Joel, would you be willing to discuss how you aligned your religion with your orientation? I suspect that would be ever so helpful to those who are struggling with being gay when they want to remain faithful to God.
Been a Joel subscriber, and happy to now follow you Niki! Yes, there has been major change in LGBTQ acceptance, but unfortunately some things remain the same, like self acceptance; repressive societies, and as we know, draconian laws of imprisonment and death. I came out in the late 1960's, when in my twenties and before Stonewall. I'm 77, and married to my same sex spouse. We met almost 50 yrs ago! So best to you Niki on your long journey of pride!
Ngl Im so excited while watching this collab! I didn’t realize these two were actually friends. I’ve always got the same energy from these two, so this will be interesting.
You know, I have watched youtube videos for years but have never commented on any......until today. You lads remind me so much of my own life and past in so many ways, each in your own way. My own coming out was over 30 years ago in the late 80's. I was in my early 20's. I had my own set of fears and concerns like most but even then the backlash was not severe and for the most part my fears were unwarranted. I had no personal role models to follow or educate me and though family and friends had to adjust it all turned out just fine. I became comfortable with who I was surprisingly quickly. I wanted to meet other GLBT folks but didn't know how to go about it so I put an ad in my local paper's personals to start a local GLBT group. 14 people showed up at that first meeting and the paper wanted to do a full article on it but never did. It grew to about 35 members over the next few years and many of us even marched in the San Francisco pride parade one year. It fizzled out after a few years however. As for how the two of you remind me of my past: Joel, I too am a Christian. I share many of your views in these regards. Back then a lot more people regarded gays as sex addicts and perverts. But I had much more traditional values. I believed that sharing myself in such ways was more sacred and didn't believe in 'sleeping around'. A gift not to be given to just anyone and not to be treated lightly. Hence, I have only ever gone 'all the way' with two other guys my entire life. And Niki, that is where you remind me of my past since the only two guys I had ever been with were both from two different sets of identical twins where one identified as gay, the other straight, though I didn't even know they had identical twins until after the fact. In my 54 years I have seen so many changes where the subject has evolved. And I know that I have played my part in dispelling some of the stereotypes and changing many people's perspectives. The circle continues and now the two of you are helping to do the same. I have no regrets and neither should the two of you. Continue being true to yourselves and claim your right to personal pride the same as anyone else regardless of gender, race, religious belief, sexual orientation, etc. Let your light shine for ALL that you are, of which your sexuality is just a part. Sorry the post is so lengthy....I just felt the need to share. God Bless. :-)
I really enjoyed this video. I adore Joel and it was nice to see him interact with someone I've never seen before. All the best to you! Jean in California 😊
okay i was waiting til the end to properly comment but this was so interesting to listen to, loved hearing both of your stories and feelings about it during corona💘
New subscriber and I am always happy to meet other "family". Been watching Joel & Lia for a long time and my Gaydar picked up on Joel right away. You both are nice looking guys, and it is such a pleasure to watch this video. Pride hugs from Connecticut (USA).
We (the straight community) still love you). We (the Christian community still love you). God loves you! I have always felt that it is none of my business who you “sleep” with. You are a beautiful positive person! Your parents have good reason to be proud of you! P.S. Jaz is cute 😉
This is so emotional, I have watched you n sammy for so so many years and I’ve been closeted and of course I never knew you were gay but having you guys there through all my formative years and having you come out has really been inspirational and has meant the absolute most to me - honestly so much love to you both x
Congratulations! As a hetero man my "gaydar" would identify you both as gay with a reflection as wide as full squadron of B-52 bombers in about 1.2 seconds. Okay, I've been wrong once with a friend who is happily married to a lady and has a superficial flamboyance, effeminate mannerisms, open female-like emotions, and high voice by nature. I actually discouraged us becoming friends for my false suspicions but I am more informed, tolerant today. I don't think most "coming out" events actually surprise most heterosexual people. especially friends and relatives. "it's about time" as Joan Rivers used to say. Being out is sometimes an "open secret" turned another way. I wish you both the best for love and happiness. Your courage is admired.
My grandson is gay, my nephew is non-binary as is 1 of our granddaughters, a niece says she’s a lesbian at this time. So being proud and caring for each and everyone’s them, all I can do is support them every way possible and every day. Thinking about it I’m a bit of a rebel anyways, since I’m a white American married to an African American man, who had 2 daughters. We all just need to let people live their life’s. If we are more excepting of others, there would be less hate in the world.
