@@derdreckigespitzkopf5176 The document for the f117 are still considered top secret or secret enough that no documents of it have been declassified by the USAF
I think the F-117's best use case will be (unsurprisingly) air sim. If its stealth is accurately modeled, it'll be very very easy to farm bases and ground targets.
You’d be better off using the bombs against AI vehicle targets if you want to make actual progress. The bombs can probably only kill 2/3 of a bases health at a time
@@ICECAPPEDSKY in simulation you can do ground and sea targets if the AA ia acknowledge your stealth and don't enter god aim mod without using the radar would be very useful since the simulation AA ia is freaky and it's better if they don't see you unless they are always seeing 🤖👁️ 1 battleship gives 2 times more money than a base atleast my friend was farming ships and getting a lot of sl
I can’t wait for people to say how bad the f117 was in real life just because it’s bad in war thunder because war thunder is the most historically accurate experience of all time
I'm already enjoying all the people talking about how it's terrible because it can't do certain tasks. It was designed very specifically to sneak in and hit one or two important targets. It is historically pretty good at that. It's not the airframe's fault Warthunder doesn't support that mission.
@@Halinspark irl it would also typically have things like EF-111 Ravens and other ewar aircraft doing jamming in the area to further reduce its chance of being detected
Funny thing about the F-117, the pilot doesn’t actually have control of the bomb bay, the bay opens and closes automatically when the pilot releases the bombs so it’s only open for a couple of seconds to minimize the bomb bay’s radar signature
@@AnsonArnettFrom the interview between the SAM operator and the pilot that got shot down, the operator mention that what he did wasnt just due to his skill but also, luck.
@Layd36 we spend almost $1 trillion a year on our military, but don't have Healthcare, trains, or homes for our homeless. We have to believe it's not a total waste. I mean most Americans don't even consider vietnam a loss.
The “F” designation was part of the U.S.’s misinformation strategy during development and prior to declassifying the plane’s existence. It’s an interesting story.
@@JosiasPiraPretty sure it was the treaty w the USSR limiting the amount of bombers both countries could have.. This made it a “fighter” and bypassed that
what, that a modern radar can lock the oldest stealth aircraft,that first flew in 1981, the only stealth aircraft to have been shot down and the only stealth aircraft that has been retired from combat service due to its age?, or ""Russian bias""
@@farawayseal well. the pantsirs performance in ukraine has been terrible to say the least. they lost 30% of their fleet without scoring a single air intercept. Russia tends of exaggerate their capabilities whilst America under state its capabilities. the foxbat is a prime example.
well the pantsir is crap irl. but it is a way higher br than the f117. its still dev server so it will change. it will have a dramatically lower ir signature and rcs. if this is used in the right way with no air spawn campers it should be decent at hitting tanks and turning and not burning away lol
I’ve joked in the past that a MiG-15 could take down a F-117 cause people argued that implementing stealth would be OP. We’re gonna actually see that happening now.
The thing about the F-117 is that it fucking sucks because of the lack of AAMs and guns, if you implemented something like the F-22, F-35, Su-57 etc, even with guns only they’d be fucking dumb as shit to deal with
I know its warthunder, but honestly i feel like IRL if you got into direct fight(close range) with a dogfigter as stealth fighter, something has gone seriously wrong. I feel like they are meant to be used BVR, which will be probably almost impossible in war thunder
iirc in the dev stream they talked about how this isn't as stealthy as in real life for sake of balance but i don't understand why they didn't make the stealth better and put it into a higher br like 9.3 or 9.7
In the Pantsir and Tungy tests, you werent using IRST. If you switch off search radar, the track radar will still work, but you have to manually aim track radar at the target. In IRST, you dont get any velocity and range information.
From the dev stream, apparently stealth works best when in head on towards the radar source, making the F15's radar for example only able to lock at like 200 meters I think.
How the hell are they gonna test Stealth at 8.7 BR against jets that have no radars? It's an oxymoron. Put this thing at 11.0 vs late 70's jets that have SARMs and rework your bloody Team Deathmatch into something meaningful that can make use of all the technology you're modeling in the game. They are dropping dumb bombs at 12.0 in order to grind despite having GBU's! Make high value targets that require precision weapons to be destroyed because they are protected by SAM's. Make Stealth Bombers being able to bypass SAM's with their Stealth. Make it so the players on the enemy team have to guess or split to cover both targets.
it has also no missles, it would be not fair, from another side plane with guided bombs isn't fair for 8.7 ground vehicles, spaa will be in truble rip hovet, rip m163 their radras already are almost sueless yet. they will be detroyed from few kolometres while not being able to lock on target at all.
