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Now imma be real with you. As an African American back in 2021 I thought the balkans consisted of Greek gypsies and Turkish gypsies. And that’s why tall hated each other. That’s pretty damn ignorant but I’m just showing you how far I’ve grown.
One of my best friends from middle school was a gipsy. He disliked being called roma. Was a really nice guy, smart, well-mannered and now he is a physics professor at a university in the UK. His brother on the other hand is in jail for stealing cars in Germany.
@@EmbrodI am gypsy/Romani I am not bothered by being called Roma but I think the term is kinda... idk it just doesn't feel right. It's less inclusive than gypsy but honestly feels somehow more loose. Like I have a clear picture when I hear gypsy, I don't have a clear picture when I hear Roma. It's hard to explain I guess it would be how some black Americans prefer being called over black compared to African American? idk
@@anonemusofficial2511 I think it's smart to ask a Roma person how they handle describing their ethnic background. My family prefers gypsy over Roma, but there's people with opposite views too
it's all fun and games until your neighbor sells his house to a gypsy family as a revenge to another neighbor and suddenly you have 7 gypsy families with concert grade speakers blasting their "music" through half the village all day so loudly your entire house is vibrating like a subwoofer
@@ytubestolemyhandle I think this is one of the examples the poster meant. It is only problems with them. In a perfect world they go back where they belong and where they came from.
@@ytubestolemyhandle if they just blast music we can way you are definitely lucky. The next step is to find they filled the stairs with trash and, sometimes, dead animals. I have an apartment that has been in that situation for years, and I was just empty, because it wasn't even possible to rent it. Finally 7-8 years ago police expelled all gypsies (2 apartments occupied, one by not paying the rent and the other straight occupied because it was empty) with "kindness" and we were able to restore the area.
I have a Gypsy friend, he's a really cool and fun guy, but my biggest mistake was i accidentally mentioned him once infront of my Romanian classmates, now they greet me with a "O Tsigan" every morning 😭😭😭
Growing up in Bulgaria, my parents used to tell me that if I don't finish my plate, the gypsy kid would be stronger than me in a fight. I find this inspiring.
even if youre stronger, he'll just come back with his 6 siblings and 12 cousins to gang up on you and then be protected as a minority group and get barely into any trouble.
Good example of how racial and ethnic discrimination begins in childhood and is taught by bigoted parents. My mother also suffered from this irrational hatred of gypsies because she grew up with a few bad examples of gypsies in her village so she assumed that all gypsies are like that. It is true that because of a lack of culture and poverty, many gypsies take up a life of crime, the same is true for any other ethnic or national group that is exposed to similar social conditions. But because gypsies are still a minority in most european countries, most criminals in jails will still be a majority of european (white people). In short, poor people are poor no matter the color of their skin and if you grow up in a poor neighborhood and you have an above average intelligence you will probably make it your life mission to escape that place and become successful somewhere else.
In the 60s I had a gypsy classmate at the university in Budapest. He came from the eastern part of Hungary, near the Soviet (today Ukrainian) border. He said that his biggest problems were not with Hungarians but with other gypsies. Every time he visited his parents in their village during holidays other gypsies beat him up because "he wanted to be white". One year he ended up in hospital for several weeks because of this beating. Of course, no witnesses were prepared to testify. After that, he never returned to his village. He worked real hard and managed to graduate.
I think the biggest challenge is school. I have seen really bright little Roma kids who don't even try to listen because nobody at home cares. And if they do try to do well they get put down a peg by the community. Had a 6 year old kid who said she wanted to be a nurse but knew she couldn't because she wasn't allowed.
So true, from what I know there's quite prominent anti school and anti integration narrative in Roma families. I knew few growing up, but it always seemed like they just dropped out at one point or another, or they just went to "expected" professions. While I do think the face racism, quite bad at that sometimes. I do think it's self inflicted quite a bit. Roma seem to have quite strong culture that really just stops them from climbing up.
@@mukkaar I mean, I wouldn't blame them for being wary of any kind of integration after literal centuries of slavery, and multiple attempts at genocides.
Being someone born and raised in Montenegro the first time I had actual experience with Gypsies was when 11 years old me and my ten or so friends about my age went to play football behind our school. First we were playing between ourselves, then about ten Gypsy kids came and asked to play against us. We agreed and both parties enjoyed a fun time until the eldest from the Gypsy group said he wants to keep the ball we were playing with, which was actually decent quality and belonged to my friend. He obviously refused to give it to him, which made the Gypsy crazy mad. He punched one guy who was telling him to go away, but eventually they ran away and we continued playing football between ourselves like we did before Gypsies came. Then after maybe half an hour, love and behold, an actual horde of 20-25 Gypsies, armed with wooden planks and metal pipes approaching our football field. We ran for dear lives, hid in a supermarket for 20 minutes until police came to disperse their crowd and let us go home.
@@slavicemperor8279 yeah as a Roma I’m not surprised but please understand we have different type of Roma groups and each groups has their own values way of thinking traditions music styles dances and etc we are not all the same .. we don’t look at these stupid low life ones as our own just like the none roma don’t get along with them it’s the same within roma communities we are nothing like them and they are nothing like us as if we were two opposite ethnicity’s from each other .. there are the musicians groups who just plays music entertain there are the traditional roma families who makes their living by either working and or buying and selling things and there are these crippled poor Roma families who usually lives on the outskirts of the towns villages where they grow up with nothing and from those they have these individuals who’s batsh.t crazy kinds like wild street dogs that’s how they live and grow up ..
In my Polish town not so long ago we had a self-proclaimed "king of the gypsies", he was an extremely respected and was de facto the head of the local gypsy community.
Yeah they tend to organise themselves this way, a family member working in the Belgian immigration system told me he knew three different « king of the gypsies »
Usurper! Everyone knows that the one true Gypsy King was the late Rene Karoli from Norway! If there is to be one now it must follow his line to the closest living relative of the Karoli clan! (jk btw, but we also had one)
As a Bulgarian, I can confirm that a share my village on the outskirts of Pleven with several Romani that casually make me play Yu Gi O cards with them . Every night we all cast a curse on the North Macedonians as well.
A gypsy friend of mine literally been thrown out the window as a baby, he's adopted and has great parents, he was abusing drugs for a while. Now he has been off drugs and he's been working a lot, both on himself and financially, he's been going to the gym and he's a very good friend
@@frankenweeny8785 You haven't seen the video/gif of the gypsy woman using another kid as a mace against a guy? Or heard of how they make like 12 kids and send them to beg or mutilate them for extra money especially from the states? I assure you any stories you heard about gypsies are probably sanitized for the internet, even this video
Funniest(and saddest) part is that politicians use Romani people as cheep voters in Serbia and Montenegro. In Serbia,few years ago,Romani managed to get Hungarian party a lot of seats in a place where Hungarians make less than ~3% of population due to wrong advertisement. In Montenegro,politicians buy Romani votes for 20 euros while Romani themselfs live in slums. Few days ago,a slum in Bar(coastal city in Montenegro)burned down,killing 4 people(2 or 3 were underage). There was also Karton City(cardboard city)in Belgrade that was,as it names implies,made out of cardboard and nearly 1000 people lived there.
The same phenomenon occurs is Romania, where local politicians give them "gifts" and "get-out-of-jail-free cards" in exchange for votes. The worst thing I've witnessed is politicians giving them tips on how to scam the national social insurance programs, incentivizing dirt-poor gypsies to have more kids, because more unemployed, uneducated gypsies = more votes.
Here in Italy this has happened once. A bunch of gypsies took a little girl hostage inside a shopping mall. I also got robbed by them once, and they illegally settled in a private farming land near where i live. Maybe it's just the ones in my area, but they are the worst people i've ever met. They are like a fucking barbarian camp from Civilization games. I swear my country has the worst type of gypsies.
Here in Italy this has happened once. A bunch of gypsies took a little girl hostage inside a shopping mall. I also got robbed by them once, and they illegally settled in a private farming land near where i live. Maybe it's just the ones in my area, but they are the worst people i've ever met. They are like a fucking barbarian camp from Civilization games.
During my childhood my family had to live in a neighborhood with Gypsies. God forbid that any of you reading this comment have such an experience. We couldn’t leave anything outside of our house, and sometimes they would even break into our house to steal. We had a garden and they would also steal every fruit and berry from there. Once my dad bought me a bike and the next day it was gone. The neighbors Gypsy boy was riding it. My father went after it, they swore and spat at him, even threw rocks and him but he returned the bike. Their family was just very sad, the father didn’t work and the mother made money by stealing wallets. Once they finally bought a car they rode around on it like it was a royal carriage and tried to flex it as much as possible. Then they started selling drugs. And then we moved :)
As a Slovenian gypsy (or half gypsy to be precise), I can say that the mentality of people as well as the overall picture has changed a lot since my childhood. I live in a gypsy village that resembles a typical local village with all the needed modern infrastructure (electricity, water, internet, proper housing...) and is considered one of the most advanced and organised romani settlements in the world. Also most people now have jobs and are getting educated. I myself have a college degree and work at a reputable company. The stigma is partially still there, but it is also easy to see that it can slowly but surely be erased if the correct steps are taken by society, both the gypsies and the rest.
So I have a serious question for you. How do you feel about the term gypsy? You self identify that way. I'm curious because as a professional musician I see this coming up more and more when it related to the specific genre of "Gypsy Jazz." I get some people want do away with harmful words and be more sensitive, but this seems like one of those times when white people want to intervene in a performative way rather than actually caring what the people themselves thing. I care a lot about this because black Americans really did have their own music (original jazz) sort of stolen and coopted by white people and then sort of white washed. That's my concern about Gypsy Jazz being relabeled as Jazz Manouche. I feel like in a way it robs the historical ownership of that style of music from the people even if that's not the intention behind it. Obviously I feel like how a given people feel about the terms matter more than a bunch of well meaning white folks. You're just one person and no group is a monolith, but I'd really love your opinion on the topic since I just don't have access to a lot of people I can actually ask about their feelings on the terms Gypsy, Roma, Romani, and Jazz Manouche.
@@Yeargdribble In Hungary: 'Roma > Gipsy was a '90s 'invention' of the Lefties. There were Skinheads, there was a need for sensations for the press, (as always). Huge loads of money were spent to targeted education, + several other helping projects. But the crime rate wouldn't lower, nor the school marks rise. They scapegoated the: 'racist whites'. Also stole the money. (The white politicians this time.) Check dis out: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alad%C3%A1r_Pege The main page wouldn't mention his ethnicity, but if you scroll lower: 'Categories: ..Hungarian Romani people'
The answer to this might not be that simple. The word gypsy is often used as a slur, but it depends on the context. Among Romani (at least where i come from) the term is often used in conversation without malintent, depending on the language you converse in. Conversing in romani, the word would be "roma", but conversing in Slovene you would often say "cigan", meaning gypsy. I myself would not take it lightly if I hear someone saying it with malintent, but among friends it is accepted and i would retort with the same word. When it comes to music, I see no problem with calling it "Gypsy Jazz". As a musician myself, I can immediately identify the music by this description alone and see no need to relabel it otherwise. Although the word "manouche" in some romani languages would mean "person" or "man", which is probably an attempt to make the term more culturaly acceptable, but as i said, I have no problem with calling it Gypsy Jazz and would actually prefer this term to any other.
@@Pipsonite Im from Germany and I wouldn't use the word "Ziegeuner" because it sounds ugly to me. Kinda like, pardon the weird comparison, "ficken" means "to fuck" but sounds way more ugly than it's english counter part. German words are really hit or miss regarding aesthetic sound."Gypsy" sounds normal enough to me but it's interesting that it comes from the misconseption that Gypsies come from Egypt
I'm British, and I met this British gypsy girl online. She thought she was distantly Romanian and Egyptian but, in reality, had no clue. I found it interesting as I felt I knew her heritage better than her. She was taken out of her school by her family and wasn't allowed back, agaisnt her wishes was basically locked in her own home. Despite being 18, only had up to 11 year old education. Its because of this that in general the gypsy community gets the worst results in school, two times worse than any other ethnic group, with girls affected especially.
Yeah it's super sad, even infuriating. There are good schools with majority gypsies here in Bulgaria, there are bright intelligent gypsies, but after 8th grade the boys start working, the girls get married and they have no opportunity to integrade with larger society.
A lot of gypsies will keep their kids in school to learn basic math and reading. But deal with a lot of food insecurities and housing problems. So they feel like they need "all hands on deck" just to survive. But this is sentiment shared a lot. When a lot of gypsies live normally in society like everyone else. Like me, a gypsie.
There seems to be this huge misunderstanding where Westerner believe that eastern Europeans just hatw gypsies for being gypsies which is wrong. People hate the thieving gypsies (and there's a lot of them) not the regular law-abiding, school-going ones. Both of my brothers' best friends are gypsies and no one ever had any issues with them because their families adapted to the local life style yet they never denied their ethnicity. On the other hand those guys also hate the thieving gypsies. Simple as.
Crime occurs in social deprivation. But organized crime in Eastern Europe is more advanced and often dominated by the dominant ethnicity (Slavic, Romanian, Hungarian, Albanian or other). But it's always easier to focus on petty crimes and scapegoat ethic minorities, isn't it. Right?
Although there are problems in the Gypsy community in Bulgaria (poverty, theft, prostitution, etc.) here is an interesting story - I was smoking with a co-worker of mine outside my office 4-5 years ago. A little gypsy kid, about 10 years old, was ridding a (non-electric) scooter nearby. I told him that he won't be able to jump over a curb nearby and this 10 year old became cocky as a 15 year old ("Who...me?! Ofcourse I can do it!" and the like). He gained speed and just barely jumped over the curb with his scooter and I told him "OK, let me treat you to something from the cafeteria" and I walked inside, him following me. The lady behind the counter started yelling "Oh, hell no, get out of here, you!" and I realised she was talking to him. I was baffled and asked "why?" after which she asked me if he is with me, I said "yes" and she muttered "well, OK, then". This 10 year old boy, that was cocky as a 15 year old a minute ago, became shy as a 5 year old. I asked him if he prefers Fanta or Coca-Cola, Bounty or Twix etc. and he just kept saying "I don't know" with his head down. I got some drinks and candy-bars for him and he said "thank you", while still keeping his head down. I am not sure what went through his head, whether it was the first time he experienced such things, but to be honest I replayed this event in my head and I am angry at myself for not doing 2 things - scolding the lady at the counter and trying to talk to the kid afterwards (altough I still don't know what I am suppossed to say in this case). If the lady (~50 years old) behind the counter was a man my age I would probably have told him to go f&ck himself...but yeah, I think about that sometimes. The kid probably thinks about it more. He should be 14-15 years old now, probably angry at the world around him. The moral of the story is - it's not important whether the chicken or the egg came first (people in the Balkans know which debate I am refering to), it's important to think about solutions and treat people the same way you want to be treated.
A lot of gypsy kids are like this they fear white people especially older ones they usually treat them very badly overtime they develop hatred towards the white population and that’s how they end up becoming known asocials 99% of the time their behaviour and ways would change if society started treating them like human from a young age
As a gipsy from Finland, I can tell you learn from a very young age that you are different and unwelcome to most things. As a child you know its because of your heritage, but still see yourself the same as everyone else, and wonder why am I disliked when i do nothing wrong. Mostly to deal with this you either pull out of non-gipsy circles or grow a very hard shell to protect yourself of constant hurt. There are many flaws within our culture, but much more beatiful things. Some wander for the darker path because of not getting a fair chance in life. Getting an apartment, job, friends etc.. are very difficult even tho you dont have criminal record and have good credit scores. Some people ask me about our black magic even in this day and age. Thank you for your story, good deeds carry far and can impact someones life greatly.
There might have been a disagreement between the older lady and the cocky boy so it was best not to get involved. There's a smart looking Gypsy community near the town of Dryanovo in Bulgaria (the houses are looking better and better every year, and there is a nice children's playground built by the commune). We know a few of the Gypsies as we've employed some of them for seasonal work, and on occasion given them a lift in our car. There are still flashpoints in Gabrovo, but here, things are getting better now as Gypsies work in local shops, garages, schools, and for the town hall. There are outreach projects from the community and children do attend school.
I took 2 Bulgarian gypsies with my taxi and somehow they stole the cars floor mats from the back. Also when I was living near a gypsy neighborhood, my cars antenna and window wipers would get stolen in like every other week. I've moved away from there and I don't take gypsies as clients anymore. Not because I'm a racist of any kind, (I'm a foreigner in Bulgaria too) but just because it fixes "my shit is getting stolen" problem. I don't care about root causes, I just know what I see and what I experience. So that lady had a point, definitely she has more experience with gypsies than you. People who defends gypsies, usually are the people who live in a bubble, in a safe space where they never have to deal with gypsies.
When I lived and worked in Turkey teaching English I had two Turkish friends who (secretly) told me about thier Gypsy ancestry. One told me she was Bulgarian/Turkish/Gypsy because her grandparents were kicked out of Bulgaria in the early 1980s when Bulgaria was kicking out Muslims. She said her ancestral family were Gypsies in Bulgaria who converted to Islam in the 18th century, and became middle class working for Ottoman administrators until the World War 1. She could speak Turkish, Bulgarian, English, understood Kurdish, some Farsi and some Arabic. She had extended family members living in Bulgaria, Lebanon, Armenia, Germany and Turkey.
We didn't kick them out - they just had to get party acceptable names (everyone had to have a communist party acceptable names) so the commies could register them for tax like everyone else - something that is culturally unacceptable and so they were escorted to the border - some changed their names and stayed of course.
@hawkingstar1698 Ha ha! I told her that, and she said that actually it wasn't a big deal since all the members of her family had to speak 2 or 3 languages because they were scattered. I was impressed, but to her it was normal. She worked for university administration.
