Been using this for a while now and really love the options it brings. That was a great point about being able to combine the different support options on some complex prints. Hopefully Prusa will take the advice and bring that out in a future release.
I'm curious to know, does it actually use less material and print faster? Based on your video, the moment you sliced using Organic, it does show a larger amount of filament used (55.93g vs 57.62g) and a longer print time (15h 39m vs 16h 55m) Does Prusa Slicer just have issues properly representing these values (i.e. it's actually much more efficient/ faster than shown) or am I missing something? One of the selling points of Organic supports are faster print times/ lesser material spent for supports so I'm quite confused by this.
I have found PS does have problems calculating the time and materials. Also, it kind of depends on the part. Organic supports seem to be way to dense by default, you don't need near that many. I'm hoping over time the settings will become more robust and the saving/speed will become more obvious.
Great explanation of the supports and uses. I agree the ability to brush in standard vs tree or just brush in where you want the slicer to add tree and where to add standard.
just tried this on a complicated model. I was trying different variants with paint on and support blockers/enforcers and then followed your video while trying it on mine. My first reaction: " WOW" . .. thx for the video !
Hi Chris, Informative video Sir, thank you... When it comes to having to use supports, I still end up using Simplify 4.1.2, as they just peel off so cleanly, I have tried using similar settings with Prusa, but still find it hard to remove them cleanly, I've not tried using the organic ones yet, so will give them a try... Thank you again for yet another great video... Andy...
Yeah, the ability to mix traditional and organic supports would be nice. Or be able to export them, although I suppose They are not generating triangles but curved paths directly.
Chris Thank you for the comment. You read the error correctly. Got frustrated and went back to the main screen. I saw that I had supports turned off and tried turning on support and when I went back to the settings I could select organic supports. I am a retired programmer so I knew I had to change a setting somewhere. I selected supports and went back and could do organic support. I just went into PrusaSlicer and there is a 2.7.1 now. Thank you for your help and have fun printing. We just got another printer Neptune Pro 4. Thank you.
Nice overview! I've really been pleased with organic supports. One tip from 2.6.0-alpha2 release notes: "Interface layers are not always produced reliably. As of now printing with zero interface layers is recommended, which produces easy to remove supports." Apparently they've since fixed the bottom interface layers, but I still find supports easier to remove without top interface layers.
It's odd seeing prusa slicer in blinding mode. I'm so used to dark mode. lol But yes, hybrid supports would be nice. There is one other feature I would like. I decided to try using PLA colors on PETG for my MK4 kit (shipping soon TM lol) I wasn't sure it was going to work, but it did. However the one problem I had, was the wipe tower. It would be nice if they could have a mostly PLA tower and a mostly PETG tower. I think it would help. I really wanted to do multi-material organic supports on the mirror bezel for my parent's car (93 mercedes I believe) but I was having enough trouble with just normal PETG on its own I decided to abandon that. Also I honestly don't know if there is enough room on the bed anyway. The part is so large it barely fits when carefully rotated. So I only have a little area in 2 of the corners left. V1 printed successfully, but I had to reduce speed to 70%. When I did 100% the organic supports kept collapsing. The only issue was the original part has some structural infill that's exposed. I tried to print that as exposed gyroid. It didn't go so well. You can't tell from the outside though. V1 should work I was painstakingly measuring everything on the original with calipers, but I'm not happy with it. For V2 I made the structural infill have a solid hull. So it's no longer exposed. That's the only change I made. My parents are coming on friday. V2 should be done on friday morning. Also I still have the front part. I want to give them a 2nd one of those just in case. But that part is a lot easier and faster to print. It barely requires any supports.
@@ChrisRiley and yeah blinding mode. The older I get the more sensative my eyes are to light. I hate going outside especially during the day. I'm becoming a vampire. lol
I am relievedly new to 3d printing. I want to use the organic trees but when I go to Support Material > Options for support material and raft > Style: The option is grayed out. What do I have to do to activate that option. Help thank you very much for your help. Ray
That's strange, I would upgrade to the newest version, 2.7.1. Make sure you have it set to expert mode and you turn supports on in the main page, the plater, it's under printer settings.
It made the print take 1 hour longer and was only a 4 gram difference in filament used. But better quality and easier to break off the piece I guess. What I want to know is if they work well for tinny support pieces on smaller objects then the normal support material style.
actually cura has a new version of tree supports I think it's 5.3, but I'm not sure. Anyway......the new version is more or less the same thing as organics. As for new tree (or organics) vs old tree I have no idea. I saw a video on it. It was interesting, but I already forgot it. lol
Do a youtube search for "new vs old tree supports" The first video should be "The Xmas Alpha Release of Cura contains new tree supports and it's a big deal.." That's the video I saw. It does a pretty good job and you can see a pretty big difference in the first 10 seconds.
