--All of these videos: 1. Student plays the excerpt very cleanly, but with no life, imagination, character, or understanding of the context and background of the excerpt. But very cleanly. 2. Professional congratulates them on their clean playing, then urges them to get much more in touch with the atmosphere and character of the music; to bring the piece to life. 3. Professional demonstrates a few bars, immediately injecting into the piece all of the life that was missing from the student's performance. Suddenly the music sounds like the music. However, since the professional is just picking up their instrument out of thin air, and hasn't been practicing that excerpt repeatedly at that moment (as the student has), the demonstration is not as technically clean and precisely in tune as the student's. But the more important point about the meaning of the music has been clearly demonstrated. --75 percent of the comments on these videos: "Jeez, the student plays better than the teacher."
Worth remembering that absolute precise, clean playing is expected of candidates in auditions. Of course they want to hear musicality but really if you're auditioning for a tutti job they're looking for someone who has a sound that can blend in, who is adaptable and who makes minimal errors. I suppose for a principal job it's a little bit different and they probably look more for that wow factor.
When one listens to this on a single violin one really thinks that the only reason Strauss wrote this for 16 Violins is that he hoped that at least 8 of them could actually play this effortlessly while the rest just sit there for the sound. Crazily difficult for an orchestral part.
the story goes, that Mengelberg prepared the Concertgebouw orchestra, they could play it perfectly. Then Strauss came to conduct, was surpised by the precision and said: i didnt mean it like this, it should sound like a vulcano (orso)
I think the quintessential mistake that players make when approaching this piece is that they become so desperately consumed with the meticulous nature of Strauss’ complexity that the whimsy, and verve, and the liberty of the piece are completely forsaken. The way this passage merges fantastic sophistication with a wondrously melodious character creates, in most victims, a dichotomous struggle. Mastering the pragmatism is skill. Commanding that crucial degree of personality is art. This teacher is imparting upon his pupil a most important lesson: an entirely cerebral approach actually diminishes the nuances, and subtleties, and marvel (read: Magic) that are so indicative of the composers very spirit. In short, don’t ever get so preoccupied with making the piece perfect that you forget to make the piece beautiful.
Agree with Scary Pumpkin Prejudice might well color one's preferences but should not boil over to question those of others. I found this master class very enlightening.
He's talking about the character, not the technical quality. This is extremely hard to play, he can't play as good as someone who freshly practiced this piece many hours like this asian girl. Tho he has a lot more experience and he can tell a lot of things to help young professionals.
Fox Mulder I agree with you 100%. When you hear the opening of this piece in the orchestra you can really understand what he means- the start isn't meant to just be clean technically- it is like an explosion and you need to convey that character as a single person in the audition
I don't think it's discouraging to set a good example for a student by playing well. It's confusing when a teacher gestures around playing very out of tune unable to do the things he's been describing in a way that could actually pass an audition. It's clear he can talk about 'character', he just can't play the excerpt in this masterclass. A teacher can be as charming as he wants, but chops are chops! Maybe he should have reviewed the excerpt beforehand.
Lol, hope you're not deaf because he's really out of tune here! I know it's easy to want to admire someone for resting on their laurels if you see them as an 'icon', but integrity performs itself in every moment. For a good example of playing and teaching integrity, see Paul Tortelier's masterclasses. He's fantastic!
im pretty sure he didnt practice these excerpts, so he is just remembering them, you cant play it at 100% if you havent studied it specially if its this kind of hard excerpts
he barely played any notes here, and the ones he played were perfectly fine. Why are you criticizing his technique in a video where he barely even plays? It's absurd, and I don't think anybody doubts that he can play the excerpt. If you do you must not be a violinist. I think he was a great teacher, he gave great suggestions on note lengths, articulation, and character which improved her playing. Demonstrations are superfluous when you can get your point across perfectly well with words which he did.
--All of these videos:
1. Student plays the excerpt very cleanly, but with no life, imagination, character, or understanding of the context and background of the excerpt. But very cleanly.
2. Professional congratulates them on their clean playing, then urges them to get much more in touch with the atmosphere and character of the music; to bring the piece to life.
3. Professional demonstrates a few bars, immediately injecting into the piece all of the life that was missing from the student's performance. Suddenly the music sounds like the music. However, since the professional is just picking up their instrument out of thin air, and hasn't been practicing that excerpt repeatedly at that moment (as the student has), the demonstration is not as technically clean and precisely in tune as the student's. But the more important point about the meaning of the music has been clearly demonstrated.
--75 percent of the comments on these videos:
"Jeez, the student plays better than the teacher."
