If this becomes true, then it'll be interesting where the typical roles of the SMG4 arcs where the hero wins and the villain loses are reversed. The "Villain" wins and the "Hero" loses.
Seeing someone so interested in SMG4 to the point of making theory videos makes me go back to my 2016 self which was obsessed with that channel I must say that SMG4 as a villain again would surely break the internet
Someone who also gets mistreated is shroomy ,its literally shown in a begining of an episode when it he is just having a good day and thinking its finally his episode before getting seriously injured, in the despicable Mr puzzles he takes the place of Mr puzzle's neighbor who ends up injuring his dog and then burning him with the exhaust system of the rocket, so I hope we see them
@@gabrielmunozbezerra9632 you can also add axol, desti, and meggy to the list, had they never met smg4 and friends, meggy would still be an inkling and mentally stable, and axol and desti would still be alive!!!!!
That idea, may be crazy enough..... to be somewhat true While I do like a possible theory of SMG4 getting the boot and having SMG3 replacing him with a nice clone, I would say that wouldn't make a lot of sense I personally would like to consider a possible idea of instead of SMG4 being replaced, SMG3 would try to be someone better after seeing the crash that SMG4 has done, maybe trying to become a better version of himself, and slowly making SMG4 an actual villain that believes he's doing good stuff and treats everyone with respect, but instead the opposite, I mean, I can imagine SMG3 recruiting some of the old characters that either got replaced or never came back because SMG4 was too focused on the only group of "friends" he had and throwing away the ones that got the boot Or adding more to the theory you said, having some characters like Luigi and Fishy Bookins join SMG3 side because they would also feel respect from them unlike their "friends" However is just me, I don't really know what they always have in mind in there, I just focus on their Glitch Productions content myself
Best SMG4 Theory! Times Tari Appeared: 15 (Not including repeat scenes) Times Tari was spoken of: 0 also Just wanna say that Tari could also break out, not cause she Is undermined, just cause she would want to show them that she isn't the weakling that she is made out to be (i.e. Western spaghetti and that Teir list video Forgot the name)
I honestly agree with you about how SMG4 keeps being framed as the "good guy". Like, I'm tired of the "Golden Rule" that all main protagonists of stories have to be 100% in the right, no matter how some actions might be actually bad. Also, I REALLY hated how the "Mini-Arc" of the Meme Factory story ended. Like, I ended up gaining this whole idea that the goo from IGBP was something like a parasite, which I've affectionately named the "Memeite", that wasslowly infecting SMG4's mind, possibly accelerating a bit during the "Lets Visit Peach" episode. Then during the whole Puzzlevision Arc, I think the Memeite DID make SMG4 start thinking about becoming the antagonist that Mr. Puzzles was making him act out (only in Once Upon a SMG4 and the Game Show episodes), in sort of a "Carnage from Venom 2" kind of way. After that it would have gotten worse, leading to the Meme Rehab episode, which, and I know I'm going to get some flack for saying this, DID help SMG4, but the gang was made to think it was a BAD thing so they then forced his CLEARLY infected Meme Lobe (granted we haven't been shown what a HEALTHY Meme Lobe looks like and YEAH, I honestly now think the Doctor shouldn't have been made out as an Antagonist so much), back into SMG4, probably once again causing the infection, maybe even speeding it into maximum overdrive. We then got into the Meme Factory "Arc", which I DID enjoy until the ending. Hell, I had this other idea that Meme4 (what I called Villain SMG4) had brainwashed Bob, Luigi, and SMG3 after they fell into his traps (AKA his "attractions") and Mario would have to get the others help to save said possibly brainwashed friends and brother. Then Despicable Puzzles came out, which is my FAVORITE Puzzlevision episode so far. But I DID hate that the Leggy that became friends with Puzzles was just brainwashed Meggy, which I believe is what made the ending of the Arc bad. I think it would have been better if the other Leggy's were in fact either clones or reproduced through mitosis, while the real Meggy was trapped somewhere. I even thought that Mr. Puzzles had immediately been captured at the end when he entered the Factory with Leggy. Now, I'm gonna start sperging out on Splatoon and FNAF real quick when I say that the Meme Factory Arc should have been the combination of a Meme Games 2024 and Side Order. I say this because I constantly thought that during the One Night at SMG4's episode, it was just Mr. Puzzles being hopped up on the Nightmare Gas from one of the Fazbear Frights books while being brainwashed by Meme4 and dressed up into being the new "mascot" of the Factory, alongside Meggy who would have been wearing the outfit of Agent 8 while inside the Memverse. (Also, because having Puzzles' voice actor singing an English version of Unconscience would have been heaven-ascending!)
Edit: After seeing your "You Used To Be Cool" segment, something just came to my mind. Now I KNOW that SMG34 (the ship between SMG3 and SMG4) is very popular, and there are a BUNCH of moments (albeit not explicitly canon) where 3 has a possible crush on 4, and their friendship could be seen as a real romantic relationship. And if the writers had fully gone through with something similar with what I had written above, I think "You Used To Be Cool" could have been seen as 3 FINALLY realizing that 4 was being like a toxic boyfriend to him, and Eggman helping 3 becoming a "villain" again might have been seen as Eggman helping 3 get over his "feelings" for 4 (granted I don't think they should have IMMEDIATELY jumped to killing 4) by cutting 4 out of his life. But like an actual abusive relationship, 3 gets the flashbacks of positive memories, causing him to not go through with "killing" (aka breaking up with) 4, and instead took it out on Eggman, who I now think was actively trying to help, considering that in one of the old Sonic game manuals, said that he was a "womanizer", possibly implying that he knows the signs of a toxic relationship. 3 then falls back into the metaphorical hands of 4, resuming their dynamic, still hopelessly in love with him, but probably still has the words of Eggman in the back of his mind.
Leggy definitely should have been different from Meggy, now we have to hope that Meggy forgiving Mr Puzzles for torturing her for about a month (which may be too low) is handled correctly
Edit 2: 17:28 Me looking at SMG0 and Niles: Pretty sure they had a better relationship than 3 and 4. Also, I have a theory suggestion for you: Is it possible that SMG0 and Niles could one day break free from the God Box and redeem themselves? Because I feel like these two would be a LOT better help than SMG1 and SMG2.
