only desirable and cool because of the image and lifestyles of core skaters. That image has proven to be sustainable over many decades in a way that this new, shallow, timeshare-Ferrari, social media skate culture will never be. Now is that core skate culture with its emphasis on partying, substance abuse, and complete disregard for physical safety sustainable for its actual participants? That is a whole other can of worms I think. . .
@@joshyoerger5271 The image, culture, and appeal of skateboarding has been sustainable for so long due to big mainstream companies appealing the image to such a wide audience and getting them initially interested. This has been going on for decades with the "cool" image of skating being at the forefront of popular culture, and you could make the argument that skateboarding started "selling out" many years ago. You can trace a huge boom in the popularity of skateboarding back to the Tony Hawk games alone over a decade ago. From a purely economic and free market standpoint, skateboarding would simply not continue to exist if it was limited to a niche and gatekept market, since like it or not, companies like Braille generate a lot of revenue and attention to the culture and keep it alive for the younger generation. "Core Skating" purism/elitism is not logically sustainable at all.
39:04 it's not one side of skating versus another, it's skaters vs youtubers. He's a RUclipsr first, and it's obvious. He'd drop skating forever for a big check
Seeing someone doing push-ups and back flipping whilst trying a generic spread eagle tre to flat is fricking hilarious, that would make my day at the park better I can’t lie😂
When I started skating in the early 2000’s, the thing that made professional skateboarders cool to me was the mystique. You’d get to see a video part once every few years and the only glimpse you got of their lifestyle was the occasional magazine interview. You could follow your favorite skateboarder’s career for years and not even know what their voice sounded like. Their skill spoke for itself.
Yep show don’t tell
this honestly applies to so many other things as well. we’re a lot more drawn to people when we create this great image of them in our head, and when we see reality, its just more disapointing/lamer
This is every Tom Penny video or clip I ever have seen. He’s like a mystical creature.
@@grandmasteraj855 that was one who came to mind. Living legend and man of mystery lol
Yeah it's really weird how old vets like Cab responds to randos on IG.
4 dudes wearing hats indoors
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Hats have been a skateboarding thing since ed templeton
We're not in the victorian era.
George Polous skates likr his dad allows him to as long as he's back for dinner at 6pm
9:43 “Skateboarding requires you to earn your stripes. And the people who end up down the line are the people who really like it. So what you end up with is people who are really passionate about what they do.”
I’m using this in a paper, bro. Thank you. Yes, you’ll be cited
🗣🗣
Plan B sucks bad bro
Toxic positivity is the perfect definition of what's wrong with that side of skating.
Those same toxic positive people are the ones instigating and causing problems. *cough nine club *cough *cough
100%
@@therealwewin dude if only the nine club was real af like Prison Talk with Big Herc lol
There's constructive criticism and there's being an A hole. Toxic positivity? What's wrong with skating just to have fun? That is the most toxic thing I've ever heard of. Its hilarious watching the guys in the corner spend their day talking shit about other people at the park. But I guess you do you.
@@jeff61177 if people only talk about the good parts you miss A LOT of valuable information.
Gifted hater has the best takes. Dude is basically teaching a master class in skateboard theory. Thank you for all your work.
Man Joa's brain operates on a level of clarity I'll never have... the way you explain every opinion to the smalles detail is impressive regardless if someone agrees or not
yo I just watched one of your videos lol
@@nathanclark9722 haha how was it?
@@localjoe great, love your vids. You’re getting really good and it’s pretty motivating honestly
Even tho im an aggressive rollerblader, ur videos motivate me to go train hard more consistently✊🏽
That Heelflip manual tho
Chopped up vlogger monologues set to lofi chill beats actually stress me out. It honestly approaches the uncanny valley at times. People like George are turning themselves into social media cyborgs. Seriously, it's so unnatural and almost dehumanizing. The fact that you do very little eliminating of gaps in speech is just another reason why I like your channel so much.
Why do you think he ate magic mushrooms to "find himself" aka have a ego death? Because moving to NY to drink expensive coffee and skate skateparks and being a phoney dork for clicks destroyed his soul. George is a culture vulture and a total dork. His parents are probably rich and are definitely paying for his wanna b "NY skater lifestyle" while he tries to "find himself"..
I think it comes down to these successful RUclips skaters not having anything real interesting to say, gifted haters video are good and we like to listen to him talk because he talks to and addresses very interesting topics and articulated his opinions well, and you either agree or disagree and it starts a conversation, but on the other hand some people like RUclips skateboarding to watch skateboarding, whether they are watching really good skaters, supporting skaters at the same or worse skill level, it’s kind of an interesting market when you really analyze, I’m personally on both ends of the spectrum, I like John hill because he’s really good and I mainly watch his skating and not the rest of his video, but I like watching the local joe because he’s genuine about his passion (even if he gets real click baity), and I like to watch him progress while I also progress, it’s a weird dynamic
Gatekeeping is pog because it keeps tourists from coming in, changing everything about the culture, and then leaving everything fucked up when they get bored and move on to the next thing. When you are forced to prove you're really about it, it makes it actually have value and longevity. It turns a hobby that's "popular" into a part of who you are that has merit and value, not just a way to make a bag on that RUclipsr "grindset". Gatekeeping is the purity test that turns a hobby into something that creates meaning in people's lives and community in a way no RUclipsr fandom could.