This is so cool...... Subscribed on this channel and I know Joel from being Subscribed to the Joel and Lia channel. You guys got to be careful. Never going to be able to convince rest of world that all Brits don’t know each other.
Aww this was lovely to see, as I've been following you two thru your individual journeys. 💕 This was also meant to be my 1st pride as a finally out gay girl... But it's okay, there has been plenty to protest about and I have kept busy supporting and fighting! Happy Pride! 🌈💖🏳️🌈
Thanks so much Tia! I hope you feel like we're all in the same boat and riding the storm out together when it comes to our first "out" the year. So interesting to hear your thoughts! 🏳️🌈
Niki and Sammy Definitely feeling the solidarity and shared spirit during our Pride Inside! 💞 In addition to educating myself and being vocal about Black Lives Matter and protecting trans lives, I've appreciated the various streamed Pride events and inspiring talks online (Global Pride!). Same as you, reading ALL the gay books! Listening to all the gay podcasts! Etc etc... Honestly, it's been a pretty gay month! 🤗🏳️🌈 Definitely one I'll remember.
I really enjoyed Joel's coming out video because it took away my negative stereotypes of homosexual men. It was a tender, emotional, sweet video. For the benefit of others the video title is "Answering That Question".
Sure felt like I was sitting down with friends and letting the conversation roll....this was a great video. Fan of each of you. 🖐 Happy Pride month 🏳️🌈 ~Ken (usa)
I’m so proud of you both! 🥺 I remember when I came out that weight lifted off my shoulders was something I doubt I’ll ever experience it again. Now I walk around with flying my bisexual flag. These videos are definitely important, I spent so long struggling with my sexuality and repressing it, sometimes you need to hear another persons story to make sense of your own. 🏳️🌈🌈
Growing up if I were singing along to a love song sung by a girl about a boy I would often change the male noun or pronoun to a female one because I didn't feel comfortable voicing it out loud, even if I were by myself. For example, something like "I'm in love with him/the boy" would become "I'm in love with her/the girl" etc. It's a good feeling when you're no longer ashamed to sing/say what you truly feel! ❤
Now, that was a great vlog gentleman! Growing up in the 1960s such a chat was not possible (and poss illegal too). A lad then could not ‘come out’ and any liaison with a gay friend was very, very secret. So called ‘gaydar’ had to work but very carefully. I can remember my 1st gay friend and everything was very tentative for safety reasons. Young lads today are very lucky in that the barriers whilst still there and worrying are much lower these days - thank goodness! Good luck to you and all young men trying to come out. Be safe and take your time to choose when you come out and to whom. 💓
My christian parents didn't believe me thought it was a phase and then my mom said I love you but your going to hell. That was 2002 when I was 17. I'm 35 now and my mom doesn't remember ever saying that. time changes things
You both should watch the movie "Pride" which was about London's Pride in 1985 and the support of the gay community in London for the Welsh coal miners who were on strike. And the bond that developed between those two communities.
Happy pride 😘🌈to ya both gorgeous boys!! This is fantastic to hear Keep being you. Being gay is no shame of hiding our sexuality. I came out to my mum and my brother last December it wasn’t very straight forward it took some time to understand as I talked and explain myself more. But now my mum understand now who I am. I came out out on fb after the next day. Love being part of the rainbow 🌈 and I am no shame of hiding my sexuality. To younger self Don’t ashamed of yourself. Thank ya Niki and Joel xo 🌈 So glad to be me and be happy with my gay authentic self.
Hey boys this was a interesting and heartwarming video. Plus you look dam cute LOL. I came out to my parents and some extended family three years ago and I was 30. Everyone’s journey is different and I am just still finding out about the gay community. Just like you boys I’m not a really party kind of guy. I rather chat over a coffee about a gay romance novel LOL🤗🌈❤️
Y'all are just so adorable!! Joel, I've mentioned that you remind me of my son ..... On this subject, my sons boyfriend, James, asked me one day we were all sitting around the kitchen table at their house, he asked me, Michele, when did Billy tell you he was gay? I sat there a moment, looked my son in his eyes, smiling, (understand this, they've been in a relationship at that time for about 6 years, and I knew) anyway, smiling and looking into my sons eyes, I say, well James, and i'm giggling now, I say, he's never told me he's gay. James said, OH. James walks over to the refrigerator, as he goes by, he traces his hand across my sons shoulders, my son gets up and walks to the refrigerator as well. Im still sitting at the table with their friend Ramon, (also gay) were busy talking and smiling. I think Ramon and I were making deviled eggs, anyway I digress, Billy comes back to the table, sits down, he says, Mom. Umm, I'm gay. James was watching from the other side of the kitchen... Ramon and I burst out laughing!!! James was introduced to me as mom, this is my boyfriend, James. See, he just never came "OUT" but we all knew. I guess, James just wanted him to have a coming out story. So there. I've shared my son's story, I hope it helps someone. Btw, it turns out that PRIDE is a lot of fun, they go every year. Well not this year (covid 19) but other than this year they go every year. We're on year 8 now. Love is love is love ❤💙💚💛🧡💜
San Francisco, CA is famous for having lots and lots of gay couples casually walking down the path holding hands at the public park and everyone else being positive or indifferent to that sight.