MY FAMILY TOO ARE SECRET GYPSIES RELATED TO THE HUNS FROM ATTILLA THE HUN AND VLAD THE IMPALER BLOOD LINE OUR MAIN DIETY TO WORSHIP WAS BABY JESUS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND TOOK A CATHOLIC VENIER IN THE PUBLIC EYE BUT AT HOME WE HAD ALL THE FIXINGS A GYPSIE FAMILY WOULD HAVE AND LIVE LIKE SHHHHH DONT TELL NOBODY 🤐
I am romaniam working in UK. There are bulgarian and romanian gypsies working here and also indians. We discovered the count from 1 to 10 its identical in gypsy language with one of the languages spoken in India :D Although we knew gypsies come from India it was amazing to see gypsies kept their language over such a long time and with such acuracy.
I find it more amazing Indians kept their own indian language to be honest , they were attacked when the gypsy fled and was STILL under attack just 50 years ago going through colonization and Invasion. How are they still alive??
The balkan kids have heard two things growing up ,either"if you misbehave the gypsies will take you"or "we got you from the gypsies for X amount of grain,rice,flour etc" My price was apparently 1kg of flower.What was yalls price?
Borat’s home village was not in Kazakhstan, it was in Romania. Sasha Baron Cohen lied to the Gypsy villagers saying he is filming a documentary to show the struggles of the Roma community. They didn’t know anything about Borat and he didn’t give them a penny.
My grandfather was a Gypsy from Hungary who fled communism in the 50s~60s. I never had the chance to meet him but after seeing this video, I can imagine his life was hard.
When I lived and worked in Turkey teaching English I had two Turkish friends who (secretly) told me about thier Gypsy ancestry. One (college administrator) told me she was Bulgarian/Turkish/Gypsy because her grandparents were kicked out of Bulgaria in the early 1980s when Bulgaria was kicking out Muslims. She said her ancestral family were Gypsies in Bulgaria who converted to Islam in the 18th century, and became middle class working for Ottoman administrators until the World War 1. She could speak Turkish, Bulgarian, English, understood Kurdish, some Farsi and some Arabic. She had extended family members living in Bulgaria, Lebanon, Armenia, Germany and Turkey.
Dracula used Gypsies on the front lines so they were slaughtered by the Ottomans thinking it will be a easy victory and then they will be ambushed by the the real soldiers.
This video remember me how much i was bullied by gypsies as a kid and teenager, every time someone ask them why they bully and hate me they said to im too chill and mind my own business too much for them to don't bully and beat me every time they see me.
@@dzonikg and let's not forget how the last year some gypsies killed a young driver and post it on Facebook and the whole community, what was already therorized by gypsies, wanted to kill them and the police from 3 counts hold them off enough for gypsies to escape and the commisar did everything posible to ignore the reporters.
As someone studying Tudor England, I must clarify that Gypsies were considered "vagrants" in Tudor England, which at the time was a big social issue for the country. Vagrants were unemployed people wandering the country for jobs, believed to be the cause of much of the crime and evil in the country. Initially gypsies were tolerated (despite having laws passed against them to leave or assimilate into English society) and were successful in jobs in entertainment, music, and arts. However, once the issue of vagrancy was seen as a national threat, gypsies were treated with much more fear and suspicion, and there was a belief that English born gypsies were simply pretending to be gypsies to avoid being considered a vagrant. The reason they were branded with a V and eventually put into slavery was because they were later seen as vagrants, wandering the country for work and crime, not just because they were gypsies.
@@andre3328 Also not much into English history but in most Western and Northern European countries, slavery was actually prohibited pretty early on in the Middle Ages, enslavement of foreign ethnicities, especially non-Christians and non-Europeans however was justified either by excluding them from the application of said prohibition, or by passing new laws allowing slavery of certain people. For example France abolished slavery in 1315, enslavement of blacks in the colonies was allowed in the 17th century and a "Code noir" was passed to regulate how it worked.
@@andre3328I thought slavery was abolished on the British Isles in 1805. It wasn’t abolished in their colonies until much later on, as in Australia and Canada indigenous peoples were sometimes used as slaves and Canada had a small population of Africans also used as slaves.
@@therealspeedwagon1451 The definition of what a slave is can change heavily depending on the era and country. Medieval serfs are not slaves and stand in the social class above slaves, yet if you would treat people today like a serf others would see you as a slave driver and you would be guilty of human traffacking.
My last name is gypsy from English to Polish, and my grandad escaped from Poland to the United Kingdom and flew in the RAF after losing his brother to the Nazis camps, still got family in Warsaw.
Funny how the Gypsies are almost never mentioned when talking about the Holocaust, in western countries. I have studied both in the USA and The Netherlands, at prestigious universities, and the Holocaust was brought up quite frequently (especially in the US) but the killing of the gypsies was straight up denied every time. For them, only the Jews died, and when I pointed out the it wasn't true, I was threatened by my professors. I grew up in Romania, surrounded by gypsies, in a poor neighborhood. They were, and will always be my friends, and seeing their history being erased by a specific group of people that I won't name, is frustrating as fuck. Later edit: Even though half of you say that you learned about the Gypsy’s history with the Holocaust, most of you also agree that this history was barely mentioned, while the major focus was on the Jews. That’s the idea! It’s easy to “forget” about these people when that main focus is on the Jews. Agree with me or not, but most teachers choose to only speak about the sufferings of the Jews. At the end of the day, the Gypsy’s never use the Holocaust as an excuse to commit genocide…
As someone from the US, part of me would say it depends on what history book you're reading that'll mention who perished in the Holocaust. That said, I can't recall well if they mentioned them. Then again as I said, it was a history book for Americans and as far as I know, we don't have the same experience or level of knowledge compared to the rest of Europe such as Romania.
I remember a story about how a guy was on a European forum and mentioned how gypsies were frequent victims of the Holocaust, and then was banned for talking about the Nazis in a positive light
J, this was probably your Magnus opus - well done! Here in Sweden 🇸🇪 there’s three kinds of gypsies: (1) old Swedish gypsy families who have probably been around since the 1800 or early 1900s; (2) Finnish gypsies who came here from Finland in the 1950/60s and (3) Romanian Gypsies who came here in the past ten years. The first are a mix of well integrated and criminals, the second are quite conspicuous due to distinct dress while the third are mainly begging outside grocery stores. To be honest, neither are generally seen as productive members of society. There’s also a kind of Swedish travelers who are not an ethnic group but some kind of old social class. Don’t think they have anything to do with Roma.
We have "Travellers" in the UK, who are usually of Irish origin. As far as I know, they are distinct from Roma Gypsies, They are a plague on decent society. They go out of their way to be as antagonistic, anti-social, and obnoxious as possible. No one I know has ever had a positive interaction with Irish Travellers, they are despised, but they know how to play the system.
AFAIK the Travelers are just a much earlier wave. They just integrated into society much better than subsequent waves. (They even got local names, and later on surnames). _They absolutely do not want to be called Roma,_ even if some of them know a lanugae that is like Roma, just older. Then there are the "Boat People" or "Boat Travelers", who were like Travelers, but on boats. (They are extinct now, as they settled, as the need for small scale logistics died with the container ships, and the automobil).
i think there's also those last kind in denmark. i saw a couple of them pushing a large cart during summer and they were wearing some badges on their vest/coat.
Just to add, as a Romanian: the Gypsy culture has a deep understandable embedded resistance to integration. The programs that aim at integrating them often receive backlash and straight up rejection by many Gypsy communities. This includes housing and schooling. This has been true even during the communist years when they would be given free apartments but chose to live outside of them in tents. While social programs have been lacking in many ways during the decades, I wanted to point out that a will for integration by them must indisputably exist from within, otherwise the programs simply won't work. You can throw more programs and funds at this issue, but a reform from within would be much smarter. Selling your children or throwing them out on the streets to beg instead of accepting schooling will never be acceptable in any western society. If you'll counter this by saying they don't do it because of racism, I can show you many examples where the kids that went through school grew up into very successful adults. Heck, my dear desk mate from high school was one, and he has a wonderful IT career now. But at the same time there are much more examples of kids being taken out of school by their families for no good reason (except things like "f that, you'll go west and steal and buy yourself a Mercedes in a few months"). You can understand their cynical view given their history, but at some point you must accept the goods that a reformed society provides you in the place that you want to attempt to settle.
I honestly feel bad for them because their distrust does make sense, but western society has changed but they refuse to change their nomadic lifestyle. Unless these governments give an apology or smth that will show them they changed I doubt they will ever trust them.
@@solis1171 what f'en apology? go back to india. im amazed they didn't get slaughtered going thru anatolia and arriving in the balkans. just another mess that the turks caused.. if the ottomans lost some battles instead of winning them, guaranteed there wouldn't be a single gypsy in europe today
Agreed, where I live the government has made a lot of programs and funds to help them, a lot of times they have more rights than our own countrymen but they still choose the wrong path. I know countless friends who've been robbed and beaten by them, very rarely a friendship with a gypsy will go well if they have something to gain from you. I learned time and time again that most of them are like animals trying to survive and will do whatever it takes to have their way. It's fucking sad man. They're culture needs to change
I was once checked at the Romanian airport, where they stop you ask you a few questions and leave you to go. The police and I had a good talk, very friendly people just doing their job. After a while talking about the Romanian society, I told them about my bad experiences with gypsies, where once one aggressively taunted me to go over the street, and I was yelling back at him. He went for a complete U-Turn, came out and started to curse me. Fyi I am a trained fighter and well build so I know how to defend myself against a skinny gypsy. We both left it at the cursing, but it left a bad taste on my mouth, so I was curious if it would really happen that they come with a horde after you. They told me a few stories about how they got in fights with gypsies, when I asked them about their experience with them and it always ended with 10-25 gypsies coming along trying to find you and hurt you. They warned me and told me to just ignore them, as they have nothing to lose. The police would take care of them, sure, but stil until they arrive something could happen. Feels like almost every Romanian has a story like that or knows relatives who have stories like that. There is a reason why they are hated.
I assume it's generational trauma. They've been heavily persecuted by the Romanians through out their existence so much so that being hated feels like second nature to them, that is always living on the fringe of societies. It takes professional psychologies to come out with a strategy that will change the fate of the Gypsies in Romania. But I acknowledge it as a hard endeavor especially with people like you roaming around the land.
@@o-m-b2739 Ah, yeah, the "poor, misunderstood people" nonsense. Yeah, nobody denies that they had a tragic history. But this gives me little solace when they try to rob me. I had the same "oh, people are just racist" mindset, because I grew up sheltered. And then I met actual gypsies in real life, and very quickly realized that when all kinds of people around me, some of which hated each other with a passion, could ALL, without a single exception, agree that gypsies are more often not are trouble and best to avoid, it comes from lived experience first and foremost.
Statistics show that they have increased crime rates, but you still have many fine roma people, they're not all bad, goes without a saying. Actually, most Roma people I personally met were pretty chill and normal. That's my personal experience.
Another story: Rented a place in the Netherlands and never paid rent. When the landlord finally came to check he found they were gone, but the ENTIRE wooden floor and the wooden window frames were removed and burned in the fireplace. And so many live in decrepit unfinished homes, mud and junk in the yard, but inside there is always the biggest flat TV with a satellite dish and a huge powerful music system. It's like part of the culture living like that.
It's like that with them everywhere. They don't have the need for anything else, just the most basic stuff, plus some entertainment, drugs and alcohol. They'll never be integrated into civilized societies because they have no intention of becoming civilized.
The French govern built them houses in Romania. In the next months the burned the windows and doors and the parquet. They they hosted their horses inside.
"Tepes the famous shish-kabob maker" lolol. So many of your jokes pass by so quickly, I think many if not most people miss them. Smeshan ludak. Great video!
Yessss I’ve been looking for a video on Roma peoples for a while. In the US, the exposure we get to this culture is “My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding” or a “Bohemian” store in the mall run by a white woman with unfortunate dreadlocks…
I don't know about their culture but what I see everyday is Gypsy parents putting their little kids as beggars in the streets from an incredibly early age, and they themselves are either beggars or they "clean" (usually muddy water) your windshield focrefully and then ask for payment. The irony being they usually have enough money to buy trucks and phones and other modern day luxuries but they still choose to be beggars instead of educating their kids or entering the workforce.
Fun fact: Here in Brazil, in old times the gypsies were experts in fixing mechanisms in sugar mills and other mechanical devices. They were called "gringos" and were always mysterious, remaining on the margins of general society, trafficking native spices and African slaves that they captured or stole. In the 19th century, when Englishmen mechanics appeared to build and repair the railways all over the country, they were called "gringos" by the population because they performed the same technical function as gypsies in the past, that's why to this day in Brazil we call foreigners "gringos" (Mexicans also use this word with a similar origin, but with a different meaning).
@@Pollicina_db Well, I think in Spanish only Anglo people (from the US/UK) specifically are called "gringos". A Mexican of German origin, for example, will not be called a "gringo" by mexican mestizos. And I read somewhere that the word "gringo" in Spanish also originates from gypsies, but in Mexico it began to be used to designate Anglo-Americans due to the constant cattle thefts carried out by them (which gypsies were already famous for committing), so they were called the same slur as the gypsies. Idk if it's true btw. Here in Brazil there is no slur for "white" people. In my region specifically, blonde people with light eyes are traditionally called "Galegos" (galicians), but it is not offensive or derogatory.
@@bukhariapdelahi7072 No, Brazil's population is virtually half white and half mixed race (black+European, European+native, black+native, etc). Black people make up close to 10% of the population. I myself am Brazilian and my skin is pale. In fact, there are more white people living in Brazil than in Germany, France, UK or any European country other than Russia.
@@Pollicina_dbNah, gringo isn't a Slur, it's just a way to refer to Americans bc "'estadounidense'" is a mouthful and you're not going to ever catch a self-respecting Latino calling them "Americanos" because we're all from America the continent, so gringo it is
Gypsies fled the Balkans to Transylvania & Hungary in multiple waves. They largely lived free as roaming traders, craftsmen and vagrants until empress Maria Theresa tried to forcibly settle them, at which point they became serfs. This was generally percieved as social progress at the time, but it arguably did little to improve their lives. It was better than being a slave in Wallachia or Moldova, but integration into existing communities didn't really work and it just added resentment on top of prejudice. Fun fact: lots of gypsies around Brasov speak Hungarian as a primary language but are still Orthodox - a testament to the A-H school system that semi-successfully integrated them, and a clear sign that the largely Protestant communities is the area never really accepted them. Also, you left out a MAJOR European issue: they were forcibly sterilized in Sweden as late as the early '70s.
My grandpa told me about his brother was kidnapped by gypsies in Italy as a child. They were able to save him but you can’t bring up the word gypsy without it triggering his PTSD.
We had a group of them pass thru our town. Every bit of metal was stripped from the historic cemetery. The wrought iron fencing, bronze head stones, war memorials, flower vases, ect. The state police tracked them down and was able to retrieve some of it.
@@pepita2437 If I say...have you ever lived in US , Asia or Africa to understand how white people abused natives? do think this statement make any sense?
i got robbed by a gypsie my friend got scammed by a gypsie and my friends almost got into a fight with a group of gypsies bc i gave him 20 czech crowns (about 1 euro) so my experiances with the gypsies have been pretty negative
I feel like everyone that speaks positively about Roma have never had to live near them and those who dislike them are the ones that live near them and are victimized by their actions.
Wow, this was very well made and very in depth, and as an Indian, I'd add something that i have observed here. There are still nomadic people around the northern states, called Banjaras, and eastern parts called Bede people who occupy a similar demographic in India. They are heavily persecuted against, and so they adopt very similar traits like the Roma. Though in last 50 years there have been active efforts to recognise their culture and integrate them in society, the prejudice in peoples mind remains a big obstacle. They are a hot tourist attraction though, since they got government recognition and support and they are actually pulling in some decent money from tourism in a legitimate way.
The origins of their nomadism might be the same as what made Romani a "nomadic people". I work in a Romani neighbourhood and know a lot of them very well, and they'll explain if they trust you well enough, that they only became nomadic (and take it up again) out of necessity. The wars that originally ravaged Pakistan and northwest India seem to have displaced a sea of people and some just remained in the general area stuck in a loop, while others ended up scattered all over the world. In reality, here in the Balkans, the Romani who managed to acquire their own living space, jobs and integrated to any degree are seen as hugely succesful, and bit of an aristocracy who "made it", while the ones who are still lets say "vagrant" to some degree are seen as either unfortunate, unsucesful, an underclass within Romani society or a disgrace. The ones who stick to not taking root take the view that dasine/geje ("non-romani" or "white people") will never let a person of color integrate and that anyone settling and enjoying any success of this sort will regret it when the next genocidal wave takes over the pale lunatics around them. You can see where they're coming from, too.
That's facinating. I was wondering if there was any overlap with the history of the word that translates into dont touch with the untouchables of the caste system in India. Would the Banjaras or the Bede be in that caste? ( If the caste system is in that reigon? Or if the caste system or the term untouchables even go back to the time in history that the roma left?) -Please forgive my ignorance I'm unfamiliar with Indian history.
the fact that after the communist system fall in romania after 1989, gypsies been intentionally left to mix with romanians and allowed to push their music/traditions into romanian one until the point now where all romanians are seen as gypsies around the world(of course only by those who never been to romania) and claim themselves as "romanians" despite the fact that they still use their language(the same language they cant write/read) sad to see a beautiful and rich in tranditions and culture like romania to end up like this
Funny you said that .I read a book written by Roma woman and they used to say same thing to they kids ... If you don't behave white gadjo will take you !
they did it all. and thinking of their situation of life, it is naturally. If you don´t breed enough children you have to steal one or you have to buy one. and if you have a sick child you have to let in where you think it is looked after (and guess what we had such a child in our village, was left by zigeuners decades ago.)