Well said
Ok, now apply the same logic to your community, your language group, your ethnocultural group with a shared history and culture etc. Oops, we lost you. You want all these things to be eradicated by endless migration. But you did sum up the argument perfectly
@@nicholasfitzgerald395 Having gate keeping in a hobby doesn't mean I want it to exist in every other facet of life. Skating is a subculture, no one is suffering by not being allowed to come and and change a sub culture. Are you that entitled you think everyone has the right to everything? Or do you think every subculture should just be filled with people who don't care at all ruining the integrity of it for everyone else?
@@joshshaner3114 I'm saying you are making a perfect argument against unrestricted immigration. If you believe it for skating then naturally you will believe it for more important things like community, ethno-cultural group, shared native land and history, etc. This is an intelligent opinion to have, and was basically standard for all peoples since the dawn of time. And still is across the world today. Beware tho because if you adopt such a common sense view all of your lefties friends will abandon you and hate you and want to ruin your life. Just for saying a group should be allowed to decide who comes into the group and who doesn't. Amazing time of dishonesty the current year
@@ttt69420 I'm just saying it's right that groups can decide who comes into the group and who doesn't. To protect the thing that they love. The same should go for everyone. But to say this you will be cast out of the skate community (ironically) cos you have opinions that make logical sense.
Georges Poilos has that "disable dislike button" mentality
Yes exactly. I enjoy some of the skateboard channels but there is NOT 1 RUclips skater that is up to par with an actual am/pro skaters. To compare Dying To Live and Baker3 to any RUclips skating is absolutely disgusting. I do enjoy Gifted tho! 🤙👍
@@memorysometimers3067 Tated Gifter is cool *yes*
Hahaha
Jeff Grosso- " you may own a skateboard and you may "be good" at playing with it. But that alone doesn't make you a Skateboarder!" And if you can't understand that. . Than you just don't understand
Rip that great man
That doesn’t make sense and is gatekeeping. “You may be good at skating but tou have to be a certain way for me to consider you an actual skateboarder”
@@colin6603 @@colin6603 there needs to be some gatekeeping. Get over it. Do you ask the concrete to be nicer when you hit it? If you don't get the quote than you just don't get it. It isn't hard to understand. Skateboarding doesn't need to be tame for you or anyone. " it's good times with homies" " it's individual " " not a sport " " is a sport". It's also pain. it's a gift. It's a curse. As much happiness it brings , it brings strife. Misery and sometimes Laying in bed thinking about a trick every night that to someone else is sick but when you're not happy with it yourself it makes you want to focus your board but you don't cause you love it. Take the board and do whatever with it. It's a toy. I open my arms at the park and help the homies younger than me. And there are real dicks there. Unpleasant people who burn the session with bad vibes. I know that when I skate or go to park. . I'm there to skate. I don't turn my nose up at any one cause we're all on our own journey.
@@colin6603 Technique and spirit are two different things. Not only in skateboarding but in everything people do, from martial arts to music, there are people who are talented but soulless and don't give a f about the real meaning of what they do. Call if gatekeeping, then gatekeeping is good.
Using the term "onboarding" in the context of getting people into skateboarding is bone chilling. The perfect example of disingenuous HR/finance bro vocabulary; clunky double-entendre, vampiric recruitment firm mentality *chefs kiss* we got it all with this one
Nice use of vamp. Shoutout to all the Playboi Carti skate editors out there.
haha I feel you on this one dude. My job title 'onboarding co-ordinator' is just double speak for 'email shuffler'
i swear giving ppl a free set of used indys does more than anything or shoes nvm offering insights.
I know you say skaters don't like phony people but let's be honest, a lot of the phoniest people I've ever met have been skaters😂
Buuuuut..... on the other hand a lot of the best people I've ever met have been skaters so lets just say skateboarding tends to attract some intense personalities.
Man talking about corny skaters ,, have you ever checked out that Ben Degros guy? what a nerd...
PS. Ben you'll always be our number 1 skate dad :) thankyou for all your videos
@@amberruby4896 😂❤️
What does this carpenter guy know about skateboarding
@@amberruby4896 lmao
@@Chabon209 Little of this little of that
The only skateboard youtube content that matters: Ben Degros and the almight Rad Rat
Daddies right there
Rad rat good historian.
you're forgetting the ultimate chad skate debunker "Rat Vision"
@@vgrepairs that mf will upload his next video when my son graduates college 😂
Hell yeah
The reason I fell in love with skateboarding was because I felt like kind of an outsider in school. Not like the “weird kid” but I just felt like I didn’t have anything in common with a lot of people and in highschool, most of it is “clique” based and I just felt left out. When I found skateboarding, it became something I could enjoy by myself and I was finally in the same position to disinclude people who weren’t on my level. Call me an asshole but I feel like a lot of people identify with this and this is how the whole attitude of skateboarding became a thing.
these are the car fax. when i was younger id get clowned for skating and now its "become" this really cool thing to do. best part is there are no free line skips with how good you are. its also fire to be able to make friends in any city solely because of it
Yep! At my high school there were 4 other skaters, all older than me and I didn’t even fit in with them too well BUT we would skate the parking lot at lunch and get hassled for giving cars a hard time. Skating was about having fun in the face of banality and people just going with the motions, it still is! I love the feeling of spreading a good time across the city, hopping over sewers while everyone’s bummed out lol
so tru man
When skateboarding was a outsider pursuit and it was almost illegal. Loved it
Everyone loves to be “different”
Yesss hes back on the free platform
GIFTED HATER FOR THE PROLETARIAT
If you want more he’s dumb data too. A little different but similar vibe.
