Nice Cycling 4 | Correct Positioning
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- Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2024
- In my opinion, the perception of how cyclists act on the road is misrepresented by the majority of clips we see on social media. This episode shows what most cyclists are all about. I also have a look at why cyclist take up positions on the road and try to teach the reasons why.
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This channel isn't just about driving, it's about roadcraft. Another excellent, balanced video. Thanks Ashley.
"roadcraft"...excellent term.
@@stephensaines7100 Thank you
@@stephensaines7100 It's also the official term for the police driver's manual.
@@ibs5080 I have the Police Roadcraft and Police Motorcycle Roadcraft book. Bought from Waterstones when doing IAM course and passed.
@@AUaudits Congratulations on passing your IAM. One of these days I will have the courage go the same route. I keep getting badgered (nicely) about this at local car shows where I have repeatedly gone by the Roadsmart booth and had many long discussions with the local reps there. As for the Roadcraft manual, I do have the latest copy and intended to go through it from cover to cover and put it's principles into practice. Several decades ago I bought a much older copy of Roadcraft, around the time I passed my test in 1978. Comparing that version to the current one, the content has changed enormously even though the basic principles remain. And it has grown considerably in volume too. Although I'm not a motorcyclist, I have taken a browse of that version of Roadcraft too just out of general interest and to get a better understanding of Roadcraft from a motorcyclists perspective.
I’m not a cyclist but from my experience on the road I’d say at least 95% of cyclists are as considerate as the ones in the video. Social media and MSM are stoking a problem that does exist but not to the extent that they portray. Bad drivers are equally as bad as the bad cyclists. I would also hope since the new rules in the Highway Code came into force recently that cyclists feel safer and have less ‘ incidents’ than before the rules were changed. Maybe any cyclists reading this could let me know?
Bad drivers are much, much worse than bad cyclists because of the amount of damage you can do in a car vs on a bike.
The reality is a lot of cyclists are drivers too. The whole driver Vs cyclist nonsense pushed by media is tiring and does no one favours. I've driven for 26 years, but for my commute cycling is the cheapest and quickest.
Driivng in London and id say its maybe 50% of cyclists are considerate at best. That said, thats about the same for cars, pedestrians and worst of all imo - mopeds.
@@joncurtis199 Where in London would riders have the opportunity to be "considerate"? Pulling over so you can advance for 10 seconds before the next lot of traffic or lights? The blokes on bikes, particularly hire bikes and delivery riders (neither of which are cyclists) don't have experience or are under time pressure so won't have the experience or confidence to do a lot of things that actual cyclists would
@@joncurtis199 I very very rarely have to drive in a city but I can appreciate it will be completely different from the roads I use daily.
The cyclist in red and black that you were following, clearly demonstrates that he is from the class of cyclists known as vehicular cyclists. These are truly the ones who abide by the Highway Code and are much more aware of their surroundings; even compared to the average driver. Well done for observing all his tell signs and reacting to them in a good timely fashion...! 😎😉👍
+1, it's such a shame that the anti infrastructure cyclists have hijacked the vehicular cycling label. Vehicular cycling is an important technique to keep you safe!
10:52 I think that pass from the police car was pretty lethal, they wouldn’t have tried to get around a car that close with the white van still being there in the other lane
yep, that was not nice. I would have been in primary there with the oncoming traffic, but would have pulled right onto the pavement at the earliest opportunity. However, the cyclist made it clear by pulling in and stopping that they wanted the police car to pass - I'm sure the police driver was covering the brake pedal as they went through.
@@shm5547 I suspect the siren marked the point that the police driver noticed the cyclist.
Adding to that: I don't understand that siren either. Clearly it is not easy too hear at all. In the rest of Western Europe there is just one siren (the "long one" from the UK), which can be accelerated. I really don't get why the UK would do differently, because the results clearly aren't an improvement.
yes they would, right or wrong emergency vehicles with sirens blaring is a get out of my way notification. normal road rules no longer apply. pretty sure there is an offence for preventing them from proceeding while the sirens are on.
@@yorkiecol7973 not sure that is 100% true. Yes, the blue lights and siren is “I am on an emergency call” but road rules still apply. If you go through a red light you can still be prosecuted, the same as speeding to move out of the way, driving over the pavement or any other rule of the road. In fact, I’m sure Ashley has covered this in a recent video.
When sirens are heard or blue lights seen, it is a please move over and allow me to pass when it is safe for you to do so. The hindering an emergency vehicle would be deliberately putting your vehicle in the way to stop them proceeding.
Please drive safe everyone
I am a driver and a cyclist who has twice had life changing injuries resulting from cars pulling out in front of me whilst I was cycling - videos like this are important as it reminds us that most people are decent, that we need to be more considerate to one another on the roads, and that we need to calm down the dangerous rhetoric other videos do their upmost to promote - more videos like this please.
Journeys are much less stressful when you are not trying to be offended by every little mistake someone else makes. If everyone on the road tried to be helpful towards every other road user we'd all get to where we want to be much happier and probably faster too.
That is a pretty flippant view to hold towards vulnerable road users getting frustrated by unnecesary endangerment of their lives. Cycling journeys would be much less stressful if some road users invested some time in learning how to share the road with them.
And that’s it in a nutshell:)) - brilliantly said👍👏
@@maskofsan1ty rubbish, until last year I cycled every day to work, and at the weekend for fun. 100s of miles a week. The amount of actual dangerous situations where I felt the need to display any form of frustration was very low. The vast majority are situations that can be predicted before hand and the problem solved by yourself. Getting into an argument with a driver is completely pointless. The only time I have felt the need to have a verbal exchange with someone is when I was waiting to turn right at a junction and the lady behind literally drove into the back of me because she saw a gap big enough for a car to make and must have just assumed I'd take it aswell.
If you find yourself regularly in conflict with other road users you should take a long look in a mirror to find what the problem is.
@@Rover200Power then you are very lucky because I have cycled that much as well and it's very rare that I have a ride where I don't experience actions that put me at unnecessary increased risk. You can adjust your riding style and make yourself as visible as possible but you cannot account for drivers that don't care about your safety.
My issue with your comment was that you think that kind of driving offends people. It's not offensive. It's dangerous and to disregard it as such is trivialising the issue.
@@maskofsan1ty But isn't that what Rover200Power was saying "to be helpful towards every other road user" ?