Agree
I mean, the teachers are called “master” for a reason
Haha, bravi 👍👍👍
Also, the instructor is closed-miked, so a lot more scratchiness is heard.
Worth remembering that absolute precise, clean playing is expected of candidates in auditions. Of course they want to hear musicality but really if you're auditioning for a tutti job they're looking for someone who has a sound that can blend in, who is adaptable and who makes minimal errors. I suppose for a principal job it's a little bit different and they probably look more for that wow factor.
When one listens to this on a single violin one really thinks that the only reason Strauss wrote this for 16 Violins is that he hoped that at least 8 of them could actually play this effortlessly while the rest just sit there for the sound.
Crazily difficult for an orchestral part.
the story goes, that Mengelberg prepared the Concertgebouw orchestra, they could play it perfectly. Then Strauss came to conduct, was surpised by the precision and said: i didnt mean it like this, it should sound like a vulcano (orso)
Great job. wonderful technique and control especially under pressure.
Really shocking news . Rest in peace Mr.Stadelmann
Great anecdote about Karajan!
Great Karajan impression, too.
Mahler
I for one will walk away from this video with some valuable points of view. Some people get so heated over trivial things.
I think the quintessential mistake that players make when approaching this piece is that they become so desperately consumed with the meticulous nature of Strauss’ complexity that the whimsy, and verve, and the liberty of the piece are completely forsaken.
The way this passage merges fantastic sophistication with a wondrously melodious character creates, in most victims, a dichotomous struggle. Mastering the pragmatism is skill. Commanding that crucial degree of personality is art.
This teacher is imparting upon his pupil a most important lesson: an entirely cerebral approach actually diminishes the nuances, and subtleties, and marvel (read: Magic) that are so indicative of the composers very spirit.
In short, don’t ever get so preoccupied with making the piece perfect that you forget to make the piece beautiful.
…..really……
Agree with Scary Pumpkin Prejudice might well color one's preferences but should not boil over to question those of others.
I found this master class very enlightening.
Absolutely fabulous
I love her smile at 3:40 haha:) so innocent..
I love it; too correct!!!
I Love So MUCH This !
Amazing
so what is she doing now? became a member of an orchestra?
Rest easy
Marcos, PATA' EH!!
a little bit besser
❤❤🎻🎻
Ein sehr gutes Lehrer und eigentlichen Geiger. So schade
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03:11
ruclips.net/video/CcBGsjPky0c/видео.html this is the concert
La chica es papiche
le dicen la dobla lechuga
Equivocation!!!!!!!
Thanks, I hate it
So damn boring
It is too correct what you do; boring!
Too correct , ok.. but when he play ... mmmmm.... that's really is too incorrect in my taste..
He's talking about the character, not the technical quality. This is extremely hard to play, he can't play as good as someone who freshly practiced this piece many hours like this asian girl. Tho he has a lot more experience and he can tell a lot of things to help young professionals.
Fox Mulder I agree with you 100%. When you hear the opening of this piece in the orchestra you can really understand what he means- the start isn't meant to just be clean technically- it is like an explosion and you need to convey that character as a single person in the audition
af Hadly
Common, he just picked his violin to show an example of an idea... he didn't care to play it properly or not!
This is why he has a job with Berliner Phil, and you don't....
He couldn't play the excerpts lol. Demonstrations are more useful than just talking about 'character'
I don't think it's discouraging to set a good example for a student by playing well. It's confusing when a teacher gestures around playing very out of tune unable to do the things he's been describing in a way that could actually pass an audition. It's clear he can talk about 'character', he just can't play the excerpt in this masterclass. A teacher can be as charming as he wants, but chops are chops! Maybe he should have reviewed the excerpt beforehand.
Lol, hope you're not deaf because he's really out of tune here! I know it's easy to want to admire someone for resting on their laurels if you see them as an 'icon', but integrity performs itself in every moment. For a good example of playing and teaching integrity, see Paul Tortelier's masterclasses. He's fantastic!
im pretty sure he didnt practice these excerpts, so he is just remembering them, you cant play it at 100% if you havent studied it specially if its this kind of hard excerpts
Escondidas Finn Nope he didnt practice
he barely played any notes here, and the ones he played were perfectly fine. Why are you criticizing his technique in a video where he barely even plays? It's absurd, and I don't think anybody doubts that he can play the excerpt. If you do you must not be a violinist. I think he was a great teacher, he gave great suggestions on note lengths, articulation, and character which improved her playing. Demonstrations are superfluous when you can get your point across perfectly well with words which he did.
Player is de@f or just need practice ?¿
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louis lopez what’s wrong with ya
Come on! Sing,sing,sing! The girl doesn’t know how to sing 😢