Holy shoot this actually makes sense. It has actually been quite a topic among the fanbase that SMG4 is basically a narcissist (Megario's SMG4 Evil Theory is a good example of this). And yes, a lot of the fans have been thinking this was just because of bad writing. But this theory takes it another way: It thinks outside the box, and makes one of most creative theories we've seen. Anyways, great theory, keep up the good work 👍
Video Request: “SMG4 Theory: SMG3’s secret revenge plan?” Description: “Isn't it strange that SMG3 hasn't been the main villain since the youtube arc, and how not only Mr. Puzzles used him as the protagonist in the “Once upon a SMG4” episode, but also used SMG4 as the main villain of that same episode? And why exactly did he set up a coffee shop next to SMG4’s new “castle”? especially since he literally has no idea how to even *MAKE* coffee in the *FIRST* place!?”
If this does become true then this will be huge in my opinion, Imagine some of the cast members including SMG3 hanging out with an SMG4 doppelgänger while SMG4 is left out. Maybe he’ll be thinking why his friends left him for a clone. Also, what if SMG4 starts putting the blame on the cast members for leaving him and him trying to become the victim? What if SMG3 finally breaks and confronts SMG4 about his behavior? Theres so many theories I made with this video, I thank you dearly for opening these theories to us. You have opened my brain to a WHOLE NOTHER LEVEL ❤
I still find it borderline insanely funny how smg4 started literally as just this meme channel I used to watch for laughs. Now it’s got these hugely deep character arcs and people like you making these amazing theories lol.
Smg4 also seems to know about the 4th wall so basically purposefully killing off characters like Axol and Desti for his channels popularity and/or to remove copyright. And every single year smg4 writes some sort of story and purposefully endangers his 'friends' for views for his channel. I kind of had the writing idea that what if Meggy (or maybe Smg3) called him out on this (Meggy standing up for Mr. Puzzles because she seemingly has a soft spot for him now?) and the rest of the cast catch on about this and just leave Smg4 to live the rest of their lives away from the camera, leavening Smg4 alone, and being more of a villain and seeking revenge or trying to get the cast back together and/or making a new one to get the Smg4 crew back. I also kinda have the feeling Luigi is going to be the next to die (or possibly get a re-design?) because they hint at it, or actually doing voice acting for him. :0 Also great video man 👍:3
Now, THIS is an absolutely incredible theory! Magnificent work! I'm one of the bigger smg4 theorists, specifically on the subreddit, and something tells me that if you decide to make future theories, they're going to be incredible! Seriously, this theory could end up becoming canon in the future! Now while theorists like me have discussed the possibility of another smg4 villain arc, what your proposing could be a genuinely better alternative than smg4 just having another villain arc. Also, there's some more potential evidence for this in smg4 inside out, because we actually see 3 memories of smg4 play at one moment in the episode: his witch role in OUAS, smg4 going even more insane in IGBP, and the "am i not with it anymore?", moment from smg4 are you okay. Originally I wasn't entirely sure what they were hinting towards with that scene, but in the contxt of this theory it makes genuine sense because they are smg4's more villain-like moments, even the am i not with it anymore moment because it leads into the moment that you discussed in your video. I hopefully shouldn't have to explain the other two.
As cool as it is it that the writing join the fan club it might be an ark but they did say its a test for glitch now but with memes It would be funny with Mr puzzles
Even if SMG4 gets replaced, Mario will NEVER stop humping the spaghetti (and it is the golden rule, because without Mario humping the spaghetti the universe explodes).
About the Email from Trash friends I think that it may be SMG4 wanting episodes for his channel. I got a feeling like SMG4 is using his friends as characters. Like its very see-able in The meme factory video when he tells Mario that he'll be a mascot for him. And in "A night at SMG4" he still doesnt get a antagonist role which was a bit wierd for me. So I think that he might also get a little Villian arc. Plus the door from the New Castle episode wasnt explained. And SMG4 was acting like he didnt want them to know whats there. (sorry for the bad grammar)
True,it's sus,that 4 has a secret door/secret room in his castle that he doesn't want anyone to go into,why does he even need that secret door/room in his castle in the first place anyway?
Wait this theory is so awesome ajsjsjs i never thought about all this much lol also around 2 minutes the part where smg4 was talking about "the worse version" is what smg3 is thinking lol but other then that awesome theory :3
While I haven't been all up to date with a lot of the more recent videos though I have watched his videos for a really long time as I remember the whole scatman song thing a lot of mario machinima and that RUclipsrs had in their videos (even though I shouldn't have been watching the more edgier humour content when I was young.) Compared to years ago smg4 has felt more written to be a lot more antagonistic at times. Which yeah it is mostly a kinda episodic show (I think that's the word.) Aside from the ones that lead to all the arcs that mostly end with a Wotfi around October time aside from the mini arcs like puzzle vision who is still around. That Luke started this year. Sure it's like a more meme channel with the occasional hard hitting moments when it's a big change. (Looking at you Wotfi 2021) Point is from that rant it does feel like he is planning to have an arc that does revolve around his character and smg3 will most likely end up being the one people want to root for. For a whole character change personality wise or could be looking too deep into it.
True, people really don't like 4 nowadays,cuz he mistreats his friends,pushes them away,only cares about his channel,subs,views,popularity,fame,his showgrounds getting tourists,etc. people nowadays like 3 cuz he's soft and caring with Mario,Meggy and the others,their safety is his number 1 priority,goes out of his way for them,is a Tsundere,he has fans/fangirls,runs a cafe,he is relatable,etc. i wouldn't be surprised if 4 feels overshadowed and envious of 3 and the others,and makes 4 be a villain again
It's a good theory you have and i'm agree ( but i need to see the episode 'NO TEXTURE FOUND' for understand the part with clones) I really want another episode or film when SMG3 (My favourite character and the best for me) help SMG4 to see this bad role he plays (SMG4 is an also interesting character like SMG3 and he is my second favourite character) and become a better person after that . I know Lukes dont like this ship and probably prefer to keep the friendship of SMG4 with SMG3 but i really want one episode when SMG4 and SMG3 become in couple ( I have some thoughts and theories about SMG3 orientation and possibilities for the this ship become real) . (Pls dont bully me or other bads things, its just my opinion)
I would like to see that, 4 being the villain that feels overshadowed and envious,of 3,Mario Meggy and the others And 3,Mario,and Meggy being the ones confronting 4,trying to talk some sense into 4,or make him snap out of it,but 4 is too stubborn and won't listen to reason,and using words won't work on/for him
In "smg4 and smg3 shop for cursed items" 3 roasts 4 for not having any fangirls or girlfriends, and 4 rages,in "smg4 inside out" 4 rages about having 8 million subs and says "i should have at least 100 million", maybe 4 rages/throws a temper tantrum when he doesn't get his way?