A few months ago I was filtering past a bus at some lights, when they changed and it started to move off without really checking mirrors, exposing me to some danger. It was, absolutely, a mistake on my part; I should have anticipated, and also been more patient. Faults on both sides, but certainly on mine. But the way the driver started swearing at me, and the things he said ("Perhaps if you get flattened you'll learn you people don't own the f---ing road", and so on) brought it home to me how "cyclists" are seen by some "motorists". I give you my word: I hadn't been even slightly aggressive, and indeed was preparing to apologise.
Thing is I'm not a "cyclist"; I'm someone who happened, at that moment, to be on his bike. I'm also, at other times, a "motorist", a "pedestrian", a user of public transport and a taxi passenger. These aren't identities, or classes of person, they're just alternative ways of accomplishing the task of getting from one place to another. I simply don't understand where the hatred comes from. On any side.
I mean, I know some bike riders run red lights and so on. But when did it become OK to judge everyone by the standards of the worst?
The worst of all is the punishment pass. That's happened to me only rarely, but it's terrifying. If you drive a motor vehicle and you've ever close-passed a bike in order to make a point, you really need to not do that ever again. Even if the guy's being a dick.
You're absolutely right about these being modes of transport not classes of person! When on my bike I try to remind people driving cars that we are actually the same - just people - by making eye contact and smiling at them when I do head checks (which is frequently... I'm obsessed with what's behind me!), and thanking them for any small courtesy (like a considerate pass or letting me take my priority at a roundabout or junction).
I have had a very similar experience to yours where a slight misjudgment on my part not only almost got me injured but also earned me an lovely ear-bashing which incorporated a rant about all 'Cyclists'!
I'm driving for UBER I watch your video lote lesson from your video. Thank you very much very helpful.
Excellent footage and analysis. Courteous road use isn't just 'good manners'...it's *safe behaviour*, and prevents conflicts. Your being a cyclist allows you to understand the actions of these sentient cyclists, and much of their behaviour is to ensure their survival as much as good manners.
This episode left me feeling good about being on the road. When you get 'thank yous' from other users, you know we're all in this together.
It's nice to be nice is such a good mindset. If only people could try it and feel the benefit. Roads would be so much better if everyone adopted this attitude. I have learned so much from these uploads, not only do i feel my driving has and is improving. My driving experience is even more enjoyable. Win win in my books Ashley 👍
@David my dad is like that, and unfortunately, he's never changed in that outlook (in his mid 70s now).
Is it just driving that sets you off? Is there any way you can break up your drive so you can take a breather?
Thank you, Ashley, for this video. What a refreshing change to see the silent majority.
As a cyclist of 50 years, I did recognise pretty much all of this and yes i recognised the anger I sometimes feel. It really is difficult not to react when someone has a go at you isn't it. I suppose the merc driver would have run the pedestrian down.
I would like to add that I think some of the stop to let them pasts might have been prompted by the understandable anxiety one can feel if followed too closely and the guilt we often feel from holding others up. Mind you the slow on the single track at a passing place to let the car past was absolutely top draw. The other slow top help them past was just right too.
As a cyclist. Riding 2000 miles a year. Great video. You’ve opened my eyes to a few considerations
Good video, Ashley! We need some ballance. As an old endurance cyclist, cooperating and respecting other road users was a nice "investment" in them hopefully getting a good impression of us cycle nerds and making them wanting to be nice with us as well.
Absolutely 👏
I honestly believe we need balance but it's skewed against drivers and cyclists are made out to be saints
Pleased to feature a few times here! The clip from me at 8:56 was also about priority at meeting points. Some YT cyclists have said that because the car has to cross the midline of the road priority should be given to the cyclist. I don't agree; the line of parked cars in effect sets a new edge and thus centre to the road, particularly where there isn't a centre line.
Thanks for sending in!
I've always learned that if the obstruction is on your side of the road it's common practice to give priority to oncoming traffic.
@@draconicdusk5911 Definitely correct, a different way to 'see' this road though is that there are obstructions on both sides.
Where that is more obviously a 'meeting point' should the "thinner vehicle" that doesn't have to cross the midpoint line have priority?
@@cyclecam6328 if the thinner vehicle doesn't have to cross the line, and the other vehicle doesn't have an obstruction, then priority shouldn't be an issue.
the rule of thumb is that if two vehicles can't pass in the available space, the vehicle that will have the easier time giving way, should. in most cases, that will be the one with the obstruction, in some cases it will not. in all cases, being courteous is a win.
@@draconicdusk5911 that's incorrect. What you should do is give priority BEFORE you start passing the obstruction - but once you are actually driving past the obstruction, it's just a narrow section of road. It doesn't matter one bit which side of the road the obstruction is on. If a vehicle then appears coming the other way, they have no more right to the road than you do.
I even forgot I sent you that clip some time ago. When it started my first thought was "why does this place look familiar" undil I realized it is my handlebars in the view 🙂.
It is very pleasing to see so many so good examples from fellow cyclists and from drivers too. Thanks for putting these compilations together.
Thanks for sending in your footage!
@@ashley_neal I do sometimes wonder how cyclists endangering vulnerable pedestrians (I’m medically blind) live with themselves when they ignore cyclists dismount signs where a shared path becomes pedestrian only (I’ve been forced back onto the road I’m crossing as I’m stepping up the kerb). Also when deciding the red light stopping vehicles in both directions means that can weave between the 2 rows of traffic their handlebars striking my backpack and earning me being sworn at by them as I stumble forward away from them.
When I’ve had similar from drivers its been when I’ve tapped their vehicle with my cane to assess if I can safely negotiate the gap on the pavement. Or if I’ve waved them on because their idling engine isn’t allowing me to assess how safe it is to cross 2 lanes of traffic (I can’t tell if they’re dropping off or picking up, if there’s a vehicle they’re yielding to, if there’s a vehicle or bicycle going to overtake).
I wish they’d realise just because the Highway Code changed doesn’t make it safer for me to cross. I’m ultimately responsible for my safety and will wave traffic on or step away from a road if I can’t be sure of my safety.
Always an interesting time when you're a speedy cyclist! I'd agree with the 95% good rule for car drivers in my experience (I tend to cycle around lanes which can loose some interesting challenges) but I must say getting close-passed at 25mph is absolutely bloody terrifying. I must admit that I do usually swear at people who pass me badly although not loud enough for them to hear! Drivers who tailgate or close pass cyclists really are intimidating in a way I don't think car drivers would be familiar with. Top cycling in this vid though!
even when i do the right things people still get mad with me even endanger me. I am at the point that i rarely rise to another drivers mistake but its hard not to when it seems like they are intentionally doing it because to them i am just a inconvenience. i really hope you do a video with that white vauxhall i sent in :)
Great video as ever. Oddly enough I had a Merc saloon cutting across the cycle lane on me today! Plus a close pass and two red light jumpers. No need to stress and swear, just report to police and hopefully improve driver behaviour.
