Gina and her sister Silia are beasts in steel. Gina strip and block buffs for 1 turn un-awakened good ai or awakened bad ai do to third unlocked skill. Silia strip and block buffs for 2 turns awakened. Good ai sense the strip buff block is her 3rd skill. Whichever one of these 2 you have use them even if you have to use them together.
I find it ridicolous that we have to use an unawakaned 3* unit only because com2us is too lazy to fix AI or do some balance changes at the same time of the update.
If she has smart AI, it doesn't matter if you awaken her. And she actually has smart AI which only strips when there is buff. So it not because you don't awaken her, it is because of her AI.
@@erix94 no that's not smart AI what means. FYI c2us buffed megan and bella AI long time ago (if you remember). Its was they only strip on boss's buffs, not on trash wave. This is to help beginner with db10. And dark witch has the same s2 as megan so it should have the same AI.
@@TriNguyen-mp8lz i understand that but what I mean is that probably Gina AI tends to use third skill over second if they are both ready even of the enemy has buffs, to reduce the possibility of this people are not awakening her
Yeah sadly I need to farm more B12s my rune depth is seriously lacking for the new dungeons. I'm even running out of full broken sets. I have Steel done but I can't yet do Punishers.
Another really well done video about how to work this video as mostly F2P and really well explained. What subs are there for Pang if you don't have her?? Could you do Kro or another dps?
hmmm. rushed to check whether i still have the dark mystic witch. ended up i used it for some random 3 star to 4 star. now seeing how it lights up at the monster list but not having it. feelsbad
ADRESS THIS TO COM2US; When you get a monster, who are new - you awaken the moster of course. Why cant com2us make an un-awaken option for 100k mana ect? i cant see any probs with that
@@Tsugame I haven't messed with zinc yet. But gd chiwu/vamp lord ai......horrible. tried those at first 7/10 times gets me wiped bc they won't block or even try to
Just had a run when Zinc went 3x times through his S3 before Loren actually used S2 to remove def buff What a horrendous AI! That is just retarded level of AI!
Do you think Com2uS will make Mystic Witches the next 2A unit? Seems like they could make an event for it and give one or something, as a way to celebrate the new dungeons AND also showcase some interesting unit since they already have decent kits but some lack stats or a tad bit more, like Light or Fire.
That feeling i have her sitting in storage for years, max skilled at 5 star.. But she is awakened.. sadly.. I put her there waiting for 2nd awakening, if she ever get one..
please try Silia. wind mystic witch. make her move after Loren or Fran, when the boss has buffs. see if she has a smart AI as well. her S3 is a better version of Gina's s2. it's a full strip plus 2 turn buff block.
@Jybi Nbltn I've never know that.. ty for the info but for that unit I don't think I'll use her in the sf.. wait.. I forgot that sf is wind.. I'll consider to use her later
@Jybi Nbltn yesterday i did clean S9 and S10, today Even S8 killed me, pung misses, loren misses, Gina misses and Brandia doing third skill on a unit with 5% life ect. It made me so angry. I have tried from friday til monday with teams. Punsiher b9 and b10 toooo Op
but who is now better gina or zinc man always somthing new i already started and made an zinc do i need to change it up or is he fine man. everyone uses someone else
IDK why this team hasn’t gotten a video yet but Verdehille, Eirgir, Fran, Loren, Hwa is a great turn cycling, boss locking team that handles Eirgirs stupid AI. Plus it’s elemental advantage so try it out.
for steelfortress a tip: My Team is Chiwu lead, fran loren spectre kro. 1;30-1:36. Dont have gina^^ will try to replace chiwu with her as soon as i get her.
I think that too but with more it's definitely safer and it shouldn't be to hard. Also I feel like that at least the monsters in the new b12 stages have so much more resistance. My Loren has over 70% acc and her def break or atk slow is resistatet so much. But maybe that's just my feeling.
