Well, that kind of misrepresents what he is saying in the context of the conversation. It's more like your vote doesn't actually decide the quality of the candidate once they are in the position, only that that person gets elected in the first place. Which is true because all Pat's $40 does is make the project closer to getting fully funded by Kickstarter. That $40 doesn't ensure the quality of the result, or prevent the dev team from blowing that sum on shitty business/design decisions.
Yeah. It's like, what Pat is saying is that if you vote for someone who gets in power and then turns out to be the biggest monster in the history of the world and manages to pass laws for eating orphans, you should be held accountable for that because your vote contributed to putting him there. Which is a pretty horrifying notion.
Loose Snauage That's actually the paradox of voting. Because it is completely true that your individual vote has no weight whatsoever, so there's really no point to voting. It's only when that mindset is widespread that your vote becomes important.
@@ScorpioTheScorpion1503 That's under the guise of the individual casting a vote being a complete social recluse with no contact and conversation with others who share the same ideals and no discussion about voting or putting in a vote as well as no connection to media and the ability to receive or provide outside influence. Such an individual should assumedly be rare especially in this day and age where I would say even the concept of "your vote doesn't matter" and "don't bother to vote" have become a form of influence and voting themselves.
@@goblinrat6119 You should though... If you had a hand in giving someone that level of influence you should feel something towards the outcome of that decision. More importantly, its not a case of being accountable in the sense of taking on the same burdens and punishments of the person or entity whom you aided, but the personal accountability to acknowledge the role you played. By extension, you would take it upon yourself to right some of the wrongs or serve in carrying out the removal and subsequent punishment of such an individual. In a case like Kickstarter where you actually provide funding, that sense of accountability grows even if you are not as influential person as the Best Friends are within that community simply because we people can be as simple as to contribute to something if there is an easy way to observe that something's growth, i.e. the amount of funding and backing a Kickstarter project continues to amass. Seeing numbers go up is simply just an alluring prospect.
24:40 "What did your $40 do to make (Shovel Knight) better? (...) So nothing?" "So I shouldn't have donated?" "It wouldn't have made a difference." That's basically saying that all kickstarter contributions are worthless and there's no point in backing anything, which is not what he wanted to say but that's what it sounded like.
Also, it looks like none of them but Pat are considering that they are public figures, so their words *have* weight, especially when it concerns videogames.
+Jenohart even tho liam is kinda right tho. liam wasnt saying all kickstarter contributions were worthless, but he is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT when he says that the community who donates as a WHOLE matters for a kickstarter to potentially succeed. i think you misunderstood liam completely.
Corey Culver he openly admitted that he misconstructed what he wanted to say on his twitter. so it's not that people misunderstood him, he just said the wrong thing.
God this video it made me sad on multiple levels. I backed Mighty no 9, love gunvolt, loved the group felt the forshadowing....i thought I was over this pain. Lol
If your still taking time stamps, in SBFC 80 at around 02:28:00 they talk about Kickstarter and pat mentions if Mighty No 9 turns out to be bad it might ruin Kickstarter funding for games.
The one part that stood out hypocritically about the Liam part of the conversation towards even Woolie, someone on his side, regarding the game: the game not telling Woolie specific types of controls. Liams argument of who doesn't use/try all the controls to start a game, as someone listening back through these podcasts once again, after entire LP segments such as the Mario RPG one in which he didnt know how to run? Just seemed especially annoying and condescending to me. I'm relistening to 152 right now and I'm still like...I can't believe he held the positions he did. I don't think its the best episode of anything to use for this, but it is an episode that helps new people to that channel nowadays understand what "Devil's Advocate" Liam was at one of its more farcical levels. And above all, this video you made Sonicfalcon16 is a excellent video showcasing the power of a userbase through media application and the ultimate dangers that come from it.
There was another Friendcast between the initial announcement and the post-release one where Liam was getting upset at people being excessively negative about the upcoming game's prospects, and he said "Inafune did literally nothing wrong" while practically crying. Does anyone know which podcast that happened in?
This was made after the mighty number 9 stuff went down and i thought it would be funny to point out of the excitement into the release of the game proper. This wasn't about anything like "why the channel ended sort of thing" If someone is using this video for that, point them out so I can tell them to stop.