Patience is key for safety on the roads. Let us learn to have this virtue this year and also learn to let things go. If you have the right of way and someone is coming towards you, let them go and wait. Better to get home safe than in an accident.
If it is safe to do so Boski. I agree with your point about patience, but having been across the bonnets of four cars that were all invited to emerge from the left without anyone checking for bikes, I'd caution that acts of patience and courtesy need to be safe too. I can still see the driver smile and thank whoever just waved them out, then turn in horror as I superman across their line of sight, while the considerate motorist to our right sheepishly moves on. Giving and receiving such courtesy can be lethal, and cause people to forget the basics of the highway code. If someone waves me out, especially if I can't check for bikes, I decline. I also never wave people out unless I can see it is safe. If you have the right of way, and someone is coming towards you, it can cause confusion and potential danger because the highway code isn't being followed. People assume the car with the right of way will go, and the other car will wait, so when two motorists make a private arrangement to suspend these rules and do something else, they had better be very careful, because other road users will naturally assume the rules still apply.
There was some great examples in thsi clip. And, if I may point out something, that may me obvious, but often I think very much overlooked by many, abd that is the Highway Code is not just a set of rules for road use, it's a *Code of Conduct* and *Etiquette* that you are expected to *_use_* not just 'follow'.
Being properly versed in them will guide you in situations where there are ambiguities around priority such as in the final clip.
Great video as always,I’m a cyclist,motorcyclist and motorist and I see good and bad in all,sadly it’s a people issue. Keep up the good work.
It always warms my heart when I see people getting along! 🤗😘
Watching Cyclists and Drivers do Bad things gets the Viewers but unfortunately the Good ones don't get the same Publicity!
Nice to see the Good Cammers!!
As a cyclist I would also be wary of parked cars when passing them.
Few years ago there was a little girl passing a parked taxi, the passenger opened the door without looking, knocking the girl under an oncoming bus.
Clip with the black Mercedes reminded me of that, just as oblivious they are when parking, they won't think twice before throwing the door open without looking.
my dad had a fellow do that to him while he was driving. and that's how I learned that in my state, it is a driving infraction to open a door on the traffic side of a parked car. (but it is only enforced if there is a crash because of it.)
@@kenbrown2808 it's also an offence to cause a collision by opening your door here in the uk
I'm a cyclist, I actually pulled on to the hotel driveway, as soon as I heard the siren coming from the passing abulance.
I make mistake sometimes, I almost bumped into a pedestrian on a zebra crossing, althougth the pedestrian was not looking, I should of anticipated the pedestrian as I was aproaching the crossing.
At 6:50 I, as a cyclist, would have positioned myself directly behind the car in front rather than on the left-hand side of the road - they wouldn't have been impeding oncoming traffic as they'd not be as far out as the car - also, I'd have signalled for a right turn before coming to a stop. ETA: I do see some point in his positioning, as there is one of those nasty traffic-calming bumps in the middle of the road...that they were probably aware of LOL.
Your first clip demonstrates the one time that I think cyclists* setting off early from a red light can be advantegeous for everyone. It takes a lot of observation though as the goal is to clear the obstruction quickly for the vehicles behind, and not to ignore red lights for the sake of it. Despite what a lot of people appear to believe, most cyclists are not in the business of blocking the road because an irritated driver is a dangerous driver. Some places have started installing traffic lights for cyclists specifically for this purpose.
*edit
Indeed, I expected a comment on that in the video!
From experience it is rare that temp traffic lights are sequenced correctly for ALL road users. They just assume an average car and time based off that. That can result in you still being within the lights when they change, and cars co,img the other way don't seem to check the way ahead is clear.l.
Notice how at 5:30 on the drops I have no trouble getting to the brakes Ashley 😄
Not everyone is as skilled as you!
I always assumed roadies bikes had levers that long so you could still brake and change gears, even on the drops?!
@@robclayton9612 You're correct Rob - you can brake no matter where your hands are on the handlebars if it's set up correctly.
Love this, decent people, we share the road and should look out for each other. I drive and cycle, and when on my bike I wear a cycle helmet (high-vis, lights at night etc.), and keep left when safe to do so, to allow vehicles to pass. I’ve seen cyclists hog the centre of the road quoting (shouting) the Highway Code, without fully understanding it.
Boody excellent post mate. I've been riding 40 years and seen many changes in road use, especially the post Wiggins Froome evolution. I firmly believe in the messages you have promoted here and am co conscious that I follow 90% of what you are promoting. The other 10% of what you say has given me insight to improve. You are right we can all be a bit sweary when a driver crosses us but you are right. The better way is to not enter into the argument, hold your tongue and take the high ground. Thanks.
I appreciate the insight you provided to the many good cyclists there are out there. I rarely bike now but do have some hairy memories of near misses.
Regarding the Aussie toddler I would also have stopped and eased him /her back home to a carer. But nowadays it might be a bit fraught to actually try to make contact with some parents. There is no hard answer but it can lead to problems from being snarled at for not minding my own business to down right accusations of sinister intent towards the toddler.
I think the Aussie rider got it about right.
Yeah totally agree. The kind of parent who lets a two year old play in traffic is also the kind that would at best verbally abuse you for getting involved (because they know they're in the wrong) or at worst make up a story that you were a roaming paedophile targeting kids in the street. Maybe the last one is a bit extreme but yeah, I'm sure it's happened.
Speaking as a bloke, I can remember a small child being lost in Morrison's locally here and wandering round aimlessly but endangering itself with its curiosity. I was in the supermarket on my own and indeed thought about asking the somewhat distressed child "Where's your mummy?" but I didn't and eventually found a female member of staff to point out said child to.... Sadly, as a bloke, we are no longer allowed to quite innocently interact with children for being called all sorts of things and quite simply I value my reputation and don't need _missing mummy's knee jerk reaction to her own lackadaisical child supervision to encompass me being verbally smeared with something that doesn't easily wash off._
I can't be sure, but it looked like there was a larger person to the left of the screen as the cyclist approached the motorhome. I know from years of experience as a child, how easy it is for a child to vanish out of their adult's line of sight.
Good educational video that, although as a cyclist myself who commits to over 5k miles a year I would never give way to vehicles on a narrow road.