What about ignore damage reduction effects? the snipers can do a lot of damage, and so can dark knifey army boi. Raok for team up with snipes for S1 ignore dmg reduction effects and could clear quickly? Double Carcano, Raok, Fran, (loren, verde, 2nd raok) would be great!? I don't have them built, but could you check that out?
most speed team are depends highly on cooldown management, that's why clearing trash wave with only 1 skill is important (like the ex julie lushen or such) so if carcano doesn't have s3 at the start of the boss stage it will fail miserably because the boss can stun and no beneficial block means the stun chance will always exist even increase making the fail rate higher so it's not worth, that doesn't consider fran derping which further increase the fail rate.
Help me understand the peng because i just dont understand why shes there. If you bring loren, the boss never takes a turn unless it has 2+ benefitial effects and the right tower moves, so if the boss isnt moving you dont need to have more than 1 turn of effect block. then sure she also pseudo strips.. but then you could take a stripper if you needed that or another damage dealer... wouldnt it be better to use for example pungbaek to clear the waves faster? Right now im using Dark lord, raoq, loren fran and pungbaek, the only time it fails is if lord AI fails, so i am planning on using Zinc instead because of the reliability its running in 1:00-1:30 and fails becuase of ai and garbage runes
I don't have pan xD Is it possible to use elsharion instead? I mean he can steal the defense Buff after, he breaks the shield for more safe and consistent runs?
You can use almost every DD at her place, Pang is just nice because she also elongates the buffblock in case the boss gets a turn. I guess Kro or Raoq are good options.
tfw epic 7's upcoming 2a equivalent specialty was the worst 3* like in the game, Pearlhorizon, and they adjusted her AI to use her S2 first to sleep then her S3 to hit the opponent with the highest attack lol... Com2US hurts my soul. I wonder how awful it is to work as a junior software dev there.
@@nija6143 yeah she does, but she's a water unit. So if you used her, she would be targeted first and probably be killed quickly since the steel fortress is all wind.
You're sorta right. Gina's 1 turn block beneficial effect is a 3 turn cooldown. Silia's 2 turn block beneficial effect is a 4 turn cooldown. What would tip me over is the defense break though, since it is an aoe, it's a good wave breaker. Yes loren has a defense break, but its a single target
Wind witch is better on paper, but awful in reality. I used her cuz she was my only buff blocker. Her s2 is 50% chance ti def break( misses mostly) and she uses s3 when she wants it. It can be off cd for 3 turns before she uses it on boss aka awful AI
@@marinovanderzalm8205 Gina's 2nd skill (2 turn cd, 1 turn block + AI uses it when enemy is buffed) is definitely a lot better with Pang cuz of the extend debuff/remove buffs compared to Silia's 3 turn cd which can not proc if on an unlucky cooldown
my gina has 81 acc and 10 more acc on skill 2 cuz of AF, she FUCKING MISSES ALOT. When i had 58 acc more balance. Plz make com2us understand there need to be a security number. Whats the use of farming and pushing higher stats, when it does not work in the logical aspect. Yes it RNG but i have talked with other people, how can lower stats be better?
Why all RUclips dudes make so many steel fortress videos?? It's soo easy, the other dungeon is waaaay harder and it's only half as videos as this dungeon 😵
the 7 dislikes are the people who have her awakened, or fed her.
yep :D
Awakened her. But stiill put thumbs up ;)
Gina and her sister Silia are beasts in steel.
Gina strip and block buffs for 1 turn un-awakened good ai or awakened bad ai do to third unlocked skill.
Silia strip and block buffs for 2 turns awakened. Good ai sense the strip buff block is her 3rd skill.
Whichever one of these 2 you have use them even if you have to use them together.
I find it ridicolous that we have to use an unawakaned 3* unit only because com2us is too lazy to fix AI or do some balance changes at the same time of the update.
nope thats using brain :D
If she has smart AI, it doesn't matter if you awaken her. And she actually has smart AI which only strips when there is buff. So it not because you don't awaken her, it is because of her AI.