If you really want to be a part of the "Pride as a protest" group, look up "Reclaim Pride". There is a UK contingent that you can get in touch with to be an activist.
Joel - I subscribe to your channel; and I'm older and was in the closet way longer. When I first saw you on Joel and Lia my gaydar went off big time. Believe me more people knew or surmmised than you might imagine.
My nephew who is 19 recently came out not to long ago, and I'm so sad and disapointed I really wanted to March in the pride parade with him and his mom! I remember when he said he was gay and he didnt know how people would react, i told him, I love him to death and i will be there to hold his hand and March in the pride parade with him! So sad it isn't happening this year! There's always next June! ❤❤
I can't help thinking that it's easier for straight people - growing up, they don't have to come out! They don't have to have that awkward conversation with their friends and family - "Hey, just so you know, I like the other sex... so, yeah, there's that..."
A good work of gay fiction that you all might want to check out is the Tales of the City series of nine novels based in San Francisco from 1976 to 2012, by Armistead Maupin. It takes you from the heady (npi) days of gay freedom to the AIDS crisis to the rise of the USA's Christian right to the Burning Man festival at the end of President Obama's first term. I can't recommend it strongly enough!
PS if you guys are into gay fiction I have a few titles you might enjoy if you can find them ..the first is The Front Runner.. it is a 1974 novel by Patricia Nell Warren. A love story between a running coach and his star athlete, The Front Runner is noted for being the first contemporary gay novel to achieve mainstream commercial and critical success. they were going to make a movie out of it with Paul Newman and I think it was Jan-Michael Vincent to play the other lead character ..if you are interested I can provide you with other titles
This was such a fun chat!
I love you you are an inspiration
Thanks for being a legend and talking for like 2 hours! Also send me some more tiktoks.
Joel, would you be willing to discuss how you aligned your religion with your orientation? I suspect that would be ever so helpful to those who are struggling with being gay when they want to remain faithful to God.
So wonderful!! You are loved and so supported! Happy Pride 🏳️🌈💗
So glad you two both did this. Great role models both of you. Thank you.
“I’m not cultured enough to use words” -Nikki
Me too Nikki me too 😂😂😂😂😂
😅😅 I'm proving it to myself more than anyone else
Your first Pride isn't ruined, it's just different. Don't let anything bring you down!
True true true true! It's just evolved to meet the challenge 🏳️🌈💪
Been a Joel subscriber, and happy to now follow you Niki! Yes, there has been major change in LGBTQ acceptance, but unfortunately some things remain the same, like self acceptance; repressive societies, and as we know, draconian laws of imprisonment and death. I came out in the late 1960's, when in my twenties and before Stonewall. I'm 77, and married to my same sex spouse. We met almost 50 yrs ago! So best to you Niki on your long journey of pride!
Happy pride guys. I remember watching Joel get his dog vlogs a while back, Glad you had each other through all this!
Ah thank you! Happy pride to you too! X
Ngl Im so excited while watching this collab! I didn’t realize these two were actually friends. I’ve always got the same energy from these two, so this will be interesting.
Thank you so much for sharing this!
Brilliantly informative video! Thank you! 💝
You know, I have watched youtube videos for years but have never commented on any......until today. You lads remind me so much of my own life and past in so many ways, each in your own way. My own coming out was over 30 years ago in the late 80's. I was in my early 20's. I had my own set of fears and concerns like most but even then the backlash was not severe and for the most part my fears were unwarranted. I had no personal role models to follow or educate me and though family and friends had to adjust it all turned out just fine. I became comfortable with who I was surprisingly quickly. I wanted to meet other GLBT folks but didn't know how to go about it so I put an ad in my local paper's personals to start a local GLBT group. 14 people showed up at that first meeting and the paper wanted to do a full article on it but never did. It grew to about 35 members over the next few years and many of us even marched in the San Francisco pride parade one year. It fizzled out after a few years however.