Exactly, they need to entirely revise how the game is played. People find aircraft easy enough in ground rb. Remove spotting from air realistic. Make radars useful beyond lobbing missiles. Change the objectives. Enduring confrontation is such a fun game mode. Except it’s only in air sim. Why is it not in air rb??? Gaijin just doesn’t get it
i feel like this plane is more or less just an excuse for the public to test the stealth for gaijin, its not really meant to be actually viable in a match
That’s annoying that you can’t lock or see the air craft on the radar yet that directional indicator still pops up. The strela is going to bully this thing.
@19DESERTFOX91 Its stealth from the front and rear because its made to go to a target, attack, and leave Underneath due to the flat surface its not as stealth, which is a design flaw due to the necessity of... yknow making it fly And the sides, the tail is a huge giveaway
Not a War Thunder player but I'd recommend looking at how the F-117 is actually used. When going Wild Weasel (Against anti-air) it would fly low and use ground cover to help obscure, and pop up over target as close in as possible. Flying these things up in the middle of the air during the day makes you super visible and isn't optimal use case. I'm sure there's in-game considerations but this would be your knife in the night type fighter, even in Yugoslavia back in '99 NATO didn't use these in high risk areas during the day because if you can see it you can shoot it. It was overconfidence and using the same air corridors for bombing runs that led to the famous shootdown (at least that's the US assessment - talent goes a long way regardless of old Soviet anti-air). If they model the plane somewhat accurately it should be hard to lock radar front on, but sides, rear (somewhat) and from bottom should show up easier. IR should only lock if you're below, or side on or anywhere behind as the plane is designed to minimize front on IR. If you're able to fly the F-117 in dev against these launchers I'd love to see how you manage!
4:32 it's not just interesting; it's supposed to work like that lol; remember the nighthawk has all those angles to deflect radar waves (it was built in the time before radar absorbent materials existed) so if any of the deflected waves happened to head back towards the tracking radar; you would be able to re-acquire it again after a period
@@randomowykolegazinternetu doesn't make it unable to be tracked by radar, just means it is a lot harder. And if it gets radar from the wrong angle, yes it will get locked onto and taken out. Stealth doesn't mean absolutely cannot be locked onto. Maybe you should stop with the nonsense bullshitting
5:10 You were testing if you could lock with IRST but did not turn IRST on. You turned the search radar off, but since IRST was not toggled on you're still locking with the tracking radar. If you have an IRST lock it will say "TRK IR" instead of just "TRK" on the radar scope. Not that it really matters, the IRST can still track the F-117 just fine in my own testing. ~10km or farther range. But just something to note if you do future testing that this is how the IRST tracking works.
you did not do an IRST lock but a camera lock, when the IRST is active it is displayed "IRST" next to the radar icon but yes the weak point of futive aircraft is indeed an IRST or camera lock if they are enough close
@@DawgIVLife Just like SIDAM's optical lock behaves like an IR lock, and the UV tracking mistrals also behaves like IR, I don't think Gaijin is actually simulating optical lock they're just using random neglected checkboxes (':
@@micaheiber1419 The SIDAM's optical lock _definitely_ is TV, it practically cannot lock onto an aircraft at night. And assuming you meant TV guided mistral, there is no TV guided mistral, they're both IR.
@@2KDrop I speak of both. The Mistrals are badly modelled, they are not simple IR missiles. They were multi-spectrum missiles, yet Gaijin never modelled their systems in whole (because it would require them to model UV etc). The TV guidance on the gun is also horrible, they took the IR code and then added some checkboxes, as I already said. i.e. doesn't work at night. But it also retains the weakness of IR i.e. unable to lock onto cooler objects at a distance (helicopters; and just like the Mistrals, which shouldn't noticeably have this weakness because of its OTHER sensor capabilities), can't see through even the thinnest water vapour (despite light going through it fine; again, this shouldn't even be affecting the Mistral so much, because UV goes through clouds in a similar fashion to visible light), and better in rear aspect vs jets. This vehicle is butchered by both of its main systems being effectively unmodelled (more correctly, cloned from tech that isn't comparable).