@@TriNguyen-mp8lz probably her ai prefer her third to her second, they don't awaken her for this reason
@@erix94 no that's not smart AI what means. FYI c2us buffed megan and bella AI long time ago (if you remember). Its was they only strip on boss's buffs, not on trash wave. This is to help beginner with db10. And dark witch has the same s2 as megan so it should have the same AI.
@@TriNguyen-mp8lz i understand that but what I mean is that probably Gina AI tends to use third skill over second if they are both ready even of the enemy has buffs, to reduce the possibility of this people are not awakening her
Loving the ending music as always!
thank you so much for this video. finally somebody tells everything how it works and why is it working that way. u helped me a lot with this video
The thumbnail shows the awakened name "Giana", but the stars are yellow...just bothers me enough to notice
Yeah sadly I need to farm more B12s my rune depth is seriously lacking for the new dungeons. I'm even running out of full broken sets. I have Steel done but I can't yet do Punishers.
I'm really happy that I kept her in storage for years
or else I wouldn't have a mon that blocks benef effects at steel fortress....
Ty so much. Helps out tons. Now to get this team rollin
Thanks for the tips, reaaly helped.
Another really well done video about how to work this video as mostly F2P and really well explained. What subs are there for Pang if you don't have her?? Could you do Kro or another dps?
hmmm. rushed to check whether i still have the dark mystic witch. ended up i used it for some random 3 star to 4 star. now seeing how it lights up at the monster list but not having it. feelsbad
ADRESS THIS TO COM2US; When you get a monster, who are new - you awaken the moster of course. Why cant com2us make an un-awaken option for 100k mana ect?
i cant see any probs with that
Could silia (wind witch) be a good option instead of her?
When ai in summoners war is so bad that you have to bring an unawakened unit to make the ai more consistent. Smh
Well technically it is more consistent. Considering a recent patch where everyone was screaming for s3 priority.
@@jasonluther3567 well they still mostly use first skill + Zink also doesnt do his job well
@@Tsugame I haven't messed with zinc yet. But gd chiwu/vamp lord ai......horrible. tried those at first 7/10 times gets me wiped bc they won't block or even try to
@@Tsugame using desired skill asap is better than not using at all
Just had a run when Zinc went 3x times through his S3 before Loren actually used S2 to remove def buff
What a horrendous AI! That is just retarded level of AI!
I like how Gina gets her spot :-) interesting content! But what do you think about using pungbeak for that dungeon? @IslandGrown
Do you think Com2uS will make Mystic Witches the next 2A unit? Seems like they could make an event for it and give one or something, as a way to celebrate the new dungeons AND also showcase some interesting unit since they already have decent kits but some lack stats or a tad bit more, like Light or Fire.
Well whadda you know...
tks for putting this together
That feeling i have her sitting in storage for years, max skilled at 5 star..
But she is awakened.. sadly..
I put her there waiting for 2nd awakening, if she ever get one..
Yup...Same boat here
Got 3 gina's over the years.
Kept 1 awakened lvl 35.
Other went to food
Can someone advise me what should I get from the LD nat 3 event Gina or zinc for SB10?
Wouldn’t it be much better for argen to go last so that Peng can strip the buffs off the boss so the boss dosent have the % dmg reduction per buff??
Can I replace Argen for Zync and have the same sucess rate?
What other units could work in the place of pang?
same results with zinc and erigar ? im building that two
please try Silia. wind mystic witch. make her move after Loren or Fran, when the boss has buffs. see if she has a smart AI as well. her S3 is a better version of Gina's s2. it's a full strip plus 2 turn buff block.
Silia does work, but her S3 is on a longer CD than Gina's so potentially less consistent.