Funny story about gypsies in Bulgaria: The government built a panel block only for the gypsies to have a place to live in. However, a few years later the gypsies had to be kicked out and the block demolished. Why? Because the gypsies took out so much of the metal in the reinforced concrete structure of the building that there was a real chance the building would collapse.
The thing is here I always see this happen even the building are In normal conditions sometimes all they need is to repaint the outside but many local governments wanna get rid of gypsies in the city so what they do is kick them out and demolish it then they cause slums on the outskirts to be made
oh boy... yes, this happens in Romania too, but this is only half the story. The other half of the story is that more often than not, they don't have electricity, plumbing, etc. And the apartment is in the middle of nowhere. So what else can you do with such a shithole except tear out the metal from the reinforced concrete?
Svaka ti čast na videu. Making this video took guts and I'm sure whatever hate comes your way because of it, you'll dust it off. I remember in school history classes being told gypsies were mass murdered in Nazi concentration camps, but we never got to learn their history, or what they have been through as a people. Thank you for making this video and I hope a lot more people get to see it. Thank you.
Why would we be taught about it? I don’t mean it in a sarcastic way but most Balkans, at best, were taught about what happened to their people. I’m sure your school didn’t spend much time on what happened to the people in your neighboring countries, why would the focus be on a group of people that was terrorizing as much as anyone else?
@@trashm.1426 we were taught about Jews and what happened to them. We were taught about our own people too. And since Roma are a recognized minority and endured the hardships, maybe not in our midst, but from those of our neighbors, why wouldn't we be taught about them? One of the reasons Roma suffer so much racism and prejudice in the Balkans is because we only know them for their criminal behavior and for being buyers of old things. If we knew more about them and understood them, there would be less racism and prejudice.
@@trashm.1426 Being uneducated about the world leads to poor judgment. Poor judgment often leads to horrible things. It's an important precautionary measure. To prevent what we saw in the past, to prevent new tragedies.
@@hello-o3i noone is stopping you from educating yourself on a topic in your own free time, it is however absurd to expect to learn every single thing about this world in the 4 years of history class that we get (talking about high school obviously). In school we learn about the events that had the biggest impact on the world, the lectures are supposed to lay the base that we can build upon in our own time. If someone sat through all the lectures about the 2WW and hasn’t yet come to the conclusion that we shouldn’t persecute groups of people based on race, nationality or their proclivity to committing crimes (obvious joke about a stereotype), then I hate to break it to you, but learning about the struggles of gypsies isn’t going to make them see the light
Right, I too never knew about the extent of slavery that existed, I just heard a sentence once "Gypsies were slaves in Romania" - but I didn't knew they were slaves for so long and suffered exactly like blacks in US.
I once worked in a video shop and we had a policy of not renting games out unless you had a valid credit debit card on your account (because of rampant theft). I had a guy come in and try rent a game without a card on his account and before I could finish explaining what the situation was, he started having a proper wobbler and was screaming “it’s discrimination! It’s because I’m a traveler, a gypsy! In’t it!?”Next he threw a two litre bottle of coke at my college, knocked over a display of dvds and popcorn before he stormed out of the shop. When the manager came out of the back to see what went on, another customer chirped up and said “bloody pikeys”. Before his meltdown, he was a pretty nice guy and I had no idea that he was a gypsy. Some people just have a chip on their shoulder I guess.
Thank you SO much for making such a video. It is insane to me how much we don't learn about the gypsies's history at school, and I have found myself learning so much from your video.
Dude, I am lowkey obsessed w your channel. I am American and feel woefully uncultured when it comes to the Balkans and Eastern Europe. I loved my teachers in high school but world history is so vast, we can’t learn it all just from a year or two. You make this fun, but you also know how to add details and important information. Many channels are TOO abridged. I hope you continue to find success w RUclips!
Hey, gypsy here, so happy to see such a positive comment section, and thank you for the video on the history of a people I most of the time have to be ashamed of being part of
#jogilroy 🖐🏽 bless up chat fam! Sending luv from Harlem,Ny🙏🏽 ❤💛💚... this video taught me a lot...The culture has always been so awesome 2 me... I've only seen on tv or in literature 💃🏽
So I have a serious question for you. How do you feel about the term gypsy? You self identify that way. I'm curious because as a professional musician I see this coming up more and more when it related to the specific genre of "Gypsy Jazz." I get some people want do away with harmful words and be more sensitive, but this seems like one of those times when white people want to intervene in a performative way rather than actually caring what the people themselves thing. I care a lot about this because black Americans really did have their own music (original jazz) sort of stolen and coopted by white people and then sort of white washed. That's my concern about Gypsy Jazz being relabeled as Jazz Manouche. I feel like in a way it robs the historical ownership of that style of music from the people even if that's not the intention behind it. Obviously I feel like how a given people feel about the terms matter more than a bunch of well meaning white folks. You're just one person and no group is a monolith, but I'd really love your opinion on the topic since I just don't have access to a lot of people I can actually ask about their feelings on the terms Gypsy, Roma, Romani, and Jazz Manouche.
@@Yeargdribblethat’s our real name if you were to call an older person “romani🤓” or “roma🤓” or any of these stupid white ppl terms you’d be looked at weird we’re ghomano we’re gypsies
Interesting! My dad told me once that when he was a kid in Mexico, the “húngaros” (Hungarians) would roll into their village and put on shows or movies with a projector. The whole village would go be entertained, but when they got home they would find out their homes were broken into and robbed. He said every time they rolled in it would happen. I asked him why they would let it happen again after the first time? He just said they put on a good show. 😂 I often wonder if they were Gypsies of Hungarian origin or what. I personally have acquired an appreciation of Gypsy culture because of my liking of flamenco music. Their music in general is very good. If anyone wants to explore the origins and possible journey of gypsies from India to Europe by means of a wild musical ride, check out the movie Latcho Drom.
As someone who speaks Spanish, I knew they were mistakenly thought to originate from Egypt because of “gitano”, but knew they originated from India because I’m also a geography nerd & watch & seen videos of them doing DNA ancestry tests that show their origins. BUT I had no idea they were enslaved. SMH it makes sense now why they’re still discriminated against
There's some openness to interpretation here with the terminology used. I'm a native greek speaker and I've always understood the term to refer to land. "Those who don't touch land", as in settle on a land. But I had a conversation with a gypsy this one time, where he explained to me that in their culture the rest of us are considered impure, so being in contact with us is to be avoided. I guess it could refer to multiple things.
@@dreamystone interesting, is the gypsy saying that the Greeks and non-gypsies are impure as that would make sense as Christians & Muslims would be outside the caste system and thus be “impure”
It could come up in ancestry tests and comparing the ratio of ANI/ASI genes. Since we know they came from north india we can compare the same ratio among privileged and unprivileged castes in the region
In my city there's a yearly event, some kind of cultureal festival in which countries and cultures from all around the world get to participate in food stands with their local cuisine, shows and other activities. The gypsies wanted to be a part of it but they were rejected so they casted a curse on the whole event. From that day several years onward the event was always cancelled by rain. Those mfs are not to be played with.
According to newer research, the reasons the Roma left India seems to be more complicated than them just being refugees from the war (which might've played a part in some way still). There seems to have been a few waves of immigration from the sub-continent during a much longer period than initially believed. The Roma are one of several groups that left. These migrations seems to have alot to do with the Indian caste system. In this system you are born to do a certain job and you are NOT allowed to quit it (by religious decree). So when economic demand for your services dries up, you basically have to starve or leave the country. Many caste groups had became quite economically niche by the Medieval period - there were at some areas a local "drum player caste" which didn't turn out to be economically feasible. And this was the case for many other castes which over time devolved into poverty and outsider status. And this might be an explanation for why some of these groups departed as a whole group. They were looking for new jobs! The Roma left, but still behaved like an Indian caste group, and kept it to themselves. You can't marry outside the group or have much contact with outsiders except work and trade. Another group that migrated is the diverse Dom people which is a similar ethnic group to the Roma, but they migrated much earlier than the Roma and settled in the Middle East. The Dom all clearly come from an ancient Indian caste of musicians - the Dom caste. In central Europe you have the Sinti which are very similar to Roma but are still considered to be a separate group and probably have another geographical origin (in Sindh, present day Pakistan, and not Punjab).
You should look into the history of Cants/Argots/Anti-Language. Many are clearly ancient, and seem to be related to profession/trade. For example, Gumuțeasca, spoken in Margau, Romania, a secret language for traditional glass workers. Or Xíriga, a Spanish secret language for people who work with brick and clay in Asturias Spain. A lot of Europe’s documented Cants/Argots seem to be from the Balkan region, and the various Roma languages such as Southern Vlax seem to be linked to this tradition of secret trade/merchant anti-languages. Another thing to consider, is the growing evidence of contact between the Aegean and the Indus River Valley civilization as far back as 2000 BCE. The Blue monkey fresco excavated at Santorini has been identified as probable Hanuman Langurs from India. Both had indoor plumbing that was either unusually advanced for their time, or we need to reconsider how widespread that level of plumbing tech actually was. Next, the Lycian/Antalya region of Turkey. You have the Lycian free-standing barrel vault tombs, such as the Tomb of Payava (many of these tombs exist in the region) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_Payava. They share an uncanny similarity with architecture found at the Ajanta caves in Northwest India. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajanta_Caves Then there is the Lycian rock cut tombs, such as at Myra and Telmessos which again, share a lot of similarities with Ajanta. The later Hittites had a city in the region called Hinduwa, later called Kandyba by the Greeks, near Çataloluk today. The name can be a coincidence, but I think it is more likely that it is a reference and clue to the people living in Lycia/Antalya region based on the other evidence taken in at the macro level. I have been playing with the idea that the origins of the Roma might have been linked to this speculative Indus connection with the Minoans through this trade network and is much older then the later medieval origin. (and this is highly speculative, this should not be taken seriously. It is merely a mental exercise to establish the limits of what is possible). What if there existed a rich merchant class of Indus valley people living in the Aegean, especially on Thera, similar in function to the later Athenian Metic class? What happens to all of those people when they have to abandon Thera and other nearby islands due to the coming eruption? The mythical Greek Telchines (known for their magic and metal working) left their island home due to some an impending doom. The Telchines are associated with Rhodes/Kos/Lycia which is very close to or in Antalya Turkey. The excavations at Akrotiri on Thera show that the people left before the eruption, which meant they had to go somewhere as refugees. It would make sense they would go to lands familiar/friendly to them. Bring on the follow on Mycenaean ascendency, the Bronze Age Collapse, and the Dorian invasions, then it is realistic to imagine that you have some Indus Valley “Metic” refugees who never quite land on their feet. Especially if they belonged to a smaller subset of a ruling/priestly upper caste who have no useful work trades to bring to their new homes/new rulers. The former servants would merge into the local populous as metalworkers, brickmakers, (whatever trade good they specialized in for their original economic enterprise) while the upper caste refugees would either have to humble/lower themselves and learn a useful trade, or expect to continue to live off the their former servants in a type of shadow culture as a parasitical crime lord. This of course opens up the very far fetched and very unlikely possibility that Rome was in fact founded by very ancient Roma people who DID land on their feet somewhere. We know the Romans get their name from their city, but where did the city get it’s name? This would, of course, be very ironic for the modern day Romanians. Again, just a fun mental exploration at this point.
Interesting. I'd never connect Romani culture to indoor plumbing 😂. People seem to have been in several castes. One caste was called cauldron menders. They were copper smiths and connected to certain magical practices. A lot of superstition connected to gipsies, fortunetelling, evolution of tarot cards and so on. Fact remains these gipsies didn't catch up with the modern world. Nobody needs copper mending. Nor copper thieves. Discrimination is real, but a lot is just pulling out decks full of victim cards. I've met Sinti people that hated to be associated with Romani. Pointed out they don't wear traditional clothes, neither speak the language, they're just beggars and criminals.
Caste system is almost why many "lower caste" south asians (Bengalis for example) converted to islam as well and why most higher caste Indians stayed as hindus since they had it the best
The holocaust museum in Budapest has a lot of information about roma people 🖤 if youre ever in Budapest i highly recommend swinging by! I was lucky enough to go when there were no tourists and i went through the entire musem without seeing another visitor, and i was there alone. It was such a powerful experience, something about the loneliness definitely made it have a even deeper impact on me!
As a gypsy myself,i never knew the history of my race. Being raised by my pure,100% romanian mother,and she being hated by my fathers relatives,i always thought that the stereotypes are true,or the racists were even being easy. But i was wrong. This was a horror movie for me,because its reality. Thank you.
Trust me go out there get to know your culture you’ll fall in love with it romaniphen makes you different many won’t accept you it’s always better to be different
Sorry bro, we failed protecting you ! That's why Sikh religion was born because of muslims invasion and massacres,which allowed them to carry knife. Ultimately they ruled from Afghanistan to Delhi. After that Britishers came.
The history is history, it can explain why people do what they do today - but not justify it. I would trust my own experiences a lot more than a youtube video.
Thank you for taking the time out of your day to make this video. It means so much to me that someone actually acknowledges our history. You made my day. Thank you so much.
@@אלוןשיינפלד Governments are already doing way too much. They literally just live off of welfare and take taxpayer money, while only take away from the community. Do not compare them to Jews, they can integrate very well and have impressive work ethic.
Thank you very much. I am a romanian, I never knew they had such rich but sad history, this wasn't learned in any history class. I heard from a older gipsy that some of their traditions (like marrying when they are still children) were this way to avoid their young girls being "taken" by their masters, by I thought this was in the medieval times, I never knew they were slaves until recent time
Southern Italian gypsies, together with greek and turkish gypsies, are among the oldest legacies in European romas. They left a strong cultural impact in southern Italy to the point that “jokingly” other Italians say there is barely any difference. I recommend everyone interested to read about the abruzzese romas and southern Italian gypsies and Sicilians (also called gitanos) and how they influenced the local cultural dynamics at the time!
I remember in secondary school there was a Romanian Gypsy in our class and we used to just give this guy hell for no reason other than he was a gypsy and was a bit strange to our western worldview. He left school after three years and it took me three more years after that to realise the horrible bullying we had done to the guy. I remember he said, after we called him a gypsy in a slur kind of a way, that he was proud to be a gypsy and we all laughed but truly he was dead right in being proud. Maybe a year after realising I had done terrible wrong by him I ran into him just by chance and he recognised me. The first few things I said to him was that I was sorry for what we did and this guy just would not allow me to say sorry he was like “ahhh it’s okay bro stop it’s alright don’t be sorry” and it really changed my entire perspective of himself and Romani people as a whole. He was a normal guy like us and we tortured him for it. I’ll never forget him. His name was Petre or something similar but we all called him Peter because we were westoids.
A cute anecdote, but the majority of them still don't want to integrate, so who cares. Better the natives bullying them than the other way around - which is how it usually goes...
@@Deni-nl1ce big talk for a fella with a “fix your posture in 5 minutes” video on a playlist. Why don’t you go outside and stand up straight rather than be racist online? ;)
Fun fact for a anyone curious, the building with the clock at 24:54 is the old railway station in Skopje, the current clock lays dormant on the time the 1963 earthquake happened as half the building lays missing. Its now a historical building and a visual reminder of the earthquake.
Па и снимката посе часовникот ако не грешам е од Скопје каде Јануш пиша "Communism". Барем зградите у позадина ми изгледаат како кулите во Центар и Македонска Пошта, сигурно снимена од Кале.
@@DacLMKнајверојатно, прво тешко беше да видам целата слика заради големите букви, инаку управу си. Многу се сменило од кога снимката беше направена, главно многу у чаршија. Кајшто е Вардар реката, планината у позадината ке ти каже дека е Скопје ако ништо друго.
I had an uncle who rented one of his small modest homes to gypsies. There were 8 family members within 2 bedrooms. Pretty soon there were over 50 of them. Nearby i was a waitress in a diner. All 50+ came into a separate dining room seated for 36 people. Not only rude and condescending but actually put their hands in my deep wide pockets and removed my dollar bills. Half walked out without paying ( they put the check in the trash ) All the ketchup/steak sauce bottles had disappeared. I also lived in Greece. Quite common to see Greek people and their children being rude to them. At the time prime minister Papandreou tried to provide housing for them but they refused to go ( this was in the early 80s). I was told by the Greek people ( because I scolded them for being so rude to them) that they injure or maim their children so they can gain sympathy from tourists while they beg for money. Hitler destroyed the gypsies and French leader ( sarkozy whose father was a Greek jew )paid for them to leave France. They took the money, were transported and then returned back to France.
I haven't heard of the injuring children thing, but I've seen many cases of gypsy parents teaching their kids to act mentally handicapped or to pretend to be in main to gain sympathy
A few years ago i heared a story at radio told by a old gypsie who told how on the trains they where beaten, barely feed and abused starting to hold the deads to count and be given more food and many times cannibalise each other until the germans where raided by romanians who lost many soldiers on the road touards gypsies who they where send to save, and the old gypsie could control his emotions and started to cry at the end of the story.
Romanian soldiers saved gjypsies from being sent to German death camps by fighting Germans? Was it after Germany surrendered? Romanians were on the Axis side. Everything I’ve read said that Romanians gladly handed over the local gjypsies to the baddies.
There is 0 records or evidence of romanian operations made specifically to "save gypsies", it was likely nothing more than a coinincidence as romania switched to fight for the allies nearing the end if ww2. 95% of romanian's time in ww2 was spent helping germany
As a romanian, i can say we weren't taught about slavery in our own country. It is sad state when you pass through gipsy villages and see the state they are in. We have a long way ahead with integrating them into society.
