Pokemon Champions has finally been released, and honestly it's been an absolute disaster so far on the decisions they've made. Let me know what your thoughts are in the comments!
@j4n3m84 You literally cannot be this braindead.. It has fun aspects to it obviously since it is still competitive Pokemon, but it is *far* below the bare minimum, *again,* especially for a game dedicated to battling alone. This is a fact, you can still enjoy the game and even through all this bs I enjoyed mu first moments with it so far, but I’ll be damned before I let any of you wetbrains find a way to defend yet another dropped ball, a ball that doesn’t need more than common sense to understand what’s wrong with it lmao
@Dollarstore18 some people really like getting offended on the behalf of corporations that don't care anything about them. The fact hes commenting multiple times about how others are being dramatic, is in itself pretty dramatic lmfao.
I hope ppl realize they messed up BDSP and not gamefreak. I never bought that gamefreak told ILCA to hold back, I just think the developers of ILCA have never played a pokemon game before and have no idea what they are doing
@CzarKing23which explains the massive difficulty spike between victory road and the first challenge of the Elite 4. Having a fully competitively viable elite 4 is awesome but a lot of teambuilding is locked beyond becoming champion and so you basically have to rely on friendship hacks to get your playthrough team across the finish line.
@berenerchamion4998yup and an added bonus here we are again in 2026 not having at least 900 pokemon available in a game because game Freak is desperately scraping for that money. It's been long deceased before gen 9 was released. We can't even play with our favorite mons nor try out all the mega evolutions. I'm done supporting these scumbags. We deserve better and I want the best for the Franchise to actually mellow into what it needs to be.
they didn't get rid of anything. when s/v came out, 1st format was limited so ppl could catch up. if everything was made available right away, everyone that didn't grind za or s/v would be punished and have no reason to play which is the literal opposite objective for the game. think about what you're saying and break it down in your head before speaking lmao.
Having less pokemon is great. You can't pick the pokemon you want so having a lower level metagame is great and free to play friendly. This rethoric get instantly destroyed when you consider they added inci and a lot of the strongest meta. What are they doing??😢
There's over 200 while I agree it's not enough how big of a phone do you have or how small are the sprites on your screen if you can fit 200+ pokemon on 1 screen
I think bothers me most is they didn't add any pre evos except fricking Peekachu, but then all of the dumbahh Pikachu clones and the damn monkeys. Over two thirds of em won't be used ever
Well when the fans make Pokemon showdown work on my mobile phone like they're planning on making this game in June do then I'll side with you on that mentality. 😂 The reason why this game is so basic for the switch is because it isn't supposed to be a switch game it's supposed to be a mobile game.😮 Competitive Pokemon on my mobile phone is something I've been waiting for for the last decade of my life. And I think that's the primary thing that you people are missing out on when it comes to figuring that out is there just testing this game on the switch it's majorly supposed to be the first competitive Pokemon game on the Play store. Which if it looks this good it's going to be one of the best games on the Play store by far.
At this point I'm convinced they don't even want to run a business, they just have a running bet of how much they can get away with giving us shit games.
@rieiid5867 Pokopia revitalized my faith in the franchise. All it took was a game that was literally the opposite of everything they've ever done with no gameplay or features anything like their previous titles...
16:21 so any developers of champions going to explain why the tutorial popup for replica teams has a tauros with clear amulet, but we don't have access to it?
@aclonymous *Soon to be released with an update content* Its crazy how they could have just simply done everything right and they STILL messed it up. The fact Premuim doesn't include battle pass and they are seperate purchases is kind of odd to me or am i just tripping?
you don’t play VGC so you wouldn’t understand, it’s not a platform for 6v6 (this is sarcasm, but also how idk why people are legit saying this on posts 😅)
@PixelShiftss you still require a Nintendo subscription for online play even if you don't require a subscription for champions specifically. you also need to use Pokémon home to transfer Pokémon into the game, and without a subscription to that, you're limited to 30 storage slots. so the game is only sort of free to play.
Such an unbelievably incorrect comparison, they're not comparable at all, you just picked two companies you didn't like and interchanged their names lmao
Hoenn because the Megas will probably be some Kind of reward later on Galar because they wanted things to be less strong and Rillaboom kinda breaks that That or they just didn’t want Terrain setters
@reenverseme9358 Champions is VGC the game. I play competitive Pokemon for the competitive part, wild idea I know. F2P gacha games usually aren't very friendly to competitive play, and it shouldn't surprise anyone Champions isn't either.
@SaltyMaudChampions came out yesterday buddy. It hasn't fully transitioned into being the "VGC game". It's a live-update game so, instead of crying about it, go back to showdown and enjoy the formats you want. 🤷♀️
@reenverseme9358 Champions is the new official platform for VGC, so it is to be judged as such. I'm not going back to showdown, it was never my primary platform, official VGC doubles is.
Stadium had single player content. This looks like someone asked ChatGPT to write an NS version of Showdown but it timed out before it finished reading the code and started making shit up.
Kind of nuts that Pokemon Battle Sims have steadily gotten LESS features over time despite the Pokemon company steadily making more money. But everything has to be a live service game now, doesn't it? And we can't have that without a steady stream of previously withheld features.
They had more pokemon in unown variants inside a gameboy cartridge than they have now in the newest game... The limit in box space was just the beginning
@desubysnusnu They have the Choice Scarf, I think it was an intentional choice to decrease the power level starting out (probably to baby-ify things for newer players).
Ya know I wasn't sure if it was them or not but when I saw the menus and game models I was like "are these the same people that did BDSP?" Yeahhh super disappointing then 🫠
It’s actually not, singles is the format but seldom do opponents have full teams of Pokemon. Let alone a dedicated team. Only thing we saw like that was W2 Hard mode. Very much so a reach
@justinharris6685 Stupid semantics. The NPCs being babies that have no ability to challenge the player's team of 6 has no relevance on what the standard of the game is. 6v6 is THE game. Period.
