There is a simple explanation. Both products buy from the same chemical supplier. The bee product has a slower turnover, so when a new batch with a slightly different purity analysis is made by the chemical manufacturor, it shows up in the moth crystals first. The bee product is probably purchased by the pallet as needed occasionally and repackaged.
I suspect the only reasons why Paramoth is more expensive, is the EPA registration as a pesticide for wax moth, and because they can (ie. no competition).
Jeff, just a follow up with your decision to leave crystals on for a few days and then remove it from the supers. Does the paradichlorobenezene kill everything in that short time? I was wondering if the supers are sealed up with no air movement, how long it would take for the vapors to move through the supers. I stack and wrap my supers 12 high with crystals added over each four supers in the stack. I use the pallet wrap that sticks to itself and to the supers and comes in 3 foot wide rolls. It only takes a few minutes to wrap and seal a stack of boxes. I have been leaving the chemical on until spring. Have you found any eggs that may have hatched out when you opened the supers in the spring? I am in the Atlanta area and our conditions may be different than yours but, if I can reduce the chance of chemical residue in the comb by removing the crystals in a few days while achieving a complete kill, I will do it. Thanks for a great video.
Hi Jim, I am near Pensacola FL., so we have about the same weather. I stack mine 7 medium supers high with an empty super on top for the crystals to evaporate. The recommended dosage for 7 medium supers is 6 Tbsps. of Para-Moth that is a 1/2 cup of crystals, I have never ever used that much in my hives, nor would I want to. For years now I have used 1/2 that amount in the gasket sealed supers and not had any moth issues. Years ago, I started using the ankle length nylon stockings that you find at Dollar General to pour the dosage of crystals into them which made it easy to remove and refill. I store the crystals and stockings in a wide moth quart mason jar to use, they last for years. I did start out removing the crystals after about a week and found that most of them had already vaporized into a gas, so I got lazy and just left them for the winter storage. I think the recommended 1/2 cup dosage is because most supers when stacked have large cracks between them, which requires a large dose to effectively kill the larva and moths during storage but sealing them like you and I do the dosage required is much less. The foam gaskets I showed beekeepers how to make in a You-Tube video I'm still using the same gaskets, the material isn't affected by the propolis sticking, it's like Teflon and peels off easily. Thanks for watching and I hope I answered your questions.
Hello Lee, Amazon still has it, if you can get the industrial Neverwet it is better but it only comes in gallons. Here is the Amazon link for the spray cans; www.amazon.com/Rust-Oleum-275660-Never-Multi-Purpose/dp/B00GMH8PL6/ref=asc_df_B00GMH8PL6/?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=&hvpos=&hvnetw=o&hvrand=&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583520382180143&psc=1
I always let my bees clean up the supers before storage, I have done it this way for sixteen years. If your colonies are healthy there shouldn't be any problems. Try storing some wet just to see what they are like this Spring and see how much is dried or hardened on the comb.
Hi Daryl, Thanks, several people have reminded me that I misspoke about the %. The biggest thing I wanted people to know is that Para-Mouth and Enoz are virtually the same, except that one is $15.00 a pound and the other is $5.00. I'm sure everyone likes to save $10.00 a pound.
Thanks for the great info you share. Do you have to use chemicals? I saw a beekeeper on another video say you need to store them open and with airflow to not have moths. He said they are attracted to darkness. What do you think?
I have seen the same videos, I guess the open air storage depends on where you live and how you feel about other critters crawling around on the exposed comb. I live in Florida and an open air storage would make a prime hiding location for all kinds of cockroaches and other creepy crawlies which would make my skin crawl knowing what was crawling around on the comb. I eat the same honey that I sell and I am very particular on keeping the comb clean during storage and how the honey is harvested and stored, I would not sell anything that I would't eat myself.
Hi Jeff, I have one small question.. I just remove four super off hive and each one only have about one or two pound honey in it.. since falls is on way.. is it safe seal it with para with honey in it? ( plan put them back on hives next Spring)
Hi Tim, I myself would not store honey with Paradichlorobenzene. If you can combine the frames with honey and leave those supers out for the bees to clean up and store the empty frames and supers with Paradichlorobenzene. Good luck.
Hi MissBeeHavenMN, Paradichlorobenzene vapors will kill everything, use it only in stored honey supers and take all precautions in its handling and breathing it. Where I live I have to use Paradichlorobenzene, if I left my supers open they would be filled with Roaches which I also hate. Check out my hive beetle videos which will help you. Good Luck..