A vid where all the cammers are doing right! (Except for that slight altercation at the roundabout with the Merc.) Excellent - top drawer mate!
I've recently moved to the city and started commuting by bike and your videos are always a help in anticipating the hazards thanks again!
Hi Ashley, once again you do a very clear and sensible description of what is happening and what you do about it , I have no real problem with any of it, my main concern with cyclists is that when I am driving a vehicle any collision is likely to leave me unhurt but much higher risk of injury to the rider, something of the sort happened forty years ago when having stopped at the kerb I started to get out but then sat back down again to collect some paperwork, this delay meant that when I opened the door without looking again I collected a bike rider over the door, the sight of her head snapping back as she fell over the widow a foot from my face I will never forget!, as it happened she was unhurt and even apologised to me!. This has become part of my daily life, that for me there are far, far worse things than dying in a car crash!, having the crash and surviving while the innocent victim dies fills me with dread!.
Much of what you show us here has the bike rider paying particular attention to the vehicles behind, while I am happy to put myself in a position on the road that makes my intentions very clear it is the traffic it front of me that requires my undivided attention, while adjusting my speed so the flow keeps moving is a constant feature of my style I do for my own sake!, if drivers behind also benefit so much the better but that does not motivate me. To a large extent the same applies when I see the opportunity to slow or stop to allow another vehicle to cross or join it is because such kindness makes me feel better about myself!, the fact that most times the car I let in then turns off a bit later so that I lose nothing is another bonus!.
Cheers, Richard.
Love it Ashley. Harmony between all road users should be the norm,not the exception.
I've been binge-watching you since finding your Tesla videos because I'm considering buying one myself. This is the first time I've heard you say that you cycle too, but to be honest I'd picked that up. I'm a motorist and cycling instructor, and your appreciation of good cycling goes beyond what I sometimes encounter from driving instructors in my job.
Don't underestimate the effect of your roof box on the cyclist turning right. You both communicated well but knowing you were a driving instructor he would have felt much more comfortable keeping himself visible to oncoming traffic to the left of the car in front of him, knowing that you would be giving him space to do so.
Hi David, thanks for your comment. Could you send me an email to ashleysanalysis@gmail.com as I've got something I'd like to ask if possible.
There’s no road markings on the exit of a roundabout, therefore you don’t stop! It’s a continuation of the carriageway and was designed that way to keep things flowing
6:02 Love your insight, and love how the cyclist makes progress while being mindful of other road users. I agree he could have positioned further to the right at the lights where he turned right, he should have given a hand signal too. One other thing to note about him keeping rolling is that his shoes were clipped into his pedals.
The volume of the strobe sirens on emergency vehicles concerns me. I know the idea is to help people determine where the sound is coming from, but if you can't hear them they are no use at all.
I recently had a situation with a police car going through a red light with this type of siren, I actually saw a reflection of his blue lights on a shop window before I could hear the siren. The car was less than 5m from the junction. Not fit for purpose?
The first clip is actually very relatable, I always give them a little wave and a thumbs up!
There is often a bit of tension between cyclists and drivers. I think it's important for both groups to remember that we all share the road and need to work together to ensure everyone's safety. I've had my fair share of close calls with cyclists who seem to think they can just go wherever they want, ignoring traffic laws and signals. On the other hand, I've also encountered drivers who seem to have a complete disregard for the safety of cyclists, texting or speeding through bike lanes without a second thought. It's about the person, not the vehicle.
Cars are a very large heavy metal object. A bicycle weighs 20lbs. So, yes the vehicle does matter.
Around 85% of drivers speed in 20 limits, and over 50% on motorways.
Yes people matter, however the danger represented by 2000kg of metal moving at 40mph means thats the focus for actually improving safety for everyone - drivers.
Cyclists - people who are cycling - contribute a negligible amount to the danger on roads, and so the vehicle absolutely does matter.
Part of this is better education, enforcement of existing laws, and also separating traffic. Basically, copy the Dutch. Every time. Copy the Dutch.
@LAMF does the vehicle matter if the user's error/ignorance/selfisheness/stupidity results in a fatality/life changing injury?
It's 100% about the person. Their attitude towards the law, the rules, the safety of themselves and other people. Mode of transport may change the dynamics of an accident, but mindset of the road user can avoid an accident altogether.
@@mcdon2401 yes of course it matters. You're talking risk. Risk is likelihood x impact. The impact of any one incident is multiple times greater if you swap a bike for a car. Every time.
The likelihood also increases in a car, as the same fallible person is now having to deal with situations at a max speed 5 times greater than a cyclist would have to
@Rob Clayton if a pedestrian walks out into traffic without looking, is it the pedestrian, driver, or the car?
If a cyclist fails to give way at a junction, is it the cyclist, the cycle, the truck or the truck driver?
If a driver runs a red light and hits a pedestrian who was also crossing on a red, was it the pedestrian, the car or the driver?
It's the road user that matters, not the vehicle. Idiots gonna idiot no matter what they're doing, and that can harm themselves or others, even those who had nothing to do with it until they become part of some else's incident. Vehicle (or lack thereof) may change the dynamics, but the vehicle doesn't cause the accident in the vast majority of incidents. It's what's between the ears that causes the problem.
At 4:15 with the Mercedes and cyclist, you say that the cyclist should have been selective about stopping for the pedestrian, I thought that with the changes to the highway code technically the cyclist was correct in stopping as the pedestrian was more vulnerable than the cyclist albeit marginal, this is where I sometimes disagree with the highway code even if you are driving a car and you stop for a pedestrian like this, the Mercedes could have crashed into the back of the car and still injured the pedestrian if they had walked into the road. It would have been the Mercedes driver's fault for sure due to being too fast and too close to stop, but in reality, everyone using or crossing roads should have responsibility for their own safety and the safety of others. At the start of the video, the cyclist was already past the red light, so far from perfect. Nice to see some good examples of cyclist taking care of themselves.
I appreciate this video. I gave up road rage after it left me feeling ashamed every time.
Bloody great job Ashley. Your message is so important and I truly hope you reach as many people as possible with it.
Thank you.
There's a good argument for riding in the centre of the lane when there's insufficient space to safely overtake. In my experience motorists are more likely to move into the path of oncoming traffic to overtake when the cyclist is hugging the shoulder of the road.