@@Throawei he is dumb data?
@@Throawei different guy entirely lol
wait does he has only fans?
Im turning the corner from 48 to 49 soon....and this kid said EVERYTHING that needed to be said. When I started we were the equivalent of lepers. I've waited years to hear someone put it this way ever since skateboarding started gaining actual popularity. George would have never survived 5 minutes in the world of skateboarding in the 80s and 90s. Gifted Hater you are my favorite new obsession. PLEASE keep this channel going always and PLEASE keep preaching the really real realities.
Who gives a shit if George wouldn't have existed in a time that is already passed? Do you feel validated or vindicated some how over that? I used to get called skater fag and shit at school but I don't need to use that as some sort of gatekeeping metric to measure those who like skating now and are some how "soft" or act like I want a fucking reward over it.
@Burner Account reading comprehension is clearly not your strong suit.
@John Johnson He’s right though
Facts
Turning the corner your in the highway bro all love tho 😂
Now he can actually make a video where he got roasted
Thank you!
I swear, as an older dude, I found myself going, “Wait… Do kids these days not know what it means to roast someone?” Ha!
It's all you bro. You took their job!!!!! 🤣🙌
naw, I still watch you also.
@@StandbyCymbalist :)
@@vancouvercarpenter u are the goat
@@Azthxny You're too kind. But thank you🙏
@@vancouvercarpenter you are the best
positivity is easy to capitalise on, people will forever need reassurance in any way possible and youtubers tend to fill that gap. most people don't like change and especially don't like changing them selfs; so getting validation from a "influencer" is going to make them feel content in their way of being. its easier to tell someone that they're doing good compared to telling someone you're doing bad.
I’m gay
@@liamstallingz6374 you’re doing bad
@@bongwatur lmaooooo
69th like 👍
Honestly just want someone to tell me I’m bad so I can get better 😂
Bro you cannot leave pre-vlog skate RUclips out of this. Helmet man 9000 Josh Katz, Jeffwonsong, fuckin rich kid Woodward edits, RUclips skating pre-vlog was rich in culture.
Working at a skate shop, I was able to influence and build up my local skate community in a way more meaningful and direct way than any vlog style skate RUclipsr ever could. And I never had to get an electric scooter sponsorship to do it.
Atta be.
lol
and what did you do?
background is clearly a flex of that 7 figure Patreon salary
😂
@@luibond9418 that one light makes it all to obvious
😂😂😂
This aged like wine. Look where Braille is today.
no one is better at analyzing speech and conversation than you, the way you describe mikes mindset has me dead
"you sound like a cartoon character trying to sell me a fcking condo" i died 😂😂
@@Pwki7F lmao so witty
George literally started exposing a bunch of spots in DC it’s cool if he Skates them but telling everyone on TikTok negatively affects skaters in the DMV and nothing happens to him cause he’s not from here. the dude is literally ignorant to the community he is part of
he does it here in new york too
Is that why all I see is skate stoppers in the city now :/
I’m not saying beat his ass. This shit isn’t cool and leads to spots getting shut the fuck down.
@@ianturnbow7011 I agree. He doesn't deserve to have his ass kicked but he most definitely deserve to be kicked out of any spot by any skater at the first opportunity
bro im from the dc and he has had no effect on any of the spots, what are u talking about
Great point made around the 12:15 mark about the ideals of skateboarding. It's also so true about the 'earning your stripes' aspect being a part of things too. I'm really not the most skilled skater but I'm super in love with skating. I think it's good for the cool kids to exist too because they really do deserve it. They're into skating truly just like every other "real" (for lack of a better word) skater, only they're fucking sick/badass/highly skilled on top of it
A good case for what you're saying about making yt videos that aren't corny vlogs are the old MAJER crew videos. They made very popular videos, but I definitely thought they stayed within the "core" community for the most part. Yes, they probably dropped a few "like & subscribe"s but those dudes were gnarly skaters and it didnt feel like they were trying to play the yt game too hard
And ultimately probably why it ended. They just got bored and stopped doing it instead of forcing it and running it into the ground.
I agree. Nka Nigel was another I can think of. Honestly Nyjah puts out raw core street vlogs. Any more you guys can think of?
@@alexscott6068 nyjah is ur example of a core skater??? His nfts, his gaming ads, literally everything about him is far from core. what are u smoking ?