@@ChrisRiley Thanks for your response Chris. But I have to correct you on this one. (i'd never thought that would happen. ;-) ) I have used tree support in cura pretty much since it was introduced, and I have never ever sliced a model with tree support that contained infill. It has always been "vase mode" like organic support in PrusaSlicer.
biggest problem i have is that my model doesnt stick to build plate and 2/3 through nozzle hits it and it moves ruining it all. Everythings levels as it should be. Also in Prusa there isnt option to increase raft nor theres option to print multiple elements because of some stupid error about tall object you cant turn off and it wont process it into G code
I just encountered this today, one of the trees was built up higher than the others during the print and got knocked over. If you find a solution please let me know
I have noticed a few of the features changing greatly when organic supports get enabled. I saw that a lot of them have been reported on github. Hopefully they will get resolved in future releases.
@@Printed_Visionz3D may be. It's been a month since the last alpha was compiled. 😕 If it's been dropped, I wonder what fork will be the next 'big thing'. I remember the owner of SS had some personal issues a while back.
Another tip: Try to use different support material than the main material, petg and pla don't stick well to each other making them much easier to remove.
Cura is so much better it looked like struggled mate to remove :) but usually its what you start with to which slicer you use great video. Also if you decrease the density it will be easier to remove.
The funny thing about tree supports for me is that I have a weird hole phobia and i almost screamed when removing tree supports for the first time! They look so gross and anxiety inducing to me !
omg do you have trypophobia? CAREFUL with googling it, if you do have it, it will be very triggering. Just asking because I do, and I'm kind of afraid of using these supports xD
I don't have it but someone on some show had it. I can kinda see how certain things would be hard to look at. I do have a problem with certain textures though.
Its very interesting but I still struggle with the way how you handle it compared to ideamaker....I really wish they would put some work on to IM but it seems raise3d lost interest in it😢
@@ChrisRiley Yeah, I started playing with how the part lies on the build plate. Oddly enough it prints best standing up and doesn't require as many supports
A long time ago. But does it matter? Because this discussion is going to be the same as the Apple and Android discussion. It was probably not high enough on their todo-list. Also, they are both free 🙃. Use whatever suits you.
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Been using this for a while now and really love the options it brings. That was a great point about being able to combine the different support options on some complex prints. Hopefully Prusa will take the advice and bring that out in a future release.
That would be cool. Thanks for watching!
I'm curious to know, does it actually use less material and print faster?
Based on your video, the moment you sliced using Organic, it does show a larger amount of filament used (55.93g vs 57.62g) and a longer print time (15h 39m vs 16h 55m)
Does Prusa Slicer just have issues properly representing these values (i.e. it's actually much more efficient/ faster than shown) or am I missing something? One of the selling points of Organic supports are faster print times/ lesser material spent for supports so I'm quite confused by this.
I have found PS does have problems calculating the time and materials. Also, it kind of depends on the part. Organic supports seem to be way to dense by default, you don't need near that many. I'm hoping over time the settings will become more robust and the saving/speed will become more obvious.
Great explanation of the supports and uses. I agree the ability to brush in standard vs tree or just brush in where you want the slicer to add tree and where to add standard.
Thank you
Thanks Chris for all your tutotials and knowledge sharing. Would you please share your slicer profile for Ender 3, thanks 🙏
Thanks! I have just been using the default ender 3 one in Prusa slicer, it works pretty well.
thanks for making these videos, as a complete n00b your videos have been super helpful
Glad you like them! Thanks
Always look forward to your videos! Going to be an awesome Wednesday!
Thanks!
just tried this on a complicated model. I was trying different variants with paint on and support blockers/enforcers and then followed your video while trying it on mine. My first reaction: " WOW" . ..
thx for the video !
Cool! Thanks for watching
Hi Chris,
Informative video Sir, thank you...
When it comes to having to use supports, I still end up using Simplify 4.1.2, as they just peel off so cleanly, I have tried using similar settings with Prusa, but still find it hard to remove them cleanly, I've not tried using the organic ones yet, so will give them a try...
Thank you again for yet another great video...
Andy...
Thanks Andy, it's good info to have that simplify still work so well for this.
I wish that slicer coders would add a function to auto cut a small area away where the seam goes so that the seam material fills this area
That's a good idea.
Valeu!
Thank you so much!
Just downloaded the beta version and gonna give those supports a try. Thank you! Looking forward to the test of PETG print on the Prusa 4
Awesome, more tests to come for sure.
Yeah, the ability to mix traditional and organic supports would be nice. Or be able to export them, although I suppose They are not generating triangles but curved paths directly.