Gaijin making this a squadron vehicle continues to show their reluctance to fix their game at all to facilitate any gameplay outside of fighter death balls.
honestly i think this thing will have a place in sim battles at 9.0+ where radar starts actually becoming a serious thing, itll be useful for penetrating through enemy territory and removing HVTs. i know not many people play sim sadly, i honestly prefer it to IL-2 i just find WT sim to be fun and unique experience
It’s better if it’s going directly at the radar source so the angled radar reflective panel things can work better. IRL it could get locked but immediately looses lock so some leaked documents would be out after a week in guessing
I am quite sure that the stealth should be made better, since its the one thing that the plane has going for it. The actual stealth and all that is classified, so balance should be more important than realism.
it seems i was correct in my estimation that the stealth capabilties of this thing were based off that one time a serbian SAM sight got blessed with nothing shy of a miracle in a microsecond happenstance and managed to shoot one down. up next the B1 when added to warthunder will always fly towards the ground because of that one time one crashed
For how the stealth technology works in real life I think it is very well represented in the game, it is not invisibility is simply a reduction of the profile, front is the most optimal way being the side and back returning a larger radar signal, and when you open the bomb doors loses its stealth capability as all stealth aircraft, in real life they shot down 2 f-117 for that
@@christopherchartier3017yeah he fibs, the F-117 in game is worse cause even extremely powerful ground based radar systems in Serbia and Iran couldn’t find them. They were only found in Austria because another plane was right next to them
I think its kinda funny that he has them flying so high up when it would be right on the deck too low for the different types of locks that work on it. By the time you know its there the bomb is already on its way and the best you can hope for is your missile kills it before you die or before it is again behind the trees and terrain
if stealth is modeled properly, it will on the depend on the angle the plane is relative to the radar, if the f117 is completely belly up to you, its gonna have a big radar signature, alot of stealth planes have RAM, but they dont just disappear off of radar, youll be able to lock it from below and above- but from the side, front and back at shallow angles you will struggle. it looks like it was modeled properly to me in all fairness
and IR locking isnt hindered at all, idk if there were measures installed on the plane to reduce the engines heat signature- id assume so, but id guess you can still lock it with anything heatseeking
I’ll be honest the stealth isn’t looking stealth. Especially when IRST can lock it before it even gets in range for bombing and the Pantsir radar just effortlessly finds it at 15km.
Yeah we cant have something that is capable of making russia look bad in this game can we? I am 90% sure gaijinn has made some sort of deal with russian goverment for propaganda Since many russians plays wt and they propably think that this game is 100% realistic and when they see how "fighting" the western stuff is easy and doable they might actually be envouraged to enlist I mean like TOW2B nerf? made it unusable vs russian tanks. HE, HESH dont work vs T-series tank roofs but work fine vs western tanks Pantsir and the only weapon system that outranges it is given to russia Now this nighthawk "stealth" that really does not hide from anything
remember its work in progress tho, also in real life is not 100% stealth, sadly the F-117 is not very much advanced like the F-22 in stealth capacity. Irl it was hard to catch him at the distance but 10km is very close to avoid strong radars specially with that complete flat belly which was admitted irl to be a challenge in order to make this thing stealth but also able to fly. We will see how it turns out when the update is done and finished
@@Asghaad15 KM is actually very close. It’s entirely possible an old radar system could see it. The F-117s stealth tech is EXTREMELY primitive compared to newer stealth planes like the F-22 F-35 or B-21
@@jon-michaelsampson1120 According to who...? The F-117 has an rcs WAY below almost anything, and almost identical to that of the F35. It also has much better ir signature from rear aspect than the F22 or F35. It was literally designed for stealth OVER EVERYTHING ELSE. 80's isnt the 50's. The F22 is literally a 90's plane. There is no way a pantsir shoud be able to see a 0.001 m2 rcs plane from 15 km. Fuck no.
@@jon-michaelsampson1120 15km on radar with MAXIMUM range of 20km ? ... no and again its 1980s stealth against 1980s radar tech ... it was literally designed against radars like these but at MUCH more larger and powerful platforms - PESA radars were THE radar systems you would have on fixed and naval instalations in 1970s and Pantsir uses one designed in 1980s on small underpowered vehicle designed as SHORAD platform not comparable to dedicated large AA systems that have 10-20 times the tracking range of the limited short range radar on that thing ...