So the faster mon gets priority on conflicting field effects. So far the slower mon would always use its ability second, but either the developers for Champions didn't know, or this was an international competitive choice by gamefreak for handling mutually exclusive abilities entering at the same time. Giving the faster pokemon priority does make sense from a balancing perspective when you generally want to reward speed as a stat, but it does go against historic precedent.
@SethAbercrombyI didn't understand, so how exactly does the order of mega evolution actually work? And when do switches happen first or later, is there a pattern?
If the games suck, and you know the games suck, why? Nostalgia isn't even part of it, PLAY THEY GAMES YOU ALREADY OWN. I replay Sapphire occasionally, or like BW1/2. Why do you continue to buy trash when you already have the thing you want?
I’m hugely disappointed by the fact that the only mechanic is Mega. The reveal showed a mega and a tera on the field at the same time. I was genuinely interested in seeing different mechanics clash but this starting point is the bare minimum
This is incredibly disappointing. I stopped playing pokemon almost 2y ago. And I did so because gen 9 just left me with such bad taste in my mouth after playing pokemon since 1999. And created content since 2011. I will share every memory with draft league and matches I had with you Hayden and every poketuber that is and has been around. But these compromise pokemon insist on making in their games. There are so much possibilities with these games and they just funk the product every time. I will keep watching what you do Haydun. But I will not coming back when they keep screwing this up!
"You're like a car crash in slow motion. It's like I'm watchin' ya fly through a windshield." - what it's like to witness every new pokemon game launch since sword and shield and it feels like it gets worse every time somehow
the most defense of this i see is "just wait theyll add more", which just doesnt stack up for me. of course theyre adding more, but this launch is pathetic
There is no excuse for not having 6v6 in private battles but yall are insane if you thought it was getting a dedicated queue, the animations are the same runaround weve been getting for like a decade now, and it would have been easier to just move everything over and call it a day so it seems that the limited selection is a deliberate choice to help new players easily learn how these interactions work since all the items in the game are very simple in effect tho they definitely could've included a few more pokemon
And this game was made by same developer who made Shining Pearl and Brilliant Diamond. ICLA using unity again on this. Except this time you can't mod it since it's exclusively internet connection play only
As someone who only cares about VGC, its honestly baffling that 6v6 singles is not in the game. I actually think Pokemon Co is braindead for some of the decisions they have made… Literally all they had to do was copy Pokemon Showdown, make a couple of unique changes and slap a pretty coat of paint on it and they would have built a money printer. It legitimately seems like this game was the most free layup of all time and they completely faceplanted onto broken glass😂
Thank you for not being a VGC Supremacist, some people get so rude and nasty towards singles players and I’ve never understood how it affects them in the slightest
Yeah it would have been incredibly simple for this game to become a money printer: Step 1: Just copy Showdown Step 2: Monetize shiny Pokemon Step 3: Make millions
That's literally what Konami did with Master Duel, when popular fan made Yu-Gi-Oh sims were already running around at that time. People still flocked to the game and it's still successful to this day.
@ghani666 It's tribalism and they do it because they feel threatened by other people enjoying something they don't. They falsely believe that if TPC supported singles 6v6, VGC would somehow be less supported or neglected. In response to this irrational fear, they lash out at the perceived "other" in order to prevent the perceived "other" from growing. It is the same exact reason for all forms of bigotry. It is a colonialist, capitalistic mindset, and it permeates everything we do. Now that you understand its roots, you will begin to see it in every aspect of life.
@ArkGenesys I'm way ahead of you on that, trust. You'll notice that Singles players are never that way towards VGC players...also an interesting parallel
The hard push for VGC compared to singles has always confused the hell out of me considering that the vast majority of the battles in every mainline Pokémon game are single battles.
I mean it makes since, doubles is a lot less chaotic than singles due to stall not being as good, only having 4 pokemom instead of 6, and a lot of great mpves in singles become less powerful in exchange for hitting all targets. Youd think pokemon would put more emphasis on doubles in the mainline games. To be fair they did start with the blueberry academy focusing on double battles, but they need to put more of that stuff into the game without dlc
@malik.a4125basically this, yeah, plus there's also the fact that long Singles matches are just a chore to watch. Doubles is incredibly more volatile in comparison, so matches rarely last more than 15 turns
Its because a lot of the other youtubers are afraid of losing out on perks and sponsorships from their TPC overlords, and need to shill to keep that up.
When you compare this game to be a mobile game it's actually pure gold all you have to do is wait till June. Then it'll be the first mobile vcg Pokemon game that exists.
Bro how do they mess this up so badly 😭 just make an official Pokemon showdown and they win. Give people options to customize their avatars with payed cosmetics and there's their money 🤦♂️
They could have just given us an official PS that's free to play, but you have to buy shiny Pokémon to use them. They'd have just been printing themselves money had they done that.
They can't compete with fan made clients. Flat out. People who want Showdown already have Showdown. They could never include all the features of Showdown. Look at how Mario Maker goes out of its way to make it impossible re-create the old games. This should have been a mode attached to all new Pokemon games that they updated over time, it shouldn't be a stand alone client. Not unless they want to attach a game to it. (Dungeon crawling, etc. Which would also cannibalize mainline games. They can't compete against themselves.)
@SilverBorderedtrue, in order to get new pokemon you'll just have to fork cash in order to get the NEW battle pass, or gen 10! Don't forget the DLC for the mythical that's gonna become meta! On an unrelated note, how does that boot taste?
@funninoriginal6054 I don’t lick boots, this game pisses me off. It’s literally the game I’ve been waiting a decade for, and it released less than half baked. However, it’s dishonest to argue it can’t have more than 200 Pokémon. It literally will. This is not the battle we need to be fighting. The lack of items, animation quality, 6v6 singles, etc. is more important.
@med3694It’s not. Even the anime used a team of 6v6 to declare Ash the Pokemon champion. I might be overthinking this, but 6v6 is what pokemon based their formula on. Every in game champion battle is 6v6
@vez3834it's not about competitive. Champions literally will be the new online mode, gen 10 will not even have an online mode because champions exist. so there should be a 6v6 mode for casuals when doing private matches.