Hi Renee, Thank you for catching that, at the very beginning I should have stated that the difference was in tenths of one percent. Good thing I showed the paperwork to help correct my mistake.
Jeff Willard , wouldn't that be 100's . it's very confusing if you look it up. they say to multiply by 100 to get percentage which the experts say. 6%. 100*.06= 6%. but in reality it is written as 6 one hundreds of a percent.
Hi OkieRob, Math was my worst subject in school, I looked at the Para-Moth 99.94% which only needed 6/10ths of one percent to make it 100.00%. Like I said to Renee I'm glad I showed the charts to correct my mistakes, sorry for the confusion of products percentages but the charts clearly show the percentages of the two products that I so badly tried to explained.
Jeff Willard , unless I'm wrong the first digit to the right of the decimal is 10's the second is 100's, 1000's etc. the left of the decimal starts at ones, which is a whole.
What kicked this video over the top for me, was the "hand on a stick." Brilliant! Well done!
Thanks Craig, I try to add humor with the information....
Hats off to you, my brother. Excellent information trail. I'll be using Enoz after an initial freezing. Thanks
You are welcome Joseph
There is a simple explanation. Both products buy from the same chemical supplier. The bee product has a slower turnover, so when a new batch with a slightly different purity analysis is made by the chemical manufacturor, it shows up in the moth crystals first. The bee product is probably purchased by the pallet as needed occasionally and repackaged.
What I mean is the pallets of paradichlorobenzene get repackaged as the bee product.
I suspect the only reasons why Paramoth is more expensive, is the EPA registration as a pesticide for wax moth, and because they can (ie. no competition).
Hi Tim,
I believe you may have answered that question.
Loved the pointer! Thanks for the video.
Hi Thomas,
I just wanted to add a little humor to the video, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
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Thank you for the excellent information.
Thank you for watching and I'm glad to help....
Good info. Thank you for posting. And for researching everything.
Hello Winks,
Your welcome and I hope it helps you, it made me change my usual way of storing supers.
Excellent video.
Thanks Shaun I'm glad you liked it.
Is that a jointing sled I see? Good info. Thank you.
It is actually from this video, thanks for watching.. ruclips.net/video/LtBEKndRuuc/видео.html
Very informative thank you.
You are very welcomed. Make sure you watch my video on making the honey super storage gaskets. I made mine years ago and still using the same ones...
Great video! Thanks!
Thanks and I hope it helped you.
Great video..thanks.
Your welcome..
Thanks for helping on this!
Hello Rocca,
You are very welcome..
Jeff, just a follow up with your decision to leave crystals on for a few days and then remove it from the supers. Does the paradichlorobenezene kill everything in that short time? I was wondering if the supers are sealed up with no air movement, how long it would take for the vapors to move through the supers. I stack and wrap my supers 12 high with crystals added over each four supers in the stack. I use the pallet wrap that sticks to itself and to the supers and comes in 3 foot wide rolls. It only takes a few minutes to wrap and seal a stack of boxes. I have been leaving the chemical on until spring. Have you found any eggs that may have hatched out when you opened the supers in the spring? I am in the Atlanta area and our conditions may be different than yours but, if I can reduce the chance of chemical residue in the comb by removing the crystals in a few days while achieving a complete kill, I will do it. Thanks for a great video.
Hi Jim,
I am near Pensacola FL., so we have about the same weather. I stack mine 7 medium supers high with an empty super on top for the crystals to evaporate. The recommended dosage for 7 medium supers is 6 Tbsps. of Para-Moth that is a 1/2 cup of crystals, I have never ever used that much in my hives, nor would I want to. For years now I have used 1/2 that amount in the gasket sealed supers and not had any moth issues. Years ago, I started using the ankle length nylon stockings that you find at Dollar General to pour the dosage of crystals into them which made it easy to remove and refill. I store the crystals and stockings in a wide moth quart mason jar to use, they last for years. I did start out removing the crystals after about a week and found that most of them had already vaporized into a gas, so I got lazy and just left them for the winter storage. I think the recommended 1/2 cup dosage is because most supers when stacked have large cracks between them, which requires a large dose to effectively kill the larva and moths during storage but sealing them like you and I do the dosage required is much less. The foam gaskets I showed beekeepers how to make in a You-Tube video I'm still using the same gaskets, the material isn't affected by the propolis sticking, it's like Teflon and peels off easily. Thanks for watching and I hope I answered your questions.