What I think will happen. What I know about the capabilities is that the Aircraft has. Pros: - Low Heat signatures overall so Radar & Visible spectrum would be Near-impossible to see. - Primarily was used during Night Operations. Due to the Stealth capabilities during the traversal - Daytime strikes will be pointless and useless. - The Engine is also impressive. The Exhaust is a specialty type where the Engine cools the airflow out the rear as a feature... as mentioned prior Heat-seekers and SPAA will struggle to acquire - target or the Missile will have the possibility of Missing it's target completely. - But, They also don't know that the Aircraft has ECM: Meaning that it will disrupt the missile improving evasive manuvers to be made. - Stealth Capabilities are being tested. This means that we are likely going to experience a Semi-Realistic version of Stealth Capabilities. - This is a pre-warmup to the B-2 Bomber. Which is going to carry a lot more bombs and be next in line if the Stealth is successful (So let it be for now.) - I also theorize that the Aircrafts speed is going to improve and physics are going to take a pinnacle role in War Thunder. - The Aircraft supports Early ECM technology in an aircraft: Rendering the Aircraft invisible on radar & Assault based weapons (Except bullets) - Your Name will not appear and there will be no Contrail. Cons: - Well as you can see the F-117 Nighthawk is within its name. "Night Hawk" Primarily this Aircraft is best suited during night operations rather day. - The aircraft is slow. (But the upside that it's really good at climbing and reaching maximum altitude in a short time.) - The Aircraft obviously has no guns. So, This Aircraft will require a new specific Specialty target for players to attack that is exclusive to Stealth Bombers. (Such as major Airfields or VIP Targets) - The Aircraft is hilariously easy to see in the sky as you are basically a flying Dorito. SPAA will be able to spot you if your too low... (Similar to Keen Vision you won't see it until you are too late) - It's a bummer that it's a squadron vehicle and requires being in a squadron to use... - As mentioned before your name & Contrail will not be visible... (except for the Rear & Sides of the Aircraft) Conclusion: I think the vehicle is going to look amazing and be part of War Thunder... Though I personally have yet to earn my way to the jets due to the long ass grind... But that is what the journey gets you. I'm skeptical about how they will proceed with this Aircraft as players already assume it's useless. But I heavily disagree... Emulating Stealth capabilities with no hands-on experience is extremely difficult and the technicality of how it works is not explainable... So Gaijin will likely find benefit by adding a new game-mode or version of base destroy. in GRB: There is a set of targets that they must protect at all cost. Which planes & Tanks will be involved in a GRB Game-Mode... If not, Well Gaijin likes to Restrict gamers from enjoying their game to the fullest or progress to early. (By the time this post is done) The Sixth Generation fighters would have already released by now.
With how slow and clunky it is plus the terrible climb rate, I think 8.7 might actually be a good GRB BR for it. Sure, radars won't pick it up but they'll be 10x more likely to shoot it down with cannons than with missiles. We've had similar issues with other planes in the past.
I'd love to slowly see a rank 9 evolving w stealth jets. Would be kinda fun to fly with the f-22, f-35 and su-57 for example. And also, Could you add the f/a-18 at one point? It'd be the one jet that's missing in rank 8
The radar cross section would be smaller when observed by ground radar if the aircraft is flying level. The moment the F117 turns, the radar-incident angles are changed and it may appear on radar. Observed from above the F117's belly, the radar should ping it when pretty close.
5:11 the pantsir can still use and lock with its tracking radar, not only IRST. And its tracking radar (i think the only one in the entire game) doesn't give off RWR warnings. The F117 doesn't even have a chance.
people when they learn stealth jet doesnt mean invisible to radar but harder to spot from "certain" aspects allowing them to close the distance to target more so than a normal jet would, off course radar will see it when you're looking at the flat fucking bottom of the thing..or really any aspect that isnt front/back/and limited for the sides
The more I think about it, you can still bomb a pantsir from 13+km with JDAM if you’re high enough and fast enough. Of course it’ll take some time with the F-117 but it’s possible I think. Not bad
the reason the F-4C can lock the F117 from behind is because stealth aircraft aren't meant to deflect from behind. The F-35 and F-22 would easily be locked from a rear angle. Once you understand how RCS works (radar cross section) and how stealth aircraft are created, it makes sense. They are most stealthiest when directly looking at them, the more side angle you see the large the RCS gets and therefore the easier it is to detect and lock a stealth aircraft. from directly behind a stealth craft, the RCS is nearly at its largest if you disregard a direct vew from underneath or above.