Silia will use s3 whenever it is up which makes it more risky
suddenly theres 2a units that have beneficial effects block
That's what I'm thinking as well for next 2a
@Jybi Nbltn I've never know that.. ty for the info but for that unit I don't think I'll use her in the sf..
wait.. I forgot that sf is wind.. I'll consider to use her later
It won’t matter if the AI is as dumb as the current blockers like chiwu and dark vamp lord
Jybi Nbltn you are thinking of kacey the water pixie the fire pixie detonates continuous damage
@@JesseJames-zk7eu if its the water element means a no for the sf
Maybe 2A Witches is coming for the 2 turns Beneficial block! 👀
nice accuracy on gina
Try to check out the Fire Lizard. i didn't try yet but i think he might work fine!
when i get the damage runes and pirate food; i want to try Brig the light pirate captain i got from HoH
glad that i got cadiz recently, he strips ,brands and block benfe..
I missed the Pang HoH - who would you recommend as a good alternative?
i don't think there's any other unit that has pang's passive
Im using, nangrim, raok, zinc, loren, fran. Works ok for me. Still have dmg on nangrim even zinc's skill is in cd.
No Gina for me yet. Zinc is working well for me so far.
I changed my Gina's 91 accu. to 69 and now she's a Deadly Stripper she strip all the time
My 58 acc Gina did Better Than 81 Gina. Rng xD
@Jybi Nbltn yesterday i did clean S9 and S10, today Even S8 killed me, pung misses, loren misses, Gina misses and Brandia doing third skill on a unit with 5% life ect. It made me so angry. I have tried from friday til monday with teams. Punsiher b9 and b10 toooo Op
69 is a guud number, no wonder
@@lexlee1302 so tekashi 69 is having a god number xD - no wonder he still alive lol
nice mate :D thats real deal :D
but who is now better gina or zinc man always somthing new i already started and made an zinc do i need to change it up or is he fine man. everyone uses someone else
vio zinc never failed for me
99% succes rate
IDK why this team hasn’t gotten a video yet but Verdehille, Eirgir, Fran, Loren, Hwa is a great turn cycling, boss locking team that handles Eirgirs stupid AI. Plus it’s elemental advantage so try it out.
that team ppl tried first ... it dosnt work good
Ex7ra Sounds idk it works fine for me, maybe a rune quality issue.
for steelfortress a tip: My Team is Chiwu lead, fran loren spectre kro. 1;30-1:36. Dont have gina^^ will try to replace chiwu with her as soon as i get her.
I use fran kro raoq loren and light pirat captian and it work just fine. Only 1:30 runs or lower
Dude I was wondering about this.
Hasn’t it been datamined that, because of the bosses resistances, you only need 24% accuracy max??? (This is excluding the mid boss)
yea i’m wondering that too
Yes the boss has 39 res
@@olaolaola167 oh shit, thats it? Expected him to have a higher resist xD
I think that too but with more it's definitely safer and it shouldn't be to hard. Also I feel like that at least the monsters in the new b12 stages have so much more resistance. My Loren has over 70% acc and her def break or atk slow is resistatet so much.
But maybe that's just my feeling.
Tije N yeah the b12’s do need like 70+ accuracy but the cap for these new dungeons is 24%
What about ignore damage reduction effects? the snipers can do a lot of damage, and so can dark knifey army boi. Raok for team up with snipes for S1 ignore dmg reduction effects and could clear quickly? Double Carcano, Raok, Fran, (loren, verde, 2nd raok) would be great!? I don't have them built, but could you check that out?
most speed team are depends highly on cooldown management, that's why clearing trash wave with only 1 skill is important (like the ex julie lushen or such) so if carcano doesn't have s3 at the start of the boss stage it will fail miserably because the boss can stun and no beneficial block means the stun chance will always exist even increase making the fail rate higher so it's not worth, that doesn't consider fran derping which further increase the fail rate.
dosnt work, they have passive that reduce dmg based on buffs
Help me understand the peng because i just dont understand why shes there.