I love that these chucklefucks managed to turn Mighty Number 9 discourse into a discussion of the heap paradox, it's like going to Ceasar in New Vegas and having him go on about the Hegelian Dialectic.
yeah the original idea was to take all the positive mighty no 9 talk in each podcast and edit them together. due to time constraints I couldn't find them
Im suffering with lack of funds to live & this will be the first and last time I ever make something like this I will ask of anyone of. So if you can part with even just a little bit on me please do if it doesnt break the bank. This could be my last life line
When I first started to play Mighty No. 9, I tried to play Devil's Advocate (...well, more like denial, actually) with this game. I tried to think that it was just mediocre/average, but that it had to have some redeeming quality, that it was better then other bad Mega Man games like X6 and X7...Boy, I wish could take that back after playing the last 3 levels of Mighty No. 9. If the Robot Master levels were tedious and uninspiring, those final 3 levels were infuriating and it finally shows the core mechanics just utterly failing the game and it's players. For as bad a Mega Man X6 and X7 were, for all it's imperfections and missteps...At the end of the day, I still felt it was a Mega Man game. It had a sense of spirit, a sense of what it was trying to be. It's not a lifeless, bland husk that Mighty No. 9 is.
i've done a lot of thinking about this since their breakup and i think he just wanted to change pat from what he perceived as toxic but didn't realize that the only person pat's behaviour truly affects is pat. so it kinda ended up being an unstoppable force versus an immovable object, so liam just gave up at some point. he definitely did this with other people especially on twitter so its not solid but its all i got
Mighty No. 9 had such a huge build up. i hate to think it but what if at the midpoint of donations and heading to their goal they turned heel for primal greed and lost focus on the game. you see this a lot with crowdfunded games; people get screwed and promises are broken. i cannot think of anything other than Shovel Knight as a real success through crowdfunding.
Comcept fucked themselves, it could have been AMAZING, but they wanted to focus on too much stuff (Red Ash) when they should've just managed themselves better. haven't played it so I can''t rant about it, I didn't back it and don't have a connection to megaman but from what I've seen it is a huuuuge dissapointment and looks like an early gamecube game.
I see his point though. With the embarrassing failure of Mighty No. 9, companies will be much more hesitant about releasing a sidescrolling shooting platform in the same style. Doesn't matter if they can make it the best Mega Man knockoff ever, the investors won't want to risk it just because it's in the same genre. Inafune salted the earth of his own genre.
I think part of the reason he was freaking out is that their influencers and part of the reason why my number 9 got so much money was in Part of them telling their viewers donate to it and it turned out to be bad so I guess he feels partially responsible for it happening
Its just like Psykoknight65 said. Even a clip not even posted by the Best Friends themselves has amassed 23,082 views, and among that are a total of 57 comments from people who are influenced enough by what was said to make one or multiple comments. Its not the end of the world, but for a guy who was just a college graduate with a psych degree working at a grocery store that now has the ability to do even more than this with his words alone, its a pretty big deal. To top it off even, prior the Best Friends he was still the in aspects lovable but definitely crazy person he has shown himself to be.
"Your vote doesn't matter" - Liam 2016
"I usually am not a fan of kickstarters that don't show any gameplay"
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh boy. Should have stuck with your gut Woolie.
Man hearing woolies hype before and hearing it die is something amazing
The reason they are so against how Pat feels about the game is because they are doing everything in their power to not feel the way he does.
Liam: don't vote because it doesnt matter
Well, that kind of misrepresents what he is saying in the context of the conversation.
It's more like your vote doesn't actually decide the quality of the candidate once they are in the position, only that that person gets elected in the first place.
Which is true because all Pat's $40 does is make the project closer to getting fully funded by Kickstarter. That $40 doesn't ensure the quality of the result, or prevent the dev team from blowing that sum on shitty business/design decisions.
Yeah. It's like, what Pat is saying is that if you vote for someone who gets in power and then turns out to be the biggest monster in the history of the world and manages to pass laws for eating orphans, you should be held accountable for that because your vote contributed to putting him there. Which is a pretty horrifying notion.
Loose Snauage
That's actually the paradox of voting. Because it is completely true that your individual vote has no weight whatsoever, so there's really no point to voting. It's only when that mindset is widespread that your vote becomes important.
@@ScorpioTheScorpion1503 That's under the guise of the individual casting a vote being a complete social recluse with no contact and conversation with others who share the same ideals and no discussion about voting or putting in a vote as well as no connection to media and the ability to receive or provide outside influence. Such an individual should assumedly be rare especially in this day and age where I would say even the concept of "your vote doesn't matter" and "don't bother to vote" have become a form of influence and voting themselves.