Was on a hike this morning and got lost with no choice in the end to get back to my car but cover a mile and a half of NSL B-road. A peleton of cyclists approached me while I was of course walking towards traffic and as I've been so accomodating to cyclists for a good while now I thought i'd give them a test to see if they would carry forward the karma, so I stayed on the road and put my faith in them. Fair play in the end, the lead rider took an early line to ensure everyone behind him moved out too so to safely negotiate the obstacle (think hitting me would hurt them more but still appreciated!). Nice to have some positive experiences to show not everyone on a bicycle is inconsiderate.
When out on the roads, whether as a pedestrian, cyclist or driver observation is everything.
This is why it’s important that everyone should be aware that roads are shared by many user groups, and everyone has the right to use them.
As regards to the new Highway Code rules, I definitely don’t expect drivers (or cyclists) to respect them as many don’t, but when they do I give a thumbs up thank you.
That Aussie kid on the road!…my God!…I’d have had to make sure the parents/guardian was made aware…😮
Agreed, no way am I leaving that child to continue wandering in and out of the road, stop and make sure they are with the adult and maybe explain how close they were to being killed, that should prevent it happening again.
Thanks for this vid. Great stuff as always and has a really positive and important message that deserves more airtime.
In response to your question about which of the cyclists dealt with each situation better, the pedestrian crossing at the roundabout or the poor emerge. Without doubt the latter turned a potential event into a non-event, and so was clearly the better cyclist, and I say this as the person who submitted the former. The driver was spoiling for an argument and I shouldn't have risen to it; I should have ignored him just as Ashley said. It's just not good to get yourself worked up over such an inconsequential thing.
Ashley, your critisism is greatly appreciated. Thanks to your videos, I'm a much calmer road user, but I've obviously still got some way to go. I'll definitely try to keep my cool in future.
Last time I road my bicycle on the road between this and the next village and I waved a trailing car to indicate is was now safe to overtake after the several bends that had kept them waiting behind me, I was rewarded with a deliberately close pass and cut-in.
Rather fittingly, I'm about to watch this whilst doing a workout on the stationary bike here at home. I'm pretty sure I'm riding in the correct position. Namely behind my car...in the garage. Oh and although I'll be cycling for about 80mins and covering around 40 kms, I won't be giving a single signal!
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Unlike me who went out you won't get wet either 😂
I have a stationary bicycle. actually, it's a regular bicycle, but it's mine, so it's stationary.
some comedian whose name I forget.
@@kenbrown2808 Well now, Thank You for that bit of humour from the PNW! Speaking of which, I know you're not in Portland but I recall the Rose City is often voted as one of the most cycle friendly cities in the USA. As indeed is Seattle WA. Even more so outside of Portland along the Columbia River Gorge as well as towards Mount Hood. I'm a member of REI btw. There's always lots of Subaru Outbacks in the parking lot, often with bike racks and roof boxes, which I know REI sells.
@@AdamPSutton Hope at least it was a minor shower.
The cause of the good ones blending in is summed up by a fantastic quote from Futurama "If you do something right, nobody will notice you've done anything at all."
A few years back in Sweden anyone could find out a car owners address from their number plate. A cyclist friend used to take the reg on close calls, not using angry words in the situation and later on sent them a postcard with: “hey there, you probably didn’t notice or remember the situation but…” and always finished off with a polite “thank you, see you on the roads soon”.
5:00 nice. I do the same sometimes if I filter to the "front" of a queue on the motorbike. Especially filtering down the near or off side. It's polite and makes everyones job easier if you don't overtake the lead car.... sometimes. For example, the person at the front of a queue for a T junction will be busy looking for a gap to get out into. If you barrel on up beside their bonnet they now have to wait on you going first, or worse they attempt to go with you. Just hold back in the mirror (not the blind spot!) of the lead car, the car behind has clear view you are there and the lead car doesn't need to worry about you. In most cases by the time the car behnd gets to the line, you are long gone.
In my opinion, the cyclist at 7:20 was probably keeping to the extreme left for two reasons, the parked car on the right and the speed bump preventing him from taking a more central position coz we all like our family jewels. Great communication with the car behind, impressive.
Cycling late at night, when roads are least busy, I am impressed by the consideration shewn by motorists to me-holding back etc., however just when I am trying to avoid the council's 'patching', which is always worst nearest the curb...that is the very moment a car seems to comes by and I cannot pull out
Perfect attitude for both of them. If only every one acted like this, the world would be a better place everywhere.
I was in the same situation a few year ago with a cyclist, the issue arise because the car behind didn't like being "held-up" and overtook in double whites heading towards a bend! Reckless is understating the reality had a vehicle been coming round the bend.
i had a car force it way past me just 2 day ago as i was in primary postition going around a blind bend i notice a car coming in the other direction signal for him to stop but nope the driver force his way passed i had to move to the left and the other driver had to stop as he had no space to continue driver could have wait 15 secound but nope . I'm thinking about getting a camera and report driver to the police now
In regard to your comments on the cyclist position at 7.17.I believe he is the on the yellow line for one good reason, and thats he knows there is a sleeping policeman before the lights on both sides of the road. Its pretty clear that in the interest of his personal safety he opted to go for the gap on the nearside rather than the off, which could potentially bring him into conflict with larger vehicles entering the road.
Interesting I can't think of a set of lights in our area where the humps are that close to the lights, and couldn't 100% confirm thats what they were until the Peugeot that turned left into the road went over one.
Good to see you promoting good cycling practice. As you say, the majority of cyclists are considerate and as always it the minority that tarnish the rest. Unfortunately the media and to an extent government of all levels are guilty of promoting an 'us and them' mentality between motorists and cyclists. Rather than the correct information of sharing the road.
The cyclist who you followed, I think took up that position turning right at the traffic lights, to not only show himself to oncoming traffic, (though I doubt he could be seen behind the white car), but more likely so he could see them.
What should be pointed out is that rules are different in different countries, plenty of cycle tourists get it wrong where I live.
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5:20, cyclist wasn't filtering but overtaking at excess speed for the situation without proper safe distance to standing traffic.
Having ridden one of those white cargo bikes for Zedify I can tell you how much of a saint that cyclist is.
Those bikes, despite the electric motor, still weigh 60kg empty. So if that courier was anywhere near the star of his day he has got somewhere in the region of 100kg of bike to get moving again, and the nuvinci gear hubs on those bike are shockingly bad at high tourque. I was young when I was a bike messenger, and I was no where near that calm.
FWIW the child's mother was in the front yard and I could see she was going up to her before I set off. Whether I should have had a word to her mother is an interesting thought though.