If you bring loren, the boss never takes a turn unless it has 2+ benefitial effects and the right tower moves, so if the boss isnt moving you dont need to have more than 1 turn of effect block. then sure she also pseudo strips.. but then you could take a stripper if you needed that or another damage dealer... wouldnt it be better to use for example pungbaek to clear the waves faster?
Right now im using Dark lord, raoq, loren fran and pungbaek, the only time it fails is if lord AI fails, so i am planning on using Zinc instead because of the reliability
its running in 1:00-1:30 and fails becuase of ai and garbage runes
Pang auto strips the buffs to prevent you from getting stunned and makes the run faster
cuz loren slows the runs, u dont need to reduce the adb of the boss .... u need to strip his shield as fast as possible, and pang does that every hit
whats a replacement for argen? and does gina have to be 6 star?
Gina can be 5 star, I've seen them
I don't have pan xD Is it possible to use elsharion instead? I mean he can steal the defense Buff after, he breaks the shield for more safe and consistent runs?
You can use almost every DD at her place, Pang is just nice because she also elongates the buffblock in case the boss gets a turn. I guess Kro or Raoq are good options.
Eigar, fran, loren, pungbeak, raoq. Works fine
I 6* my Gina for fun long ago but it causes her to use her 3rd skill more sadly
The wind demon can one shot gb12 now because of how high the hp is on the side crystals
Wish you would have shown the runes and if they were fully skilled up. You showed some, but not all of them.
I love having a 100% accuracy unit that fails landing beneficial effect block
Smug Senpai the dungeon has an accuracy cap... u don’t need that much
@@zorua_rk7945 I mean its on left over runes. Soo it got to 100 lol
activation rate :)
You finally got a Giana
tfw epic 7's upcoming 2a equivalent specialty was the worst 3* like in the game, Pearlhorizon, and they adjusted her AI to use her S2 first to sleep then her S3 to hit the opponent with the highest attack lol... Com2US hurts my soul. I wonder how awful it is to work as a junior software dev there.
And no one believed me when I typed in streams and game chat that gina was the best buff blocker on update day.
doesnt megan have the same skills
@@nija6143 yes but she is water
@@nija6143 yeah she does, but she's a water unit. So if you used her, she would be targeted first and probably be killed quickly since the steel fortress is all wind.
@@Sfw_Hana ah thanks didnt think about it :)
@@nija6143 Yes but she has element disadvantage in SF10
Yay lucky i just got her in my last light and dark as a fake 4 ...
What about zinc?
Is it still possible to use an awakened Gina? Mine was woke. Lol
Does anyone know the accuracy cap in sf10 ?
boss has 39 res so you only need 24 acc
I saw giana I I was ready for anything cuz I have her
If pang goes 4, argen's damage output will be better
New 2A will have Block Beneficial for sure!!!!!!!
im using wind boom instead of pang since she can do the same thing
not same thing, she cant reduce buffs and cant increase debuffs
Cassie ignores all damage reduction effects great for steel fortress
c2us just have to adjust the AI, because it's why we don't use the good mobs for this dungeon
10:55 They just have to buff the skill 2 of Gina, with priority when an ennemy have a buff. It's That simple.
It alr has that
Dungeon AI is exact this for Gina. But not in other content like pvp or scenario.
@@Triggerboy78 Yes i know, but not when she is awaken, that's why she is played unawaken.
Does anyone know if Megan could work as well?
no shes water
Gina wind sister is good too
Megan or gina ? Wich better?
gina
Try pung fran loren kro raoq 55 sec 100 safe with f2p rune
Guess I need a 80% giana
You play Valorant now?! Stream it sometime?
We do :)
What makes Gina better than Megan? They have the same first 2 skills?