@@goblinrat6119 You should though... If you had a hand in giving someone that level of influence you should feel something towards the outcome of that decision. More importantly, its not a case of being accountable in the sense of taking on the same burdens and punishments of the person or entity whom you aided, but the personal accountability to acknowledge the role you played. By extension, you would take it upon yourself to right some of the wrongs or serve in carrying out the removal and subsequent punishment of such an individual.
In a case like Kickstarter where you actually provide funding, that sense of accountability grows even if you are not as influential person as the Best Friends are within that community simply because we people can be as simple as to contribute to something if there is an easy way to observe that something's growth, i.e. the amount of funding and backing a Kickstarter project continues to amass. Seeing numbers go up is simply just an alluring prospect.
I know he clarified on twitter but oh man, Liam said the bad thing.
what was the bad thing?
24:40
"What did your $40 do to make (Shovel Knight) better? (...) So nothing?"
"So I shouldn't have donated?"
"It wouldn't have made a difference."
That's basically saying that all kickstarter contributions are worthless and there's no point in backing anything, which is not what he wanted to say but that's what it sounded like.
Also, it looks like none of them but Pat are considering that they are public figures, so their words *have* weight, especially when it concerns videogames.
+Jenohart even tho liam is kinda right tho. liam wasnt saying all kickstarter contributions were worthless, but he is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT when he says that the community who donates as a WHOLE matters for a kickstarter to potentially succeed. i think you misunderstood liam completely.
Corey Culver he openly admitted that he misconstructed what he wanted to say on his twitter. so it's not that people misunderstood him, he just said the wrong thing.
God this video it made me sad on multiple levels. I backed Mighty no 9, love gunvolt, loved the group felt the forshadowing....i thought I was over this pain. Lol
2:45 Love the sirens in the back, that's some of that realness bleeding in
man liam was trying so hard to defend this one
Liam comes of as kind of a prick here.......it's weird since he's normally the nice one.
I've always seen Liam as nice but condescending. It was especially annoying when he told Pat that his $40 contribution "didn't matter"
Ah, so some people actually didn’t follow up on that
@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat ? What?
I love how it's not only a mighty downfall of the hype, but also how they expose themselves at absolute scrubs at Gunvolt.
At what
If your still taking time stamps, in SBFC 80 at around 02:28:00 they talk about Kickstarter and pat mentions if Mighty No 9 turns out to be bad it might ruin Kickstarter funding for games.
thank you, yes I'm still accepting them
The one part that stood out hypocritically about the Liam part of the conversation towards even Woolie, someone on his side, regarding the game: the game not telling Woolie specific types of controls. Liams argument of who doesn't use/try all the controls to start a game, as someone listening back through these podcasts once again, after entire LP segments such as the Mario RPG one in which he didnt know how to run? Just seemed especially annoying and condescending to me.
I'm relistening to 152 right now and I'm still like...I can't believe he held the positions he did. I don't think its the best episode of anything to use for this, but it is an episode that helps new people to that channel nowadays understand what "Devil's Advocate" Liam was at one of its more farcical levels. And above all, this video you made Sonicfalcon16 is a excellent video showcasing the power of a userbase through media application and the ultimate dangers that come from it.
There was another Friendcast between the initial announcement and the post-release one where Liam was getting upset at people being excessively negative about the upcoming game's prospects, and he said "Inafune did literally nothing wrong" while practically crying. Does anyone know which podcast that happened in?
106?
How did so many of you get this wrong? And what’s with the desperate theory crafting about the channels end?
This was made after the mighty number 9 stuff went down and i thought it would be funny to point out of the excitement into the release of the game proper. This wasn't about anything like "why the channel ended sort of thing" If someone is using this video for that, point them out so I can tell them to stop.
This is great.
I love that these chucklefucks managed to turn Mighty Number 9 discourse into a discussion of the heap paradox, it's like going to Ceasar in New Vegas and having him go on about the Hegelian Dialectic.
I wonder if this is part of why Liam and Pat fell out?