Comparing dudes with RUclips vlog Chanels to being the modern Andrew Reynolds is literally insane
George "kook" Poulus after that statement: "I could not agree more"
whole ass documentary lets go
John Hill reminds me of a used car salesman
VERY UNCANNY VALLEY DUDE
As someone who has just recently got into skateboarding I’ve always felt that other skaters were pretty nice or just kept to themselves whenever I’m at a skatepark or interacting with skaters. Seeing people complain about skateboarding being restricted and gatekept while skateboarding was my first step into expressing myself more is dumb.
Skaters are human and humans can really suck they van also be pretty cool main thing is to enjoy yourself and go with the flow I do t get to skate much anymore im 30 have 2 kids but when I get to skate I enjoy it so much just me and my board I do miss skating with friends sometimes but I enjoy it just ad much as when I started, be yourself and everything will work out I wish ya well man keep at it
@@kevo3985 thanks man I hope you get to keep enjoying skating too!
I’m all for gatekeepers in skateboarding but let’s distinguish between a gatekeeper and an asshole. A gatekeeper is someone who will call out a kid for snaking everyone in the bowl or tells a kid to not push mongo. An asshole makes fun of a kid for learning how to drop in or purposefully gets in front of someone when they’re trying a trick. Be a gatekeeper, not an asshole.
That’s not a gatekeeper; that’s just a person at the skatepark lol the word has a solid definition. It boils down to prohibiting access, and teaching/informing is not prohibiting access. To me, gatekeeper and asshole are synonymous.
@@nikkibodcrane1 good point but gatekeepers don’t just say no to everyone. They would filter people through this said “gate”. Allowing some but not all. That’s where I draw the line between the two.
@@nikkibodcrane1 then you dont understand what gatekeeping is
The super positive attitude isn't sustainable because older people see right through that shit and the younger audience who likes it grows up and starts to see through it too. People want a real person because that's relatable
Dude I just wanna say I get a genuine sense of excitement when you upload. 40 minute gifted hater vid after a 10 hour shift? lets gooooooo
I started skating during the Ray Barbee era, when I saw Ban This, it blew my mind.. as a black Hispanic kid back then, because I’m old as toob socks, I knew what I wanted to do soon as I saw his part. I would skate every day/night, watch that VHS tape over & over & over again. Watch anything skateboarding, even SkateTV.. yes, THAT show.. anything skateboarding I was there. I saw that era, experienced it, but when the 90s came!? I came.. into my own, that era was legendary. You had to earn your place, because skating wasn’t accepted like it is now.. many of fights, and many of nights being torn apart by sketchy spots, and even sketchier flashlight cops & actual cops. But, it was an extraordinary time for skating.. my point is, I’m so old that these social media skaters actually triggers me.. how tf can you be so sensitive, entitled, and lack everything skating represents? It’s more about influencing, and numbers, not about the actual culture at all.
Man, I’m old af. On the positive side of things, Gifted Hater is a fresh breath of secondhand smoke, while he tells truths about these individuals that love huffing their own farts, while being so self absorbed their nose is protruding through their anal cavity- nostrils rimming their nutsack.
"watch out for cracks and rocks."
dude I just gotta point something out. I'm wrapping up my degree in Sustainability Studies this May and you quite literally understand and articulate the subject as it relates to something better than most people In the program.
College doesn't mean a thing if you lack common sense.
I'm sorry, but sustainability studies sounds like a useless garbage degree (no pun intended).
50k in debt, to work at Whole Foods! Re-think your goals
I’m in metro Detroit and I wanna shout out modern, people, and south street. These shops keep the local scene alive and try to create a better community for all of the skaters in Michigan. Core skating isn’t about being able to do amazing tricks and being pro. It’s about going out and being passionate about skating. That’s what these shops do and that’s what skating is about. It’s not about RUclips sponsors and corporations. It’s about getting people passionate about a sport that is so creative and free. I’m not super great at skating, but I go at least twice a week because I’m passionate about it and I feel like I have a community of people that have my back and want to see me succeed and progress.
Literally everything about this comment
u forgot plus
Almost every MI shop is like that actually, it’s amazing. Love from a fellow native.
There is another aspect of RUclips skaters that has always bugged me and it's how they've grabbed on to the entrepreneur hustle mindset. I remember watching old John Hill videos and he was like always at coffee shops and talking about hustling and doing side gigs to get his money up. George, Andy Schrock, a lot of others are the same way. It's just never felt super relatable or authentic to the skate community. Yeah skaters are all about DIY and making their own shit but it usually doesn't manifest itself in sleek coffee shop, Steve Jobs hard on, always optimistic hustle mindset BS. They feel like they're just making stuff to make stuff, not because there is any purpose to it.
Agreed! RUclips used to be a lot more “down to earth” and now it’s mostly $$ grabbers. Not all, but some. Gifted is kinda gifted with being a combo of core and social media along with a couple other channels.
i don't really mind the "entrepreneur hustle mindset" to an extent because i mean, it's every skater's dream to either live off skateboarding or find yourself in a position where you can dedicate more of yourself to skateboard without much compromise. Shit begins when said mindset is used to create something that's close enough to leech and profit but not close enough to take responsabilities.