I don't blame you - probably get called a nonce for getting too close
I knew there was no way you would have ridden off unless the parent was around. I either recognized the clip from your channel or if it's new, then it was your distinctive helmet!
The second clip had a lot going on in it, that cyclist dealt with the situation brilliantly. Awkward pedestrian in the road, then that motorcycle undertook the Mercedes, and to top it all off the Mercedes pulls into the left. Very good clips here which is nice to see after seeing a lot of not so good clips on Twitter recently.
I think your comment right at the end of the video sums everything up - "it's a shame the good ones blend in". We don't notice the really good road users because they've already accounted for everything going on around them so they're practically invisible, you notice them as much as you notice yourself breathing. Which should be everybody's aim really, to be so good that nobody notices it
If I have had people give me abuse or swear at me
1. I've ignored it
2. I've made an absolutely ridiculous remark in response, such as telling them what underwear I'm wearing
3. Sang to them
4. Or merely asked "pardon?"
All have had an effect in defusing situations
How about "Oh dear, I hope you don't eat with that mouth". Or if they are telling you that you are a such and such, how about " You've been peeping again, haven't you?"
Did you stub your toe?
In any situation where people are threatening you giving nonsense replies is a well proven way of defusing the situation. (1) It breaks the script that they are following in their mind (2) people are really wary of people who give the appearance of literal insanity. I always advocate giving them road directions to the nearest hospital. It gives you something real to think about, so you really do give the impression of being "in another world" and it's where they clearly want to end up anyway.
Perfect, avoid giving an inkind or expected response. A driver said "I know how you cyclists think" I responed "great, should I buy the purple toaster or the green one?". Another stategy "Hi Steve!" smile and wave.
@@ibs5080 Avoid 'you' questions and ask something unrelated to the abuse. "Nice car, what year is it?". "Dude that hat's awesome, where can I buy one?"
Another great video. Bridge building between bikes and cars. 👍👍
There is no way I'd have stopped like that cyclist for a waiting pedestrian in roundabout exit with a car behind me. So dangerous.
I'd have cycled on past but super slow and careful so if she had stepped off the kerb it would've been fine to stop.
Not ideal but less worse than stopping mid lane or stopping but hard left and leaving the car to plough through the pedestrian.
By cycling smart I could have kept all three parties safe. The new highway code rules are really putting cyclists in danger in this type of situation.
Yeah it's not the ideal place to stop.
@@mintywebb all rules are situational if your actions put yourself or other in danger you don't do.
@@mintywebb I believe the Highway code gives the qualifier "if safe to do so". In 99% of cases when there is a car behind you, it won't be safe to unexpectedly stop in the middle of a junction.
I was a driver for almost 50 years (did AIM stuff, enjoyed skid pan sessions, etc etc) but gave up due to eyesight issues (now sorted). However, I've not returned to driving as I feel my reactions have slowed too much in my late 70s. Instead I enjoy cycling, walking and public transport.
I am very conflicted about the recent changes in wording in the Highway Code. I feel it is well-meant, but shows no real understanding of the problems of actually being either a vulnerable road user or a considerate driver, in today's environment
In my opinion. many of the dangers inherent in being a vulnerable road user - especially a cyclist or a pedestrian - in this country are due to two things -
1 -the appalling design failures of the so-called road system, which almost entirely fails to give any consideration for vulnerable users and is engineered for the convenience of the 4-or-more wheeled powered vehicle _at all times_ and
2 - the toleration, acceptance and even expectation of what I can only call 'road vandalism' 'anti-social traffic behaviour' or, more clearly, BULLYING of vulnerable users by (many of) those who use motor vehicles.
Your first clip, of the cyclist stopping to let the pedestrian cross, illustrates both 1 and 2 above. No consideration given by the constructors/designers of the junctions for HOW the pedestrian should cross safely - and then attempted bullying of the cyclist (who in this case was acting as a 'considerate driver') by the driver behind. It is debatable whether stopping for the pedestrian was the 'right' thing for the cyclist to do in this situation - certainly the exchange of curses was not the right thing to do! - but the entire thing was caused by 1 - lack of provision for the pedestrian to cross safely and conveniently and 2 - the acceptability of a 'more powerful' road user bullying a less powerful one.
This sort of 'public bullying' would not - is not! - considered acceptable in other contexts, either at the workplace or in public. Imagine if you were walking down your local high street on a Saturday morning and mothers with pushchairs and OAPs with shopping trolleys were being deliberately swerved into by some ugly braggart, the person looking in the shop window had their head knocked sideways by the fist of someone who wanted to stand in the same place they were standing and the shop door with the notice saying 'sorry closed - back in 10 minutes' was bashed in because the bully doesn't want to wait. When the polite person steps back to let someone with a walking stick enter the lift first, the person behind gives them a poke in the small of their back and swears at them ... This would not be tolerated on the pavements of our towns, cities and villages and nor should it be tolerated on the roads within and between them.
Sorry for the long comment!
honestly the white car pulling out in front would have made me say "jesus christ" as a cyclist but there is a difference between yelling at them and just saying something to yourself. @Ashley Neal what do you think about that?
11:09 Notice the driver also appears to be exiting the wrong way from a one way street! Surprised Ashley didn't mention it.
Good spot. I often leave out bits like this to see who spots it 👏
Even more reason for the cyclist to be cautious. If a vehicle is the wrong way on a one way street they are lost, confused and probably not local.
A good selection of clips.
Now, if all cyclists could ride like that, and all drivers could drive like in your good driving selections, the roads would be a far better place for everyone.
The vast vast majority of cyclists do, the problem comes with blokes on bikes, delivery riders etc who are not cyclists (this is a distinction that the Dutch make very easily, it should not be difficult in the UK either - weilrenner - literally wheel runner, a cyclist, a proper bike, wearing cycling clothing etc - vs fietser - a bloke riding down to the shops on a hire bike for example).
With delivery riders, they are all about time pressure, they openly admit to breaking the law e.g. jumping lights, wrong way down one way street etc as they need to get things delivered to earn a living. Quite why so many don't have lights on the bike is beyond me though. Similarly people on hire bikes or just using a bike for a short journey don't have experience or confidence to know when to take the lane, how to ride safely on roads etc so are unpredictable.
I think all the clips in here are actual cyclists as the other types won't normally have cameras or be out in the country, hence the good riding
@Gobtik the distinction probably does need to be made, but that has to come from within the community itself. As evidenced on any comments section, if a car driver passes comment on a cyclist (of any description) doing wrong, there's an immediate response from many, usually along the lines of "but car driver worse".