As for how the two of you remind me of my past: Joel, I too am a Christian. I share many of your views in these regards. Back then a lot more people regarded gays as sex addicts and perverts. But I had much more traditional values. I believed that sharing myself in such ways was more sacred and didn't believe in 'sleeping around'. A gift not to be given to just anyone and not to be treated lightly. Hence, I have only ever gone 'all the way' with two other guys my entire life. And Niki, that is where you remind me of my past since the only two guys I had ever been with were both from two different sets of identical twins where one identified as gay, the other straight, though I didn't even know they had identical twins until after the fact.
In my 54 years I have seen so many changes where the subject has evolved. And I know that I have played my part in dispelling some of the stereotypes and changing many people's perspectives. The circle continues and now the two of you are helping to do the same. I have no regrets and neither should the two of you. Continue being true to yourselves and claim your right to personal pride the same as anyone else regardless of gender, race, religious belief, sexual orientation, etc. Let your light shine for ALL that you are, of which your sexuality is just a part. Sorry the post is so lengthy....I just felt the need to share. God Bless. :-)
Joel!! Legend♥️
I love the video because I am a subscriber of Joel's channel I love you
I really enjoyed this video. I adore Joel and it was nice to see him interact with someone I've never seen before. All the best to you! Jean in California 😊
Hey Jean! Thanks so much for your lovely comment, Joel is very lucky to have such a nice community!
okay i was waiting til the end to properly comment but this was so interesting to listen to, loved hearing both of your stories and feelings about it during corona💘
Thanks so much Gem that's so kind! I always value your thoughts 🙈🏳️🌈💜
This was awesome! Found this from Joel's channel, and now I think I need to watch more of your content!
Oh hey! Welcome! 🥳
Me too 👋
Same here. Cool conversation!
New subscriber and I am always happy to meet other "family". Been watching Joel & Lia for a long time and my Gaydar picked up on Joel right away. You both are nice looking guys, and it is such a pleasure to watch this video. Pride hugs from Connecticut (USA).
We (the straight community) still love you). We (the Christian community still love you). God loves you! I have always felt that it is none of my business who you “sleep” with. You are a beautiful positive person! Your parents have good reason to be proud of you!
P.S. Jaz is cute 😉
i guess Im quite off topic but do anyone know of a good site to stream newly released tv shows online ?
@Kylen Junior I use Flixzone. You can find it by googling :)
@Rocco Michael Yup, I've been watching on flixzone for since april myself =)
This is so emotional, I have watched you n sammy for so so many years and I’ve been closeted and of course I never knew you were gay but having you guys there through all my formative years and having you come out has really been inspirational and has meant the absolute most to me - honestly so much love to you both x
Thank you so much, this means so much! I really appreciate your comment 🏳️🌈 x
Congratulations! As a hetero man my "gaydar" would identify you both as gay with a reflection as wide as full squadron of B-52 bombers in about 1.2 seconds. Okay, I've been wrong once with a friend who is happily married to a lady and has a superficial flamboyance, effeminate mannerisms, open female-like emotions, and high voice by nature. I actually discouraged us becoming friends for my false suspicions but I am more informed, tolerant today. I don't think most "coming out" events actually surprise most heterosexual people. especially friends and relatives. "it's about time" as Joan Rivers used to say. Being out is sometimes an "open secret" turned another way. I wish you both the best for love and happiness. Your courage is admired.
Iconicccc! Love you both
My grandson is gay, my nephew is non-binary as is 1 of our granddaughters, a niece says she’s a lesbian at this time. So being proud and caring for each and everyone’s them, all I can do is support them every way possible and every day. Thinking about it I’m a bit of a rebel anyways, since I’m a white American married to an African American man, who had 2 daughters. We all just need to let people live their life’s. If we are more excepting of others, there would be less hate in the world.
happy pride you two. Your stories are amazing to listen to❤️🌈
Thanks so much Steph you angel
What a nice , mature conversation. Nice background music. Relaxing.
Dating apps have been... fruitful 😂😂 love you two, loved this video 🌈 Happy first pride. So proud of you both x
🙈 haha thanks Lauren! That's so kind!! I hope you're staying safe! X🏳️🌈
This is so cool......
Subscribed on this channel and I know Joel from being Subscribed to the Joel and Lia channel.
