We will see how they look in the new edition but I love using Armored Sentinels in a Mech list. Not amazing in terms of damage, but it takes a lot for an enemy to bring them down for only 40-something points. Really great to have something able to soak up a lot of firepower when you have fewer units to target.
When building your Armored fist company's, Don't forget that the baneblade and its many variants are an important option to consider. In 9th, The central objective was usually the eye of the storm in most games, and a lot of secondary's revolved around it. A stormlord with 40 infantry or an equivalence of Ogryn could be a surprisingly effective way of taking away oaths from power armored foes. ..Storm lords also did a good job of anti light/medium infantry in a list that just packed alot less las-guns than normal. That leaves your Kasarkin/vets/Scions in chimeras to claim the flanks while the manticores and the mortars provide fire support to whatever flank needs it the most. Just don't forget to screen, Every melee army in the game will punish you for leaving gaps in your lines. Your the guard, Move out in waves.
I've got an army of primarily tactical marines and razorbacks, farming CP via secondaries; assassinate, grind them down and behind enemy lines. Jump pack assault marines get bodies into the backline BR 2 before reserve tacs get there BR 3, lots of obsec to take and hold points, and lots of threatening firepower in the vehicles theoretically makes threat assessment tough
With some of the changes I’ve been seeing in 10th I’ve been dusting off and repainting my old chaos rhinos and land raider for my death guard. It’s actually kinda exciting to see my old plastic friends in action again.
My traditional list throughout 8th and 9th Edition was generally 3 HQs (currently a Castellan, Cadian Command Squad, and Tank Commander), 6 infantry squads (currently being reconfigured for 10th Ed with Plasma, Vox, and Missile Launchers) in Chimeras, a pair of Commissars, two heavy weapons squads with Lascannons (probably gonna swap them to missile launchers, a three-tank squad of Leman Russes, and an extra Chimera to carry my commanders. It didn't perform very well for a lot of 8th and 9th but it has performed pretty well in more recent games. Depending on how the points work out for 10th Edition, it will probably change a bit with HK missiles everywhere I can stick them.
This is honestly just what I was looking for. I started a guard army a few months ago (have painted 3 cadian infantry, a command squad and a leman Russ) and I hadn't really figured out what I wanted to specialize in, (so far I've only gotten esentials that basically any army will need) and this kind of tactic Sounds pretty cool.
Thoughts on an Iron Warrior mech army? Would Land Raiders have a place as the fist inside the armored gauntlet, or would it make more sense to stick with Rhinos and other hard hitters?
In 9th, Sadly no. Infantry are just vastly more cost effective and the mobility isn't worth the cost of the transport. Especially the Land raider. Theirs some play with Loading Rhinos full of melee, threats like berserkers or Chosen, and world eaters have actually scene some use of land raiders even. ...but none of that is really what your playing Iron warriors for. That said, Its still to early to get into the real grit of lists building in 10th, especially without points costs available. But its shaping up to be a Vehicle heavy meta, It full well might just be the edition of the tank. Certainly worth experimenting with and giving it a go once all the indexes are out. But from the data sheets, I genuinely think Dreadnoughts, Vindicators and Land raiders will see use, we may even see predators and whirlwind on the table for the first time since the end of 7th ed. (R.I.P for the traitors true best transport, The Beloved hades breaching drill. He will be missed.)
Me too. I want to play armoured and haven't played any 40k in years, was just planning on working it out as I go along in casual games. But Mordian's input would be invaluable. 😊
I now have a heavily converted command Russ, two squads of three Russ, three basilisks and three whirlwinds. A stormlord and shadowsword to choose from. Ha ha ha
In 10th I like the Taurox Prime with 5 man scion + scion command squad as an objective counter punch unit. An el Classico Leman Russ pairs nicely to really help take the opponent off that objective
I do love mechanised infantry, but I play marines so it's usually too expensive. 6 razorbacks with a tactical squad and 2 characters is nearly 3 quarters of 2K points so it's not really that good, especailly since tacticals and razorbacks aren't exactly the greatest units. My favourite list however, is a redeemer with two flanking razorbacks and a boxdread + a fast unit like bikes or assault marines each. Not really full mechanized and as many tanks as I'ld like to take, but at the very least there's a bit of variety.