W take
Well there’s two sides to the entrepreneur take. On one side, its fucking whack how they follow the same algorithm as successful youtubers to gain a following. But on the other, as a skater, I know that I’ve never been able to jive with having a mundane full time job. Skaters make the best entrepreneurs. Just don’t be fucking cringe about it.
I agree. having side hustles is fine, in fact I myself do a lot of other stuff besides skateboarding, but painting it as this perfect sigma male grindset is just fucking stupid and always seemed fake to me. recently unsubbed from a bunch of people such as GP and John Hill
Why is Steve Smith from American Dad's live action NFT critique channel talking about skateboarding all of a sudden? I'm so confused.
Hahahaha
lmfao this got me
I remember watching MAJER Crew and all their videos were pretty entertaining in my opinion. There was actual skating and progression in pretty much every video
Those Halloween edits were classic YT skate montages
The cariuma "team" came to my local like 6 months back and the vibes felt so off. Tyler Peterson was actually pretty chill guy and so was leandre, but they pretty much took over the skatepark in a tasteless manner. It wasn't even a demo, they were doing they were just there to skate. It definitely confirmed my beliefs in cariuma being fucking stupid.
Robots?
That doesn't surprise me. Kooky.
Thanks papa tater ! I can use these opinions as my own when I argue with 15yr olds at the skatepark lol. Excited for your part to drop
40min video on George Poulos. Gonna have to cancel date night.
Edit: Big fan of George.
Thanks for the headsup dad
Of course a non core youtuber supports another non core skater youtuber.
i know this isnt true because george fans dont talk to women
@@killthesowrd7988 you’re assuming it’s a cisgender man on a binary heterosexual date?! I’m PC, bro. I’ll fuckin’ throw down.
@@ianturnbow7011 corny af bro sound like an uncle
I really felt your point when you said that the kid in the comments wouldn’t have quit skating if he actually liked it. I used to go to a super jocky/preppy uni, and whenever I’d be skating a pad or a ledge on campus, I’d always get heckled and have slurs thrown at me by the neanderthals there. That shit never deterred me from continuing to skate, and I stayed getting clips 😎
Idk how or why someone would heckle someone for skateboarding...even years before I started skating I always thought skateboarding was cool as fuck
I didn't have a strong connection with the other skaters in my little town when i started around 88 or 89. Some of them were even bullies to me. Did that stop me from skating and making friends with other skaters? Hell no. Still going in 2024.
the fact that braille is the first thing that pops up when you search skateboarding, pissed me the fk off and still does
This was a great video. I really enjoyed the points you made. I am just getting back into skating (about 9 months now) and I was obviously pretty ignorant to the community when I got back. It’s been helpful hearing your takes on things to help me form a more educated opinion
yall need to collab
same here, man
Tater rly opens my eyes to an honest perspective and he's like the voice of the more experienced skaters around me, to me he's just saying what they're thinking
Right on, I went from obese to beast by getting back into skating. Lost 80 lbs and in the best shape of my life. However, 3 years into skating again, I'm 30 years old and finding I can't progress like I used to because the injuries just hit different. Still progressing though, won't stop
@@ryanbamford2425 you’re not alone dude. I didn’t have the weight issue to contend with getting back into skating but the injuries do hit different. Sucks because it’s so much fun skating, plus I’ve been able to do more tricks now than probably 5+ years ago. I’m 36 this year as well, so as much I feel confident when you hit the deck it’s like ah shit that really hurt!
@@ryanbamford2425 I can relate to the injuries, not the weight though. Fell off a roof at my last job, changed careers, got health insurance and got a board. It's frustrating when your sessions can only be an hour or so a day before your knee gives out. It's not the destination it's the journey man.
We need a 2024 version / update of this....
I've been skating for 20 years and have refined and articulated my principles to a fine, razor sharp point. I believe that your perspective is absolutely money. The cariuma shit goes deeper but ultimately great points were made. Glad there's still people out there of the younger generation that can think critically and understand what's pertinent, and what's at stake, not being so dramatic and reductionist.
“I don’t even know if people that watch Braille are even sentient yet” Hahahahahaha
When I watched them when I first started skating I wasn't
3:01 Yes, Felipe Mota is a core skateboarder and appears on Luis Mora's channel and now even rides for Erased. It's great content from an actual core skater. Luan Oliveira regularly makes apperances on the brazillian Sobreskate channel by Guilherme Abe. Awesome skate videos, from actual core skateboarders who do youtube in a non-cringey way.
Yuto horigome even appeared sometime ago on some of his videos in japan
I lost it when you started doing the Aaron Kyro impression lmao
He's deffo had his Irn-Bru 🏴👍🏻
Legend🏴🏴🏴
@@fingibb4723 I can see uv had yir Irn-Bru 🏴👍🏻
I think my entire generation’s trend has been loving Garrett, John, and Braille at 12 and now we’re 18 and watch you roast those dudes.