Stealth is not total immunity, “stealth” planes are just hard enough to spot/lock to get within striking range and dip. For example: I’ve heard (not entirely sure of the accuracy) from a few different sources that even the f35 can be detected by modern radars at roughly 15km… but it can strike from much farther and run away.
It could theoretically be armed with a pair of AIM-9s. There is speculation there was a plan to use F-117s to sneak up on and down the Soviet A-50 Mainstay.
They can't even get the squadron number and squadron patch right. The tails show the 9th Fighter Squadron, but the patch on the side is of the 8th Fighter Squadron.
DLSS was made in junction with Raytracing as Raytracing hemorrhages performance, so for basically everyone without an RTX 3090 or better, you'll also have that turned on for shooter-worthy FPS. They've allegedly altered DLSS in War Thunder for the release of Raytracing, and you can even see new modes for it in the settings dropdown menu. DLSS has been awful on a technical scale in War Thunder for the longest time (I don't know what iteration it uses), especially since in games like War Thunder, DLSS smudges or otherwise blurs the fine details you need at a moment's notice.
It does not have frame generation so its a older one but yea I don't know how even on low ray tracing settings I go from 250FPS to 14fps on a test drive runway.
I think it would fit EC Naval if they ever get to the br range the F-117 is on. With 2 bombs in Air SB it isn't gonna do any better. It will feel nice but just that.
You need to manually switch lock mode to IRST with either a dedicated button or quick menu (Y), closing search radar just closes search radar, that's it, you still can use track one on most spaa (not on all because gaijin logic or smth)
They did say if you are lined up with it facing you that it’s easy to lock but if the plane itself is at an angle then it’s harder so maybe test that theory
I’m going to be once again unaffected by this as an Italian main, I’m gonna continue using my SIDAM with its optical tracking so I can lock anything without them knowing I’m locked.
the worst and a really old stealth aircraft can be locked on from the side easily? it’s kinda like it was meant to be detected from the side rather than the front
don’t believe me? the front is angled in a way that RADAR waves fails to bounce back to what transmitted them meanwhile the bottom and sides are relatively smooth and flat which makes it easier to lock on from those angles during the collapse of Yugoslavia, the (former, now Serbian) Yugoslav Army was able to shoot down a F-117 due to getting a lock as the bottom returned a signature after the bomb bays opened and gave the aircraft a more distinct shape
Contrast Target is light colored = sleeps Target has dark skin = Its time to know where I am at all times. My self now knowing this because my self now knows where I'm isn't!
RCS is different by the each wavelengths, so this makes sense basically. Stealth design is not effective to all wavelength. You only choose some to most effective for.
The stealth is to do with radar cross section, so if it's flying pretty much above you giving you a massive flat surface for your radar to see, you'll get a radar ping, and IRST will have very little issue with locking it compared to how well they usually function. Neat little gimmic vehicle that has interesting IRL history and looks great but is basically useless.
massive FLAT surface would act as a mirror giving you next to no return ... what you need for radar is flat surface thats 90 degrees to the radar to get as much wave reflection BACK to you as possible ... flat surface angled like this would reflect everything AWAY from the radar giving zero return from that angle all the surface area you would get signature on would be edges of wings that are also angled away from the radar ... from that angle the F-117 should be all but invisible to that garbage PESA radar ...
It is my understanding that DCS uses a single value for RCS, based on what you showed here it looks like WT uses different RCS values dependent upon aspect and possibly by radar band. if so this is TONS better than the supposed "best flight sim on the market". EDIT - PS, now imagine trying to find this thing at night !
I like the idea of adding these type of vehicles out of the tec-tree line so it doesnt disrupt the grind. I hope it this encourages gaijin to add the Foxbat since its a little of the same as this thing
I feel like incorporating a stealth fighter in a video game such as war thunder, where radar and missiles are key to winning, is really detrimental to the game, especially since most of the countries in war thunder have never developed a good stealth fighter
tbh the best use for the f117 would be ground rb specifically at night, you have to rely on visuals to be able to lock it reliably and its well, the *night* hawk
When it comes to air to air combat your gonna kill it anyway if you find it so having a lock or not kinda doesn’t matter much if you ask me, like it’s so slow compared to most similar tier aircraft it’s gonna be easy for guns, and can’t fight back
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The F-117 is from 1981, it's already retired and theres nothing classified about it anymore.