Well when you realize this game will be put on mobile it does. For a game 2 work on the switch and everybody's phone it's going to have to be a little bit simple. Not like everybody's phone has 16 gb of RAM in it and a CPU and GPU that could handle scarlet and violet. 🤣 Really no different than pokemon unite tbh.
@HenriqueRJchikisomething that you never even tried.😂 I know you people are just bitching to bitch because that's something you people like to do. You don't even have the ability to compare things in your head so why would I believe anything you say.😮
You people like ad hominem fallacies more than you actually like real forms of a logic and it explains people that use fallacies as formal logic aren't logical people.😂 Do you actually have a pure thawed out reasoning behind your statements then you can list them like a smart person if not then keep your ad hominem fallacy to yourself. 🖕
I changed my Milotic to Marvel Scale, only to realize I can’t put on a damn Flame Orb. Now I don’t want to waste points to change again, so just keeping it in the abyss until an update…
Points are so easy to grind in this game don't worry about it. I spent my first 20,000 points on just getting my character to look good. And now I already have over a 100k points from just grinding rank. You have to be truly lazy to spend money in this game, stupid possibly, or rich with no cares. 🙌
@IIINo_Name no this game is made for competetive period wich 6v6 is not a part off. you crying about it does not change that fact. go back to the main games
@tarfielarchelone2674"whales" are the few people who pour tons of money into games with micro transactions and other in game purchases that game companies are truly looking for. 1000 people may touch the game once and never again, but when they get the whale, that's where they get the big money.
@tarfielarchelone2674with these types of free online/gatcha games most of the sales come from a small percent of players spending absurd amounts of money on it
Completely agree with your very thought-out review/analysis. For me, besides 6v6, the missing megas and Pokemon there were part of the promotion material is too much.
The worst part is I know TPC will take the wrong message from its reception and assume players don’t want a proper showdown clone, then put game freak back into the grind of giving us the exactly same thing we’ve gotten for 30 years instead of trying again and fixing the game’s issues
This game is also coming to Mobile in June so you have to realize it's going to have to be oversimplified for that to even work and make sense. 😂 This game is already 1.8 gigabytes and it only has 180 Pokemon a couple megas and less than 60 items. If they were to smack everything into this game all at once it would be close to about a 6 to 7 gigabyte game and it would definitely freak people out on mobile. Nintendo has been working on a game to be released to the Play store and the Apple store for over a decade and this is what we're getting it's just been released on switch so they can work off the hardware on the software.
Single player could have been amazing, it would just have to be trainer battles, and they could include tons of trainers and gym leaders and Elite 4 etc from all the games.
Oh man, I LOVED Pokemon Stadium 2. Not only the battles, but the mini-games that would use your own POkemon. And then slightly recolor them depending on their nicknames.
Never underestimate Pokemon’s ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
game really isnt that bad yall are so dramatic
@j4n3m84 disappointment is not being dramatic, idk why you’re commenting that same criticism to multiple people.
@j4n3m84
You literally cannot be this braindead.. It has fun aspects to it obviously since it is still competitive Pokemon, but it is *far* below the bare minimum, *again,* especially for a game dedicated to battling alone.
This is a fact, you can still enjoy the game and even through all this bs I enjoyed mu first moments with it so far, but I’ll be damned before I let any of you wetbrains find a way to defend yet another dropped ball, a ball that doesn’t need more than common sense to understand what’s wrong with it lmao
@Dollarstore18 some people really like getting offended on the behalf of corporations that don't care anything about them. The fact hes commenting multiple times about how others are being dramatic, is in itself pretty dramatic lmfao.
As long as they get your money, they don’t care.
Mega evolve order is determined by internet speed
LMAO 🤣
Well, the Kiwis and Aussies are out of luck
They're playing upside down so trick room is active by default
can confirm this as an aussie
@KingRumar That might be a buff if you want your weather to go off last!
"They gave this game to the same developers as BDSP"
And now it makes sense!
I'm still upset they massacred my boy like that
I hope ppl realize they messed up BDSP and not gamefreak. I never bought that gamefreak told ILCA to hold back, I just think the developers of ILCA have never played a pokemon game before and have no idea what they are doing
@CzarKing23which explains the massive difficulty spike between victory road and the first challenge of the Elite 4. Having a fully competitively viable elite 4 is awesome but a lot of teambuilding is locked beyond becoming champion and so you basically have to rely on friendship hacks to get your playthrough team across the finish line.
More like same developers as pokemon unite
Is there any place where it is confirmed that ILCA make champions? just out of curiosity.
Gotta give them props.. they’ve somehow created the perfect game that isn’t friendly to both new AND experienced players.
I haven’t heard a more horrid take in my life
@Slimm-sThat basically sums up the video, stranger. You clearly didn’t watch it if’n you think that’s the most horrid take you’ve ever heard.
Ignore the two people above me, they're re.tar.ded
If you have pokemon go you can easily get mega floette. No za needed
No idea why they release mobile version later when switch players will have stocked up teams and mobile players will suffer
If there's one thing Pokemon is good at, its getting rid of things we enjoy.
Exactly
They’re competing with Roblox in terms of that metric
No one in their right mind should still be buying & consuming Pokémon. Their product got bad about ten years ago.
@berenerchamion4998yup and an added bonus here we are again in 2026 not having at least 900 pokemon available in a game because game Freak is desperately scraping for that money. It's been long deceased before gen 9 was released.
We can't even play with our favorite mons nor try out all the mega evolutions. I'm done supporting these scumbags.
We deserve better and I want the best for the Franchise to actually mellow into what it needs to be.
they didn't get rid of anything. when s/v came out, 1st format was limited so ppl could catch up. if everything was made available right away, everyone that didn't grind za or s/v would be punished and have no reason to play which is the literal opposite objective for the game. think about what you're saying and break it down in your head before speaking lmao.
having less available mons than Battle Revolution or even Stadium 2 is just insane.