The boss is wind type. Megan is water
different element
me build chiwu, speed CD attack, S2 always derp, RIP AI C2U
Guys have quick look on 3rd skill of Silia , wind mystic witch better than Ginas 2ndand last tonger
You're sorta right. Gina's 1 turn block beneficial effect is a 3 turn cooldown. Silia's 2 turn block beneficial effect is a 4 turn cooldown. What would tip me over is the defense break though, since it is an aoe, it's a good wave breaker. Yes loren has a defense break, but its a single target
yeah. I wonder why they don't try her. idk if she has smart AI tho. but yea, she looks better than Gina on paper and she's easier to get
Wind witch is better on paper, but awful in reality. I used her cuz she was my only buff blocker. Her s2 is 50% chance ti def break( misses mostly) and she uses s3 when she wants it. It can be off cd for 3 turns before she uses it on boss aka awful AI
@@marinovanderzalm8205 Gina's 2nd skill (2 turn cd, 1 turn block + AI uses it when enemy is buffed) is definitely a lot better with Pang cuz of the extend debuff/remove buffs compared to Silia's 3 turn cd which can not proc if on an unlucky cooldown
@@robbierivera1715 ah yes, true, alright, fair arguments
How bout we build her for com2us to hire an programmer
that guy on reddit few days back showed gina ai is 100% on steel fortress. Looks like youtubers are finally paying attention to his team.
Bruh I awakened her and fed my other Ginas before the update...
RIP i never found Gina =(
Is there a farmable way of getting Gina?
No. You could get her from the 4 star and ld nat 3 summoning event tho
@@Julius798 okay I see. Well, I've chosen Miho, before the event released, no regret 😆
Yeah it has nothing to do with God Tier runes on those units, it's all about blocking beneficial effects.
Should i awekend her???
no
I awakend her, fucking reflex. Ran 20 rounds, lost 2. Best time 57s
Giana? U mean Gina hahahah biglove island and community ♡
80% of giana...
@@Adam-cn9tn KKKKK XD
he mean 80% giana
I called her day one, and you told me she’s crap! Lol Islandgrown-1,000,000,000 vs. FortAavalanche- 1
Or use laika and dark cow girl to ignore SF shield buff 😉
Dark cow girl on vio as well laika
Doesn't work, boss gets unmitigated damage reduction when it has buffs.
u cant, boss have passive that reduce dmg taken based on buffs
Lol u made jewbagel make awakened one, now he gotta make another one
Fuck LD scrolls man 4 years 2 Lightnings and I'm even missing the 3*... No dark witch for me yay
hopefully com2us realizes how embarrassing it it is we need an UNAWAKENED unit to complete this dungeon and that an ld nat5 isnt reliable lol...
using brain to beat the game :) simple
We reach the point, that is needed use a awakened 3* monster, cuz most of Nat 5* (included a free one) AI sucks.. well done com2us
It was almost ever like this. Usually all pve content is easily done with max nat4. nat5 units are more for pvp.
or using brain to beat game mechanics :)
my gina has 81 acc and 10 more acc on skill 2 cuz of AF, she FUCKING MISSES ALOT. When i had 58 acc more balance. Plz make com2us understand there need to be a security number. Whats the use of farming and pushing higher stats, when it does not work in the logical aspect. Yes it RNG but i have talked with other people, how can lower stats be better?
feels bad that the AI is so bad u need to not awaken a monster to use it better
or don’t awaken megan, same exact thing and easier to get
and wrong element ...
Why is there Giana in the title? clickbait? 😅
Stream joke, refer to thumbnail :P
@@IslandGrown11 too bad I missed the stram
To think i almost feed her again
Nice team
You found? YOU??
Dr. Coconut
f2p as fuck.. 80% this runnes are better than mine. meh.. :D
valorant is fun.
first :)
Why all RUclips dudes make so many steel fortress videos?? It's soo easy, the other dungeon is waaaay harder and it's only half as videos as this dungeon 😵
They need to fix their AI. It's trash.