I hope there's a arc of 3,Mario,Meggy and the others confronting and teaming up against 4, for how 4 has been mistreating all of them,and I hope 4 will be a villain/villain arc on his own with no lame possession thing going on
6:45 I think 4 feels overshadowed and envious of 3 and the others,because people like them more now(3 actually does care about his friends,he be soft,caring,loyal with Mario,Meggy and the others,he is a Tsundere,runs a cafe,is a therapist,kinda relatable,etc.),4 is a narcissist,has a massive ego,only cares about his channel,subs,views,popularity,etc. maybe 4 is a self centered,and attention seeker person? 4 doesn't like it when 3 or someone else is more successful than him, 4's friends have their own lives that don't revolve around 4 24/7,etc.
Somebody show this video to Glitch, this idea sounds amazing, and it could also be a way to address a lot of people’s reason of why they aren’t too pleased with the show compared to before. Having this as a bridge for the crew of SMG4 to address the split in the SMG4 fan base is a very good idea.
You have made a great theory and your theory could be where smg4 is going next and I think is what i think smg4 might be going but I would like to point out that your video implies that mr puzzles got introduced in puzzlevision which is just wrong he's manipulated it's gotta be perfect western Spaghetti and WOTFI 2023 not to mention you implied smg3 also didn't have a whole youtube Arc where he also got replacement to replace the smg4 crew great theory tho whish the best of luck
I think this is a really interesting theory, However the whole demon summoning and loosing the castle was part of Mr. Puzzles' doing as he did sell that cursed keyboard to SMG4. I'd also like to point out Mr. Puzzles saying, "Who knew you could play an antagonist role so well?" about SMG4. If this theory actually turns out to be at least a little true since Mr. Puzzles is still a little set on gaining power right now. If any chance of getting his help it could possibly be via Meggy like said, as if there were to be any hope for a redemption it would have to be with her help to my guess. An Arc like this theory suggest would generally be really interesting to watch! I wonder if that corruption from the Perfect arc still lingers or if SMG4 generally is just becoming a worse friend.
5:01 4 really is becoming more of villain these days,4 was controlling Mario and being insensitive to how Mario feels about it, and then he tried to control 3 too without his consent, and 4 looks very happy to being controlling his friends 3 and Mario without they're constant(4 is taking away their free will by doing that?)
Absolutely strange to believe this in after all the experiences smg4 and smg3 had went through, there were lot of moments where smg3 deeply acted like a careful friend to smg4 himself, he was very worried for smg4 in the ITS GONNA BE PERFECT Movie and he also literally had problem to trying being a villain back in some previous episode called like "you used to be cool" idk, well honestly i tought this should be more like a Puzzlevision Arc finale with the sudden Mr Puzzles Revenge where he destroys the whole SMG4 Crew's Existence by Hacking his entire universe made of gmod maps, and they had to save themselves by facing their worst nightmares this TV Creep spawns to be saved from his powerful corruption! and i tought SMG3 in the thumbnail literally represented a giant evil copy of him spawned by Mr Puzzles to destroy SMG4 lmfao...
17:50 GROANING!?!? I LOVE Mr Puzzles! His song is what got me into SMG4! And Mr puzzlesxSMG3 would be cool to see, since both (maybe just one…) are reformed villains, and if Puzzles had insider knowledge that could change the game.
I Think smg4 wont be replaced by a clone, but instead replaced by his minion, edit: if you dont know, smg4s minion first appeared in the classic video: luigis labyrinth i think. where smg4 stepped in a cloning machine and the clone was mixed with marios spaghetti which was also in the cloning machine, causing the clone to be a mix of smg4 and mario
16:52 I think if 3 has a 4 clone,then the 4 clone would have the same personality as og/classic 4(he actually cares about his friends,gets dragged into the adventures,etc.),3,Mario,Meggy and the others would bond with the clone 4,and say things like "i like this clone 4,he cares about his friends,he treats us good,he's willing to help us,he go out of his way to make us happy,he's funny",and the real 4(the one that only cares about his channel,subs,views, popularity,fame/narcissistic/has a big ego,mistreats his friends) won't like the others with the clone 4,maybe the real 4 and clone 4 will have a rivalry? (This is just my theory,but if someone wants to turn it into a fanfic,go ahead)
honestly, Melony's also a pretty mean character. in 'Mario has a BBQ but isn't invited' she attacks Meggy and Tari over fruits. this is even more confusng considering in 'Revelations' Meggy and Melony are friends in college. Next, in Mario goes on death row, Swag asks Melony to help him, begging her to save Chris, showing a moment of geniune concern for his friends, however, Melony 'boos' him and dismisses him. it's only when Swag reluctantly agrees to read her manga that she agrees, but she barely helps with the plan, leaving Swag to do the work. also, in 'MARIO DAY' at the end we see Mario and all his friends looking sad as Mario holds his best friend award for SMG4. however, Melony is visibly not here. in ITS GOTTA BE PERFECT when bob calls Melony for help, we get a scene showing Melony not even picking up the phone, instead sleeping whilst her friends ARE LITERALLY BEING EATEN BY GIANT TENTACLES.
2:21-2:31 maybe 3 is right,and on to something? Maybe he knows that 4 is mistreating his friends,pushing them away,he only cares about his channel,subs,views, popularity,attention(maybe 4 is an attention seeker? And is willing to do anything even hurt his friends just to get attention?) ,we all know that 3 is smart,uses his head/brain,thinks things through, he's not afraid to stand up to 4 when he's being out of line,he doesn't let 4 push him around,etc.