I agree. Same thing in hungary. Several people tried to assimilate them but none succeded so far. Hopefully that will change. Their demography is much better than the hungarian and romanian one, so that needs to be fixed too..
@@paulmed42069If you hate romanians you like gypsies because when they chose 'Roma' as a name for themselves they knew that americans will think Romania is the country of Gypsies.
@@Medvelelet did they though? Or did the Hungarian government just throw money at the local bureaucrats who stole most of the appropriation, gave a tiny fraction to the Romas and then pointed fingers at them screaming see "not succeeding".
In my time in Eastern Europe I realized this about Gypsies. There is two groups. There is the vendor and tradesmen and there is the street rat thief and con artist. I don't if these two groups intermingle but they are identifiable visually. Most westerners don't actually know about how annoying the street rat type is. The prejudice exists for a reason.
This video is probably your best so far. Congrats on this achievement! Thanks for the hard work and for giving us insight into this often overlooked topic.
So, something to add about the thing with programs meant to help tigani. I worked in social services for about a decade during which time I became more than familiar with the system itself, and the people. Despite the same people being on the list as beneficiaries, year after year, being treated the same regardless of ethnicity, there are some organizations that still see fit to cry about imaginary discrimination. And to some extent that is true, but not in the way these organizations would like it to be, one of the most egregious and discriminatory programs we had was one where you'd be given money to attend classes in order to learn a trade (I believe the options were landscapist and interior decorator), after you were paid to be taught the trade, a guaranteed workplace would be awaiting you, no entry exams required, it was literally free money. Now, you may be asking, how is this discriminatory. Well, to qualify for these handouts you'd have to have a grade 2 or worse handicap (basically wheelchair-bound) or be tigan. To this day these people who refuse to assimilate (not just in balkan states but everywhere else) are a walking paradox, they have a strong tribal structure but they let their communities go to shit without fail, they have a high drop-out rate from school despite programs being in place to give them a better chance than the average person from the indigenous population, they have high rates of crime despite programs existing to give them higher chances of being hired and making something of themselves. And if you still insist that the balkans are backwards, why is it pretty much the same everywhere else? And a fun fact about communism and tigani, back in the communist days every normal kid was responsible for a tigan, you'd have to go to their house and drag them to school.
I am ethnicially Serbian gypsy but my great grandparents were so enamored by Tito's partisans that they integrated into larger society We just... idk we fucking hate our selves and everything else. It's pure accelerationism. You know that you will only make yourself and everyone miserable, but you walk this path without full, absolute conviction Growing up in any kind of gypsy society means to grow up with misery and hatred for everything and everyone. There's some inklings of positivity but 99% of your life is just seething It's a culture based on mistrust and negativity. I sometimes wonder if psychological support could help, but that too will most likely just be rejected. You give a gypsy happiness and he'll spit it back in your face and blame you for the misery he brought upon himself
idk how to fix it. It's a cultural problem that's so deeply rooted in our psychology. I needed 5 years of therapy to get this out of my head, and it still lingers, and I am probably the .1% of my kind that's willing to change
the europe was in so called dark ages before the gypsies came and after they were declared as slaves of the church and kingdom, the new gold age had begun..
@@Active-VisionThey were brought by Arabs and Turks. Read an actual book on the Ottoman invasions for God Sake. Pseudo-history from non-Europeans is getting more absurd by the day.
In Serbia our best folk singers are Gypsy, you are not a Kafana if you dont hear Džej , Sinan, Šaban and co. in the background. Pure melancholy in every song...
That's sad if it's true... Here in Hungary the only famous gypsy singers are those that the gov. is giving platforms to. Orbán actually loves them and keeps giving them awards and does photo-shoots with them... Oh, and in the meantime, about 95% of the population absolutely hates them all. It's the one kind of minority that even many of the super-woke leftists despise. In fact, even a large part of the gypsies hate other gypsies...
@@sidimightbe That's not true. Serbs don't consider gypsies to be serbian, and we don't mix with each other, although it happens sometimes in some southern villages.
@@Djura567well your biggest nationalist singer who married Serbian nationalist paramilitary is a Roma woman who refers to herself as Serb and no one questions it lol
Lmaoo I am a gypsy and I didn't even know most of these things myself. None the less I am proud to be one, there's no shame in it what so ever. It's only shameful how some gypsy's behave but man.. after listening to all of this, the gypsy's smallest problem was how to raise their kids in order to behave, which goes on even today sadly.
Gypsy here too. Yeah I agree. Our behavior of distrust towards authorities is the natural consequence of our history, but it's high time we change our culture to the better and fight systematic oppression by joining society
@@juannaym8488the blame is split, racism and poverty is a big reason why they are not integrated in a lot of countries. People should be more empathetic
I would say that it's the opposite. A small percent destroy the reputation of the majority -- as it is with many other cultures that get a bad rap because of a few bad apples. @@Deni-nl1ce
As a gipsy living near venice i have to tell you another word we call ourselfes here in italy (but rarely used by non gipsy). We call ourselfes sinti because we believe we originated from a region close to the indus river, the indus river is called sindht in some language that i don't remember, and thats why we call ourselfs sinti.
My father said our family was from gypsies. It’s true. My last name and DNA shows 50% Balkan and Eastern Europe. My grandfather was from Czechoslovakia. But the history of gypsies has never been as thorough and well-presented as this video! Thank you! ❤
I was born in 94. My parent's generations was already considered "aware", my generation always learnt about discrimination and racism as unwarranted, an unjustified thing only awful people do, When I was a kid I was dead afraid to go to school every morning. I have been robbed sometimes in the meanwhile. I have been beat up in the middle of the street twice as an adult. Gypsies taught me discrimination.
In Bulgaria we had a joke about the forced assimilation of gypsies and the name changes they had to endure. Goes as follows: A reporter asks Asen what's it like with having his name changed. Asen: well... Before when I would go down the street people would say: there goes Hasan! Now they say: there goes Asen the gypsy.
Deam that was depressing as hell. Very good video thanks. From the few i knew they have absolutelly no clue where where they come from and what happened to them.
@@rap1df1r3 Yes the gypsies also poisoned my crops and salted the earth so nothing would ever grow again. Look I have a bit of a surprise for you. Both white people and gypsies commit crimes. Shocker right? Not only that but there are both white and gypsies live in poverty. Albeit the gypsies live more in poverty. White people rob, gypsies rob, white people kill, gypsies kill and to be honest i've seen more "hood" white kids in my town than gypsy kids, even if they live in a two story house. Also funny thing, I found an EU chart named "Victims of crime by ethnicity" and gypsy sample size is less than 100, showing that the EU doesn't really give a shit about them. Funny.
What do you mean field slaves had it worse? House slaves had it way worse. Females-violated and males-castrated. I'd take heavy work on the field over either of those.
It seems so but it was a lot more likely for eunuchs and sex workers to gain some influence despite their sorrows, for a field worker being whipped almost on a daily basis it was impossible.
@@zuraorokamono204 Social status doesn't matter if you a) are a dude and have no balls, therefore no testosterone(I'd rather be put out of my misery cause my life at that point doesn't matter) b) be a woman and get involuntarily stripped of your dignity and private autonomy, and potentially be forced to have your abuser's children. People should get their priorities straight.
@@zuraorokamono204 "some influence" doesn't matter if 1)as a dude you have no balls and can't even produce testosterone and function as a male anymore (I'd rather end myself, rather than suffer such an existence) or 2)as a women, being stripped out of your dignity and potentially forced to bear your abuser's child. So, no, if your priorities are correct, being a house slave is undoubtedly worse than being a field-slave.
@@zuraorokamono204 "some influence" doesn't matter if 1)as a dude you have no balls and can't even produce testosterone and function as a male anymore (at that point, what's the point of holding on to life) or 2)as a women, being stripped out of your dignity and potentially forced to bear your abuser's child. So, no, if your priorities are correct, being a house slave is undoubtedly worse than being a field-slave.
@@kurtslavain I understand what you're saying but you're looking at those situations from your perspective and your living standards. Some people condemned to a life of misery from the start would often learn to use their misfortunes to their advantage. Eunuchs were close to their master's wives and court maids were intimate with their masters. I'm not saying that was the case in general or that they were ever happy but they surely had more opportunities than field workers. As a free person dignity and legacy might be everything, but as a life long slave you gotta make due with whatever life throws at you.
Classic. In my area, they steal street lamps, wooden planks from benches, clothes that are left out to dry, car wheel rims, cars, any type of cable and everything else thay can
They fucking killed my gf mother and then destroyed her house when her family left, we saw the remains when she got back in the country, it's a mess, everything was stolen, water pipes, cable, etc were deviated to other home and big dog were all over the garden, we needed to RUN, the entire hood who was once pretty calm is full of those big gipsy house they contruct with stolen money from the west, it's disgusting, that sympathetic take on those people is shit, they ain't multi-century old being who remember bein slave, tigani of today romania didnt experienced slavery, stealing and making crime is just part of that so called culture.
In Mikkeli 2002 two gypsy/roma groups started shooting at each other in middle of town square, my mom was at there when it happened and she ran into mcdonalds for cover.
Romania and Hungary do not hate each other (I am Moldavian Hungarian(Csango) and we live here for hundreds of years in peace), those brainwashed Viktor supporters are the ones who start the internet fights.
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Goofy ah music is very goofy 19:53
Bro i find these vids offensive and relatable at the same time. How are you doing that???
Hi.
is the music between 19:00-20:00 waltzing matilda?
Now imma be real with you. As an African American back in 2021 I thought the balkans consisted of Greek gypsies and Turkish gypsies. And that’s why tall hated each other. That’s pretty damn ignorant but I’m just showing you how far I’ve grown.
One of my best friends from middle school was a gipsy. He disliked being called roma. Was a really nice guy, smart, well-mannered and now he is a physics professor at a university in the UK. His brother on the other hand is in jail for stealing cars in Germany.
Why he disliked that?
that's dosne't mean its ok to call them that. Its like saying "i had a black friend who didn't mind me saying the n word"
@@EmbrodI am gypsy/Romani
I am not bothered by being called Roma but I think the term is kinda... idk it just doesn't feel right. It's less inclusive than gypsy but honestly feels somehow more loose. Like I have a clear picture when I hear gypsy, I don't have a clear picture when I hear Roma. It's hard to explain
I guess it would be how some black Americans prefer being called over black compared to African American? idk
@@anonemusofficial2511 they just don't like the "Roma" denomination.
It's like you calling a black man negro to them.
@@anonemusofficial2511 I think it's smart to ask a Roma person how they handle describing their ethnic background. My family prefers gypsy over Roma, but there's people with opposite views too
Never ask:
-A woman about her age
-A man about his salary
-A European about what he thinks of Gypsies
Or a gypsy what they have in their pockets 😅😜
it's all fun and games until your neighbor sells his house to a gypsy family as a revenge to another neighbor and suddenly you have 7 gypsy families with concert grade speakers blasting their "music" through half the village all day so loudly your entire house is vibrating like a subwoofer
Only the people that have met gypsies now why they are hated
@@ytubestolemyhandle I think this is one of the examples the poster meant. It is only problems with them. In a perfect world they go back where they belong and where they came from.
@@ytubestolemyhandle if they just blast music we can way you are definitely lucky.
The next step is to find they filled the stairs with trash and, sometimes, dead animals.
I have an apartment that has been in that situation for years, and I was just empty, because it wasn't even possible to rent it.
Finally 7-8 years ago police expelled all gypsies (2 apartments occupied, one by not paying the rent and the other straight occupied because it was empty) with "kindness" and we were able to restore the area.
I have a Gypsy friend, he's a really cool and fun guy, but my biggest mistake was i accidentally mentioned him once infront of my Romanian classmates, now they greet me with a "O Tsigan" every morning 😭😭😭
Damn
Edit:Thanks for the likes guys :)
it is the Balkans 😂
as they should.
Welcome to the gang, Țigan cel Mare.
To me you're either a Krkan or a Tsigan.
Growing up in Bulgaria, my parents used to tell me that if I don't finish my plate, the gypsy kid would be stronger than me in a fight. I find this inspiring.
even if youre stronger, he'll just come back with his 6 siblings and 12 cousins to gang up on you and then be protected as a minority group and get barely into any trouble.
@@hdmofo6757 ICANT
Good example of how racial and ethnic discrimination begins in childhood and is taught by bigoted parents. My mother also suffered from this irrational hatred of gypsies because she grew up with a few bad examples of gypsies in her village so she assumed that all gypsies are like that. It is true that because of a lack of culture and poverty, many gypsies take up a life of crime, the same is true for any other ethnic or national group that is exposed to similar social conditions. But because gypsies are still a minority in most european countries, most criminals in jails will still be a majority of european (white people).
In short, poor people are poor no matter the color of their skin and if you grow up in a poor neighborhood and you have an above average intelligence you will probably make it your life mission to escape that place and become successful somewhere else.
Bruh same, my parents also told me that if I sing on the table im gonna marry a gypsy.
I was also threathened like if they would kidnap me
In the 60s I had a gypsy classmate at the university in Budapest. He came from the eastern part of Hungary, near the Soviet (today Ukrainian) border. He said that his biggest problems were not with Hungarians but with other gypsies. Every time he visited his parents in their village during holidays other gypsies beat him up because "he wanted to be white". One year he ended up in hospital for several weeks because of this beating. Of course, no witnesses were prepared to testify. After that, he never returned to his village. He worked real hard and managed to graduate.
So, similar situation with blacks in murica.
@@Embrodyes. Only Gypsies are much worse in the tradition department because they actually have a whole culture behind it.
most gypsys are white though
@@eatinsomtin9984 No they're not
@@eatinsomtin9984 no they're not lmao
I think the biggest challenge is school. I have seen really bright little Roma kids who don't even try to listen because nobody at home cares. And if they do try to do well they get put down a peg by the community. Had a 6 year old kid who said she wanted to be a nurse but knew she couldn't because she wasn't allowed.
So true, from what I know there's quite prominent anti school and anti integration narrative in Roma families. I knew few growing up, but it always seemed like they just dropped out at one point or another, or they just went to "expected" professions. While I do think the face racism, quite bad at that sometimes. I do think it's self inflicted quite a bit. Roma seem to have quite strong culture that really just stops them from climbing up.
@@mukkaar I mean, I wouldn't blame them for being wary of any kind of integration after literal centuries of slavery, and multiple attempts at genocides.
roma parents are trash ALWAYS
The Romani is a cult not an ethnicity
Yea they’re doing really well on their own now
Used to play football with a Gypsy when I was younger, used to be a real chill guy but now he’s a hard criminal
No surprise there xD
Natural development
No way dude I would have never guessed
Ok so I know nothing about Gypsies. Is this a stereotype? Is it normal? Are all gypsies criminals? Someone explain plz
Is it Orban?
Being someone born and raised in Montenegro the first time I had actual experience with Gypsies was when 11 years old me and my ten or so friends about my age went to play football behind our school. First we were playing between ourselves, then about ten Gypsy kids came and asked to play against us. We agreed and both parties enjoyed a fun time until the eldest from the Gypsy group said he wants to keep the ball we were playing with, which was actually decent quality and belonged to my friend. He obviously refused to give it to him, which made the Gypsy crazy mad. He punched one guy who was telling him to go away, but eventually they ran away and we continued playing football between ourselves like we did before Gypsies came.
Then after maybe half an hour, love and behold, an actual horde of 20-25 Gypsies, armed with wooden planks and metal pipes approaching our football field. We ran for dear lives, hid in a supermarket for 20 minutes until police came to disperse their crowd and let us go home.
That's crazy! What did your parents say?
@@slavicemperor8279 yeah as a Roma I’m not surprised but please understand we have different type of Roma groups and each groups has their own values way of thinking traditions music styles dances and etc we are not all the same .. we don’t look at these stupid low life ones as our own just like the none roma don’t get along with them it’s the same within roma communities we are nothing like them and they are nothing like us as if we were two opposite ethnicity’s from each other .. there are the musicians groups who just plays music entertain there are the traditional roma families who makes their living by either working and or buying and selling things and there are these crippled poor Roma families who usually lives on the outskirts of the towns villages where they grow up with nothing and from those they have these individuals who’s batsh.t crazy kinds like wild street dogs that’s how they live and grow up ..
basic cigan expirience
Those damn Romanians
@@Slicky165 tsk tsk tsk no no no its cigani
In my Polish town not so long ago we had a self-proclaimed "king of the gypsies", he was an extremely respected and was de facto the head of the local gypsy community.
Yeah they tend to organise themselves this way, a family member working in the Belgian immigration system told me he knew three different « king of the gypsies »
I think a lot of countries with a significant populations have a self proclaimed king.
Here in romania we also have/had one.
a w jakim miescie?
@@danutmhPoland doesn’t have significant gypsy populations
Usurper! Everyone knows that the one true Gypsy King was the late Rene Karoli from Norway! If there is to be one now it must follow his line to the closest living relative of the Karoli clan! (jk btw, but we also had one)
As a Bulgarian, I can confirm that a share my village on the outskirts of Pleven with several Romani that casually make me play Yu Gi O cards with them . Every night we all cast a curse on the North Macedonians as well.
Lol
Какво? Ако псуваш макендонец, псуваш кръвен брат или сестра. Омразата крепи разделението!
Mega based
😂
so cute XD
A gypsy friend of mine literally been thrown out the window as a baby, he's adopted and has great parents, he was abusing drugs for a while. Now he has been off drugs and he's been working a lot, both on himself and financially, he's been going to the gym and he's a very good friend
Jesus
What kind of monster would literally throw a goddamn BABY!?!? Wtf man!!?!?
@@frankenweeny8785
You haven't seen the video/gif of the gypsy woman using another kid as a mace against a guy? Or heard of how they make like 12 kids and send them to beg or mutilate them for extra money especially from the states?