I'm honestly ashamed to say that even in an army as numerous as Guard, it can be tough fitting *enough* of what I want in a Guard mech list. Getting enough 'bodies' to play objectives well while having enough firepower and support units to make your army work. There probably is no sweet spot ratio and how well your ratio works probably depends on what your opponents list is. It's also probably way too early for me to really guess as to how Guard will really work in 10th, but I will probably try doing Hybrid guard *with* mech. Maybe for every armored fist squad I will have a regular blog of 20 foot sloggers. The expectation that the 20 foot sloggers will move up/screen/die/then come back as reinforcements, while the armored fist squads are there to be sneaky outfkankers or just make sure you aren't losing forward progress when the blobs die and come back. The other tricky thing will be making sure all units have access to orders. Which I am sure would look like Command squads for the blobs, a castellan for the armored fists, and a tank commander for the handful of Leman Russes. And that will be a lot of things to try and fit in one list, even for Guard.
Hehe, just got back from my game store and everyone was afraid to fight my 13 guard tank army. They show up and say"I am waiting for my friend" or " I am playing someone else. Lol my army consists of 10 lemon Russ tanks with hk Missiles , dozer blades lead by Pask. 1 basilisk, 1 wyvern, 1 command chimira, 1 full command squad, 7 bulletins lead by dead dog, 2 10-man scions, 1scion prime. These players are all high teir players that only care about win loss records than having fun. The store manager always laughs when they tuck their tails between their legs and run off lol.
I have a meme list with a Stormlord with 4 Heavy Flamer Sponsons I fill with 10 Bullgryn, Commisar, Engineseer, and a DreadNork Command Squad with Power Fists...followed up with Lord Solar. Drive the Stormlord to the center of the map, unload turn two and let the mayhem commence. Lord Solar giving Mech orders to Stormlord, and Fix Bayonets to Bullgryn and take cover to the command squad. Makes the Center of the battlefield and 12" around it uninhabitable to the enemy.
@@APC117 yeah just a couple of stormlords with artilery supports like a basilsk and pack the stormlords with enough infantry to fill a football stadium
Can I ask you? Is it ok to run guardman pure tank army ? (including artillery "Basilisk" and sentinel) In term of fun & utility and a bit competitive. Fyi im not a guardman player just some daemon try to find a second army😂
It’s basically like running knights unless you ask your opponent before hand it’s best not to go full mech unless you agree with your opponent or you’re in for a competitive game.
Mordian recently made a video about this exact topic search for "So You Want to Run An Armoured Company List!" on his channel and have a listen. I'd say it can work but it's def not the strongest built. However throwing like 8 tanks and 12 sentinels at the enemy is great fun.
My newest army is imperial guard. 20 cadians, 20 catachan, gun battery team, two leman russ, a valkyrie, and a a cadian command squad. This army has been surprisingly powerful.
Guys im new to the hobby and i want to make a army for 1000 points and im going to use 4 chimeras 4 cadian sock troops 2 heavy waepons team a cadian command squad and 2 manticores is it playable;;
I have NEVER used Mech Guard 😲 I have always used straight leg Infantry with Artillery , Tank spearhead OR Valkyrie drop troops 🤠 Sadly , I am starting thinking Mech Guard will be the way to go in 10th 🤨 Rumor has it that Battle Scribe will not be updating to 10th edition 🤕 Does anyone have a good army calculator to use ????? 🤔
@@sidewinder3694 imagine a having a life with a JOB , wife , kids and family and not just living in your mom's basement on SSI . Time is expensive for some of us . My army is 20+ years old and I don't play every weekend and It is nice to have an easy to use format with "special" rules already in print out
We will see how they look in the new edition but I love using Armored Sentinels in a Mech list. Not amazing in terms of damage, but it takes a lot for an enemy to bring them down for only 40-something points. Really great to have something able to soak up a lot of firepower when you have fewer units to target.
Same here. Now that we can bring them back with a strat I think a squad of 3 will be an auto-include in Guard lists.
Some fun things to ponder whilst planning a mechanized scout list for space marines
@@ginmcright3723 is my favorite way to play my marines, even if my lists are not "optimal" or "competitive"
When building your Armored fist company's, Don't forget that the baneblade and its many variants are an important option to consider.