Most car drivers (and road users in general) probably already do make a distinction between driver groups (white van man, BMW 🔔🔚, Audi ar5e etc), and most will condemn poor behaviour. But condemnation of other (non car driving) road users who misbehave tends to get far more indignant flak from those user groups.
@@Gobtik So what do you call idiots in a motor vehicle?
@Minty Webb you know, you could change your record every once in a while. Your constant whitabootery is getting boring.
Mode of transport does not, in any way, abrogate your responsibilities under law. Road users are expected to know and comply with the Highway Code at all times. Cyclists can and do kill/seriously injure pedestrians, but your continuous whining that cars are worse does nothing but continue what appears to be your belief that cyclists are somehow better than everyone else. Poor cycling can kill. That's a fact, and it doesn't give a damn about your opinion.
Get over yourself.
ALL road users should be following the rules of the road. It's not difficult. Yet you've continually ignored poor cyclist behaviour in other videos to defend their mode of transport, and their 'right' to behave poorly "because car driver worse". You're the type of person I referred to in my previous comment, and you didn't disappoint. YOU are just as much a part of the problem as all the bad car drivers out there because you take any criticism of poor cycling as some sort of personal slight. Just a few days ago, you took a potshot at someone who had the temerity to point out that cyclists can injure pedestrians. Now you're doing the same again. If you don't want to be part of the problem, call out poor cycling. Make the distinction that Gobtik mentioned above, and call out those who are dragging cycling down through their poor behaviour, in the same way that people are calling out other poor road users. And, as has happened in this instance, and in this very thread, praise good behaviour as a template for others to follow.
@@mcdon2401 try it from the other side - criticising a driver behaving poorly to a cyclist will get comments about road tax, helmets, red light jumping etc. every time.
It's tribalism, and stupid insane tribalism at that.
The biggest press misconception is that cyclists don't also own and drive cars too
You're bragging about that with a state of some drivers 😂
Also, in the UK, the average cyclist contributes more tax towards road maintenance than the average driver.
Indeed, I cycle and do pay 'Road Tax' (if people insist on calling it that)... on my car!
@@DT-hg7te yep, most cyclist in the UK (about 80%) have a car and a good proportion of those will pay some VED. However, even cyclists with no car pay for the roads.
@@shm5547 Indeed, especially local roads funded by council tax.
it may be the camera and the computer screen, but when the cyclist gave you the hand signal, it wasn't immediately clear he was indicating a right turn. I probably would have taken a primary position had i been him, and I keep mindful to indicate turns with a straight elbow to make it distinct from a wave or an "all good" gesture.
On your question wrt the cyclist turning right at the lights who stopped at the kerb, I would intend to be plumb in the middle of the lane to make it absolutely clear to you not to overtake. That leaves oncoming traffic space to go round the iliegally parked Audi blocking the pavement on the RHS.
But I wonder if the cyclist has had a dangerous experience there previously with people cutting the corners on those lights? Could be a tactical reason for staying left.
I'm also a little concerned that looking at the driver and pointing right might tell a lot of drivers that it is *them* I am expecting to turn right or overtake, passing me as I'd stopped on the left.
For me the shocker on that clip is all the pavement parking. A van and a caravan?
I'm trying to get my confidence in cycling back again.
So one night last week decided to ride the short journey to the chippy to get dinner.
Got there without any problems but what could have been an incident if I chose to make it into one happened.
Approaching traffic lights that had been on green for a while and were obviously about to change so obviously I slowed early enough to be able to stop without risk to myself I did look over my shoulder for what was behind me first.
The car in front stopped for the lights, on the left was a one way street so no one should be turning into it.
There was space between myself and the car in front that I could possibly have filters through but I didn't feel comfortable doing it because it was a very narrow space and I didn't feel comfortable going through it so stopped behind the car.
Possibly I was to far to the left and this led to what happened next that could have become a problem.
A car stopped behind me giving me lots of space to move off when the lights changed however after watching you're videos I kept aware of what was happening around me and didn't assume the car behind was giving me room.
Good thing I did because as soon as the lights went to were about to change he started creeping until he was along side me
I simply held back let him go and the next car behind held enough distance back to give me space.
What could have been a problem with shouting and swearing ended as a none event
@7:17 - he's dividing his risks. There is much less risk coming from his left side, the right side has cars turning in and oncoming cars. He knows he has your attention, so he doesn't need to take the road commanding position that places him closer to danger, he can swan neck it.
Good video.
I think we'll find that most cyclists are actually also Road tax paying licence holders and appreciate good road use whatever vehicle they are in/on.
Let's all take care of each other out there
The reason the cyclist in the near side to near side right turn took up that road position is to guard against drivers forcing themselves up the left hand side as they exit the junction, and because the exit of that sort of junction usually creates a pinch point. Although clearly there is ample space, you don't know which driver will take a corner like that well, or which will seer around the outside of a 50 pence piece.
4:14 As a driver, with the Mercedes behind me as he was I wouldn't have stopped to let the pedestrian cross as it was clear that following traffic had no intention of doing so therefore the risk of them colliding with me from behind was too high. As a cyclist doesnt have the benefit of a rear view mirror, its even more dangerous for them. It also caused the white BMW to stop on the roundabout which goes against the principal of letting traffic flow and also poses further risk behind. Both the Merc and BMW driver were clearly triggered by the cyclists action too which is why they overtook so poorly and so I'm not letting them off the hook, they should have done a lot better. But all this show that whilst the aims of the new highway code are admirable, they shouldn't apply when leaving roundabouts.
The clip with the roundabout, merc driver & pedestrian, me as a cyclist, I wouldn’t have let the pedestrian cross as I’ve learnt to not fully trust the driver behind me. I’m simply too scared to get hit from behind to even attempt to help the pedestrian out. The white suv near the end, I would’ve just waved at them & let it go after that. If I’d meet them further up the road like at traffic lights etc then I’d behind them but stay in their view either to their far right or middle. I’m also trying my hardest not to not wave drivers on when I feel it’s a good opportunity for them to pass me safely. I now instead simply pull in & stop pedalling, I give them a few seconds, if they don’t pass then I carry on, it’s up to them to make the final call.
And as simple as that, everyone had a nice day:)
The roundabout pedestrian one is a good lesson for the motorist, they should have left more space then they wouldn’t have been caught off guard. Unfortunately the confrontation afterwards will have just confirmed to them that they were in the right. If you don’t rise to it then there is a chance they might learn.
Still we’re only human and it is frustrating.