BR also looks leagues part and has an actual announcer. Genius Sonority should've made this game.
The Pokémon stadium games were peak, the announcer and the lively animations made the Pokémon feel alive
The bar was on the floor, but then Pokemon bust out the shovel.
The bar is in hell.
Satan is playing limbo with pre nerf dark void Smeargle
@Ajani-mk2gdlol i actually choked on my food reading that.😂😅
@KtckYTIt was the build up. Well played guys 😅
The bar was on the floor in what way? The games sell more than ever and Pokemon is in its prime.
Bro atp they are fracking 😭
There are 213 usable pokemon, and four of them are Gourgeist
An six are Rotom and 4 are Taurus. The illusion of choice.
Don't forget the 5 (five!) versions of Alcremie!
Having less pokemon is great. You can't pick the pokemon you want so having a lower level metagame is great and free to play friendly. This rethoric get instantly destroyed when you consider they added inci and a lot of the strongest meta. What are they doing??😢
@lauralodovici6697 they are creating live service slop, what else :)
@darken0id306 tauros and rotom are atleast good or decent
The fact that the roster fits on my phone in portrait mode and I can still identify all of them means there are FAR too few pokemon...
There's over 200 while I agree it's not enough how big of a phone do you have or how small are the sprites on your screen if you can fit 200+ pokemon on 1 screen
@SorcererSloth Jesus can't take a little joke? I literally agreed with there not being enough pokemon but okay
I think bothers me most is they didn't add any pre evos except fricking Peekachu, but then all of the dumbahh Pikachu clones and the damn monkeys. Over two thirds of em won't be used ever
They are not beating the "fan does better job than multi billion dollar company" allegations anytime soon
Well when the fans make Pokemon showdown work on my mobile phone like they're planning on making this game in June do then I'll side with you on that mentality. 😂 The reason why this game is so basic for the switch is because it isn't supposed to be a switch game it's supposed to be a mobile game.😮 Competitive Pokemon on my mobile phone is something I've been waiting for for the last decade of my life. And I think that's the primary thing that you people are missing out on when it comes to figuring that out is there just testing this game on the switch it's majorly supposed to be the first competitive Pokemon game on the Play store. Which if it looks this good it's going to be one of the best games on the Play store by far.
Real. Pokemon Brick Bronze still is one of the best in my book iykyk
I honestly can't say if they's stubborn... or just stupid...
@grayfox4819 they're stupid, undeniably
@grayfox4819Both. They are greedy too.
I’m glad pokemon is sticking to their business moto of: The customer is always wrong and so are we.
At this point I'm convinced they don't even want to run a business, they just have a running bet of how much they can get away with giving us shit games.
@rieiid5867 Pokopia revitalized my faith in the franchise. All it took was a game that was literally the opposite of everything they've ever done with no gameplay or features anything like their previous titles...
you, my friend, truly are a poet of our time
@stevenleonmusicthat's because they had help from koei tecmo
@stevenleonmusicthat's because they didn't really make it
16:21 so any developers of champions going to explain why the tutorial popup for replica teams has a tauros with clear amulet, but we don't have access to it?
nahhh that is diabolical tbf
toxapex with black sludge is featured front and center in all of the trailers, then black sludge isn't even in the game
@aclonymous *Soon to be released with an update content*
Its crazy how they could have just simply done everything right and they STILL messed it up.
The fact Premuim doesn't include battle pass and they are seperate purchases is kind of odd to me or am i just tripping?
“Let me be clear…”
@TheBlackShinigamiall pokemon and items are finished and they are releasing them later as paid expansions or whatever. Something like this.
Adding Oran Berry is crazy , wtf is restoring 10hp going to do when all the Pokemon available have over 100hp...
you don’t play VGC so you wouldn’t understand, it’s not a platform for 6v6
(this is sarcasm, but also how idk why people are legit saying this on posts 😅)
The disrespect is hilarious and so terrible my dawg 😭😂
Oran berry sturdy nosepass in the future lets gooooooo
The oran berry tech is gonna take off
Don't diss the oran berry blissey(if u know u know).. oh wait... blissey aint there
Pokemon Stadium managed more with megabytes than Champions managed with gigabytes.
Yep.
"It's a one hit wonder!"
Showdown does it as a website 💀
Every N64 game was peak compared to it's successors
Check out Jegi’s Pokemon Stadium Challenge for some good nostalgia
Hayden in 3 days: "Nobody uses Castform, SO..."😜
There are some Pokémon that simply cannot be saved.
I would love to be proven wrong though.
It’s sad Pokemon can’t even compete with a free web browser
Is pokemon champion free at least?
@omegafr299hahahahahah no...
@howardjones1388what are you talking about it is free
@PixelShiftss it free like how free samples are free
@PixelShiftss you still require a Nintendo subscription for online play even if you don't require a subscription for champions specifically. you also need to use Pokémon home to transfer Pokémon into the game, and without a subscription to that, you're limited to 30 storage slots.
so the game is only sort of free to play.
Pokémon Champions as it stands now is basically a fancy ad for Pokémon Showdown.
Don't start saying stuff like that, Nintendo/Gamefreak might start eyeing it up
Until Nintendo shuts it down.
Magic the gathering did it for their unofficial sim. Pokemon will surely come after showdown
pokemon battle revolution 2.0
@coledavidson5630exactly
ILCA is like the 343 studios of Pokemon
Such an unbelievably incorrect comparison, they're not comparable at all, you just picked two companies you didn't like and interchanged their names lmao
@antiseptic_girl2 companies fumbling the bag with beloved IPs...hmm seems like a decent comparison to me
@antiseptic_girl "it/she" being a total slave to corporations. Shocking.
Bruh what did Hoenn and Galar starters do to not get invited
Being hilariously broken for one.