"looks at time"
THIS IS SHORT?
yeah the original idea was to take all the positive mighty no 9 talk in each podcast and edit them together. due to time constraints I couldn't find them
You should put this on their subreddit.
do you have account on reddit?
because I can access mine
+Sonicfalcon16 yeah I'll put it on there later.
ok let link me to it later. I need to make a long version
+Sonicfalcon16 m.reddit.com/r/TwoBestFriendsPlay/comments/4s86x4/super_best_friends_cast_mighty_rise_and_fall_not/
aw geez
Imagine being the guy who blew 10k on mighty no. 9
better or worse than people who backed shaq fu: a legend reborn?
@@Sonicfalcon16 people knew what they were getting into with shaq fu. People did not know they were being ripped off with MN9
Im suffering with lack of funds to live & this will be the first and last time I ever make something like this I will ask of anyone of. So if you can part with even just a little bit on me please do if it doesnt break the bank. This could be my last life line
I guess Im kinda randomly asking but do anybody know of a good place to stream newly released series online?
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@@SonplaysMinEcraft not a signle one of these bots sent me money ._.
When I first started to play Mighty No. 9, I tried to play Devil's Advocate (...well, more like denial, actually) with this game. I tried to think that it was just mediocre/average, but that it had to have some redeeming quality, that it was better then other bad Mega Man games like X6 and X7...Boy, I wish could take that back after playing the last 3 levels of Mighty No. 9.
If the Robot Master levels were tedious and uninspiring, those final 3 levels were infuriating and it finally shows the core mechanics just utterly failing the game and it's players.
For as bad a Mega Man X6 and X7 were, for all it's imperfections and missteps...At the end of the day, I still felt it was a Mega Man game. It had a sense of spirit, a sense of what it was trying to be. It's not a lifeless, bland husk that Mighty No. 9 is.
I'm curious, not to bring up bad feelings, but what did the yellow power up ever actually do? Feel free to reply to me on G+ if need be ^_^
Bruh
nice
Why is Liam such an apologist for this garbage game
He's an apologist
he makes us Canadians look like bigger pussies than we already do
Because that’s what he does. Apologize for garbage.
i've done a lot of thinking about this since their breakup and i think he just wanted to change pat from what he perceived as toxic but didn't realize that the only person pat's behaviour truly affects is pat. so it kinda ended up being an unstoppable force versus an immovable object, so liam just gave up at some point. he definitely did this with other people especially on twitter so its not solid but its all i got
Liam really hated pat
Mighty No. 9 had such a huge build up. i hate to think it but what if at the midpoint of donations and heading to their goal they turned heel for primal greed and lost focus on the game. you see this a lot with crowdfunded games; people get screwed and promises are broken. i cannot think of anything other than Shovel Knight as a real success through crowdfunding.
You could also consider Darkest Dungeon and Shantae, as these games turned really well.
Isn't FTL: Faster Then Light a crowdfunded game?
Super Beat Friend is correct.
Comcept fucked themselves, it could have been AMAZING, but they wanted to focus on too much stuff (Red Ash) when they should've just managed themselves better. haven't played it so I can''t rant about it, I didn't back it and don't have a connection to megaman but from what I've seen it is a huuuuge dissapointment and looks like an early gamecube game.
Also like so many versions of that game it was rediculous. Wasn't it like 5-6 launches near simultaneously?
Meh, Pat freaking out over nothing, it was a bad game not the end of life on earth.
triburst every time David cage makes a game ten million orphans die
I see his point though. With the embarrassing failure of Mighty No. 9, companies will be much more hesitant about releasing a sidescrolling shooting platform in the same style. Doesn't matter if they can make it the best Mega Man knockoff ever, the investors won't want to risk it just because it's in the same genre. Inafune salted the earth of his own genre.
I think part of the reason he was freaking out is that their influencers and part of the reason why my number 9 got so much money was in Part of them telling their viewers donate to it and it turned out to be bad so I guess he feels partially responsible for it happening
Its just like
Psykoknight65 said. Even a clip not even posted by the Best Friends themselves has amassed 23,082 views, and among that are a total of 57 comments from people who are influenced enough by what was said to make one or multiple comments. Its not the end of the world, but for a guy who was just a college graduate with a psych degree working at a grocery store that now has the ability to do even more than this with his words alone, its a pretty big deal. To top it off even, prior the Best Friends he was still the in aspects lovable but definitely crazy person he has shown himself to be.
Man, even the crazy people in the other video didn’t undersell their reach this much
I can see why the SBFP disbanded, pat is insufferable
Liam the one in the group who wasnt a fan of pat.
Pat? It's Liam who is the biggest vagina.
Incredibly off base