A refreshing set of clips. Like yourself, I see too many negative cyclist videos on here. Most of us are alright but even so, I do get annoyed at other road users at times. I don't make anything of it though, it's not worth it. Life's too short to waste my time on those people!
As a cyclist, I appreciate this video
Stopping for the pedestrian on the roundabout, although advised by the new rules, isn't what I would've done.
Is that simply never?
@@ashley_neal if there was nothing behind me I would stop. Right or wrong most drivers still don't expect to see people stopping on the roundabout.
I would do in a car, but not on a bicycle.
I would look at each situation to assess safety.
Good job the new rules don't advise you to stop on a roundabout then, isn't it?
The pass by the police was awful. All hell would break loose had a member of the public had passed like they did, granted they were on blues but they still shouldn't have squeezed through what looked to be an unnecessarily tight spot.
11:03 WHAT CAMERA IS THAT? Wow. Speedo, map. I'm impressed. I want one!
If anybodys interested, the car at 9:32 is a 1952 Ausin A40 😍
I think the cyclist probably shouldn't have stopped at the roundabout in that situation, however it was obviously entirely in accordance with the highway code. For myself I certainly won't attack from having words with the tit of a car driver, as he did explain why he had stopped. Perhaps when the car driver has since looked up the relevant rules as a result and learned (I doubt it, but you never know).
I was wondering about that car.
As for the car driver, ignoring them can still go either way but at least you're 100% in the right if they react badly.
There were only 4,011 Austin A40 Sports made in total. The last one was built in June 1953, so seventy years later that has got to be one of the rarest British cars left in working order actually being used on the road. There are only 1,400 Austin A40s (including all models of A40) registered at DVLA out of the over 650,000 A40s made in total. One *_very_* rare car.
@@ianmason. I'm guessing a car that age wouldn't be fitted with trafficators (indicators) but a hand signal would've been good there.
There is no rule about stopping for pedestrians at roundabouts just to watch out for them and to give them plenty of room. See rule 187 of the highway code.
No, it isn't. The section for roundabouts just says something like "watch out for pedestrians", not the give way to people waiting to cross like junctions.
6:55 He is signalling, so you know his intentions. Exactly what I spoke about the last time, when I have said that people should indicate pretty much all the time. He wouldn't have to, because by some saying, he is in the line by traffic lights and the driver should react to what he does.
But knowing what the cyclist will do is the key here and reduces surprises. Which is my main point about the desire to keep indicating.
I'd argue that the cyclist at 4:15 was correct to challenge the Merc driver, particularly if this is since the GB highway code update, but what if the pedestrian had fainted or stepped out on to the road. Merc (and white car behind) were following too close barely missing when reacting to the hazard of the stopped cyclist.
7:30 Let's play devil's advocate and consider the benefits of the leftwards position while making that right turn. It keeps him in your view and allows both of you a good view of the oncoming traffic (less likely to trigger impatient drivers), also, the longer route around the outside of the bend gives him more space to keep on the move / time his turn and acceleration etc.
That said, my main concern would be being seen by the oncoming traffic, which is why I would have been out to the right position.
It's nice when road users give each other ample space and make their intentions known by signalling.
9:06. Double yellow lines in between the trees and cars parked opposite making the road narrow…
why not allow parking in between the trees and put the lines on the other side of the road ?. Would that not allow better traffic flow ?
[as a cyclist] I have to confess, I don't get right side filtering, personally I don't see it as an option, maybe left side if space permits but right side I have to question; do most drivers use the right mirror more, the same or less than the left mirror. Perhaps a vid on filtering, do's, don'ts & regs?? - I tend to assume primary at lights behind the safest car as I join or filter left hand to the front if the lights have a cycle area & the timings are appropriate.
For me, my rule of thumb is if there are enough cars behind that stopping on a roundabout exit for a pedestrian could back up traffic so someone needs to stop on the roundabout itself (even if only a small bit) then I won't stop, otherwise I will. In the situation in the video I probably wouldn't have stopped.
Why would you stop if there s nothing behind you ? Surely you should stop when it's busy ?
Well, I'd stop when not busy as I don't need to anywhere fast but other drivers are less likely to expect to need to stop on a roundabout so stopping when busy could increase collision risk. Still just a rule of thumb though, if the person looks like they've been waiting a while I'll stop even if it's busy.
I'm continuously amazed by how different cycling is in other countries. Here in the Netherlands we don't do primary position for cyclists, we don't do 1.5 meters of space when overtaking. I find myself waiting behind cyclists more often because of your channel, but there's just no awareness in my country about how dangerous overtaking a cyclist on a small road can be. Obviously our culture is built around cycling and both cyclists and motorists are used to the way *we* do it, but I've aborted more than one planned dangerous overtake in the past few months now that I am conscious about these things.
Primary position and 1.5 metre spacing are not really good things, at least not outside of the context of British (and American, mind you; the idea of treating a bicycle 'like a car' when it comes to how it should behave in terms of positioning originates in the US, which should come as no surprise really) roads. They're the best of a bad set of options if you want to have cyclists use overwhelmingly car-oriented infrastructure without any of the investment needed to do the actually safe thing and physically separate car and bicycle traffic as much as possible.
Fundamentally, cycling on British roads as they are now is inherently unsafe and these techniques serve to mitigate that danger, because we want people to cycle but we're too cheap to actually spend money on that desire.
@@mintywebb yeah, even if they hit you. I once got hit by a cyclist while sitting in my car without moving and my insurance ended up paying. My insurance said I was not at fault so I personally wasn't affect financially, but there's almost no chance of winning the insurance battle against a cyclist.
That’s the best of the best….
Personally as a non cyclist, I wouldn’t be brave enough to “filter” in traffic.
Car drivers being considerate toward cyclists often get verbal abuse here.
Been some shocking driving on my work route this last week…I have been overtaken on the left hand side while turning right at a roundabout…like your prev clips…not a prob because I always check mirrors and over the shoulder before moving back over. It was a BMW.
And the black new shape merc A class overtaking first me, then other cars, and lastly a transit van in the Friday rush hour on a blind bend.
Would have to be very brave to cycle.
I don't think either of the cyclists are better or worse. The Merc behind honked when he stopped, arguably, maybe it wasn't a good time to stop, but if its the rules, its the rules. Merc honks that he stopped, and cyclist points out and says there's a pedestrian. It was the merc that initiated contact with the rider, and started shouting at him while beside him (dangerous?) bit hard to ignore them, not to mention that can piss people off just as much.