I assure you any stories you heard about gypsies are probably sanitized for the internet, even this video
@@frankenweeny8785 Maybe the house was on fire and he was safely thrown into the arms of another person?
@@rippspeck We don't know that
I can't tell you how many times my schedule was messed up because the gypsies kept stealing copper wires from the railway my train was on...
how do you know if it was a gypsy?💀
@@Alan2ez people from the Balkans know why
@@初日の出_初日の入りracism? Yeah
they weren't stealing, they were framed according to the guy who made the video.
@@Alan2ez because no one else steals copper wires
Funniest(and saddest) part is that politicians use Romani people as cheep voters in Serbia and Montenegro. In Serbia,few years ago,Romani managed to get Hungarian party a lot of seats in a place where Hungarians make less than ~3% of population due to wrong advertisement. In Montenegro,politicians buy Romani votes for 20 euros while Romani themselfs live in slums. Few days ago,a slum in Bar(coastal city in Montenegro)burned down,killing 4 people(2 or 3 were underage). There was also Karton City(cardboard city)in Belgrade that was,as it names implies,made out of cardboard and nearly 1000 people lived there.
In my country, the leftist party used them by telling them that they where gonna give them rights, it was a plus of almost a million votes
yay democracy!
The same phenomenon occurs is Romania, where local politicians give them "gifts" and "get-out-of-jail-free cards" in exchange for votes. The worst thing I've witnessed is politicians giving them tips on how to scam the national social insurance programs, incentivizing dirt-poor gypsies to have more kids, because more unemployed, uneducated gypsies = more votes.
same in russia 😳
Wow 😮
Wow man, this might be your opus. So much history here I was unaware of, presented as entertainingly as ever. Excellent work.
Thank you so much
This is a great lesson in history about the Balkans and its culture.
But I believe we can get much higher.
@@csmrookie9600we can and shall
@@LivingIronicallyinEurope
Lol wow the US must have been child's play compared to Europe.
@@thewingedhussar4188 read up on the islamic slave trade too. That is a whole another can of worms.
When I was growing up in eastern europe, my parents would tell me that if I misbehaved, the gypsies would come and take me away.
Did they?...... take you away?
🤣 me too
Here in Italy this has happened once. A bunch of gypsies took a little girl hostage inside a shopping mall. I also got robbed by them once, and they illegally settled in a private farming land near where i live. Maybe it's just the ones in my area, but they are the worst people i've ever met. They are like a fucking barbarian camp from Civilization games. I swear my country has the worst type of gypsies.
Here in Italy this has happened once. A bunch of gypsies took a little girl hostage inside a shopping mall. I also got robbed by them once, and they illegally settled in a private farming land near where i live. Maybe it's just the ones in my area, but they are the worst people i've ever met. They are like a fucking barbarian camp from Civilization games.
Same 😅
During my childhood my family had to live in a neighborhood with Gypsies. God forbid that any of you reading this comment have such an experience. We couldn’t leave anything outside of our house, and sometimes they would even break into our house to steal. We had a garden and they would also steal every fruit and berry from there. Once my dad bought me a bike and the next day it was gone. The neighbors Gypsy boy was riding it. My father went after it, they swore and spat at him, even threw rocks and him but he returned the bike. Their family was just very sad, the father didn’t work and the mother made money by stealing wallets. Once they finally bought a car they rode around on it like it was a royal carriage and tried to flex it as much as possible. Then they started selling drugs. And then we moved :)
Most accurate description of gypsy culture lol
They aren't all like that. Trust me.
My apartment complex right now 😂
Gypsies are like the black people of Europe
@@letthelightshineinwe will believe it when we see it
As a Slovenian gypsy (or half gypsy to be precise), I can say that the mentality of people as well as the overall picture has changed a lot since my childhood. I live in a gypsy village that resembles a typical local village with all the needed modern infrastructure (electricity, water, internet, proper housing...) and is considered one of the most advanced and organised romani settlements in the world. Also most people now have jobs and are getting educated. I myself have a college degree and work at a reputable company. The stigma is partially still there, but it is also easy to see that it can slowly but surely be erased if the correct steps are taken by society, both the gypsies and the rest.
So I have a serious question for you. How do you feel about the term gypsy? You self identify that way. I'm curious because as a professional musician I see this coming up more and more when it related to the specific genre of "Gypsy Jazz." I get some people want do away with harmful words and be more sensitive, but this seems like one of those times when white people want to intervene in a performative way rather than actually caring what the people themselves thing.
I care a lot about this because black Americans really did have their own music (original jazz) sort of stolen and coopted by white people and then sort of white washed. That's my concern about Gypsy Jazz being relabeled as Jazz Manouche. I feel like in a way it robs the historical ownership of that style of music from the people even if that's not the intention behind it.
Obviously I feel like how a given people feel about the terms matter more than a bunch of well meaning white folks. You're just one person and no group is a monolith, but I'd really love your opinion on the topic since I just don't have access to a lot of people I can actually ask about their feelings on the terms Gypsy, Roma, Romani, and Jazz Manouche.
@@Yeargdribble
In Hungary:
'Roma > Gipsy was a '90s 'invention' of the Lefties.
There were Skinheads, there was a need for sensations for the press, (as always).
Huge loads of money were spent to targeted education, + several other helping projects.
But the crime rate wouldn't lower, nor the school marks rise.
They scapegoated the: 'racist whites'.
Also stole the money. (The white politicians this time.)
Check dis out:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alad%C3%A1r_Pege
The main page wouldn't mention his ethnicity,
but if you scroll lower:
'Categories:
..Hungarian Romani people'
The answer to this might not be that simple. The word gypsy is often used as a slur, but it depends on the context. Among Romani (at least where i come from) the term is often used in conversation without malintent, depending on the language you converse in. Conversing in romani, the word would be "roma", but conversing in Slovene you would often say "cigan", meaning gypsy. I myself would not take it lightly if I hear someone saying it with malintent, but among friends it is accepted and i would retort with the same word.
When it comes to music, I see no problem with calling it "Gypsy Jazz". As a musician myself, I can immediately identify the music by this description alone and see no need to relabel it otherwise. Although the word "manouche" in some romani languages would mean "person" or "man", which is probably an attempt to make the term more culturaly acceptable, but as i said, I have no problem with calling it Gypsy Jazz and would actually prefer this term to any other.
@@Pipsonite Im from Germany and I wouldn't use the word "Ziegeuner" because it sounds ugly to me. Kinda like, pardon the weird comparison, "ficken" means "to fuck" but sounds way more ugly than it's english counter part. German words are really hit or miss regarding aesthetic sound."Gypsy" sounds normal enough to me but it's interesting that it comes from the misconseption that Gypsies come from Egypt
O zigano
I'm British, and I met this British gypsy girl online. She thought she was distantly Romanian and Egyptian but, in reality, had no clue. I found it interesting as I felt I knew her heritage better than her. She was taken out of her school by her family and wasn't allowed back, agaisnt her wishes was basically locked in her own home. Despite being 18, only had up to 11 year old education. Its because of this that in general the gypsy community gets the worst results in school, two times worse than any other ethnic group, with girls affected especially.
Mostly they are unemployed, and rely on social services
Yeah it's super sad, even infuriating. There are good schools with majority gypsies here in Bulgaria, there are bright intelligent gypsies, but after 8th grade the boys start working, the girls get married and they have no opportunity to integrade with larger society.
No it's because they're degenerated
A lot of gypsies will keep their kids in school to learn basic math and reading. But deal with a lot of food insecurities and housing problems. So they feel like they need "all hands on deck" just to survive. But this is sentiment shared a lot. When a lot of gypsies live normally in society like everyone else. Like me, a gypsie.
Gypsies in UK are a lot different then in rest of the EU.
Its amazing how you have gone from mainly a "balkan comedy" channel to a history/anthropology/geography channel!
There seems to be this huge misunderstanding where Westerner believe that eastern Europeans just hatw gypsies for being gypsies which is wrong. People hate the thieving gypsies (and there's a lot of them) not the regular law-abiding, school-going ones. Both of my brothers' best friends are gypsies and no one ever had any issues with them because their families adapted to the local life style yet they never denied their ethnicity. On the other hand those guys also hate the thieving gypsies. Simple as.
Crime occurs in social deprivation.
But organized crime in Eastern Europe is more advanced and often dominated by the dominant ethnicity (Slavic, Romanian, Hungarian, Albanian or other).
But it's always easier to focus on petty crimes and scapegoat ethic minorities, isn't it. Right?
@@RobespierreThePoof and what are you doing with people of Slavic, Romanian, Hungarian, Albanian or other background?? The hypocrisy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Although there are problems in the Gypsy community in Bulgaria (poverty, theft, prostitution, etc.) here is an interesting story - I was smoking with a co-worker of mine outside my office 4-5 years ago. A little gypsy kid, about 10 years old, was ridding a (non-electric) scooter nearby. I told him that he won't be able to jump over a curb nearby and this 10 year old became cocky as a 15 year old ("Who...me?! Ofcourse I can do it!" and the like). He gained speed and just barely jumped over the curb with his scooter and I told him "OK, let me treat you to something from the cafeteria" and I walked inside, him following me. The lady behind the counter started yelling "Oh, hell no, get out of here, you!" and I realised she was talking to him. I was baffled and asked "why?" after which she asked me if he is with me, I said "yes" and she muttered "well, OK, then". This 10 year old boy, that was cocky as a 15 year old a minute ago, became shy as a 5 year old. I asked him if he prefers Fanta or Coca-Cola, Bounty or Twix etc. and he just kept saying "I don't know" with his head down. I got some drinks and candy-bars for him and he said "thank you", while still keeping his head down. I am not sure what went through his head, whether it was the first time he experienced such things, but to be honest I replayed this event in my head and I am angry at myself for not doing 2 things - scolding the lady at the counter and trying to talk to the kid afterwards (altough I still don't know what I am suppossed to say in this case). If the lady (~50 years old) behind the counter was a man my age I would probably have told him to go f&ck himself...but yeah, I think about that sometimes. The kid probably thinks about it more. He should be 14-15 years old now, probably angry at the world around him. The moral of the story is - it's not important whether the chicken or the egg came first (people in the Balkans know which debate I am refering to), it's important to think about solutions and treat people the same way you want to be treated.
A lot of gypsy kids are like this they fear white people especially older ones they usually treat them very badly overtime they develop hatred towards the white population and that’s how they end up becoming known asocials 99% of the time their behaviour and ways would change if society started treating them like human from a young age
As a gipsy from Finland, I can tell you learn from a very young age that you are different and unwelcome to most things. As a child you know its because of your heritage, but still see yourself the same as everyone else, and wonder why am I disliked when i do nothing wrong. Mostly to deal with this you either pull out of non-gipsy circles or grow a very hard shell to protect yourself of constant hurt.
There are many flaws within our culture, but much more beatiful things. Some wander for the darker path because of not getting a fair chance in life. Getting an apartment, job, friends etc.. are very difficult even tho you dont have criminal record and have good credit scores. Some people ask me about our black magic even in this day and age.
Thank you for your story, good deeds carry far and can impact someones life greatly.
There might have been a disagreement between the older lady and the cocky boy so it was best not to get involved.
There's a smart looking Gypsy community near the town of Dryanovo in Bulgaria (the houses are looking better and better every year, and there is a nice children's playground built by the commune). We know a few of the Gypsies as we've employed some of them for seasonal work, and on occasion given them a lift in our car.
There are still flashpoints in Gabrovo, but here, things are getting better now as Gypsies work in local shops, garages, schools, and for the town hall. There are outreach projects from the community and children do attend school.
I took 2 Bulgarian gypsies with my taxi and somehow they stole the cars floor mats from the back. Also when I was living near a gypsy neighborhood, my cars antenna and window wipers would get stolen in like every other week. I've moved away from there and I don't take gypsies as clients anymore. Not because I'm a racist of any kind, (I'm a foreigner in Bulgaria too) but just because it fixes "my shit is getting stolen" problem. I don't care about root causes, I just know what I see and what I experience. So that lady had a point, definitely she has more experience with gypsies than you. People who defends gypsies, usually are the people who live in a bubble, in a safe space where they never have to deal with gypsies.
bro, I want to hug you
When I lived and worked in Turkey teaching English I had two Turkish friends who (secretly) told me about thier Gypsy ancestry. One told me she was Bulgarian/Turkish/Gypsy because her grandparents were kicked out of Bulgaria in the early 1980s when Bulgaria was kicking out Muslims. She said her ancestral family were Gypsies in Bulgaria who converted to Islam in the 18th century, and became middle class working for Ottoman administrators until the World War 1. She could speak Turkish, Bulgarian, English, understood Kurdish, some Farsi and some Arabic. She had extended family members living in Bulgaria, Lebanon, Armenia, Germany and Turkey.
We didn't kick them out - they just had to get party acceptable names (everyone had to have a communist party acceptable names) so the commies could register them for tax like everyone else - something that is culturally unacceptable and so they were escorted to the border - some changed their names and stayed of course.
Wow, she could be a great translator
@hawkingstar1698 Ha ha! I told her that, and she said that actually it wasn't a big deal since all the members of her family had to speak 2 or 3 languages because they were scattered. I was impressed, but to her it was normal. She worked for university administration.
MY FAMILY TOO ARE SECRET GYPSIES RELATED TO THE HUNS FROM ATTILLA THE HUN AND VLAD THE IMPALER BLOOD LINE OUR MAIN DIETY TO WORSHIP WAS BABY JESUS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND TOOK A CATHOLIC VENIER IN THE PUBLIC EYE BUT AT HOME WE HAD ALL THE FIXINGS A GYPSIE FAMILY WOULD HAVE AND LIVE LIKE SHHHHH DONT TELL NOBODY 🤐
Gypsies are also great liars, beside great thieves.
I am romaniam working in UK. There are bulgarian and romanian gypsies working here and also indians. We discovered the count from 1 to 10 its identical in gypsy language with one of the languages spoken in India :D Although we knew gypsies come from India it was amazing to see gypsies kept their language over such a long time and with such acuracy.
I find it more amazing Indians kept their own indian language to be honest , they were attacked when the gypsy fled and was STILL under attack just 50 years ago going through colonization and Invasion. How are they still alive??
Yeah disgusting. Get out.
@@MHCE444 who were they under attack from 50 years ago?
Oh my god that sounds so cool!! Its incredible how even after being separated for so long the languages didnt diverge beyond recognition
Love Romania 🇷🇴 , my family friends always get us Rachiu when they visit us ❤️🇮🇳
The balkan kids have heard two things growing up ,either"if you misbehave the gypsies will take you"or "we got you from the gypsies for X amount of grain,rice,flour etc" My price was apparently 1kg of flower.What was yalls price?
Handfull of rice
a plate of spaghetti or one souvlaki
Borat’s home village was not in Kazakhstan, it was in Romania. Sasha Baron Cohen lied to the Gypsy villagers saying he is filming a documentary to show the struggles of the Roma community. They didn’t know anything about Borat and he didn’t give them a penny.
Classical (((Cohen))) behavior 😄😄
Keep in mind it was a Romanian studio
Typical Jewish behaviors
Based
Tricky fellow that Mr cohen is huh
My grandfather was a Gypsy from Hungary who fled communism in the 50s~60s. I never had the chance to meet him but after seeing this video, I can imagine his life was hard.
When I lived and worked in Turkey teaching English I had two Turkish friends who (secretly) told me about thier Gypsy ancestry. One (college administrator) told me she was Bulgarian/Turkish/Gypsy because her grandparents were kicked out of Bulgaria in the early 1980s when Bulgaria was kicking out Muslims. She said her ancestral family were Gypsies in Bulgaria who converted to Islam in the 18th century, and became middle class working for Ottoman administrators until the World War 1. She could speak Turkish, Bulgarian, English, understood Kurdish, some Farsi and some Arabic. She had extended family members living in Bulgaria, Lebanon, Armenia, Germany and Turkey.
There's almost no one whose life wasn't hard during those times in this region...
Where is my scooter?
Same
So you are a gypsy yourself
Unironically I think this is one of the most underrated and interesting stories of a people group.
And a rather sensitive and sympathetic portrayal.
Brother they were slaves lol@@Hajde_budalla
@@dozenbuzzard2662 so what? everybody was a slave at some point in history, Christian whites were slaves to ottomans.
@@dozenbuzzard2662 as they should be
Another example of why mass immigration is wrong. They should have been deported to India a long time ago.
Dracula used Gypsies on the front lines so they were slaughtered by the Ottomans thinking it will be a easy victory and then they will be ambushed by the the real soldiers.
I wonder if the ottomans were confused seeing darker skinned soldiers than their selves (Turks) supposedly fighting Christian crusaders 😂
@@dova238 the turks understood Europe quite well. I think they knew of gypsies
@@dova238turks are white skinned bro
@@kdrhn9601 Not all are. A lot are darker like other Mediterranean peoples.
@@dova238 I don't think you'd see that too well on the battlefield
This video remember me how much i was bullied by gypsies as a kid and teenager, every time someone ask them why they bully and hate me they said to im too chill and mind my own business too much for them to don't bully and beat me every time they see me.
Yup thats Middle school
Yup that’s gypsies
I my self was attacked 2 times by group off gypsies in my childhood for 0 reasons
@@dzonikg and let's not forget how the last year some gypsies killed a young driver and post it on Facebook and the whole community, what was already therorized by gypsies, wanted to kill them and the police from 3 counts hold them off enough for gypsies to escape and the commisar did everything posible to ignore the reporters.
@@idiotwithagun743 that was the whole school years from chinder garden to highschool.