Holy shit this makes so much sense I have been watching SMG4 since I was like a little square. I like this theory. Although maybe it’s probably not going to happen. Now someone needs to write a story based on this. (If I could help pls)
16:38 wait but didn’t smg3 already have his villain arc with the RUclips when he try’s to send smg4 to delete smg4 and his out of existence and in the end gets banished to the realm of dead memes
SMG4 (the character) has really changed especially since IGBP It even scares me sometimes I can admit it 😅 It's a good theory, having an arc like that would be great with added help with old villains like Marty or even Peach (I hope to see her again one day) BUT if they end this arc with a WOTFI (which they often do) it would be cool if they do it like the Waluigi arc: just Mario vs. SMG4 or something different like the 2023 arc 👀 It would also be cool if it all has to do with this hidden room in the castle that 4 doesn't want to talk about Anyway, there are so many unsolved mysteries about SMG4 and I can't wait to find out more. He's been my favorite RUclipsr since 2017 and has never been dethroned since 💙
I also have a theory which both of them if you go back in time and before when they got copyrighted strike by nintendo in the meme glitch episodes you will see smg4 going on a simulator and later on smg3 also got in by accident so my theory is there's stock in simulator
Okay, hear me out, I know it ain't about SMG4 and SMG3, and I have theories about them too, but since you got Mr. Puzzles mentioned, I got a theory: In the comedy zone mini arc, we see Mr. Puzzles actually lying that he didn't care about the 5 stars anymore,(or atleast from what the speech he gave before he fought with SMG4) but even though he lied, from what you said, he could've just put the cast back to his head like nothing happened. But he didnt. My theory is that he wanted to get everyone in his show before because of the neglection he got as a child. THAT'S WHY HE GOT OBSESSED WITH TV ANYWAYS! because he had no friends, probably his family neglected him, not giving him enough love and just worsening his condition to became obsessed with Tv and cut his head off after because tv was the only friend that he had so he wanted to be one with the tv and become friends forever(proably a delusion that was). In the Comedy Zone mini arc again, we see Mr. Puzzles actually being happy around leggy and feeling grateful of her help in order to get to the comedy zone even though he has to maintain a cold-blooded villain facade from the quotes: ''I'm a cold-blooded villain young lady! and you should treat me with the respect I deserve!'' and ''CONSIST YOUR LAUGHING! We are NOT friends! nor are we buddy-buddy!'' even though we all know that he liked her being with him and assisting him. But when he found out Meggy wasn't Leggy anymore, he became upset with a crying face for a moment before getting angry at mario because he gave a mushroom to leggy. Cause Leggy had a whole different persona compared to Meggy. And if he tried to be friends with her, he knew he would get punched or kicked for all the things that he done to the cast. But I think he didn't looked mad at all to Meggy even though he said ''I'LL GET ALL OF YOU!'' because he knew she turned back accidentally.
This theory has a lot of depth to it but I’ve noticed a pattern. Many different Mario, smg4 and smg3 arcs, muggy and tari arc, bob diss track arc .All characters get some sort of arc, but Luigi or boopkins. And they are abused by their brothers over and over and over again, a high quality arc is their.
If this becomes true, then it'll be interesting where the typical roles of the SMG4 arcs where the hero wins and the villain loses are reversed. The "Villain" wins and the "Hero" loses.
Yea, that would be interesting to see :)
I'D LOVE THAT
2:20 thats SMG3's mind ok
The advertising it's only one give me head your first name
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"who knew you could play an antagonist role so well?"
Haha. Well said.
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True, puzzles told 4 that in the puzzlevision movie
Seeing someone so interested in SMG4 to the point of making theory videos makes me go back to my 2016 self which was obsessed with that channel
I must say that SMG4 as a villain again would surely break the internet
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Someone who also gets mistreated is shroomy ,its literally shown in a begining of an episode when it he is just having a good day and thinking its finally his episode before getting seriously injured, in the despicable Mr puzzles he takes the place of Mr puzzle's neighbor who ends up injuring his dog and then burning him with the exhaust system of the rocket, so I hope we see them
Poor srhommy can't catch a break
@@gabrielmunozbezerra9632 you can also add axol, desti, and meggy to the list, had they never met smg4 and friends, meggy would still be an inkling and mentally stable, and axol and desti would still be alive!!!!!
True.... You are right@@greygaston1263 !
Yeah you're right
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That idea, may be crazy enough..... to be somewhat true
While I do like a possible theory of SMG4 getting the boot and having SMG3 replacing him with a nice clone, I would say that wouldn't make a lot of sense
I personally would like to consider a possible idea of instead of SMG4 being replaced, SMG3 would try to be someone better after seeing the crash that SMG4 has done, maybe trying to become a better version of himself, and slowly making SMG4 an actual villain that believes he's doing good stuff and treats everyone with respect, but instead the opposite, I mean, I can imagine SMG3 recruiting some of the old characters that either got replaced or never came back because SMG4 was too focused on the only group of "friends" he had and throwing away the ones that got the boot
Or adding more to the theory you said, having some characters like Luigi and Fishy Bookins join SMG3 side because they would also feel respect from them unlike their "friends"
However is just me, I don't really know what they always have in mind in there, I just focus on their Glitch Productions content myself
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Best SMG4 Theory!
Times Tari Appeared: 15 (Not including repeat scenes)
Times Tari was spoken of: 0
also Just wanna say that Tari could also break out, not cause she Is undermined, just cause she would want to show them that she isn't the weakling that she is made out to be (i.e. Western spaghetti and that Teir list video Forgot the name)
I honestly agree with you about how SMG4 keeps being framed as the "good guy". Like, I'm tired of the "Golden Rule" that all main protagonists of stories have to be 100% in the right, no matter how some actions might be actually bad.
Also, I REALLY hated how the "Mini-Arc" of the Meme Factory story ended.
Like, I ended up gaining this whole idea that the goo from IGBP was something like a parasite, which I've affectionately named the "Memeite", that wasslowly infecting SMG4's mind, possibly accelerating a bit during the "Lets Visit Peach" episode.