You guys got to be careful. Never going to be able to convince rest of world that all Brits don’t know each other.
Aww this was lovely to see, as I've been following you two thru your individual journeys. 💕 This was also meant to be my 1st pride as a finally out gay girl... But it's okay, there has been plenty to protest about and I have kept busy supporting and fighting! Happy Pride! 🌈💖🏳️🌈
Thanks so much Tia! I hope you feel like we're all in the same boat and riding the storm out together when it comes to our first "out" the year. So interesting to hear your thoughts! 🏳️🌈
Niki and Sammy Definitely feeling the solidarity and shared spirit during our Pride Inside! 💞 In addition to educating myself and being vocal about Black Lives Matter and protecting trans lives, I've appreciated the various streamed Pride events and inspiring talks online (Global Pride!). Same as you, reading ALL the gay books! Listening to all the gay podcasts! Etc etc... Honestly, it's been a pretty gay month! 🤗🏳️🌈 Definitely one I'll remember.
2 hot guys having a virtual Kiki and I’m living for it! Love you guys 💕
I'll take it 😎 haha thanks Kevin
I really enjoyed Joel's coming out video because it took away my negative stereotypes of homosexual men. It was a tender, emotional, sweet video. For the benefit of others the video title is "Answering That Question".
Sure felt like I was sitting down with friends and letting the conversation roll....this was a great video. Fan of each of you. 🖐
Happy Pride month 🏳️🌈
~Ken (usa)
Thanks so much Ken! Happy pride to you!
I’m so proud of you both! 🥺 I remember when I came out that weight lifted off my shoulders was something I doubt I’ll ever experience it again. Now I walk around with flying my bisexual flag. These videos are definitely important, I spent so long struggling with my sexuality and repressing it, sometimes you need to hear another persons story to make sense of your own. 🏳️🌈🌈
Growing up if I were singing along to a love song sung by a girl about a boy I would often change the male noun or pronoun to a female one because I didn't feel comfortable voicing it out loud, even if I were by myself. For example, something like "I'm in love with him/the boy" would become "I'm in love with her/the girl" etc. It's a good feeling when you're no longer ashamed to sing/say what you truly feel! ❤
Now, that was a great vlog gentleman! Growing up in the 1960s such a chat was not possible (and poss illegal too). A lad then could not ‘come out’ and any liaison with a gay friend was very, very secret. So called ‘gaydar’ had to work but very carefully. I can remember my 1st gay friend and everything was very tentative for safety reasons.
Young lads today are very lucky in that the barriers whilst still there and worrying are much lower these days - thank goodness! Good luck to you and all young men trying to come out. Be safe and take your time to choose when you come out and to whom. 💓
Ah yes. Back in the day of the " confirmed bachelor" I remember.
Happy PRIDE! Well done 🏳️🌈
You too! Thank you!
Great you two. Great.
My christian parents didn't believe me thought it was a phase and then my mom said I love you but your going to hell. That was 2002 when I was 17. I'm 35 now and my mom doesn't remember ever saying that. time changes things
Oh love your shirt, Niki! Where did you get that from?
😘❤💛💚💙💜😊lovely ,cheers guys 🕊PEACE 💜LOVE AND UNITY 🌏WILLPOWER 🔱
You both should watch the movie "Pride" which was about London's Pride in 1985 and the support of the gay community in London for the Welsh coal miners who were on strike. And the bond that developed between those two communities.
I'm so glad that you are friends
👼🏻
What a pleasant, polite chat between friends
Happy pride 😘🌈to ya both gorgeous boys!! This is fantastic to hear Keep being you. Being gay is no shame of hiding our sexuality. I came out to my mum and my brother last December it wasn’t very straight forward it took some time to understand as I talked and explain myself more. But now my mum understand now who I am. I came out out on fb after the next day. Love being part of the rainbow 🌈 and I am no shame of hiding my sexuality. To younger self Don’t ashamed of yourself. Thank ya Niki and Joel xo 🌈 So glad to be me and be happy with my gay authentic self.
Hey boys this was a interesting and heartwarming video. Plus you look dam cute LOL. I came out to my parents and some extended family three years ago and I was 30. Everyone’s journey is different and I am just still finding out about the gay community. Just like you boys I’m not a really party kind of guy. I rather chat over a coffee about a gay romance novel LOL🤗🌈❤️
Congratulations, you two.
I didn't even know you guys were so close.
Y'all are just so adorable!! Joel, I've mentioned that you remind me of my son .....