For sure, hopefully we see that soon.
I’m definitely going to check it out, I’m also hoping that Bambu Lab or Orcaa slicer adds it soon.
Thanks Sergio, let us know how it goes!
multiple support types in one print would be great!! I'd love to see this feature implemented
That would be cool, thanks for watching!
Chris
Thank you for the comment. You read the error correctly. Got frustrated and went back to the main screen. I saw that I had supports turned off and tried turning on support and when I went back to the settings I could select organic supports. I am a retired programmer so I knew I had to change a setting somewhere. I selected supports and went back and could do organic support. I just went into PrusaSlicer and there is a 2.7.1 now.
Thank you for your help and have fun printing. We just got another printer Neptune Pro 4. Thank you.
Thanks for the update! I'm glad you got it going
THANK YOU
Thanks for watching!
Nice overview! I've really been pleased with organic supports. One tip from 2.6.0-alpha2 release notes: "Interface layers are not always produced reliably. As of now printing with zero interface layers is recommended, which produces easy to remove supports." Apparently they've since fixed the bottom interface layers, but I still find supports easier to remove without top interface layers.
Thanks John! Nice tip, I will check it out. See you at MRRF!
It's odd seeing prusa slicer in blinding mode. I'm so used to dark mode. lol But yes, hybrid supports would be nice. There is one other feature I would like. I decided to try using PLA colors on PETG for my MK4 kit (shipping soon TM lol) I wasn't sure it was going to work, but it did. However the one problem I had, was the wipe tower. It would be nice if they could have a mostly PLA tower and a mostly PETG tower. I think it would help.
I really wanted to do multi-material organic supports on the mirror bezel for my parent's car (93 mercedes I believe) but I was having enough trouble with just normal PETG on its own I decided to abandon that. Also I honestly don't know if there is enough room on the bed anyway. The part is so large it barely fits when carefully rotated. So I only have a little area in 2 of the corners left. V1 printed successfully, but I had to reduce speed to 70%. When I did 100% the organic supports kept collapsing. The only issue was the original part has some structural infill that's exposed. I tried to print that as exposed gyroid. It didn't go so well. You can't tell from the outside though. V1 should work I was painstakingly measuring everything on the original with calipers, but I'm not happy with it. For V2 I made the structural infill have a solid hull. So it's no longer exposed. That's the only change I made. My parents are coming on friday. V2 should be done on friday morning. Also I still have the front part. I want to give them a 2nd one of those just in case. But that part is a lot easier and faster to print. It barely requires any supports.
Blinding mode, HA! That's a good idea to be able to change up the tower. Good luck on your part, I hope it fits! 😀
@@ChrisRiley and yeah blinding mode. The older I get the more sensative my eyes are to light. I hate going outside especially during the day. I'm becoming a vampire. lol
Hello Chris. Is it possible, when you test a beta version to call it accordingly in the video title. It can confuse the way it is.
Good call, I can do that.
what printer are you using that you are able to switch filaments between support and the main body?
This is done with the Prusa MMU2.
Excellent
Thank you so much 😀
I am relievedly new to 3d printing. I want to use the organic trees but when I go to Support Material > Options for support material and raft > Style: The option is grayed out. What do I have to do to activate that option. Help thank you very much for your help. Ray
That's strange, I would upgrade to the newest version, 2.7.1. Make sure you have it set to expert mode and you turn supports on in the main page, the plater, it's under printer settings.
The overhang overlap settings are also great.
Thank you!
Jupp, saved my dumb ass 2 times, when printing too fast.
Is it possible to make the interface the only material change for supports? Would save a lot of purging
I think it is, but I will have to go try it now.
Do u have a video for a first time set up profile?
I don't, but I could make one.
@@ChrisRiley that would be cool trying to print petg and trying a small model not having much luck
Hi Chris, I would be interested to know how the printing time increases when using 2 different materials.
It really depends on the model. but everything I've tried the print times are pretty close to the same.
Im new to 3D printing and been trying to figure this out for weeks.
I hope this video helps. Thanks for watching
It made the print take 1 hour longer and was only a 4 gram difference in filament used. But better quality and easier to break off the piece I guess. What I want to know is if they work well for tinny support pieces on smaller objects then the normal support material style.
I would think they would work on smaller pieces as they need less contact with the part.
@@ChrisRiley thanks
How do you have double walls on supports?
Check out branch diameter with double walls setting.
Please enlighten me Chris. What are the differences between Cura tree support and PrusaSlicer organic support again?
actually cura has a new version of tree supports I think it's 5.3, but I'm not sure. Anyway......the new version is more or less the same thing as organics. As for new tree (or organics) vs old tree I have no idea. I saw a video on it. It was interesting, but I already forgot it. lol
Do a youtube search for "new vs old tree supports" The first video should be "The Xmas Alpha Release of Cura contains new tree supports and it's a big deal.." That's the video I saw. It does a pretty good job and you can see a pretty big difference in the first 10 seconds.