Then during the whole Puzzlevision Arc, I think the Memeite DID make SMG4 start thinking about becoming the antagonist that Mr. Puzzles was making him act out (only in Once Upon a SMG4 and the Game Show episodes), in sort of a "Carnage from Venom 2" kind of way.
After that it would have gotten worse, leading to the Meme Rehab episode, which, and I know I'm going to get some flack for saying this, DID help SMG4, but the gang was made to think it was a BAD thing so they then forced his CLEARLY infected Meme Lobe (granted we haven't been shown what a HEALTHY Meme Lobe looks like and YEAH, I honestly now think the Doctor shouldn't have been made out as an Antagonist so much), back into SMG4, probably once again causing the infection, maybe even speeding it into maximum overdrive.
We then got into the Meme Factory "Arc", which I DID enjoy until the ending.
Hell, I had this other idea that Meme4 (what I called Villain SMG4) had brainwashed Bob, Luigi, and SMG3 after they fell into his traps (AKA his "attractions") and Mario would have to get the others help to save said possibly brainwashed friends and brother.
Then Despicable Puzzles came out, which is my FAVORITE Puzzlevision episode so far. But I DID hate that the Leggy that became friends with Puzzles was just brainwashed Meggy, which I believe is what made the ending of the Arc bad. I think it would have been better if the other Leggy's were in fact either clones or reproduced through mitosis, while the real Meggy was trapped somewhere. I even thought that Mr. Puzzles had immediately been captured at the end when he entered the Factory with Leggy.
Now, I'm gonna start sperging out on Splatoon and FNAF real quick when I say that the Meme Factory Arc should have been the combination of a Meme Games 2024 and Side Order.
I say this because I constantly thought that during the One Night at SMG4's episode, it was just Mr. Puzzles being hopped up on the Nightmare Gas from one of the Fazbear Frights books while being brainwashed by Meme4 and dressed up into being the new "mascot" of the Factory, alongside Meggy who would have been wearing the outfit of Agent 8 while inside the Memverse.
(Also, because having Puzzles' voice actor singing an English version of Unconscience would have been heaven-ascending!)
Edit: After seeing your "You Used To Be Cool" segment, something just came to my mind.
Now I KNOW that SMG34 (the ship between SMG3 and SMG4) is very popular, and there are a BUNCH of moments (albeit not explicitly canon) where 3 has a possible crush on 4, and their friendship could be seen as a real romantic relationship.
And if the writers had fully gone through with something similar with what I had written above, I think "You Used To Be Cool" could have been seen as 3 FINALLY realizing that 4 was being like a toxic boyfriend to him, and Eggman helping 3 becoming a "villain" again might have been seen as Eggman helping 3 get over his "feelings" for 4 (granted I don't think they should have IMMEDIATELY jumped to killing 4) by cutting 4 out of his life.
But like an actual abusive relationship, 3 gets the flashbacks of positive memories, causing him to not go through with "killing" (aka breaking up with) 4, and instead took it out on Eggman, who I now think was actively trying to help, considering that in one of the old Sonic game manuals, said that he was a "womanizer", possibly implying that he knows the signs of a toxic relationship.
3 then falls back into the metaphorical hands of 4, resuming their dynamic, still hopelessly in love with him, but probably still has the words of Eggman in the back of his mind.
Leggy definitely should have been different from Meggy, now we have to hope that Meggy forgiving Mr Puzzles for torturing her for about a month (which may be too low) is handled correctly
I actually love this theory, would you like to be friends?
Edit 2: 17:28 Me looking at SMG0 and Niles: Pretty sure they had a better relationship than 3 and 4.
Also, I have a theory suggestion for you: Is it possible that SMG0 and Niles could one day break free from the God Box and redeem themselves? Because I feel like these two would be a LOT better help than SMG1 and SMG2.
@@ProjectBlack_Olive I love this one too. can we be frends?
Holy shoot this actually makes sense.
It has actually been quite a topic among the fanbase that SMG4 is basically a narcissist (Megario's SMG4 Evil Theory is a good example of this). And yes, a lot of the fans have been thinking this was just because of bad writing. But this theory takes it another way: It thinks outside the box, and makes one of most creative theories we've seen. Anyways, great theory, keep up the good work 👍
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Description: “Isn't it strange that SMG3 hasn't been the main villain since the youtube arc, and how not only Mr. Puzzles used him as the protagonist in the “Once upon a SMG4” episode, but also used SMG4 as the main villain of that same episode? And why exactly did he set up a coffee shop next to SMG4’s new “castle”? especially since he literally has no idea how to even *MAKE* coffee in the *FIRST* place!?”
If this does become true then this will be huge in my opinion, Imagine some of the cast members including SMG3 hanging out with an SMG4 doppelgänger while SMG4 is left out. Maybe he’ll be thinking why his friends left him for a clone. Also, what if SMG4 starts putting the blame on the cast members for leaving him and him trying to become the victim? What if SMG3 finally breaks and confronts SMG4 about his behavior? Theres so many theories I made with this video, I thank you dearly for opening these theories to us. You have opened my brain to a WHOLE NOTHER LEVEL ❤
I still find it borderline insanely funny how smg4 started literally as just this meme channel I used to watch for laughs. Now it’s got these hugely deep character arcs and people like you making these amazing theories lol.
The older SMG4 was so much better. I only come back for story finales and BOTFI. I also come back for remakes of older episodes.