As someone studying Tudor England, I must clarify that Gypsies were considered "vagrants" in Tudor England, which at the time was a big social issue for the country. Vagrants were unemployed people wandering the country for jobs, believed to be the cause of much of the crime and evil in the country. Initially gypsies were tolerated (despite having laws passed against them to leave or assimilate into English society) and were successful in jobs in entertainment, music, and arts. However, once the issue of vagrancy was seen as a national threat, gypsies were treated with much more fear and suspicion, and there was a belief that English born gypsies were simply pretending to be gypsies to avoid being considered a vagrant. The reason they were branded with a V and eventually put into slavery was because they were later seen as vagrants, wandering the country for work and crime, not just because they were gypsies.
I don't know much English history, but I thought the Magna Carta prohibited slavery? Wasn't that what started the anti-slavery movement in the 1700's?
@@andre3328 Also not much into English history but in most Western and Northern European countries, slavery was actually prohibited pretty early on in the Middle Ages, enslavement of foreign ethnicities, especially non-Christians and non-Europeans however was justified either by excluding them from the application of said prohibition, or by passing new laws allowing slavery of certain people. For example France abolished slavery in 1315, enslavement of blacks in the colonies was allowed in the 17th century and a "Code noir" was passed to regulate how it worked.
@@andre3328I thought slavery was abolished on the British Isles in 1805. It wasn’t abolished in their colonies until much later on, as in Australia and Canada indigenous peoples were sometimes used as slaves and Canada had a small population of Africans also used as slaves.
Racists RARELY do racoata acts just because of "race" even the mazis have ENTIRE books explaining the material reason to do what they did.
@@therealspeedwagon1451 The definition of what a slave is can change heavily depending on the era and country. Medieval serfs are not slaves and stand in the social class above slaves, yet if you would treat people today like a serf others would see you as a slave driver and you would be guilty of human traffacking.
My last name is gypsy from English to Polish, and my grandad escaped from Poland to the United Kingdom and flew in the RAF after losing his brother to the Nazis camps, still got family in Warsaw.
Cygan?
Very interesting!
How do y'all keep in touch after so long?
@@koriolakorni5041 yes
The facr that you still have family there makes you very lucky considering the horrors the Nazis inflicted and pretty much everyone else in Europe.
Only watching this to be racist more accuratelly
If this helps, the Gypsies spread lice a couple times a year in my daughter's schools in CZ.
Funny how the Gypsies are almost never mentioned when talking about the Holocaust, in western countries. I have studied both in the USA and The Netherlands, at prestigious universities, and the Holocaust was brought up quite frequently (especially in the US) but the killing of the gypsies was straight up denied every time. For them, only the Jews died, and when I pointed out the it wasn't true, I was threatened by my professors. I grew up in Romania, surrounded by gypsies, in a poor neighborhood. They were, and will always be my friends, and seeing their history being erased by a specific group of people that I won't name, is frustrating as fuck.
Later edit: Even though half of you say that you learned about the Gypsy’s history with the Holocaust, most of you also agree that this history was barely mentioned, while the major focus was on the Jews. That’s the idea! It’s easy to “forget” about these people when that main focus is on the Jews. Agree with me or not, but most teachers choose to only speak about the sufferings of the Jews. At the end of the day, the Gypsy’s never use the Holocaust as an excuse to commit genocide…
As someone from the US, part of me would say it depends on what history book you're reading that'll mention who perished in the Holocaust. That said, I can't recall well if they mentioned them. Then again as I said, it was a history book for Americans and as far as I know, we don't have the same experience or level of knowledge compared to the rest of Europe such as Romania.
I remember a story about how a guy was on a European forum and mentioned how gypsies were frequent victims of the Holocaust, and then was banned for talking about the Nazis in a positive light
That's because in Eastern Europe, everyone wants the gypsies gone.
Idk I got my education in the US and they always mentioned Slavs and gypsies during talks about the Holocaust
Perhaps because there's few of them in those areas. Or maybe the (((History teacher))).
J, this was probably your Magnus opus - well done! Here in Sweden 🇸🇪 there’s three kinds of gypsies: (1) old Swedish gypsy families who have probably been around since the 1800 or early 1900s; (2) Finnish gypsies who came here from Finland in the 1950/60s and (3) Romanian Gypsies who came here in the past ten years. The first are a mix of well integrated and criminals, the second are quite conspicuous due to distinct dress while the third are mainly begging outside grocery stores. To be honest, neither are generally seen as productive members of society.
There’s also a kind of Swedish travelers who are not an ethnic group but some kind of old social class. Don’t think they have anything to do with Roma.
We have "Travellers" in the UK, who are usually of Irish origin. As far as I know, they are distinct from Roma Gypsies, They are a plague on decent society. They go out of their way to be as antagonistic, anti-social, and obnoxious as possible. No one I know has ever had a positive interaction with Irish Travellers, they are despised, but they know how to play the system.
AFAIK the Travelers are just a much earlier wave.
They just integrated into society much better than subsequent waves. (They even got local names, and later on surnames).
_They absolutely do not want to be called Roma,_ even if some of them know a lanugae that is like Roma, just older.
Then there are the "Boat People" or "Boat Travelers", who were like Travelers, but on boats. (They are extinct now, as they settled, as the need for small scale logistics died with the container ships, and the automobil).
i think there's also those last kind in denmark. i saw a couple of them pushing a large cart during summer and they were wearing some badges on their vest/coat.
Romanis has been here in Sweden since the 1500's
Looks like RUclips didn't like my honest appraisal of Irish Travellers in the UK.
Just to add, as a Romanian: the Gypsy culture has a deep understandable embedded resistance to integration. The programs that aim at integrating them often receive backlash and straight up rejection by many Gypsy communities. This includes housing and schooling. This has been true even during the communist years when they would be given free apartments but chose to live outside of them in tents.
While social programs have been lacking in many ways during the decades, I wanted to point out that a will for integration by them must indisputably exist from within, otherwise the programs simply won't work. You can throw more programs and funds at this issue, but a reform from within would be much smarter. Selling your children or throwing them out on the streets to beg instead of accepting schooling will never be acceptable in any western society. If you'll counter this by saying they don't do it because of racism, I can show you many examples where the kids that went through school grew up into very successful adults. Heck, my dear desk mate from high school was one, and he has a wonderful IT career now. But at the same time there are much more examples of kids being taken out of school by their families for no good reason (except things like "f that, you'll go west and steal and buy yourself a Mercedes in a few months").
You can understand their cynical view given their history, but at some point you must accept the goods that a reformed society provides you in the place that you want to attempt to settle.
I honestly feel bad for them because their distrust does make sense, but western society has changed but they refuse to change their nomadic lifestyle. Unless these governments give an apology or smth that will show them they changed I doubt they will ever trust them.
@@solis1171 what f'en apology? go back to india. im amazed they didn't get slaughtered going thru anatolia and arriving in the balkans. just another mess that the turks caused.. if the ottomans lost some battles instead of winning them, guaranteed there wouldn't be a single gypsy in europe today
Go west and steal ? You are ignorant and wrong.
The government needs to force them to integrate honestly
Agreed, where I live the government has made a lot of programs and funds to help them, a lot of times they have more rights than our own countrymen but they still choose the wrong path. I know countless friends who've been robbed and beaten by them, very rarely a friendship with a gypsy will go well if they have something to gain from you. I learned time and time again that most of them are like animals trying to survive and will do whatever it takes to have their way. It's fucking sad man. They're culture needs to change
I was once checked at the Romanian airport, where they stop you ask you a few questions and leave you to go. The police and I had a good talk, very friendly people just doing their job.
After a while talking about the Romanian society, I told them about my bad experiences with gypsies, where once one aggressively taunted me to go over the street, and I was yelling back at him.
He went for a complete U-Turn, came out and started to curse me. Fyi I am a trained fighter and well build so I know how to defend myself against a skinny gypsy.
We both left it at the cursing, but it left a bad taste on my mouth, so I was curious if it would really happen that they come with a horde after you.
They told me a few stories about how they got in fights with gypsies, when I asked them about their experience with them and it always ended with 10-25 gypsies coming along trying to find you and hurt you. They warned me and told me to just ignore them, as they have nothing to lose. The police would take care of them, sure, but stil until they arrive something could happen.
Feels like almost every Romanian has a story like that or knows relatives who have stories like that.
There is a reason why they are hated.
I assume it's generational trauma. They've been heavily persecuted by the Romanians through out their existence so much so that being hated feels like second nature to them, that is always living on the fringe of societies. It takes professional psychologies to come out with a strategy that will change the fate of the Gypsies in Romania. But I acknowledge it as a hard endeavor especially with people like you roaming around the land.
@@o-m-b2739 Ah, yeah, the "poor, misunderstood people" nonsense. Yeah, nobody denies that they had a tragic history. But this gives me little solace when they try to rob me. I had the same "oh, people are just racist" mindset, because I grew up sheltered. And then I met actual gypsies in real life, and very quickly realized that when all kinds of people around me, some of which hated each other with a passion, could ALL, without a single exception, agree that gypsies are more often not are trouble and best to avoid, it comes from lived experience first and foremost.
Statistics show that they have increased crime rates, but you still have many fine roma people, they're not all bad, goes without a saying. Actually, most Roma people I personally met were pretty chill and normal. That's my personal experience.
Hungarians and Romanians putting aside their differences just to persecute Gypsies is a true Balkan moment.
Romanians and Hungarians and anyone from this part of the world knows how it is with Gypsies
Gypsies make hungarians look like sweet bread
you look so unmanly
The true white moment is whites attacking other cultures over and over again ... typical
Lol bro catching strays
Another story:
Rented a place in the Netherlands and never paid rent. When the landlord finally came to check he found they were gone, but the ENTIRE wooden floor and the wooden window frames were removed and burned in the fireplace.
And so many live in decrepit unfinished homes, mud and junk in the yard, but inside there is always the biggest flat TV with a satellite dish and a huge powerful music system. It's like part of the culture living like that.
It's like that with them everywhere. They don't have the need for anything else, just the most basic stuff, plus some entertainment, drugs and alcohol. They'll never be integrated into civilized societies because they have no intention of becoming civilized.
don't forget the mercedes outside
Two things can be true at once
@@iamtryingtopissyouoff.7729 It's not "two things", it's just that they're primitive hedonists with no culture or ambitions.
The French govern built them houses in Romania. In the next months the burned the windows and doors and the parquet. They they hosted their horses inside.
We have an old phrase in my country it roughly translates to "keep one eye on the donkey and the other one on the gipsy"
What country?
@@wheresbellaj2386 Poortugal
Lmao I'm dead😂
For a reason
UM OLHO NO BURRO OUTRO NO CIGANO 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
"Tepes the famous shish-kabob maker" lolol. So many of your jokes pass by so quickly, I think many if not most people miss them. Smeshan ludak. Great video!
Yessss I’ve been looking for a video on Roma peoples for a while. In the US, the exposure we get to this culture is “My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding” or a “Bohemian” store in the mall run by a white woman with unfortunate dreadlocks…
Theres white gypsies
If you're into that, watch the film "Black cat, White cat" to get a feel for gypsy culture.
I don't know about their culture but what I see everyday is Gypsy parents putting their little kids as beggars in the streets from an incredibly early age, and they themselves are either beggars or they "clean" (usually muddy water) your windshield focrefully and then ask for payment. The irony being they usually have enough money to buy trucks and phones and other modern day luxuries but they still choose to be beggars instead of educating their kids or entering the workforce.
Great movie ❤️ @@poonczey
how are unfortunated? do they just happen at random?
Fun fact: Here in Brazil, in old times the gypsies were experts in fixing mechanisms in sugar mills and other mechanical devices. They were called "gringos" and were always mysterious, remaining on the margins of general society, trafficking native spices and African slaves that they captured or stole.
In the 19th century, when Englishmen mechanics appeared to build and repair the railways all over the country, they were called "gringos" by the population because they performed the same technical function as gypsies in the past, that's why to this day in Brazil we call foreigners "gringos"
(Mexicans also use this word with a similar origin, but with a different meaning).
Isn’t gringos also a slured way to say “white man in spanish”? (Btw I know your language is portugese)
@@Pollicina_db Well, I think in Spanish only Anglo people (from the US/UK) specifically are called "gringos". A Mexican of German origin, for example, will not be called a "gringo" by mexican mestizos. And I read somewhere that the word "gringo" in Spanish also originates from gypsies, but in Mexico it began to be used to designate Anglo-Americans due to the constant cattle thefts carried out by them (which gypsies were already famous for committing), so they were called the same slur as the gypsies. Idk if it's true btw.
Here in Brazil there is no slur for "white" people. In my region specifically, blonde people with light eyes are traditionally called "Galegos" (galicians), but it is not offensive or derogatory.
isnt brazil black country?? in Africa people know brazil as black country
@@bukhariapdelahi7072 No, Brazil's population is virtually half white and half mixed race (black+European, European+native, black+native, etc). Black people make up close to 10% of the population. I myself am Brazilian and my skin is pale. In fact, there are more white people living in Brazil than in Germany, France, UK or any European country other than Russia.
@@Pollicina_dbNah, gringo isn't a Slur, it's just a way to refer to Americans bc "'estadounidense'" is a mouthful and you're not going to ever catch a self-respecting Latino calling them "Americanos" because we're all from America the continent, so gringo it is
I am Romanian and yes... they ate my ham church ;(((
i am from serbia, and i can also confirm, they done ate my cheese church too😢
Oh boy this comment section will surely be tolerant and not racist at all!
not racist if its true
@@antonpersson1869 isnt that what literally every racist ever says and thinks?
@@dankxen0n804 uuuuuh
@@dankxen0n804 it's not about the race, frankly race theory is bs, it's about culture.
To be honest, less than I expected.
Gypsies fled the Balkans to Transylvania & Hungary in multiple waves. They largely lived free as roaming traders, craftsmen and vagrants until empress Maria Theresa tried to forcibly settle them, at which point they became serfs. This was generally percieved as social progress at the time, but it arguably did little to improve their lives. It was better than being a slave in Wallachia or Moldova, but integration into existing communities didn't really work and it just added resentment on top of prejudice. Fun fact: lots of gypsies around Brasov speak Hungarian as a primary language but are still Orthodox - a testament to the A-H school system that semi-successfully integrated them, and a clear sign that the largely Protestant communities is the area never really accepted them. Also, you left out a MAJOR European issue: they were forcibly sterilized in Sweden as late as the early '70s.
Based sweden
This is might be one of the many reasons Hungarians have problem with Romanians...
@@justhair17 how are romanians to blame for gypsies in hungary?
" integration into existing communities didn't really work" - it's hard to integrate people who don't wanna be integrated.
@@Samsung-1.9Cu.Ft.MicrowaveNever lose your stench🤢
My grandpa told me about his brother was kidnapped by gypsies in Italy as a child. They were able to save him but you can’t bring up the word gypsy without it triggering his PTSD.
And here I was not believing my grandma fully when she threatened me with it as a kid 😮
@@duqial believe her cuz she’s speaking from experience. It’s not an empty threat
They WILL kidnap and turn your child into an handicapped, thrown on the street to beg and pick him/her at night to collect. Ask me how I know
We had a group of them pass thru our town. Every bit of metal was stripped from the historic cemetery.
The wrought iron fencing, bronze head stones, war memorials, flower vases, ect.
The state police tracked them down and was able to retrieve some of it.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀
🤣🤣🤣🤣💀
😂😂😂
You really laugh about this story? It is sad that people have to pick clean a graveyard to make a living.
We had a joke, that if a war starts, and an enemy attacks with Tanks, the Gypsies could disassembled them while still moving.
It's all fun and games until they steal the 20kV transformer
A$$oole did you even watch the video?
@@9876karthi HAve you ever lived in the Balkans? XD
@@pepita2437 If I say...have you ever lived in US , Asia or Africa to understand how white people abused natives? do think this statement make any sense?
@@pepita2437 emphasis on "lived", you can't go 20 miles without stepping on a landmine
Fecking wild story that is! Thanks for putting in the work and formulating this so well!
i got robbed by a gypsie my friend got scammed by a gypsie and my friends almost got into a fight with a group of gypsies bc i gave him 20 czech crowns (about 1 euro) so my experiances with the gypsies have been pretty negative
I feel like everyone that speaks positively about Roma have never had to live near them and those who dislike them are the ones that live near them and are victimized by their actions.
@@ColoradoStreaming i dont care to be honest cause anyone from any nationality can hurt you
@@craftahyes, but there are criminal races, which is diffrent from individual criminals
@@stefthorman8548 what? the problem is how certain group is treated, ghettos are the problem
@@craftahsome of them are way more dangerous than others
Wow, this was very well made and very in depth, and as an Indian, I'd add something that i have observed here. There are still nomadic people around the northern states, called Banjaras, and eastern parts called Bede people who occupy a similar demographic in India. They are heavily persecuted against, and so they adopt very similar traits like the Roma. Though in last 50 years there have been active efforts to recognise their culture and integrate them in society, the prejudice in peoples mind remains a big obstacle. They are a hot tourist attraction though, since they got government recognition and support and they are actually pulling in some decent money from tourism in a legitimate way.
The origins of their nomadism might be the same as what made Romani a "nomadic people". I work in a Romani neighbourhood and know a lot of them very well, and they'll explain if they trust you well enough, that they only became nomadic (and take it up again) out of necessity. The wars that originally ravaged Pakistan and northwest India seem to have displaced a sea of people and some just remained in the general area stuck in a loop, while others ended up scattered all over the world.
In reality, here in the Balkans, the Romani who managed to acquire their own living space, jobs and integrated to any degree are seen as hugely succesful, and bit of an aristocracy who "made it", while the ones who are still lets say "vagrant" to some degree are seen as either unfortunate, unsucesful, an underclass within Romani society or a disgrace.