In 9th, The central objective was usually the eye of the storm in most games, and a lot of secondary's revolved around it. A stormlord with 40 infantry or an equivalence of Ogryn could be a surprisingly effective way of taking away oaths from power armored foes. ..Storm lords also did a good job of anti light/medium infantry in a list that just packed alot less las-guns than normal. That leaves your Kasarkin/vets/Scions in chimeras to claim the flanks while the manticores and the mortars provide fire support to whatever flank needs it the most.
Just don't forget to screen, Every melee army in the game will punish you for leaving gaps in your lines. Your the guard, Move out in waves.
Just what I needed as I’m painting my armor
I've got an army of primarily tactical marines and razorbacks, farming CP via secondaries; assassinate, grind them down and behind enemy lines.
Jump pack assault marines get bodies into the backline BR 2 before reserve tacs get there BR 3, lots of obsec to take and hold points, and lots of threatening firepower in the vehicles theoretically makes threat assessment tough
So how do you manage Tacticals + Razorbacks in 10th?
Just what I needed for my mechanized company of 4 tanks and 8 chimera vehicles.
With some of the changes I’ve been seeing in 10th I’ve been dusting off and repainting my old chaos rhinos and land raider for my death guard. It’s actually kinda exciting to see my old plastic friends in action again.
My traditional list throughout 8th and 9th Edition was generally 3 HQs (currently a Castellan, Cadian Command Squad, and Tank Commander), 6 infantry squads (currently being reconfigured for 10th Ed with Plasma, Vox, and Missile Launchers) in Chimeras, a pair of Commissars, two heavy weapons squads with Lascannons (probably gonna swap them to missile launchers, a three-tank squad of Leman Russes, and an extra Chimera to carry my commanders. It didn't perform very well for a lot of 8th and 9th but it has performed pretty well in more recent games. Depending on how the points work out for 10th Edition, it will probably change a bit with HK missiles everywhere I can stick them.
Grenade Launcher*
This is honestly just what I was looking for. I started a guard army a few months ago (have painted 3 cadian infantry, a command squad and a leman Russ) and I hadn't really figured out what I wanted to specialize in, (so far I've only gotten esentials that basically any army will need) and this kind of tactic Sounds pretty cool.
Thoughts on an Iron Warrior mech army? Would Land Raiders have a place as the fist inside the armored gauntlet, or would it make more sense to stick with Rhinos and other hard hitters?
In 9th, Sadly no. Infantry are just vastly more cost effective and the mobility isn't worth the cost of the transport. Especially the Land raider. Theirs some play with Loading Rhinos full of melee, threats like berserkers or Chosen, and world eaters have actually scene some use of land raiders even. ...but none of that is really what your playing Iron warriors for.
That said, Its still to early to get into the real grit of lists building in 10th, especially without points costs available. But its shaping up to be a Vehicle heavy meta, It full well might just be the edition of the tank. Certainly worth experimenting with and giving it a go once all the indexes are out. But from the data sheets, I genuinely think Dreadnoughts, Vindicators and Land raiders will see use, we may even see predators and whirlwind on the table for the first time since the end of 7th ed.
(R.I.P for the traitors true best transport, The Beloved hades breaching drill. He will be missed.)
I'd love to hear your thoughts on an armored company in 10th since vehicles have their own OC now.
Me too. I want to play armoured and haven't played any 40k in years, was just planning on working it out as I go along in casual games. But Mordian's input would be invaluable. 😊
I now have a heavily converted command Russ, two squads of three Russ, three basilisks and three whirlwinds. A stormlord and shadowsword to choose from. Ha ha ha
Probably can't run them as an army now can I?
Just primed an M41 Walker model that I’m gonna use as a sort of steel legion basilisk
In 10th I like the Taurox Prime with 5 man scion + scion command squad as an objective counter punch unit. An el Classico Leman Russ pairs nicely to really help take the opponent off that objective
Does a Stormlord and/or a Doomhammer fit the theme ? 🤔
My long term mech army WIP is all chimera chassis, so hellhounds, wyverns, hydras etc
Going to try out that shark sneak
I do love mechanised infantry, but I play marines so it's usually too expensive. 6 razorbacks with a tactical squad and 2 characters is nearly 3 quarters of 2K points so it's not really that good, especailly since tacticals and razorbacks aren't exactly the greatest units. My favourite list however, is a redeemer with two flanking razorbacks and a boxdread + a fast unit like bikes or assault marines each. Not really full mechanized and as many tanks as I'ld like to take, but at the very least there's a bit of variety.