SMG3 will probably come back as a villain
Smg4 also seems to know about the 4th wall so basically purposefully killing off characters like Axol and Desti for his channels popularity and/or to remove copyright. And every single year smg4 writes some sort of story and purposefully endangers his 'friends' for views for his channel. I kind of had the writing idea that what if Meggy (or maybe Smg3) called him out on this (Meggy standing up for Mr. Puzzles because she seemingly has a soft spot for him now?) and the rest of the cast catch on about this and just leave Smg4 to live the rest of their lives away from the camera, leavening Smg4 alone, and being more of a villain and seeking revenge or trying to get the cast back together and/or making a new one to get the Smg4 crew back. I also kinda have the feeling Luigi is going to be the next to die (or possibly get a re-design?) because they hint at it, or actually doing voice acting for him. :0 Also great video man 👍:3
No way if that happens they kill out Luigi
2:24 this part was actually an SMG3’s head
Why doesn’t this have more views? This is incredibly professional ✨
2:22 this was smg3's imagination btw
Now, THIS is an absolutely incredible theory! Magnificent work! I'm one of the bigger smg4 theorists, specifically on the subreddit, and something tells me that if you decide to make future theories, they're going to be incredible! Seriously, this theory could end up becoming canon in the future! Now while theorists like me have discussed the possibility of another smg4 villain arc, what your proposing could be a genuinely better alternative than smg4 just having another villain arc.
Also, there's some more potential evidence for this in smg4 inside out, because we actually see 3 memories of smg4 play at one moment in the episode: his witch role in OUAS, smg4 going even more insane in IGBP, and the "am i not with it anymore?", moment from smg4 are you okay. Originally I wasn't entirely sure what they were hinting towards with that scene, but in the contxt of this theory it makes genuine sense because they are smg4's more villain-like moments, even the am i not with it anymore moment because it leads into the moment that you discussed in your video. I hopefully shouldn't have to explain the other two.
If smg3 becomes the hero i will be happy
Same, but just don't have your expectations high
That explains why a few of the past Arcs were "retconned"
As cool as it is it that the writing join the fan club it might be an ark but they did say its a test for glitch now but with memes
It would be funny with Mr puzzles
SMG3 And Mr Puzzles are my favorites, infact im making a puzzlevision horror. Now further in the video, SMG4 is really manipulative...
3:44 Yes but now he smile at Smg3-wait a LITTLE SECOND IS THAT IS ALSO MORE EVIDENCE?
I feel like mr puzzle might try to split the gang up and get his revenge on mario/smg4 at their weakess
Even if SMG4 gets replaced, Mario will NEVER stop humping the spaghetti (and it is the golden rule, because without Mario humping the spaghetti the universe explodes).
Was not expecting to see SMG4 here.
7:09 i think that is a play on words of "Mr. Beast", we do not talk about him (cuz the drama)
I think a big reason why SMG3 is a better person is how he had to kill his best and only friend for a long time
I've noticed SMG4 has been acting extremely chaotic lately towards his friends.
True,and a lot of people don't like 4 now and how he's treating his friends,and cartoon 4 wonders why people don't like him anymore
I don’t know why I have the feeling that smg4 at any moment will become a villain again.. (maybe in a wotfi, or in a arc.. again)
I think 4 will be a villain again too,4 has been mistreating his friend and is being super off for awhile now
Awesome theory
About the Email from Trash friends I think that it may be SMG4 wanting episodes for his channel. I got a feeling like SMG4 is using his friends as characters. Like its very see-able in The meme factory video when he tells Mario that he'll be a mascot for him. And in "A night at SMG4" he still doesnt get a antagonist role which was a bit wierd for me. So I think that he might also get a little Villian arc.
Plus the door from the New Castle episode wasnt explained. And SMG4 was acting like he didnt want them to know whats there.
(sorry for the bad grammar)
True,it's sus,that 4 has a secret door/secret room in his castle that he doesn't want anyone to go into,why does he even need that secret door/room in his castle in the first place anyway?
Wait this theory is so awesome ajsjsjs i never thought about all this much lol also around 2 minutes the part where smg4 was talking about "the worse version" is what smg3 is thinking lol but other then that awesome theory :3
While I haven't been all up to date with a lot of the more recent videos though I have watched his videos for a really long time as I remember the whole scatman song thing a lot of mario machinima and that RUclipsrs had in their videos (even though I shouldn't have been watching the more edgier humour content when I was young.) Compared to years ago smg4 has felt more written to be a lot more antagonistic at times. Which yeah it is mostly a kinda episodic show (I think that's the word.) Aside from the ones that lead to all the arcs that mostly end with a Wotfi around October time aside from the mini arcs like puzzle vision who is still around. That Luke started this year.
Sure it's like a more meme channel with the occasional hard hitting moments when it's a big change. (Looking at you Wotfi 2021)
Point is from that rant it does feel like he is planning to have an arc that does revolve around his character and smg3 will most likely end up being the one people want to root for. For a whole character change personality wise or could be looking too deep into it.
I doubt they’d straight up Have SMG3 replace 4 permanently but it would be interesting if we had an Arc we’re SMG4 goes on a redemption arc
True, people really don't like 4 nowadays,cuz he mistreats his friends,pushes them away,only cares about his channel,subs,views,popularity,fame,his showgrounds getting tourists,etc. people nowadays like 3 cuz he's soft and caring with Mario,Meggy and the others,their safety is his number 1 priority,goes out of his way for them,is a Tsundere,he has fans/fangirls,runs a cafe,he is relatable,etc. i wouldn't be surprised if 4 feels overshadowed and envious of 3 and the others,and makes 4 be a villain again
It's a good theory you have and i'm agree ( but i need to see the episode 'NO TEXTURE FOUND' for understand the part with clones)
I really want another episode or film when SMG3 (My favourite character and the best for me) help SMG4 to see this bad role he plays (SMG4 is an also interesting character like SMG3 and he is my second favourite character) and become a better person after that .
I know Lukes dont like this ship and probably prefer to keep the friendship of SMG4 with SMG3 but i really want one episode when SMG4 and SMG3 become in couple ( I have some thoughts and theories about SMG3 orientation and possibilities for the this ship become real) .
(Pls dont bully me or other bads things, its just my opinion)
Also I feel like the show reverses the roles slowly, like just look at smg4 and smg3. What if at the end the roles will be reversed completely?
I would like to see that,
4 being the villain that feels overshadowed and envious,of 3,Mario Meggy and the others
And
3,Mario,and Meggy being the ones confronting 4,trying to talk some sense into 4,or make him snap out of it,but 4 is too stubborn and won't listen to reason,and using words won't work on/for him
It's really good Theory!
Ok but why does this sound like a good theory for the show? I could see it happening. 😅
my personal theory is just bad writing
True
Sometimes
Puzzlevision’s movie had such a crappy ending
@@C2-jkbj nah always
Ture honestly.