The ones who stick to not taking root take the view that dasine/geje ("non-romani" or "white people") will never let a person of color integrate and that anyone settling and enjoying any success of this sort will regret it when the next genocidal wave takes over the pale lunatics around them. You can see where they're coming from, too.
That's facinating. I was wondering if there was any overlap with the history of the word that translates into dont touch with the untouchables of the caste system in India. Would the Banjaras or the Bede be in that caste? ( If the caste system is in that reigon? Or if the caste system or the term untouchables even go back to the time in history that the roma left?) -Please forgive my ignorance I'm unfamiliar with Indian history.
Look at 22:10 , in the photo the child’s ID has his Fam name as Bihari . Bihar is a state in today’s India
@@twelvetoes-e9n Yes they were part of one of the untouchable low caste nomadic groups
@@cikalujo
I agree they should be deported it's clear that native Europeans and these proto third world migrants, can't coexist..
the fact that after the communist system fall in romania after 1989, gypsies been intentionally left to mix with romanians and allowed to push their music/traditions into romanian one until the point now where all romanians are seen as gypsies around the world(of course only by those who never been to romania) and claim themselves as "romanians" despite the fact that they still use their language(the same language they cant write/read) sad to see a beautiful and rich in tranditions and culture like romania to end up like this
My mom used to threaten to sell us to the Gypsies. I thought it would be pretty cool like being in the circus.
LMAO 😂
Funny you said that .I read a book written by Roma woman and they used to say same thing to they kids ...
If you don't behave white gadjo will take you !
They'd come back and steal the money they paid for you.
they did it all. and thinking of their situation of life, it is naturally. If you don´t breed enough children you have to steal one or you have to buy one. and if you have a sick child you have to let in where you think it is looked after (and guess what we had such a child in our village, was left by zigeuners decades ago.)
@@cheguevara5560do you still remember name of the book?
Funny story about gypsies in Bulgaria:
The government built a panel block only for the gypsies to have a place to live in. However, a few years later the gypsies had to be kicked out and the block demolished. Why? Because the gypsies took out so much of the metal in the reinforced concrete structure of the building that there was a real chance the building would collapse.
The thing is here I always see this happen even the building are In normal conditions sometimes all they need is to repaint the outside but many local governments wanna get rid of gypsies in the city so what they do is kick them out and demolish it then they cause slums on the outskirts to be made
@@popularentertainment7360 this was already on the outskirts of a small city so idk what you are talking about
@@ivo_picha I’m talking about similar cases
oh boy... yes, this happens in Romania too, but this is only half the story. The other half of the story is that more often than not, they don't have electricity, plumbing, etc. And the apartment is in the middle of nowhere. So what else can you do with such a shithole except tear out the metal from the reinforced concrete?
this sounds too insane for truth and is probably anti-gypsy propaganda. "hur dur gypsy so dum they even steal metal from their own houses"
Svaka ti čast na videu. Making this video took guts and I'm sure whatever hate comes your way because of it, you'll dust it off. I remember in school history classes being told gypsies were mass murdered in Nazi concentration camps, but we never got to learn their history, or what they have been through as a people. Thank you for making this video and I hope a lot more people get to see it. Thank you.
Why would we be taught about it? I don’t mean it in a sarcastic way but most Balkans, at best, were taught about what happened to their people. I’m sure your school didn’t spend much time on what happened to the people in your neighboring countries, why would the focus be on a group of people that was terrorizing as much as anyone else?
@@trashm.1426 we were taught about Jews and what happened to them. We were taught about our own people too. And since Roma are a recognized minority and endured the hardships, maybe not in our midst, but from those of our neighbors, why wouldn't we be taught about them? One of the reasons Roma suffer so much racism and prejudice in the Balkans is because we only know them for their criminal behavior and for being buyers of old things. If we knew more about them and understood them, there would be less racism and prejudice.
@@trashm.1426 Being uneducated about the world leads to poor judgment. Poor judgment often leads to horrible things. It's an important precautionary measure. To prevent what we saw in the past, to prevent new tragedies.
@@hello-o3i noone is stopping you from educating yourself on a topic in your own free time, it is however absurd to expect to learn every single thing about this world in the 4 years of history class that we get (talking about high school obviously). In school we learn about the events that had the biggest impact on the world, the lectures are supposed to lay the base that we can build upon in our own time. If someone sat through all the lectures about the 2WW and hasn’t yet come to the conclusion that we shouldn’t persecute groups of people based on race, nationality or their proclivity to committing crimes (obvious joke about a stereotype), then I hate to break it to you, but learning about the struggles of gypsies isn’t going to make them see the light
Right, I too never knew about the extent of slavery that existed, I just heard a sentence once "Gypsies were slaves in Romania" - but I didn't knew they were slaves for so long and suffered exactly like blacks in US.
I once worked in a video shop and we had a policy of not renting games out unless you had a valid credit debit card on your account (because of rampant theft). I had a guy come in and try rent a game without a card on his account and before I could finish explaining what the situation was, he started having a proper wobbler and was screaming “it’s discrimination! It’s because I’m a traveler, a gypsy! In’t it!?”Next he threw a two litre bottle of coke at my college, knocked over a display of dvds and popcorn before he stormed out of the shop. When the manager came out of the back to see what went on, another customer chirped up and said “bloody pikeys”. Before his meltdown, he was a pretty nice guy and I had no idea that he was a gypsy. Some people just have a chip on their shoulder I guess.
NO No No, you are right. They are who they are. They are dangerous. Read my comments
Gypsies have worked hard to earn their reputation.
gypsies are cool their women are hot, send some over to northern virginia
bastards stole my bike when i was 7 =(
no
@@itsAlyxx same lol
And then they ask: "Why are you racist against us?"
*hungary with a smug face leaning towards egypt*
- you're welcome
we also cursed india with this knowledge
Poor Indians tho. Most Indians I ve met are actually great people and they wre burdened with being associated with gypsies
@@sosig6445 we will hate you for this year's to come mate .
For years to come.
@@hellomoto2084
Nooo, pls i need a steady supply of punjabi mix for parties
Thank you SO much for making such a video. It is insane to me how much we don't learn about the gypsies's history at school, and I have found myself learning so much from your video.
Dude, I am lowkey obsessed w your channel. I am American and feel woefully uncultured when it comes to the Balkans and Eastern Europe. I loved my teachers in high school but world history is so vast, we can’t learn it all just from a year or two. You make this fun, but you also know how to add details and important information. Many channels are TOO abridged. I hope you continue to find success w RUclips!
Hey, gypsy here, so happy to see such a positive comment section, and thank you for the video on the history of a people I most of the time have to be ashamed of being part of
#jogilroy 🖐🏽 bless up chat fam! Sending luv from Harlem,Ny🙏🏽
❤💛💚... this video taught me a lot...The culture has always been so awesome 2 me... I've only seen on tv or in literature 💃🏽
@@artemisnectar7huh, I've only ever seen them in real life and it's always less than pleasant.
The magic of TV tho, right?
@@alclay8689 so true..have a bless nite🙏🏽❤
So I have a serious question for you. How do you feel about the term gypsy? You self identify that way. I'm curious because as a professional musician I see this coming up more and more when it related to the specific genre of "Gypsy Jazz." I get some people want do away with harmful words and be more sensitive, but this seems like one of those times when white people want to intervene in a performative way rather than actually caring what the people themselves thing.
I care a lot about this because black Americans really did have their own music (original jazz) sort of stolen and coopted by white people and then sort of white washed. That's my concern about Gypsy Jazz being relabeled as Jazz Manouche. I feel like in a way it robs the historical ownership of that style of music from the people even if that's not the intention behind it.
Obviously I feel like how a given people feel about the terms matter more than a bunch of well meaning white folks. You're just one person and no group is a monolith, but I'd really love your opinion on the topic since I just don't have access to a lot of people I can actually ask about their feelings on the terms Gypsy, Roma, Romani, and Jazz Manouche.
@@Yeargdribblethat’s our real name if you were to call an older person “romani🤓” or “roma🤓” or any of these stupid white ppl terms you’d be looked at weird we’re ghomano we’re gypsies
Interesting! My dad told me once that when he was a kid in Mexico, the “húngaros” (Hungarians) would roll into their village and put on shows or movies with a projector. The whole village would go be entertained, but when they got home they would find out their homes were broken into and robbed. He said every time they rolled in it would happen. I asked him why they would let it happen again after the first time? He just said they put on a good show. 😂 I often wonder if they were Gypsies of Hungarian origin or what.
I personally have acquired an appreciation of Gypsy culture because of my liking of flamenco music. Their music in general is very good. If anyone wants to explore the origins and possible journey of gypsies from India to Europe by means of a wild musical ride, check out the movie Latcho Drom.
As someone who speaks Spanish, I knew they were mistakenly thought to originate from Egypt because of “gitano”, but knew they originated from India because I’m also a geography nerd & watch & seen videos of them doing DNA ancestry tests that show their origins. BUT I had no idea they were enslaved. SMH it makes sense now why they’re still discriminated against
Don't we discriminate them because their awful behaviours?
@@kurosu-samaklipleri7090 the enslavement is what caused the awful behavior to begin with
@@Nabdara.Nabdara my neighbours decided to commit crimes willingly. Don't excuse it.
@@Nabdara.NabdaraNope. We did not enslave them in hungary. They turned to crime because their nomadic lifestyle and the small jobs with them died out
Enslaved by Muslims sold hundreds of years later to Christians.
Interesting that the Greeks & the Balkans called the gypsies “untouchables” when they descended from the untouchable Dalits of India
The same thought came to my mind, but then I wondered if there was any certain proof that they were Dalit.. it wouldn't show up in DNA tests I guess.
There's some openness to interpretation here with the terminology used. I'm a native greek speaker and I've always understood the term to refer to land. "Those who don't touch land", as in settle on a land. But I had a conversation with a gypsy this one time, where he explained to me that in their culture the rest of us are considered impure, so being in contact with us is to be avoided. I guess it could refer to multiple things.
@@dreamystoneThank you for this perspective!
@@dreamystone interesting, is the gypsy saying that the Greeks and non-gypsies are impure as that would make sense as Christians & Muslims would be outside the caste system and thus be “impure”
It could come up in ancestry tests and comparing the ratio of ANI/ASI genes. Since we know they came from north india we can compare the same ratio among privileged and unprivileged castes in the region
In my city there's a yearly event, some kind of cultureal festival in which countries and cultures from all around the world get to participate in food stands with their local cuisine, shows and other activities. The gypsies wanted to be a part of it but they were rejected so they casted a curse on the whole event. From that day several years onward the event was always cancelled by rain. Those mfs are not to be played with.
In Sri Lanka, we too have gypsies called rodi, they are alleged to be practitioners of magic, although I don't know how true that is.
@@ej4458probably not very as magic isn't real 😊
@@rosalind1635casting a curse on your bloodline rn
@@ej4458 Would be pretty overpowered if it were real...
@@rosalind1635 I wouldn’t say that what if it’s real
According to newer research, the reasons the Roma left India seems to be more complicated than them just being refugees from the war (which might've played a part in some way still). There seems to have been a few waves of immigration from the sub-continent during a much longer period than initially believed. The Roma are one of several groups that left.
These migrations seems to have alot to do with the Indian caste system. In this system you are born to do a certain job and you are NOT allowed to quit it (by religious decree). So when economic demand for your services dries up, you basically have to starve or leave the country. Many caste groups had became quite economically niche by the Medieval period - there were at some areas a local "drum player caste" which didn't turn out to be economically feasible. And this was the case for many other castes which over time devolved into poverty and outsider status.
And this might be an explanation for why some of these groups departed as a whole group. They were looking for new jobs! The Roma left, but still behaved like an Indian caste group, and kept it to themselves. You can't marry outside the group or have much contact with outsiders except work and trade.
Another group that migrated is the diverse Dom people which is a similar ethnic group to the Roma, but they migrated much earlier than the Roma and settled in the Middle East. The Dom all clearly come from an ancient Indian caste of musicians - the Dom caste. In central Europe you have the Sinti which are very similar to Roma but are still considered to be a separate group and probably have another geographical origin (in Sindh, present day Pakistan, and not Punjab).
You should look into the history of Cants/Argots/Anti-Language. Many are clearly ancient, and seem to be related to profession/trade. For example, Gumuțeasca, spoken in Margau, Romania, a secret language for traditional glass workers. Or Xíriga, a Spanish secret language for people who work with brick and clay in Asturias Spain. A lot of Europe’s documented Cants/Argots seem to be from the Balkan region, and the various Roma languages such as Southern Vlax seem to be linked to this tradition of secret trade/merchant anti-languages.
Another thing to consider, is the growing evidence of contact between the Aegean and the Indus River Valley civilization as far back as 2000 BCE. The Blue monkey fresco excavated at Santorini has been identified as probable Hanuman Langurs from India. Both had indoor plumbing that was either unusually advanced for their time, or we need to reconsider how widespread that level of plumbing tech actually was.
Next, the Lycian/Antalya region of Turkey. You have the Lycian free-standing barrel vault tombs, such as the Tomb of Payava (many of these tombs exist in the region) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_Payava. They share an uncanny similarity with architecture found at the Ajanta caves in Northwest India. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajanta_Caves
Then there is the Lycian rock cut tombs, such as at Myra and Telmessos which again, share a lot of similarities with Ajanta. The later Hittites had a city in the region called Hinduwa, later called Kandyba by the Greeks, near Çataloluk today. The name can be a coincidence, but I think it is more likely that it is a reference and clue to the people living in Lycia/Antalya region based on the other evidence taken in at the macro level.
I have been playing with the idea that the origins of the Roma might have been linked to this speculative Indus connection with the Minoans through this trade network and is much older then the later medieval origin. (and this is highly speculative, this should not be taken seriously. It is merely a mental exercise to establish the limits of what is possible). What if there existed a rich merchant class of Indus valley people living in the Aegean, especially on Thera, similar in function to the later Athenian Metic class? What happens to all of those people when they have to abandon Thera and other nearby islands due to the coming eruption? The mythical Greek Telchines (known for their magic and metal working) left their island home due to some an impending doom. The Telchines are associated with Rhodes/Kos/Lycia which is very close to or in Antalya Turkey. The excavations at Akrotiri on Thera show that the people left before the eruption, which meant they had to go somewhere as refugees. It would make sense they would go to lands familiar/friendly to them. Bring on the follow on Mycenaean ascendency, the Bronze Age Collapse, and the Dorian invasions, then it is realistic to imagine that you have some Indus Valley “Metic” refugees who never quite land on their feet. Especially if they belonged to a smaller subset of a ruling/priestly upper caste who have no useful work trades to bring to their new homes/new rulers. The former servants would merge into the local populous as metalworkers, brickmakers, (whatever trade good they specialized in for their original economic enterprise) while the upper caste refugees would either have to humble/lower themselves and learn a useful trade, or expect to continue to live off the their former servants in a type of shadow culture as a parasitical crime lord.
This of course opens up the very far fetched and very unlikely possibility that Rome was in fact founded by very ancient Roma people who DID land on their feet somewhere. We know the Romans get their name from their city, but where did the city get it’s name? This would, of course, be very ironic for the modern day Romanians.
Again, just a fun mental exploration at this point.
Interesting. I'd never connect Romani culture to indoor plumbing 😂. People seem to have been in several castes. One caste was called cauldron menders. They were copper smiths and connected to certain magical practices. A lot of superstition connected to gipsies, fortunetelling, evolution of tarot cards and so on. Fact remains these gipsies didn't catch up with the modern world. Nobody needs copper mending. Nor copper thieves. Discrimination is real, but a lot is just pulling out decks full of victim cards. I've met Sinti people that hated to be associated with Romani. Pointed out they don't wear traditional clothes, neither speak the language, they're just beggars and criminals.
This was my thoughts too!
Caste system is almost why many "lower caste" south asians (Bengalis for example) converted to islam as well and why most higher caste Indians stayed as hindus since they had it the best
@@DataBeingCollectedthis comment deserves to be at the top
The holocaust museum in Budapest has a lot of information about roma people 🖤 if youre ever in Budapest i highly recommend swinging by! I was lucky enough to go when there were no tourists and i went through the entire musem without seeing another visitor, and i was there alone. It was such a powerful experience, something about the loneliness definitely made it have a even deeper impact on me!
it's name is terror háza/house of terror and it's also about the communist times, i also recommend checking it out
Don't get fooled by it, it's full of lies.
@@rap1df1r3nuh uh.
The current actions of the gypsies Isn't excusable but there past and holocaust persecution is real
As a gypsy myself,i never knew the history of my race. Being raised by my pure,100% romanian mother,and she being hated by my fathers relatives,i always thought that the stereotypes are true,or the racists were even being easy. But i was wrong. This was a horror movie for me,because its reality. Thank you.
Trust me go out there get to know your culture you’ll fall in love with it romaniphen makes you different many won’t accept you it’s always better to be different
Sorry bro, we failed protecting you ! That's why Sikh religion was born because of muslims invasion and massacres,which allowed them to carry knife. Ultimately they ruled from Afghanistan to Delhi. After that Britishers came.
The history is history, it can explain why people do what they do today - but not justify it.
I would trust my own experiences a lot more than a youtube video.
Stop stealing
@@Noname-qf3yk stop staring wars and genociding 😘
Thank you for taking the time out of your day to make this video. It means so much to me that someone actually acknowledges our history. You made my day. Thank you so much.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Ajde sada nama pevaj radove pesmice
Marginalized groups deserve their voices to be heard. I hope one day governments start supporting romanis just as they had for many Jews and blacks
@@אלוןשיינפלדThank you. People like you make me feel like there's still hope.
@@אלוןשיינפלד Governments are already doing way too much. They literally just live off of welfare and take taxpayer money, while only take away from the community. Do not compare them to Jews, they can integrate very well and have impressive work ethic.