I'm honestly ashamed to say that even in an army as numerous as Guard, it can be tough fitting *enough* of what I want in a Guard mech list. Getting enough 'bodies' to play objectives well while having enough firepower and support units to make your army work. There probably is no sweet spot ratio and how well your ratio works probably depends on what your opponents list is.
It's also probably way too early for me to really guess as to how Guard will really work in 10th, but I will probably try doing Hybrid guard *with* mech. Maybe for every armored fist squad I will have a regular blog of 20 foot sloggers. The expectation that the 20 foot sloggers will move up/screen/die/then come back as reinforcements, while the armored fist squads are there to be sneaky outfkankers or just make sure you aren't losing forward progress when the blobs die and come back. The other tricky thing will be making sure all units have access to orders. Which I am sure would look like Command squads for the blobs, a castellan for the armored fists, and a tank commander for the handful of Leman Russes. And that will be a lot of things to try and fit in one list, even for Guard.
What exactly are you playing in those videos btw?
Dawn of War 1
Hehe, just got back from my game store and everyone was afraid to fight my 13 guard tank army. They show up and say"I am waiting for my friend" or " I am playing someone else. Lol my army consists of 10 lemon Russ tanks with hk Missiles , dozer blades lead by Pask. 1 basilisk, 1 wyvern, 1 command chimira, 1 full command squad, 7 bulletins lead by dead dog, 2 10-man scions, 1scion prime. These players are all high teir players that only care about win loss records than having fun. The store manager always laughs when they tuck their tails between their legs and run off lol.
why not use the super heavy transports such as the stormlord
I have a meme list with a Stormlord with 4 Heavy Flamer Sponsons I fill with 10 Bullgryn, Commisar, Engineseer, and a DreadNork Command Squad with Power Fists...followed up with Lord Solar. Drive the Stormlord to the center of the map, unload turn two and let the mayhem commence.
Lord Solar giving Mech orders to Stormlord, and Fix Bayonets to Bullgryn and take cover to the command squad. Makes the Center of the battlefield and 12" around it uninhabitable to the enemy.
Storm lords might have been moved to legends for some odd reason by GW
@@APC117 yeah just a couple of stormlords with artilery supports like a basilsk and pack the stormlords with enough infantry to fill a football stadium
But now we just send in the next wave! 😂
Can I ask you?
Is it ok to run guardman pure tank army ? (including artillery "Basilisk" and sentinel)
In term of fun & utility and a bit competitive.
Fyi im not a guardman player just some daemon try to find a second army😂
It’s basically like running knights unless you ask your opponent before hand it’s best not to go full mech unless you agree with your opponent or you’re in for a competitive game.
Mordian recently made a video about this exact topic search for "So You Want to Run An Armoured Company List!" on his channel and have a listen.
I'd say it can work but it's def not the strongest built. However throwing like 8 tanks and 12 sentinels at the enemy is great fun.
what game is playing in the video?
Dawn of War 1
My newest army is imperial guard. 20 cadians, 20 catachan, gun battery team, two leman russ, a valkyrie, and a a cadian command squad. This army has been surprisingly powerful.
Gonna ignore all this because this tank commander needs to hit them with my sword
Guys im new to the hobby and i want to make a army for 1000 points and im going to use 4 chimeras 4 cadian sock troops 2 heavy waepons team a cadian command squad and 2 manticores is it playable;;
I have NEVER used Mech Guard 😲
I have always used straight leg Infantry with Artillery , Tank spearhead OR Valkyrie drop troops 🤠
Sadly , I am starting thinking Mech Guard will be the way to go in 10th 🤨
Rumor has it that Battle Scribe will not be updating to 10th edition 🤕
Does anyone have a good army calculator to use ????? 🤔
Pen and paper
@@sidewinder3694 that is so 90's / 00's
Last I checked we are in 20's with 2023
@@sidewinder3694 that is so 90's / 00's
Last I checked we are in 20's with 2023
Imagine having to use your brain instead of just tapping like an autistic child on your scrying mirror (phone)😢 terrifying i know
@@sidewinder3694 imagine a having a life with a JOB , wife , kids and family and not just living in your mom's basement on SSI . Time is expensive for some of us .
My army is 20+ years old and I don't play every weekend and It is nice to have an easy to use format with "special" rules already in print out