I guess "bad writing" makes sense, but it's also a bit of a boring way to take things.
In "smg4 and smg3 shop for cursed items" 3 roasts 4 for not having any fangirls or girlfriends, and 4 rages,in "smg4 inside out" 4 rages about having 8 million subs and says "i should have at least 100 million", maybe 4 rages/throws a temper tantrum when he doesn't get his way?
I hope there's a arc of 3,Mario,Meggy and the others confronting and teaming up against 4, for how 4 has been mistreating all of them,and I hope 4 will be a villain/villain arc on his own with no lame possession thing going on
16:54 heartwarmingly sad 😔
Seeing villain smg4 is cool. And I like it when 3 and 4 teaming up
6:45 I think 4 feels overshadowed and envious of 3 and the others,because people like them more now(3 actually does care about his friends,he be soft,caring,loyal with Mario,Meggy and the others,he is a Tsundere,runs a cafe,is a therapist,kinda relatable,etc.),4 is a narcissist,has a massive ego,only cares about his channel,subs,views,popularity,etc. maybe 4 is a self centered,and attention seeker person? 4 doesn't like it when 3 or someone else is more successful than him, 4's friends have their own lives that don't revolve around 4 24/7,etc.
Sounds cool but
We just got another flipping Marty ark
If this arc is true I think it’s gonna be called Fake Friends Arc
Friendship Arc, more like
Somebody show this video to Glitch, this idea sounds amazing, and it could also be a way to address a lot of people’s reason of why they aren’t too pleased with the show compared to before.
Having this as a bridge for the crew of SMG4 to address the split in the SMG4 fan base is a very good idea.
I wish i still wanted to watch smg4 But i liked the more crude and funny videos he used to make
You have made a great theory and your theory could be where smg4 is going next and I think is what i think smg4 might be going but I would like to point out that your video implies that mr puzzles got introduced in puzzlevision which is just wrong he's manipulated it's gotta be perfect western Spaghetti and WOTFI 2023 not to mention you implied smg3 also didn't have a whole youtube Arc where he also got replacement to replace the smg4 crew great theory tho whish the best of luck
I think this is a really interesting theory, However the whole demon summoning and loosing the castle was part of Mr. Puzzles' doing as he did sell that cursed keyboard to SMG4. I'd also like to point out Mr. Puzzles saying, "Who knew you could play an antagonist role so well?" about SMG4. If this theory actually turns out to be at least a little true since Mr. Puzzles is still a little set on gaining power right now. If any chance of getting his help it could possibly be via Meggy like said, as if there were to be any hope for a redemption it would have to be with her help to my guess. An Arc like this theory suggest would generally be really interesting to watch! I wonder if that corruption from the Perfect arc still lingers or if SMG4 generally is just becoming a worse friend.
bro im also hooked on smg4
yo a new smg4 theorist channel!
5:01 4 really is becoming more of villain these days,4 was controlling Mario and being insensitive to how Mario feels about it, and then he tried to control 3 too without his consent, and 4 looks very happy to being controlling his friends 3 and Mario without they're constant(4 is taking away their free will by doing that?)
I think i have been seeing smg4 since 2016 or 2017,i dont really remember
and also nice theory!
Absolutely strange to believe this in after all the experiences smg4 and smg3 had went through, there were lot of moments where smg3 deeply acted like a careful friend to smg4 himself, he was very worried for smg4 in the ITS GONNA BE PERFECT Movie and he also literally had problem to trying being a villain back in some previous episode called like "you used to be cool" idk,
well honestly i tought this should be more like a Puzzlevision Arc finale with the sudden Mr Puzzles Revenge where he destroys the whole SMG4 Crew's Existence by Hacking his entire universe made of gmod maps, and they had to save themselves by facing their worst nightmares this TV Creep spawns to be saved from his powerful corruption!
and i tought SMG3 in the thumbnail literally represented a giant evil copy of him spawned by Mr Puzzles to destroy SMG4 lmfao...
What do you use for editing? (your videos look really good0
17:50 GROANING!?!? I LOVE Mr Puzzles! His song is what got me into SMG4! And Mr puzzlesxSMG3 would be cool to see, since both (maybe just one…) are reformed villains, and if Puzzles had insider knowledge that could change the game.
Honestly, I'd be fine if they end up putting in some Puzzl3 moments. I am a multi-shipper and do find the dynamic a bit interesting.
I think it’s supposed to be Build up for this year WOTFI
I Think smg4 wont be replaced by a clone, but instead replaced by his minion,
edit: if you dont know, smg4s minion first appeared in the classic video: luigis labyrinth i think. where smg4 stepped in a cloning machine and the clone was mixed with marios spaghetti which was also in the cloning machine, causing the clone to be a mix of smg4 and mario
10:36 OH MY GOD EXACTLY
16:52 I think if 3 has a 4 clone,then the 4 clone would have the same personality as og/classic 4(he actually cares about his friends,gets dragged into the adventures,etc.),3,Mario,Meggy and the others would bond with the clone 4,and say things like "i like this clone 4,he cares about his friends,he treats us good,he's willing to help us,he go out of his way to make us happy,he's funny",and the real 4(the one that only cares about his channel,subs,views, popularity,fame/narcissistic/has a big ego,mistreats his friends) won't like the others with the clone 4,maybe the real 4 and clone 4 will have a rivalry? (This is just my theory,but if someone wants to turn it into a fanfic,go ahead)
after you saying this... SMG4 can we have an arc like this
1:27 EXACTLY WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING!
i love the theory and ngl i could see that happening
honestly, Melony's also a pretty mean character. in 'Mario has a BBQ but isn't invited' she attacks Meggy and Tari over fruits. this is even more confusng considering in 'Revelations' Meggy and Melony are friends in college. Next, in Mario goes on death row, Swag asks Melony to help him, begging her to save Chris, showing a moment of geniune concern for his friends, however, Melony 'boos' him and dismisses him. it's only when Swag reluctantly agrees to read her manga that she agrees, but she barely helps with the plan, leaving Swag to do the work. also, in 'MARIO DAY' at the end we see Mario and all his friends looking sad as Mario holds his best friend award for SMG4. however, Melony is visibly not here. in ITS GOTTA BE PERFECT when bob calls Melony for help, we get a scene showing Melony not even picking up the phone, instead sleeping whilst her friends ARE LITERALLY BEING EATEN BY GIANT TENTACLES.