I wondered the same thing. I switched to the ice crystals also.
Hi Okie,
I still don't understand why there is a $10.00 a pound difference between the two, other than the one is sold by a bee supplier.
Do you have a link to video where you talk about the seal that you are using for storing the hives?
Yes he does, search his videos.
This will help, ruclips.net/video/LtBEKndRuuc/видео.html
Jeff, since you just answered and left a link, maybe I can get your attention. They say you can’t buy “never wet” anymore. Do you have an alternative?
Hello Lee,
Amazon still has it, if you can get the industrial Neverwet it is better but it only comes in gallons. Here is the Amazon link for the spray cans; www.amazon.com/Rust-Oleum-275660-Never-Multi-Purpose/dp/B00GMH8PL6/ref=asc_df_B00GMH8PL6/?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=&hvpos=&hvnetw=o&hvrand=&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583520382180143&psc=1
Can supers be stored wet when using paramoth or do the supers need to be robbed-out first. Not a fan of robbing. Trying to avoid it if possible.
I always let my bees clean up the supers before storage, I have done it this way for sixteen years. If your colonies are healthy there shouldn't be any problems. Try storing some wet just to see what they are like this Spring and see how much is dried or hardened on the comb.
Jeff that is 6/100th of one percent. Not 6%. I think it was never pure and the EPA regulations stipulate accuracy in labeling. Just a thought.
Hi Daryl,
Thanks, several people have reminded me that I misspoke about the %. The biggest thing I wanted people to know is that Para-Mouth and Enoz are virtually the same, except that one is $15.00 a pound and the other is $5.00. I'm sure everyone likes to save $10.00 a pound.
Thanks !!
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Thanks for the great info you share. Do you have to use chemicals? I saw a beekeeper on another video say you need to store them open and with airflow to not have moths. He said they are attracted to darkness. What do you think?
I have seen the same videos, I guess the open air storage depends on where you live and how you feel about other critters crawling around on the exposed comb. I live in Florida and an open air storage would make a prime hiding location for all kinds of cockroaches and other creepy crawlies which would make my skin crawl knowing what was crawling around on the comb. I eat the same honey that I sell and I am very particular on keeping the comb clean during storage and how the honey is harvested and stored, I would not sell anything that I would't eat myself.
Thanks
Your welcome..
Your welcome and sorry for the reply delay....
Hi Jeff, I have one small question.. I just remove four super off hive and each one only have about one or two pound honey in it.. since falls is on way.. is it safe seal it with para with honey in it? ( plan put them back on hives next Spring)
Hi Tim,
I myself would not store honey with Paradichlorobenzene. If you can combine the frames with honey and leave those supers out for the bees to clean up and store the empty frames and supers with Paradichlorobenzene. Good luck.
@@jeffwillard2417 Thanks Jeff, I agree and to be on safety side. 👍🏻
Great video keep the great work. I been fighting hive beetles all summer, will this work to kill them?
Hi MissBeeHavenMN,
Paradichlorobenzene vapors will kill everything, use it only in stored honey supers and take all precautions in its handling and breathing it. Where I live I have to use Paradichlorobenzene, if I left my supers open they would be filled with Roaches which I also hate. Check out my hive beetle videos which will help you. Good Luck..
0.06% not 6%
Hi Renee,
Thank you for catching that, at the very beginning I should have stated that the difference was in tenths of one percent. Good thing I showed the paperwork to help correct my mistake.
Jeff Willard , wouldn't that be 100's . it's very confusing if you look it up. they say to multiply by 100 to get percentage which the experts say. 6%. 100*.06= 6%. but in reality it is written as 6 one hundreds of a percent.
Hi OkieRob,
Math was my worst subject in school, I looked at the Para-Moth 99.94% which only needed 6/10ths of one percent to make it 100.00%. Like I said to Renee I'm glad I showed the charts to correct my mistakes, sorry for the confusion of products percentages but the charts clearly show the percentages of the two products that I so badly tried to explained.
Jeff Willard , unless I'm wrong the first digit to the right of the decimal is 10's the second is 100's, 1000's etc. the left of the decimal starts at ones, which is a whole.