Who invited the galar mons 😂😂 the hoenn are at least megas
Hoenn starters are trapped in Hyperspace, as per Z-A, apparently
Hoenn because the Megas will probably be some Kind of reward later on
Galar because they wanted things to be less strong and Rillaboom kinda breaks that
That or they just didn’t want Terrain setters
The first season coincides with when roughly the mobile release should be happening so june should be a giant update
Showdown continues to eat well.
showdown is outdated and barely anyone plays it
@med3694yeah, more and more people are leaving it, and a ton use it for draft stuff
@med3694 wdym by outdated?
@med3694I know a ton of people that play showdown, it updates all the time, whatchu talking about?
@med3694Damn I guess those 29k people who are playing it right now don’t exist.
The hoenn starters not avaliable is a crime
6:35 gotta love the 4 size variation for the gourgeist
Hahahahaha I was about to say this
@cantcopewontcopenope4 Tauros too lol. Tf
@Augur_RAzulatleast the tauros forms have different types and moves they get
I was gonna say surely they aren’t taking 4 of the 158 slots
@KingYoshi3wait they are?
The next 800 will be different spinda forms.
At least Dedenne is available so Haydunn's mariage is safe.
The bare minimum for a single player mode could’ve been a battle tower but ideally a better version of the battle frontier would’ve been goated.
so much for yesterday being your last Scarlet and Violet battle...
I feel really bad for him. Why can’t we just get a new game with normal battles? Is that REALLY too much to ask?
@georgeward-bolton2176but we do, the normal competitive is 4v4 doubles
fax
You act like it's gonna stay this way. People are idiots
@e4_alvarad0 something like 6v6 shouldnt be something that gets added in later downloads.
I knew Champions was gonna be bad, but I never expected it to be THIS bad.
It's really not though. I encourage you to play it yourself first over taking the opinions of the "hardcore" VGC players and Showdown elitists.
@reenverseme9358 Champions is VGC the game. I play competitive Pokemon for the competitive part, wild idea I know. F2P gacha games usually aren't very friendly to competitive play, and it shouldn't surprise anyone Champions isn't either.
@SaltyMaudChampions came out yesterday buddy. It hasn't fully transitioned into being the "VGC game". It's a live-update game so, instead of crying about it, go back to showdown and enjoy the formats you want. 🤷♀️
@reenverseme9358 Champions is the new official platform for VGC, so it is to be judged as such. I'm not going back to showdown, it was never my primary platform, official VGC doubles is.
@SaltyMaud You can just bring over 'mons from Home and ignore the gacha part.
When they kept kicking the can for an entire year, I knew right then and there we are in for one hell of a disappointment
Not having 6v6 is very disappointing
Yea they lost me right there and then
That alone kills interest for me :/
@nicolasromani3523Yeah Same Here Its Very Underweming
It doesn't even make sense. It's baffling.
That shit takes an incredibly long time
All they had to do was make a 2026 Stadium game and what we got is an always online alpha that they will be updating to get up to the bare minimum.
Not even stadium lol. Pokemon showdown is right there. All they had to do was do that but with better visuals and graphics. That's literally it.
@elid2532they could have taken Pokemon Stadium 2, added online battles, and it'd be a better game than Champions is.
Fr
Stadium had single player content. This looks like someone asked ChatGPT to write an NS version of Showdown but it timed out before it finished reading the code and started making shit up.
@stevenleonmusic💀💀💀
Kind of nuts that Pokemon Battle Sims have steadily gotten LESS features over time despite the Pokemon company steadily making more money.
But everything has to be a live service game now, doesn't it? And we can't have that without a steady stream of previously withheld features.
The fact that 4 of the accessible Pokémon slots are taken up by different Gourgeist forms is criminal
Holy .... imagine if these frauds would take Vivillion variants as slot each, worse Unown and Spindas!
They had more pokemon in unown variants inside a gameboy cartridge than they have now in the newest game...
The limit in box space was just the beginning
yeah this whole game is beyond worthless
@Sméágóls_Harvest i mean its free
@danielnidhiry5796 lol bro it's literally not
to get the whole game you need to buy the pass
just like every other shit game out there
Fuck it, I’m sticking with Pokemon Stadium 2
Join us, play Pokemon Colosseum/XD brooo 😂
... nah fr I loved that game, still have it... Never finished it tho
Dude upgrade to XD for the battling, keep stadium 2 around for the mini games though... best pokemon game in 20 years were those mini games
I feel like dedicated enough modders could absolute fit the entire Pokedex into stadium 2
@AverageEggmonEnthusiast I should look into romhacks of this, this would be incredible!
@AverageEggmonEnthusiast That'd be pretty hard, you're not working with a lot of space for N64 ROMS.
Back to Pokemon Stadium 2.
12:29 there are more held items obtainable in Pokopia than there are in this game.
They forgot Choice band..
It's honestly unbelievable
@desubysnusnu They have the Choice Scarf, I think it was an intentional choice to decrease the power level starting out (probably to baby-ify things for newer players).
@desubysnusnu At least we have a free focus band xD
Thats so sad
@desubysnusnuthere's definitely a reason why they removed it.😂
I knew this game was screwed when they legit just hired Ilca to become Pokémon Works, it was doomed from the start
The same people that made BDSP??? Oh man this was over before it began.
@JeremiahGMDI didn't know this either until Haydunn mentioned it; that really shits on the parade by quite a magnitude...
That's why I was not surprised about the mediocrity of the game
Ya know I wasn't sure if it was them or not but when I saw the menus and game models I was like "are these the same people that did BDSP?"
Yeahhh super disappointing then 🫠
Pokemon as a series is like Gyarados evolving into Magicarp.
THE C IN MAGIKARP IS SUPPOSED TO BE A K!
@Amelia4111i think the C stands for "amazing"
If you check the credits and Wikipedia page the game only has 2 programmers, completely mismanaged
Wait just 2? I seriously was expecting alot more... Something smells fishy indeed...
Pokémon Uranium had just one guy behind it and it's still better...
@daikatarokamegawa542
No it isn't.
@daikatarokamegawa542 You can say that about most rom hacks though. And there are far better fan games than Uranium that fit that bill...