I have a theory you know mr puzzles what he wants the clones IS MR PUZZLES GONNA TEAM WITH SMG3???????
didnt watch smg4 in a WHILE, the vidio took me back and also smg4 being eliv woud be a cool twist
I theorize that mr.puzzles will get the SMG3 treatment,a.k.a he will become good
have you noticed this most of the examples happened after the redesign? i think the redesign of the characters did something to them
I think they are doing this because of all of SMG3 simps and weirdos so there trying to make SMG4 look bad cus they kno hes the fan favorite
2:21-2:31 maybe 3 is right,and on to something? Maybe he knows that 4 is mistreating his friends,pushing them away,he only cares about his channel,subs,views, popularity,attention(maybe 4 is an attention seeker? And is willing to do anything even hurt his friends just to get attention?) ,we all know that 3 is smart,uses his head/brain,thinks things through, he's not afraid to stand up to 4 when he's being out of line,he doesn't let 4 push him around,etc.
Holy shit this makes so much sense I have been watching SMG4 since I was like a little square. I like this theory. Although maybe it’s probably not going to happen. Now someone needs to write a story based on this. (If I could help pls)
DUDE ID SMG4 LOST I'D WHEEZING SO HARD like.. Imagine, That's like a dream for me since I favorite SMG3 alot.
I remember watching smg4 years ago and stopped watching.
This is actually insane
This theory is a interesting one to say the least
Achullay, we are still in puzzlevison.
16:38 wait but didn’t smg3 already have his villain arc with the RUclips when he try’s to send smg4 to delete smg4 and his out of existence and in the end gets banished to the realm of dead memes
smg3 almost took over smg4's channel in the youtube arc but maybe smg3 will take over smg4's channel once and for all
17:14 actually it wasnt them who did it. it was marios gum. 19:05 mr puzzles is trying to turn the smg4 show into his own show.
SMG4 (the character) has really changed especially since IGBP
It even scares me sometimes I can admit it 😅
It's a good theory, having an arc like that would be great with added help with old villains like Marty or even Peach (I hope to see her again one day)
BUT if they end this arc with a WOTFI (which they often do) it would be cool if they do it like the Waluigi arc: just Mario vs. SMG4 or something different like the 2023 arc 👀
It would also be cool if it all has to do with this hidden room in the castle that 4 doesn't want to talk about
Anyway, there are so many unsolved mysteries about SMG4 and I can't wait to find out more.
He's been my favorite RUclipsr since 2017 and has never been dethroned since 💙
I swear that boarded-up room is slowly becoming like the box from FNAF 4.
He literally changed his title video names!
Like this SMG4: Mario Day!
I thought SMG was that one guy who did those mario plush type videos, or am I thinking of someone else with a similar name?
Your thinking of SML (Super Mario Logan)
@@DJThatPlush oh yeeeeaaahh. Thanks for that.
I also have a theory which both of them if you go back in time and before when they got copyrighted strike by nintendo in the meme glitch episodes you will see smg4 going on a simulator and later on smg3 also got in by accident so my theory is there's stock in simulator
BUT HEY THATS JUST A THEORY, A WAR CRIME THEOR-
Love the theory but from watching smg4 for a long while this is just fladerisation
Okay, hear me out, I know it ain't about SMG4 and SMG3, and I have theories about them too, but since you got Mr. Puzzles mentioned, I got a theory:
In the comedy zone mini arc, we see Mr. Puzzles actually lying that he didn't care about the 5 stars anymore,(or atleast from what the speech he gave before he fought with SMG4) but even though he lied, from what you said, he could've just put the cast back to his head like nothing happened. But he didnt. My theory is that he wanted to get everyone in his show before because of the neglection he got as a child. THAT'S WHY HE GOT OBSESSED WITH TV ANYWAYS! because he had no friends, probably his family neglected him, not giving him enough love and just worsening his condition to became obsessed with Tv and cut his head off after because tv was the only friend that he had so he wanted to be one with the tv and become friends forever(proably a delusion that was). In the Comedy Zone mini arc again, we see Mr. Puzzles actually being happy around leggy and feeling grateful of her help in order to get to the comedy zone even though he has to maintain a cold-blooded villain facade from the quotes: ''I'm a cold-blooded villain young lady! and you should treat me with the respect I deserve!'' and ''CONSIST YOUR LAUGHING! We are NOT friends! nor are we buddy-buddy!'' even though we all know that he liked her being with him and assisting him. But when he found out Meggy wasn't Leggy anymore, he became upset with a crying face for a moment before getting angry at mario because he gave a mushroom to leggy. Cause Leggy had a whole different persona compared to Meggy. And if he tried to be friends with her, he knew he would get punched or kicked for all the things that he done to the cast. But I think he didn't looked mad at all to Meggy even though he said ''I'LL GET ALL OF YOU!'' because he knew she turned back accidentally.
16:12 YO I JUST HEARD THE BACKROUND MUDIC OF MY ANOTHER FANDOM!1!1!1
🙏 BLESS🙏 /ref
This is old but in the episode Stupid Mario Show SMG4 he forces Mario and Luigi to act
Please make more SMG4 video 😭
We can’t wait for wotfi2024 with dis one!!!
3 is not a villain anymore, he's more like an anti hero
SOME ONE GET THE SMG4 THEORISTS ON THISSSSSS
Epic
This theory has a lot of depth to it but I’ve noticed a pattern. Many different Mario, smg4 and smg3 arcs, muggy and tari arc, bob diss track arc .All characters get some sort of arc, but Luigi or boopkins. And they are abused by their brothers over and over and over again, a high quality arc is their.
Honestly I think it's just a new direction for the characters
3:49 Remove the E from Email☕
Smg4 needs to see this video
It's for the bit
maybe we’ll get the secret toxic yaoi storyline next time