This is me
yeah
This is me too, I hated Braille and revive tho cause i had core friends, but I definitely enjoyed Chris Chan and garret. I liked Chris when he first started RUclips cause he was doing something different, what made him popular was trick challenges which no one was really doing back then and I also like garret back then cause he reminded me of myself and was also a really good skater who would always seem to eat shit but wouldn’t stop trying the trick he wanted. He was also doing weird click bait stuff but it was more like skating off my roof on fire instead of like Braille’s gummy worm grip tape shit
The cycle continues…
hahahaha
skating since 94 and you're the first skate youtuber original & interesting enough to listen to :) feels like having a convo with a smart young skater at a spot/park. i could see someone doing it big on youtube with a 'comedians in cars' type format, considering how productive some skaters are now; hang with a guest & get serious clips in one session
Same here, started skating in 98, and Gifted Hater is a time traveller talking to people about real skating :D
I like Spencer Barton’s vids in terms of mainstream style RUclipsrs, pretty fun
I also think its ridiculous to compare RUclipsrs to Reynolds and Jamie Thomas - a big part of the reason these legends have these huge brands is also because they fuckin killed it on a board and their actual skateboarding accomplishments drew people in to want to support their brand. As much as I don't necessarily hate braille and revive, how they got to where they are is through a path that is pretty much the same as RUclipsrs who get a lot of followers in any genre outside of skateboarding. They may be equally or more successful financially than the legends, but that in no way means the skateboarding community owes them the same kind of recognition and respect.
"Toxic positivity" is a form of shaming, and is extremely inauthentic, it limits personal development. The heights of ones happiness can be measured by ones ability to recall the 'bad times', it's a form of appreciation and gratitude, grounded in realism. "Integration" is the key to confidence, the understanding that sometimes challenging things happen and you have the ability to adapt, because you have overcome adversity before.
8:50 That paused frame is a violation, got mans looking like a stoned Koala bear.
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Great points and articulation. That Mikey impression and the edit with the Scientology music at the end was hilarious
Making it in skateboarding is being creative and having fun on your skateboard. Sometimes that’s what your friends are doing, other times what you’re doing is completely opposite. I enjoy watching some vlog style videos once in a while, I mostly watch old videos on the Skate Video Vault channel. Whatever keeps you stoked on skating.
My 2 cents: As someone who grew up skating, I don't really understand the big hoopla around social media/RUclips skaters. Do I watch them? No, but that's mostly because the content doesn't appeal to me, and I also have a very hippie vibe towards skating in that if what you're doing makes you happy and you feel like you're expressing yourself authentically, knock yourself out. But I'm also in a weird position where I stopped skating for four years while in college and when I stepped on a board again for the first time I completely lost my sense of self-worth because I lost everything.
So for those first few months, I did watch Andy and John and Garrett because it felt more open and palatable for someone who felt genuinely anxious about practically starting from scratch (I wouldn't even skate the park if anyone else was there because I felt like a chode). I only say that to say this: the "gateway" nature of these channels is real or at least it was five years ago. Yes, the "toxic positivity" thing can be corny and jarring once you're on the other side of things, but when you're in a slump or upset with your progression, people that project that energy can really help keep you going. Like, because of those channels, I forced myself to stick through the discomfort. It's been five years since then and on top of getting everything back, I'm continuously learning new things I couldn't even do prior to my hiatus, and strangers at the local spots are constantly showing me love.
I can't say how kids are getting introduced to skating, but I wouldn't be surprised if channels like Braille still play *some* role, and if so, cool. The ones who *really* fall in love with the culture will undoubtedly drop those channels in favor of something more "core," and the ones who realize they were disillusioned will drop the scene altogether and move on to something else. I'm a prime example of the former and shit like this didn't even exist when I was a kid. I don't know. This is definitely a really interesting topic because I feel like skating is one of, if not the only, sport in the world to have this weird diving line that exists within its participants.
i also think that you can't totally discount skate youtubers (especially channels like braille) because they genuinely do so much for beginner skaters with their tutorial videos. i think that accessibility is what will help keep skateboarding alive. yeah a lot of the content is cheesy, but they're helping form a new generation of skaters, that's cool to me and always will be. tbh i really dislike any form of elitism, and i would hate to see anyone turn away from skateboarding because they feel the culture is too harsh. if we want to keep skating alive, we need to learn from each other and try to understand where different people are coming from. at the end of the day, we can agree to disagree and still enjoy skating. its not that deep.
@@texvirgo9847 supporting braille is supporting scientology
I like the way you go about your hating. There's balance, and you try to do it responsibly. I think that's good, the balance 🙏
I really like these deep dives, deep talks about the skateboarding community that are needed now more then ever Mr. Tow Mater, thank you
A 40 minute in depth video, praise Joa
Bro skateboarding hasn't been counter-culture since the early 90s
social media popularity gives you main character brain
The parallels with skateboarding and music in the days of RUclips are crazy, great points
Gifted hater doesn’t even exist in this reality , he’s 200 years old , born in 3250 , and he’s tapping into the early stages of the metaverse
a lot of the popular youtuber skaters i feel like started doing things genuinely, like even braille was JUST tutorials at one point but then it turned into trash when it got popular and they turned to youtube vibes instead of just being a skater
I didn't realize before this video that Joa is the only dude that makes any skate-oriented videos on RUclips without any of the cliches or bullshit. he's created the counterculture on RUclips in my opinion because he's the most prevalent
I've only just started watching Joa's content and he's a breath of fresh air. These fucked up white privilege sociopaths need a wake up call.