Pokemon managed to find the one company more incompetent than gamefreak
Crazy how 6v6 singles is literally the format of the mainline games 😂
It’s actually not, singles is the format but seldom do opponents have full teams of Pokemon. Let alone a dedicated team. Only thing we saw like that was W2 Hard mode. Very much so a reach
@justinharris6685yes it is
@justinharris6685 the point is mainline games mostly feature single battling and never forced doubles. nice try
So you're agreeing with him
@justinharris6685 Stupid semantics. The NPCs being babies that have no ability to challenge the player's team of 6 has no relevance on what the standard of the game is. 6v6 is THE game. Period.
Thanks to you haydunn im going to wait a year. I absolutely knew this was going to happen and has further kept me away from competitive its a shame…
Lost the weather war bc my slower charizard mega’d before the faster froslass
Bruh, that’s fuckin stupid
Why does it mega before the faster mon?
So the faster mon gets priority on conflicting field effects. So far the slower mon would always use its ability second, but either the developers for Champions didn't know, or this was an international competitive choice by gamefreak for handling mutually exclusive abilities entering at the same time. Giving the faster pokemon priority does make sense from a balancing perspective when you generally want to reward speed as a stat, but it does go against historic precedent.
@SethAbercrombyI didn't understand, so how exactly does the order of mega evolution actually work? And when do switches happen first or later, is there a pattern?
That’s so booty
A good reminder to go play and support pokemon showdown.
The fact that there's no 6v6 makes me want to cry.
I can't understand how the Pokemon company always seem to try so hard to off itself, yet the fans always try so hard to give them life support.
because we grew up with this franchise and we don't wanna see it collapse under the weight of its stupidity
@elusive_kidney_thief Well, I did, too. But at what point do you stop funding them treating their fan base like this?
@elusive_kidney_thiefnostalgia is one hell of a drug
If the games suck, and you know the games suck, why? Nostalgia isn't even part of it, PLAY THEY GAMES YOU ALREADY OWN. I replay Sapphire occasionally, or like BW1/2. Why do you continue to buy trash when you already have the thing you want?
I’m hugely disappointed by the fact that the only mechanic is Mega. The reveal showed a mega and a tera on the field at the same time. I was genuinely interested in seeing different mechanics clash but this starting point is the bare minimum
I want to destroy a Dynamax mon with a Z-Move!
It was obvious from the start that it was going to be 1 mechanic per format. We start with mega
I have hope that multiple mechanics will eventually *clash* but what I’m worried about is lack of 6v6 singles
They will be added LATER.
People saying this really wanna deal with mega floette AND Tera electric raging bolt at the same time I'm appalled
This is incredibly disappointing.
I stopped playing pokemon almost 2y ago. And I did so because gen 9 just left me with such bad taste in my mouth after playing pokemon since 1999.
And created content since 2011.
I will share every memory with draft league and matches I had with you Hayden and every poketuber that is and has been around.
But these compromise pokemon insist on making in their games.
There are so much possibilities with these games and they just funk the product every time.
I will keep watching what you do Haydun. But I will not coming back when they keep screwing this up!
Haydunn coming out with the truth. Much love
Worse than feeling like a mobile game on the switch is the fact that it feels like a mobile game from 2015 :')
With the monetization of a modern mobile game
it is a mobile game? its coming to mobile and switch games are the only console that fell like mobile
Technically, a mobile game that just came to switch first
@Austinfdpthey mean specifically feels like an old mobile game that was trying to nickel and dime you at every opportunity
The Gamecube and Wii games look and play netter than this.
"You're like a car crash in slow motion. It's like I'm watchin' ya fly through a windshield."
- what it's like to witness every new pokemon game launch since sword and shield and it feels like it gets worse every time somehow
No 6v6 and crazy limited item options is unfortunate.
Annnnd this is why you don't rely on The Pokemon Works (formerly known as ILCA) to make your games.
The fact that we still have the same Pokemon models, textures and animations from 2012/2013 is crazy and telling.
It’s a problem when infamous Pokemon defenders on Twitter can’t even muster a defense
the most defense of this i see is "just wait theyll add more", which just doesnt stack up for me. of course theyre adding more, but this launch is pathetic
Yeah. If Joe Merrick, the serebii shill who says nothing but safe, nice things about Pokémon games says the game is rough, the. You KNOW it’s rough.
@spacey-r6i same energy as "game footage not final"
There is no excuse for not having 6v6 in private battles but yall are insane if you thought it was getting a dedicated queue, the animations are the same runaround weve been getting for like a decade now, and it would have been easier to just move everything over and call it a day so it seems that the limited selection is a deliberate choice to help new players easily learn how these interactions work since all the items in the game are very simple in effect tho they definitely could've included a few more pokemon
Because there's no defense needed, the game is great.
I saw you live stream and felt just as bad as you did about singles. Just ridiculous
This is just a mobile game that is pretending to be a proper pokemon release.
Seems like another game not finished upon release. Feels like the laziest game yet
Oh dont worry they will drip feed pokemon and items behind future bsttle passes.
This smells like shitty gacha for competitive
And this game was made by same developer who made Shining Pearl and Brilliant Diamond. ICLA using unity again on this. Except this time you can't mod it since it's exclusively internet connection play only
Yall say that about every game 🙄
@Tetrabibloyeah bar is low but pokemon finds a way to go lower
As someone who only cares about VGC, its honestly baffling that 6v6 singles is not in the game. I actually think Pokemon Co is braindead for some of the decisions they have made… Literally all they had to do was copy Pokemon Showdown, make a couple of unique changes and slap a pretty coat of paint on it and they would have built a money printer. It legitimately seems like this game was the most free layup of all time and they completely faceplanted onto broken glass😂
Thank you for not being a VGC Supremacist, some people get so rude and nasty towards singles players and I’ve never understood how it affects them in the slightest
Yeah it would have been incredibly simple for this game to become a money printer:
Step 1: Just copy Showdown
Step 2: Monetize shiny Pokemon
Step 3: Make millions
That's literally what Konami did with Master Duel, when popular fan made Yu-Gi-Oh sims were already running around at that time.