Thank you very much. I am a romanian, I never knew they had such rich but sad history, this wasn't learned in any history class. I heard from a older gipsy that some of their traditions (like marrying when they are still children) were this way to avoid their young girls being "taken" by their masters, by I thought this was in the medieval times, I never knew they were slaves until recent time
THEY are dangerous and destructive
Southern Italian gypsies, together with greek and turkish gypsies, are among the oldest legacies in European romas.
They left a strong cultural impact in southern Italy to the point that “jokingly” other Italians say there is barely any difference.
I recommend everyone interested to read about the abruzzese romas and southern Italian gypsies and Sicilians (also called gitanos) and how they influenced the local cultural dynamics at the time!
Sicilians are called gitanos? 🤔
Like the gypsy Stromboli in Pinochio!
Theres a reason they have stigma that has followed them throughout the ages
I remember in secondary school there was a Romanian Gypsy in our class and we used to just give this guy hell for no reason other than he was a gypsy and was a bit strange to our western worldview. He left school after three years and it took me three more years after that to realise the horrible bullying we had done to the guy. I remember he said, after we called him a gypsy in a slur kind of a way, that he was proud to be a gypsy and we all laughed but truly he was dead right in being proud.
Maybe a year after realising I had done terrible wrong by him I ran into him just by chance and he recognised me. The first few things I said to him was that I was sorry for what we did and this guy just would not allow me to say sorry he was like “ahhh it’s okay bro stop it’s alright don’t be sorry” and it really changed my entire perspective of himself and Romani people as a whole. He was a normal guy like us and we tortured him for it. I’ll never forget him. His name was Petre or something similar but we all called him Peter because we were westoids.
Nah you were right. You are natives , he was a settler.
@@constantinethecataphract5949 what are you talking about
A cute anecdote, but the majority of them still don't want to integrate, so who cares. Better the natives bullying them than the other way around - which is how it usually goes...
He's probably in jail now anyway, good to not be associated with such
@@Deni-nl1ce big talk for a fella with a “fix your posture in 5 minutes” video on a playlist. Why don’t you go outside and stand up straight rather than be racist online? ;)
Fun fact for a anyone curious, the building with the clock at 24:54 is the old railway station in Skopje, the current clock lays dormant on the time the 1963 earthquake happened as half the building lays missing. Its now a historical building and a visual reminder of the earthquake.
as a macedonian it caught me off guard lol i was like yo this clock looks very familliar oh.. WAIT
@@anthasya01 имав истата реакција, хахаха.
Па и снимката посе часовникот ако не грешам е од Скопје каде Јануш пиша "Communism". Барем зградите у позадина ми изгледаат како кулите во Центар и Македонска Пошта, сигурно снимена од Кале.
@@DacLMKнајверојатно, прво тешко беше да видам целата слика заради големите букви, инаку управу си. Многу се сменило од кога снимката беше направена, главно многу у чаршија. Кајшто е Вардар реката, планината у позадината ке ти каже дека е Скопје ако ништо друго.
Finally someone done a deep dive of the history of gypsies! Respect to you Living Ironically in Europe!
I had an uncle who rented one of his small modest homes to gypsies. There were 8 family members within 2 bedrooms. Pretty soon there were over 50 of them. Nearby i was a waitress in a diner. All 50+ came into a separate dining room seated for 36 people. Not only rude and condescending but actually put their hands in my deep wide pockets and removed my dollar bills. Half walked out without paying ( they put the check in the trash ) All the ketchup/steak sauce bottles had disappeared. I also lived in Greece. Quite common to see Greek people and their children being rude to them. At the time prime minister Papandreou tried to provide housing for them but they refused to go ( this was in the early 80s). I was told by the Greek people ( because I scolded them for being so rude to them) that they injure or maim their children so they can gain sympathy from tourists while they beg for money. Hitler destroyed the gypsies and French leader ( sarkozy whose father was a Greek jew )paid for them to leave France. They took the money, were transported and then returned back to France.
TOTALLY UNDERSTAND AND KNOW your experience. Read my comment above
I haven't heard of the injuring children thing, but I've seen many cases of gypsy parents teaching their kids to act mentally handicapped or to pretend to be in main to gain sympathy
A few years ago i heared a story at radio told by a old gypsie who told how on the trains they where beaten, barely feed and abused starting to hold the deads to count and be given more food and many times cannibalise each other until the germans where raided by romanians who lost many soldiers on the road touards gypsies who they where send to save, and the old gypsie could control his emotions and started to cry at the end of the story.
Romanian soldiers saved gjypsies from being sent to German death camps by fighting Germans? Was it after Germany surrendered? Romanians were on the Axis side. Everything I’ve read said that Romanians gladly handed over the local gjypsies to the baddies.
@@Hajde_budallaRomania changed sides in 1944, 23rd of August so it is possible.
@@vladleustean1638stupid r*mania always betraying everyone
@@Hajde_budalla Probably guerilla resistance fighters.
There is 0 records or evidence of romanian operations made specifically to "save gypsies", it was likely nothing more than a coinincidence as romania switched to fight for the allies nearing the end if ww2. 95% of romanian's time in ww2 was spent helping germany
As a romanian, i can say we weren't taught about slavery in our own country. It is sad state when you pass through gipsy villages and see the state they are in. We have a long way ahead with integrating them into society.
I agree. Same thing in hungary. Several people tried to assimilate them but none succeded so far. Hopefully that will change. Their demography is much better than the hungarian and romanian one, so that needs to be fixed too..
As a romanian? u mean as a gipsy?
@@definitelynotvepar6019what is bro yapping about
@@paulmed42069If you hate romanians you like gypsies because when they chose 'Roma' as a name for themselves they knew that americans will think Romania is the country of Gypsies.
@@Medvelelet did they though? Or did the Hungarian government just throw money at the local bureaucrats who stole most of the appropriation, gave a tiny fraction to the Romas and then pointed fingers at them screaming see "not succeeding".
That was great! Well written, easy to follow. Much appreciated.
In my time in Eastern Europe I realized this about Gypsies. There is two groups. There is the vendor and tradesmen and there is the street rat thief and con artist. I don't if these two groups intermingle but they are identifiable visually. Most westerners don't actually know about how annoying the street rat type is. The prejudice exists for a reason.
This video is probably your best so far. Congrats on this achievement! Thanks for the hard work and for giving us insight into this often overlooked topic.
Hard work: reading wikipedia while showing you their meme collection
@@AltsekBUL Tell me you know nothing about writing an essay and video editing without saying it :D Why would you make such a stupid proclamation?
the eu4 theme tells me you are a man of culture
So, something to add about the thing with programs meant to help tigani. I worked in social services for about a decade during which time I became more than familiar with the system itself, and the people.
Despite the same people being on the list as beneficiaries, year after year, being treated the same regardless of ethnicity, there are some organizations that still see fit to cry about imaginary discrimination.
And to some extent that is true, but not in the way these organizations would like it to be, one of the most egregious and discriminatory programs we had was one where you'd be given money to attend classes in order to learn a trade (I believe the options were landscapist and interior decorator), after you were paid to be taught the trade, a guaranteed workplace would be awaiting you, no entry exams required, it was literally free money. Now, you may be asking, how is this discriminatory. Well, to qualify for these handouts you'd have to have a grade 2 or worse handicap (basically wheelchair-bound) or be tigan.
To this day these people who refuse to assimilate (not just in balkan states but everywhere else) are a walking paradox, they have a strong tribal structure but they let their communities go to shit without fail, they have a high drop-out rate from school despite programs being in place to give them a better chance than the average person from the indigenous population, they have high rates of crime despite programs existing to give them higher chances of being hired and making something of themselves. And if you still insist that the balkans are backwards, why is it pretty much the same everywhere else?
And a fun fact about communism and tigani, back in the communist days every normal kid was responsible for a tigan, you'd have to go to their house and drag them to school.
I am ethnicially Serbian gypsy but my great grandparents were so enamored by Tito's partisans that they integrated into larger society
We just... idk we fucking hate our selves and everything else. It's pure accelerationism. You know that you will only make yourself and everyone miserable, but you walk this path without full, absolute conviction
Growing up in any kind of gypsy society means to grow up with misery and hatred for everything and everyone. There's some inklings of positivity but 99% of your life is just seething
It's a culture based on mistrust and negativity. I sometimes wonder if psychological support could help, but that too will most likely just be rejected. You give a gypsy happiness and he'll spit it back in your face and blame you for the misery he brought upon himself
idk how to fix it. It's a cultural problem that's so deeply rooted in our psychology. I needed 5 years of therapy to get this out of my head, and it still lingers, and I am probably the .1% of my kind that's willing to change
Did this guy just seriously say gypsies have played equally big part in the development of Europe as actual Europeans 😂😂😂
Who do you think fought most wars in Europe ?
the europe was in so called dark ages before the gypsies came and after they were declared as slaves of the church and kingdom, the new gold age had begun..
@@Active-Vision yeah cusse they used is for wars and many economic stuff at the time
@@Active-VisionThey were brought by Arabs and Turks. Read an actual book on the Ottoman invasions for God Sake. Pseudo-history from non-Europeans is getting more absurd by the day.
@ivankrasimirov6476 can you touch Grass?
In Serbia our best folk singers are Gypsy, you are not a Kafana if you dont hear Džej , Sinan, Šaban and co. in the background. Pure melancholy in every song...
That's sad if it's true... Here in Hungary the only famous gypsy singers are those that the gov. is giving platforms to. Orbán actually loves them and keeps giving them awards and does photo-shoots with them...
Oh, and in the meantime, about 95% of the population absolutely hates them all. It's the one kind of minority that even many of the super-woke leftists despise. In fact, even a large part of the gypsies hate other gypsies...
It seems like gypsies are halfway to becoming Serbian whereas in surrounding countries there’s more of a stigma
@@sidimightbe There are multiple types of them, so I'm guessing Serbia mostly got the more peaceful types...
@@sidimightbe That's not true. Serbs don't consider gypsies to be serbian, and we don't mix with each other, although it happens sometimes in some southern villages.
@@Djura567well your biggest nationalist singer who married Serbian nationalist paramilitary is a Roma woman who refers to herself as Serb and no one questions it lol
Lmaoo I am a gypsy and I didn't even know most of these things myself. None the less I am proud to be one, there's no shame in it what so ever. It's only shameful how some gypsy's behave but man.. after listening to all of this, the gypsy's smallest problem was how to raise their kids in order to behave, which goes on even today sadly.
Gypsy here too. Yeah I agree. Our behavior of distrust towards authorities is the natural consequence of our history, but it's high time we change our culture to the better and fight systematic oppression by joining society
@@juannaym8488the blame is split, racism and poverty is a big reason why they are not integrated in a lot of countries. People should be more empathetic
Tell your kind to be more hygienic
Bro I feel you the 99% really destroy the reputation of the 1% ❤
I would say that it's the opposite. A small percent destroy the reputation of the majority -- as it is with many other cultures that get a bad rap because of a few bad apples. @@Deni-nl1ce
As a gipsy living near venice i have to tell you another word we call ourselfes here in italy (but rarely used by non gipsy). We call ourselfes sinti because we believe we originated from a region close to the indus river, the indus river is called sindht in some language that i don't remember, and thats why we call ourselfs sinti.
Its Sindhi, indus river
@@PrinceTMATHEW yes, exatcly i didn't remember that well because its a story i was told when i was little😂
@@jodysaldini2052 In the UK Siniti is used as well
Sinti are the German Gypsies.
@@PrinceTMATHEW Might be sinti in italian
My father said our family was from gypsies. It’s true. My last name and DNA shows 50% Balkan and Eastern Europe. My grandfather was from Czechoslovakia. But the history of gypsies has never been as thorough and well-presented as this video! Thank you! ❤
As a gypsie (Hungarian) myself..
This video helped alot
Now I' can argue with my grandpa about our history.
I hope you have 0 criminal record, be a good one
No promises >:) @@Samsung-1.9Cu.Ft.Microwave
@@Samsung-1.9Cu.Ft.Microwaveimpossible
@@eddy_malouempereur_du_cong6536 kek
@@eddy_malouempereur_du_cong6536possible but very rare
I was born in 94. My parent's generations was already considered "aware", my generation always learnt about discrimination and racism as unwarranted, an unjustified thing only awful people do,
When I was a kid I was dead afraid to go to school every morning. I have been robbed sometimes in the meanwhile. I have been beat up in the middle of the street twice as an adult.
Gypsies taught me discrimination.
definitely not unwarranted
Why can't they be punished for crime?
@@johnrockwell5834Because 95% of them would end in prison and the rest of the world would scream about fascism
racism is quite litteraly always unwarranted, racism by nature makes no sense@@GLASGOWBOY123.
@@azers8298 In Hungary about 5-10% of the population is gypsy, but 50% of the prison population.
They were great blacksmiths? Explains where all the copper pipes went.
And the railway tracks....(yes they've even been documented to steal that as well)
Only pipes? They also steal the copper wires and window frames.
Blacksmiths don't even work with copper, dumbass
In Bulgaria we had a joke about the forced assimilation of gypsies and the name changes they had to endure. Goes as follows:
A reporter asks Asen what's it like with having his name changed.
Asen: well... Before when I would go down the street people would say: there goes Hasan!
Now they say: there goes Asen the gypsy.
Deam that was depressing as hell. Very good video thanks. From the few i knew they have absolutelly no clue where where they come from and what happened to them.
Klaus Schwab and George Soros still hates them or use them for which isn't good either.
Nor do they care, nor does it really matter. What matters is how they behave, and it's really messed up.
@@rap1df1r3 Yes the gypsies also poisoned my crops and salted the earth so nothing would ever grow again.
Look I have a bit of a surprise for you. Both white people and gypsies commit crimes. Shocker right? Not only that but there are both white and gypsies live in poverty. Albeit the gypsies live more in poverty. White people rob, gypsies rob, white people kill, gypsies kill and to be honest i've seen more "hood" white kids in my town than gypsy kids, even if they live in a two story house.
Also funny thing, I found an EU chart named "Victims of crime by ethnicity" and gypsy sample size is less than 100, showing that the EU doesn't really give a shit about them. Funny.
One of your best videos to date in such an obscure topic that is very difficult to research
What do you mean field slaves had it worse? House slaves had it way worse. Females-violated and males-castrated. I'd take heavy work on the field over either of those.
It seems so but it was a lot more likely for eunuchs and sex workers to gain some influence despite their sorrows, for a field worker being whipped almost on a daily basis it was impossible.
@@zuraorokamono204 Social status doesn't matter if you
a) are a dude and have no balls, therefore no testosterone(I'd rather be put out of my misery cause my life at that point doesn't matter)
b) be a woman and get involuntarily stripped of your dignity and private autonomy, and potentially be forced to have your abuser's children.
People should get their priorities straight.
@@zuraorokamono204 "some influence" doesn't matter if
1)as a dude you have no balls and can't even produce testosterone and function as a male anymore (I'd rather end myself, rather than suffer such an existence) or
2)as a women, being stripped out of your dignity and potentially forced to bear your abuser's child.
So, no, if your priorities are correct, being a house slave is undoubtedly worse than being a field-slave.
@@zuraorokamono204 "some influence" doesn't matter if
1)as a dude you have no balls and can't even produce testosterone and function as a male anymore (at that point, what's the point of holding on to life) or
2)as a women, being stripped out of your dignity and potentially forced to bear your abuser's child.
So, no, if your priorities are correct, being a house slave is undoubtedly worse than being a field-slave.
@@kurtslavain I understand what you're saying but you're looking at those situations from your perspective and your living standards. Some people condemned to a life of misery from the start would often learn to use their misfortunes to their advantage.
Eunuchs were close to their master's wives and court maids were intimate with their masters.
I'm not saying that was the case in general or that they were ever happy but they surely had more opportunities than field workers.
As a free person dignity and legacy might be everything, but as a life long slave you gotta make due with whatever life throws at you.
Exceptional video!
Thank you sooo much for caring to explain this overlooked tragedt!
They stole the fiber optic cables of my friends village in romania
Classic. In my area, they steal street lamps, wooden planks from benches, clothes that are left out to dry, car wheel rims, cars, any type of cable and everything else thay can
They fucking killed my gf mother and then destroyed her house when her family left, we saw the remains when she got back in the country, it's a mess, everything was stolen, water pipes, cable, etc were deviated to other home and big dog were all over the garden, we needed to RUN, the entire hood who was once pretty calm is full of those big gipsy house they contruct with stolen money from the west, it's disgusting, that sympathetic take on those people is shit, they ain't multi-century old being who remember bein slave, tigani of today romania didnt experienced slavery, stealing and making crime is just part of that so called culture.
I saw one steal like a big ham in the store.. they also throw sht in the streets at eachother..
In Mikkeli 2002 two gypsy/roma groups started shooting at each other in middle of town square, my mom was at there when it happened and she ran into mcdonalds for cover.
Well, I guess people are lucky for the way they was treated
Romania and Hungary hating each other but, they have a common enemy
Romania and Hungary do not hate each other (I am Moldavian Hungarian(Csango) and we live here for hundreds of years in peace), those brainwashed Viktor supporters are the ones who start the internet fights.
Corruption?
Noone above room temperature IQ hates other people because of their nationality
Bad politic decisions?
Ppl are not the enemy, the system is, you need to understand that.
As a fellow gypsy myself just wanted to say thank u bro for making this video I really do appreciate I hope millions of ppl watch ur video and learn a bit more of my ppl and the history of the gypsy ppl ( im a Bosnian gypsy btw im sure u know that there r all types of different races of gypsy and almost each of have a different dialogue when we speak our language)
I'm part Gypsy from Andalusia, Spain all the way to the Caribbean .😊❤