He doesn't just call them out on their bullshit, he fucken chops them down right back to reality
I love the counterculture in new age sk8ing.
And Joa really does represent it.
¿What is the counterculture? ¿Who are we countering?
@@BrunoOfCanada The counterculture is the way that every other skate youtuber tries to make everything awesome or inclusive without any lense of realism or critical thinking. there’s no one to counter that’s why it’s counter culture cuz it’s the way of people we’re not against anyone the people who want skating to go forward are the ones who will look at what’s wrong and want improvement or even just to suggest improvement and look at what happen with FA not that Joa influenced it but he called Nakel and Dashawn leaving that’s just either really well timed, both them saw the video, or it was well thought out and either way it leaves people polarized by the great projections he puts out at times
it's interesting that george says he doesn't look at or care about what core skaters do at all and then is confused that there is a divide. like dude you just illustrated the divide yourself. you're in a different lane and that's fine but to say there shouldn't be an us vs them mentality when you don't take part in the community you're representing is wild. i think it's perfectly possible for skaters to be accepted on youtube. they just have to be authentic and have style.
i don't know if i entirely agree with you about gatekeeping being a great thing though. like yeah skating is cool cause it's hard and has a tight-knit community but no one looks good being an asshole about it. live and let live and the best will still naturally rise to the top.
We need to a time machine to prevent Mickey Taylor's first investment in that 2013 beer or coconut water company or whatever to prevent his brainrot
Maybe it's just because I'm not from the US but I don't think I've seen anyone drinking St archer, or the coconut water brand, it really surprised me When I heard he made crazy money off it.
Gifted hater is the chosen one. Raw, honest content is rare af these days, hope he will keep it up. God bless his soul.
Babe wake up Gifted Skater posted
I like Zach's channel, no cringe stuff, no click-baity titles, just pure skating
As probably one of the rare people who transitioned from watching RUclips skaters to watching actual core skateboarding content (to then getting my first board), the reason why I've gravitated towards actual skating is because of the authenticity that kind of cultivates in lots of skaters. The biggest reason as to why I grew out of mostly all big skate 'vlog' content is because of the lack of any not manufactured personality. I think the biggest problem with 'social media' skaters is that they become the RUclipsr over the skater, instead of the skater over the RUclipsr; lots of them not understanding their place like you alluded to. Being on the internet has led me to feel more involved in this community because of faces like yours, with you kind of existing in this limbo state of talking about situations in skateboarding, but not having the years of alienation as a social media star for your opinions (as a skater being a skater) to be uninformed
Honestly I feel like it’s not that uncommon for kids these days to start out watching skater vloggers and then transition to more core stuff. As cringey as RUclips skaters can be, I do think they help grow the community which I’m always a fan of.
Definitely not rare man I started off watching YT vlogs and stuff too. I just didn’t know any better and it’s what YT recommended me but the content was always so lame it kinda allowed me to transition into cooler stuff like street parts. Highly doubt it’s rare with kids these days
One of the reasons why I love the tater so much is because of videos like this. Keeps it real, hilarious, whilst knowing that the world ain’t all sunshine and lollipops....unlike cariuma positivity Georgie p....also the Scientology edit sent me😂
Despite the negative connotations I truly respect RUclips and social media skaters, yes they are entirely different then what most of us grew up with but they truly are helping carry skateboarding and getting more younger people to get into it and that truly should be recognized and appreciated
I get you but at the same time there's a better more authentic way to promote it.
Carry skateboarding? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I love this but ngl I'm gonna hate a few years from now when new skaters are trying to gatekeep and "keep it core" in their last resort / frog fit because they grew up watching Joa
this channel is the destruction of the 'youtube' / 'core' dichotomy in real time because it's correcting all of the violations from the youtubers of yore and showing kids how to be 'an authentic skater'. brands will be at your doorstep in no time
lol mikey taylor is like the wolf of wall street now. "business, business, business!!!"
Thank god your teaching us all some critical culture and sense making, because the way things are going the vast majority of people are not thinking critically about anything much these days just going along to get along
hater is the voice skating needs
@@unclebruncle sent from god born into this he is the chosen one
I remember when my friend in class was showing me Joslin's my war when he treflipped the davis gap and that shit blew me away, I got home and realized I needed to start skating
how you can rant on and break down everything so well has given me mad respect as your mouth says what my brain cant spiel .Cheer Joa
They’ll never understand that the core side of skateboarding is really the lifeline of what transitions it from a hobby to a lifestyle, as you said, the heart and soul of skateboarding. Skating would be weird without the core side. If cariuma approached as a skater owned brand and started being sold in skate shops, the take on them I’m sure would be different.
It makes me think of the GX1000 crew. From crew to brand. From a group of friends in SF to one of the biggest things in skating as of recent years, creating their own pros, on their own boards, that started small and got big. THAT is what core skating is about. Not about some outsider big dick company stickin it in with some money to try and capitalize off a culture.