People still flocked to the game and it's still successful to this day.
@ghani666 It's tribalism and they do it because they feel threatened by other people enjoying something they don't. They falsely believe that if TPC supported singles 6v6, VGC would somehow be less supported or neglected. In response to this irrational fear, they lash out at the perceived "other" in order to prevent the perceived "other" from growing.
It is the same exact reason for all forms of bigotry. It is a colonialist, capitalistic mindset, and it permeates everything we do. Now that you understand its roots, you will begin to see it in every aspect of life.
@ArkGenesys I'm way ahead of you on that, trust. You'll notice that Singles players are never that way towards VGC players...also an interesting parallel
Ilca never fails to disappoint
So none of us would be mad if you did 6v6 content on Showdown until Winds/Waves comes out..
We feel your pain Haydunn
People would be mad alright, for some reason people just HATE showdown and idk why
@GravityIsFalling It might be tribalism in the "Showdown Vs. Champions" "war"
@GravityIsFalling It just doesn't look as good. I doubt most hate it just less interested
Pokémon champions was like the reveal for Krabby land for SpongeBob 🚮🗑️
Oh, you saw that Twitter post too?
The hard push for VGC compared to singles has always confused the hell out of me considering that the vast majority of the battles in every mainline Pokémon game are single battles.
I mean it makes since, doubles is a lot less chaotic than singles due to stall not being as good, only having 4 pokemom instead of 6, and a lot of great mpves in singles become less powerful in exchange for hitting all targets.
Youd think pokemon would put more emphasis on doubles in the mainline games. To be fair they did start with the blueberry academy focusing on double battles, but they need to put more of that stuff into the game without dlc
@malik.a4125basically this, yeah, plus there's also the fact that long Singles matches are just a chore to watch. Doubles is incredibly more volatile in comparison, so matches rarely last more than 15 turns
@funninoriginal6054 yeah, so to be honest, we need more games like colloseum and XD to prepare thos unexperienced to vgc
Doubles is just more fun, have u seen the combos ppl get up to in doubles?
@Heliosface i think dlubles is cool, buf switching between it and singles, it makes it hard to gst into both pf them
Finally someone said it, very very disappointed.
Its because a lot of the other youtubers are afraid of losing out on perks and sponsorships from their TPC overlords, and need to shill to keep that up.
drama queen
@ladonmccabe IDK, I find it hard to believe that they sponsor even someone like Wolfe tbh. Doesn't seem like their style.
This is literally the entire discourse surrounding this game
When you compare this game to be a mobile game it's actually pure gold all you have to do is wait till June. Then it'll be the first mobile vcg Pokemon game that exists.
AN ORAN BERRYY?!
Oran Berry Blissy???
@samuelmoser7963i have to disappoint you but Blissey is not even in the game 💀
@maryjane_97NOOOOOOOOOOOO 😭😭😭😭😭😭
That shit restores 10 HP!!
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Bro how do they mess this up so badly 😭 just make an official Pokemon showdown and they win. Give people options to customize their avatars with payed cosmetics and there's their money 🤦♂️
They could have just given us an official PS that's free to play, but you have to buy shiny Pokémon to use them. They'd have just been printing themselves money had they done that.
I would be down for an official showdown but with costumes for pokemon like in unite
They can't compete with fan made clients. Flat out. People who want Showdown already have Showdown. They could never include all the features of Showdown.
Look at how Mario Maker goes out of its way to make it impossible re-create the old games.
This should have been a mode attached to all new Pokemon games that they updated over time, it shouldn't be a stand alone client. Not unless they want to attach a game to it. (Dungeon crawling, etc. Which would also cannibalize mainline games. They can't compete against themselves.)
@everythingisterrible8862 they definitely could. they don't
👁️👄👁️
I got hit with Mega Hawlucha, No Guard, Entrainment into Vanilluxe No Guard Sheer Cold
20 years later and Pokemon Battle Revolution kind of looks better than this.
Pokopia has over 300 pokemon, Champions can't even get 200...
Can’t? What do you mean “can’t”? We’ve known for months it’ll start with a limited Dex and we’ll get more over time. “Can’t” he says
@SilverBorderedyeah, can't because it didn't... This is beyond a limited dex. We don't even have all the new megas...
@SilverBorderedtrue, in order to get new pokemon you'll just have to fork cash in order to get the NEW battle pass, or gen 10! Don't forget the DLC for the mythical that's gonna become meta!
On an unrelated note, how does that boot taste?
@funninoriginal6054 I don’t lick boots, this game pisses me off. It’s literally the game I’ve been waiting a decade for, and it released less than half baked. However, it’s dishonest to argue it can’t have more than 200 Pokémon. It literally will. This is not the battle we need to be fighting. The lack of items, animation quality, 6v6 singles, etc. is more important.
@SilverBorderedok, that's fair, sorry for being agressive in my previous comment
No 6v6 is CRIMINAL
its fine
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@med3694 No its not. The people who want to play 6v6 can't. They are forcing people to play vgc which most people dont want to do.
@med3694It’s not. Even the anime used a team of 6v6 to declare Ash the Pokemon champion. I might be overthinking this, but 6v6 is what pokemon based their formula on. Every in game champion battle is 6v6
@Ikki002dude vgc is literally the championship just get good
The answers were literally in front of them, too.
Lack of 6v6 which is Pokémon's bread and butter format is a huge no.
It's the Western singles format. Apparently in Japan they do 3v3 singles.
@vez3834its the normal format in every pokemon game. no matter japan or west. every game lets you fight with 6 poks
@FeYv-Kue Sure, but in game "gyms" and "elite four" is not even close to the level of competitive.
@vez3834it's not about competitive. Champions literally will be the new online mode, gen 10 will not even have an online mode because champions exist. so there should be a 6v6 mode for casuals when doing private matches.