The old school tree supports have the same infill inside that the model would. Thanks @ashley williams for the info.
@@ChrisRiley Thanks for your response Chris. But I have to correct you on this one. (i'd never thought that would happen. ;-) )
I have used tree support in cura pretty much since it was introduced, and I have never ever sliced a model with tree support that contained infill. It has always been "vase mode" like organic support in PrusaSlicer.
@@awilliams1701 Thanks for the video hint. It was very informative.
Chris. Thank You. Will you be at ERRF 2023? 🙏
Planning on it!
biggest problem i have is that my model doesnt stick to build plate and 2/3 through nozzle hits it and it moves ruining it all. Everythings levels as it should be. Also in Prusa there isnt option to increase raft nor theres option to print multiple elements because of some stupid error about tall object you cant turn off and it wont process it into G code
I just encountered this today, one of the trees was built up higher than the others during the print and got knocked over. If you find a solution please let me know
I have noticed a few of the features changing greatly when organic supports get enabled. I saw that a lot of them have been reported on github. Hopefully they will get resolved in future releases.
Normal supports 55g vs organic 57g, also time is longer 5h vs 6.5h = so... not so great. If you use HIPS and normal supports then all problems gone ;)
HIPS would be good.
I dont have that option???
In 2.6??? Make sure you are updated to the latest version.
Can you give me a link that explains what each of the 8 sub items in PrusaSlicer 2.6.0 Organic Supports actually do?
I will look around, 2.6 is out now, Prusa might have the doc published.
Wondering how long til Superslicer gets it. Eventually I guess.
Seems like they stopped development
@@Printed_Visionz3D may be. It's been a month since the last alpha was compiled. 😕
If it's been dropped, I wonder what fork will be the next 'big thing'. I remember the owner of SS had some personal issues a while back.
Hadn't noticed SS development had stopped, hopefully someone picks it back up.
One thing I don't get is all the alphas were signed, but the betas have not been signed. I had to "run anyway" them.
Good question.
Another tip: Try to use different support material than the main material, petg and pla don't stick well to each other making them much easier to remove.
He mentions this in his video at 7:43 but it only works if you have a mmu
Thank you!
@@Caretak007 didn't catch that, I assumed he would've done it since he has an MMU.
Cura is so much better it looked like struggled mate to remove :) but usually its what you start with to which slicer you use great video. Also if you decrease the density it will be easier to remove.
Thanks! I just never use Cura, I know they do a great job on it, it gets better all the time.
The funny thing about tree supports for me is that I have a weird hole phobia and i almost screamed when removing tree supports for the first time! They look so gross and anxiety inducing to me !
Yikes! 🙂
omg do you have trypophobia? CAREFUL with googling it, if you do have it, it will be very triggering. Just asking because I do, and I'm kind of afraid of using these supports xD
I don't have it but someone on some show had it. I can kinda see how certain things would be hard to look at. I do have a problem with certain textures though.
@@shinaxs pretty sure that's the one!
I still miss the ease of multi process tuning of S3D... Prusa should think more about their prof clients using their MK3's a lot...
Multi process is really nice. That would be a great add.
I also do not do Alpha but lets go Beta!
🙂👍
Its very interesting but I still struggle with the way how you handle it compared to ideamaker....I really wish they would put some work on to IM but it seems raise3d lost interest in it😢
Oh really? I didn't know they weren't working on it any more, I like Ideamaker.
@@ChrisRiley me too...thats the problem 😖
Nice feature to speed up.
But still... WHY DO THEY NOT ADD COOLING VENT SPEED SETTING IN PER LAYER SETTINGS ????
VERY VERY STRANGE@
That would be a nice feature to have.
I never had any luck with organics. Sections of them would break while printing and screw the whole print
That's too bad. Hang in there!
@@ChrisRiley Yeah, I started playing with how the part lies on the build plate. Oddly enough it prints best standing up and doesn't require as many supports
How long ago did Creality have tree supports?
A long time ago. But does it matter?
Because this discussion is going to be the same as the Apple and Android discussion.
It was probably not high enough on their todo-list.
Also, they are both free 🙃. Use whatever suits you.
@@TuncayAyhan
ANDROID USERS RULE, apple users drool...😉🙃
@@Andy203504🎂
LOL! Thanks everyone!
@@ChrisRiley These discussions are as gold for your video's😛. Thanks for content as always!
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Wait for A.I
Can't wait!
it barely saved 5 grams on 205 grams
Yeah but it's so cool looking!