“You sound like a cartoon character trying to sell me a fkin condo” lmao
I’ve ran into George a few times at brooklyn skateparks. He seems to be very guarded and on high alert at all times. Unfortunately he must feel he can’t let the guard down or he will be attacked by someone or something. On the other hand I’ve ran into some of the best pros of all time. They seem to not need to have a wall up. George has to protect himself and his content at all costs or it crumbles. It’s not a great lesson or approach to teach the youth.
@@dadboard it’s sad. I don’t like talking about decent people like this. He’s not a bad guy just confused and not helping himself by posting nonsense like that.
@@dadboard I met him at blue park, calling him a narc is a bit harsh. he's aware that core skaters think he's corny and has a chip on his shoulder about it. seems like a regular dude outside of that though.
Cuz he's a kook
Someone said "Skate nerds hating on other skate nerds" and it couldn't be more true
I’m a scooter rider and even I think the skating community needs gate keepers in their sport, it’s what makes skateboarding, skateboarding. I grew up both skating and scooter riding eventually sticking with a scooter instead of a board it obviously took me even longer to “earn my stripes” then someone who just rode a skateboard but I wouldn’t have it any other way, it’s the sole reason I still appreciate and have the upmost respect for skateboarding.
In conclusion: Sam tabor is the nucleus of core skateboarding
It all boils down to “Skaters don’t like phony’s” lmao the most beloved personalities in skateboarding are the most authentic ones. That’s prob what made the crail couch so popular cuz it was just skaters sitting down and talking
Every critique you’re making about RUclips is true. Very inspiring path and mindset your sharing. Good Shit 👌🏾👌🏾
I don’t even skate but I watch all your videos because your takes are always spot on and I find them to be applicable to almost any sport. You clearly deserve way more subscribers and I’m sure if you had sold out like other RUclipsrs doing dumb ads and clickbait titles you would have 100k+ by now, but as you’ve shown that’s not a sustainable way of creating a long term fan base. Thank you for being honest and authentic. Very refreshing and cool to see
Get a board homie
Impersonation of Mikey Taylor was fuckin spot on!!🤣🤣🤣 Much love from Brighton UK.
Nightmare blunt rotation
Interesting vid, i think you make a lot of sense and George's video wasn't all that cohesive. But one important thing I think you i think you are forgetting is whether we like it or not what "keeps the wheels turning" in skating isn't really the core skaters... purely from a financial standpoint at least. The new skaters, randoms buying thrasher hoodies, moms buying Christmas completes and people buying anime colab decks are the things that actually bring enough money into skating to make anything possible for anyone. The culture will always come from the core but if it goes back to this small niche thing, very few will be making a living from skateboarding.
It's also worth mentioning there will always be this 'space in the market' for Braille/Revive type of content to exist and you are not the target audience. I wouldn't watch Dora The Explorer and critic how terrible of show it is for me because it is doing a good job serving its target audience. It also makes me a bit sad to see Mikey get so much hate (maybe its justifiable with his new path and demeanor or maybe not) up until very recently he has been on the forefront of core skating or 20+ years.
Nah
I think Joa is aware of this. His point is that those companies are only able to make money selling skateboarding to kids (their parents) because skating is desirable and cool, but, crucially, skating is only desirable and cool because of the image and lifestyles of core skaters. That image has proven to be sustainable over many decades in a way that this new, shallow, timeshare-Ferrari, social media skate culture will never be.
Now is that core skate culture with its emphasis on partying, substance abuse, and complete disregard for physical safety sustainable for its actual participants? That is a whole other can of worms I think. . .
@@joshyoerger5271 The image, culture, and appeal of skateboarding has been sustainable for so long due to big mainstream companies appealing the image to such a wide audience and getting them initially interested. This has been going on for decades with the "cool" image of skating being at the forefront of popular culture, and you could make the argument that skateboarding started "selling out" many years ago. You can trace a huge boom in the popularity of skateboarding back to the Tony Hawk games alone over a decade ago.
From a purely economic and free market standpoint, skateboarding would simply not continue to exist if it was limited to a niche and gatekept market, since like it or not, companies like Braille generate a lot of revenue and attention to the culture and keep it alive for the younger generation. "Core Skating" purism/elitism is not logically sustainable at all.
39:04 it's not one side of skating versus another, it's skaters vs youtubers. He's a RUclipsr first, and it's obvious. He'd drop skating forever for a big check
1:18 it sounded like you were calling George "gaygaygaygaygaygaygaygaygaygay" lol
Just watched George's Street part & lifted tater should have warned me about the amount of upper thigh I was in for.
guy was dressed like a dad on a Hawaii trip
If there isn’t a bit of sausage hanging out it’s not shorts.
Seeing someone doing push-ups and back flipping whilst trying a generic spread eagle tre to flat is fricking hilarious, that would make my day at the park better I can’t lie😂
Doing bullshit like that is so cringey that I almost get second hand embarrassment just by seeing it 😂
@@soydave1988 it’s amazing 😂
“A room of dudes agreeing with each other” THANK YOU, had to stop watching Nine Club real early ‘cause of that, it’s hard to watch
Listen to The Bunt podcast.
Couldn’t agree more.