I won’t play it until 6v6 is available
Will not be playing competitive until gen 10 at this point
There were a ton of red flags going into this launch and even I'm disappointed with how below the bar this game came out.
when they waited so long to give an actual release date I knew they were behind in finishing the game
There's no reason for them to have messed this up. Inexcusable. Weird and insulting.
Shills like wolf glicke and reddit are already mustering excuses, pathetic
Well when you realize this game will be put on mobile it does. For a game 2 work on the switch and everybody's phone it's going to have to be a little bit simple. Not like everybody's phone has 16 gb of RAM in it and a CPU and GPU that could handle scarlet and violet. 🤣 Really no different than pokemon unite tbh.
@HenriqueRJchikisomething that you never even tried.😂 I know you people are just bitching to bitch because that's something you people like to do. You don't even have the ability to compare things in your head so why would I believe anything you say.😮
You people like ad hominem fallacies more than you actually like real forms of a logic and it explains people that use fallacies as formal logic aren't logical people.😂 Do you actually have a pure thawed out reasoning behind your statements then you can list them like a smart person if not then keep your ad hominem fallacy to yourself. 🖕
@Hen@HenriqueRJchiki Tbf when you’re as big as Wolfe and you have the whole Pokémon company looking at you, you kinda have to watch what you say.
How did I know that pokemon would fail at this too.
All of the animation budget went into the intro
"Oh boy, I sure am excited to see Hayden play that new pokemon game today!"
reads title and thumbnail
"Oh no!"
7:54 lol 4 of Gourgeist. That's kinda what you do when you need your essay longer. 😂
Battle Revolution was right there as a template.
I changed my Milotic to Marvel Scale, only to realize I can’t put on a damn Flame Orb. Now I don’t want to waste points to change again, so just keeping it in the abyss until an update…
That’s criminal 😢
Points are so easy to grind in this game don't worry about it. I spent my first 20,000 points on just getting my character to look good. And now I already have over a 100k points from just grinding rank. You have to be truly lazy to spend money in this game, stupid possibly, or rich with no cares. 🙌
And it’s literally on the feckin shop icon!
@bmd5558Pretty sure that's a mega stone
I guess try statusing it with a teammate? Lefty Marvel Scale might be fun if you're playing jank
27:48 That makes a lot of sense.
I kept hearing more reasons to boot up og Stadium and Stadium 2. Also hearing that announcer narrating the battles was always fun.
5:40 Exacly, and I hate that people are starting to say that Pokemon 6v6 has never been official? Like wtf
this game is for competetive wich 6v6 is not, you are not the target audience
@user-yo3cg9ev8y Everyone is the target audience my boy, specially when they want money. So, Im sorry to break it to u but u not special 😂
@IIINo_Name no this game is made for competetive period wich 6v6 is not a part off. you crying about it does not change that fact. go back to the main games
Somewhere in the world, a monkey's paw must've activated when I silently hoped the rampardos video wouldn't be the absolute end of your S/V content
This is exactly why I wait before I put all my eggs in a basket because I had a feeling that they change alot of stuff
Easy solution, don't pay for the product until it meets your standards
They're hardly selling anything at all, though... (in this game specifically)
@Necronoxicon1whale what?
@tarfielarchelone2674"whales" are the few people who pour tons of money into games with micro transactions and other in game purchases that game companies are truly looking for. 1000 people may touch the game once and never again, but when they get the whale, that's where they get the big money.
@tarfielarchelone2674with these types of free online/gatcha games most of the sales come from a small percent of players spending absurd amounts of money on it
@emmastarr5242 but it is selling, unlike showdown which is completely free and impossibly more versatile, complete and accessible
So it’s another unfinished Pokémon game, don’t know why I’m surprised
Looks like Showdown has still a bright future after all
Completely agree with your very thought-out review/analysis. For me, besides 6v6, the missing megas and Pokemon there were part of the promotion material is too much.
12:09 “no choice items” and choice scarf is right there, my goat is overlooked 😔😔
😔
an absolute embarassment is exactly what I expected from this pathetic excuse for a company and they still somehow managed to exceed expectations
26:13 At least they remembered Blastoise has two cannons for hydro pump lmao
I think some people need to remember this is also Coming to Mobile Later
This was in s/v
Haydunn is an OG pometuber he has lasted longer than the Nappy and shady era and even rapped with OG Shofu put some respec on tbis mans name
The worst part is I know TPC will take the wrong message from its reception and assume players don’t want a proper showdown clone, then put game freak back into the grind of giving us the exactly same thing we’ve gotten for 30 years instead of trying again and fixing the game’s issues
"Launch feels half baked" "Can't even use half of the new megas from ZA" Gamefreak moment.
This game is also coming to Mobile in June so you have to realize it's going to have to be oversimplified for that to even work and make sense. 😂 This game is already 1.8 gigabytes and it only has 180 Pokemon a couple megas and less than 60 items. If they were to smack everything into this game all at once it would be close to about a 6 to 7 gigabyte game and it would definitely freak people out on mobile. Nintendo has been working on a game to be released to the Play store and the Apple store for over a decade and this is what we're getting it's just been released on switch so they can work off the hardware on the software.
Its not even gamfreak that made this😂
Gamefreak didn't even develop this and they still get the blame, lmao
They had two requirements:
1. Make a good Pokemon game
2. Don't be horrible to the community
We're 0 for 2.
Im still waiting for 3.: C&D pokemon Showdown
So its not the end for SV content
Single player could have been amazing, it would just have to be trainer battles, and they could include tons of trainers and gym leaders and Elite 4 etc from all the games.
got the starter pack, worst 7 bucks i've ever spent
3v3 singles doesn't make any sense how is it any extra work to just make it what it's always been?
They just added their official rulesets VGC and BSS. 😢
Oh man, I LOVED Pokemon Stadium 2. Not only the battles, but the mini-games that would use your own POkemon. And then slightly recolor them depending on their nicknames.
W MEMORY! appreciate that 👍🏿