On this subject, my sons boyfriend, James, asked me one day we were all sitting around the kitchen table at their house, he asked me, Michele, when did Billy tell you he was gay? I sat there a moment, looked my son in his eyes, smiling, (understand this, they've been in a relationship at that time for about 6 years, and I knew) anyway, smiling and looking into my sons eyes, I say, well James, and i'm giggling now, I say, he's never told me he's gay. James said, OH. James walks over to the refrigerator, as he goes by, he traces his hand across my sons shoulders, my son gets up and walks to the refrigerator as well. Im still sitting at the table with their friend Ramon, (also gay) were busy talking and smiling. I think Ramon and I were making deviled eggs, anyway I digress, Billy comes back to the table, sits down, he says, Mom. Umm, I'm gay. James was watching from the other side of the kitchen... Ramon and I burst out laughing!!! James was introduced to me as mom, this is my boyfriend, James.
See, he just never came "OUT" but we all knew. I guess, James just wanted him to have a coming out story. So there. I've shared my son's story, I hope it helps someone. Btw, it turns out that PRIDE is a lot of fun, they go every year. Well not this year
(covid 19) but other than this year they go every year. We're on year 8 now.
Love is love is love
❤💙💚💛🧡💜
Very happy for you both. Be your best, most true and honest selves. Be you 😄 You are amazing 🙂 ^5 🌈
Thank you so much! You're so sweet 🥰
Mom and dad always know... always... denial is one thing else however.... big line to cross.... a very hard thing to do.....
The first time I watched a video with Joel and Lia and thought he was gay. Good for him that he's now out.
San Francisco, CA is famous for having lots and lots of gay couples casually walking down the path holding hands at the public park and everyone else being positive or indifferent to that sight.
If you really want to be a part of the "Pride as a protest" group, look up "Reclaim Pride". There is a UK contingent that you can get in touch with to be an activist.
(Shaking my head I’ll never understand why it”# such a big deal. To me, being gay is not front page news, it’s just who you are.
Joel - I subscribe to your channel; and I'm older and was in the closet way longer. When I first saw you on Joel and Lia my gaydar went off big time. Believe me more people knew or surmmised than you might imagine.
My nephew who is 19 recently came out not to long ago, and I'm so sad and disapointed I really wanted to March in the pride parade with him and his mom! I remember when he said he was gay and he didnt know how people would react, i told him, I love him to death and i will be there to hold his hand and March in the pride parade with him! So sad it isn't happening this year! There's always next June! ❤❤
I can't help thinking that it's easier for straight people - growing up, they don't have to come out! They don't have to have that awkward conversation with their friends and family - "Hey, just so you know, I like the other sex... so, yeah, there's that..."
Wait, is this your other twin? Triplet? 😅
Interesting didn't mention Joel and Lia
Love the chat.you an your brother who gay also are you an him close an you have someone to talk with. Love you guys ❤🌈joe Louisiana stay safe
Joel hadn't come out yet? The first video I saw him with Lea I assumed he was out.
💘💘💘
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A good work of gay fiction that you all might want to check out is the Tales of the City series of nine novels based in San Francisco from 1976 to 2012, by Armistead Maupin. It takes you from the heady (npi) days of gay freedom to the AIDS crisis to the rise of the USA's Christian right to the Burning Man festival at the end of President Obama's first term. I can't recommend it strongly enough!
Thanks so much for the recommendation!! I am going to check it out 😊
I’m wondering if they dated or are dating.
I don't know if they dated ever, but Joel has a boyfriend that's not this guy. He's in videos on Joel's channel sometimes
Why do you have to come out to youtube? Doesn't that affect your views and subscriptions??
Nice chat...
Joel - why your reluctance to tell your parents? Hadn't your brother who is gay told your parents?
hello there
But Joel, why wasn't it easier for you to come out to your parents with a brother who is also gay?
I’m not a religious person but just wanted to point out that at no point did Jesus mention homosexuality in the red letters.
Joel, God created you gay!
PS if you guys are into gay fiction I have a few titles you might enjoy if you can find them ..the first is The Front Runner.. it is a 1974 novel by Patricia Nell Warren. A love story between a running coach and his star athlete, The Front Runner is noted for being the first contemporary gay novel to achieve mainstream commercial and critical success. they were going to make a movie out of it with Paul Newman and I think it was Jan-Michael Vincent to play the other lead character ..if you are interested I can provide you with other titles
wait how did you guys not know that you were both gay ?? I knew the moment I first saw Joel and now Niki