@@derdreckigespitzkopf5176 absolutely not true, the us airforce is not going to declassify stealth tech even if it’s from the 80s
@@derdreckigespitzkopf5176 The document for the f117 are still considered top secret or secret enough that no documents of it have been declassified by the USAF
@@derdreckigespitzkopf5176 The f117 still has top secret documents even though it's from the 80's
I think the F-117's best use case will be (unsurprisingly) air sim. If its stealth is accurately modeled, it'll be very very easy to farm bases and ground targets.
Playing for fun sure but even with 2 2000lbs that not a whole lot of useful actions that it can do.
@@DawgIVLife that's why it's a squadron vehicule, it's useless
You’d be better off using the bombs against AI vehicle targets if you want to make actual progress. The bombs can probably only kill 2/3 of a bases health at a time
@@ICECAPPEDSKY yeah it's 1/3 for a 2000lb , i know it because i've played 1500h with the a10
@@ICECAPPEDSKY in simulation you can do ground and sea targets if the AA ia acknowledge your stealth and don't enter god aim mod without using the radar would be very useful since the simulation AA ia is freaky and it's better if they don't see you unless they are always seeing 🤖👁️
1 battleship gives 2 times more money than a base atleast my friend was farming ships and getting a lot of sl
I can’t wait for people to say how bad the f117 was in real life just because it’s bad in war thunder because war thunder is the most historically accurate experience of all time
War thunder is game for Russia kiddos that cant cope that a huge majority of their real life russian military vehicles sucks.
I'm already enjoying all the people talking about how it's terrible because it can't do certain tasks.
It was designed very specifically to sneak in and hit one or two important targets. It is historically pretty good at that. It's not the airframe's fault Warthunder doesn't support that mission.
@@averageyoutubeenjoyer9000 nah, its the game to boost us fanboys ego and earn tons of money from them
@@Halinspark irl it would also typically have things like EF-111 Ravens and other ewar aircraft doing jamming in the area to further reduce its chance of being detected
@peposad2588 that why russia has 90 premiums?
Funny thing about the F-117, the pilot doesn’t actually have control of the bomb bay, the bay opens and closes automatically when the pilot releases the bombs so it’s only open for a couple of seconds to minimize the bomb bay’s radar signature
The bomb bay is open for less than a second. the 1999 shoot down was 1 in a million.
@@AnsonArnettFrom the interview between the SAM operator and the pilot that got shot down, the operator mention that what he did wasnt just due to his skill but also, luck.
@@trevornorfolk3103 typical western propaganda rhetoric continuing to act like the f-117 stealth bomber is actually stealth 😂
@@AnsonArnett lol "one in a million" yet was detected by radar signatures 😂
@Layd36 we spend almost $1 trillion a year on our military, but don't have Healthcare, trains, or homes for our homeless. We have to believe it's not a total waste. I mean most Americans don't even consider vietnam a loss.
The “F” designation was part of the U.S.’s misinformation strategy during development and prior to declassifying the plane’s existence. It’s an interesting story.
No, mostly to convince pilots to fly it because pilots prefer flying fighters instead of bombers/attackers, hence the "F" designation
@@JosiasPiraretard.
@@JosiasPirano. It's a mix of things
@@thesupreme8062 true there is never just one cause to something
@@JosiasPiraPretty sure it was the treaty w the USSR limiting the amount of bombers both countries could have.. This made it a “fighter” and bypassed that
Of course the Pansir can lock the F-117 from the front from 13 kilometers. Kinda ridiculous if you ask me.
what, that a modern radar can lock the oldest stealth aircraft,that first flew in 1981, the only stealth aircraft to have been shot down and the only stealth aircraft that has been retired from combat service due to its age?, or ""Russian bias""
@@farawayseal well. the pantsirs performance in ukraine has been terrible to say the least. they lost 30% of their fleet without scoring a single air intercept. Russia tends of exaggerate their capabilities whilst America under state its capabilities. the foxbat is a prime example.
@@farawayseallet em know 😂
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well the pantsir is crap irl. but it is a way higher br than the f117. its still dev server so it will change. it will have a dramatically lower ir signature and rcs. if this is used in the right way with no air spawn campers it should be decent at hitting tanks and turning and not burning away lol
I’ve joked in the past that a MiG-15 could take down a F-117 cause people argued that implementing stealth would be OP. We’re gonna actually see that happening now.
with how this game implements spotting on distance (with huge black dot) i think it would be easy to shoot this thing with anything
The thing about the F-117 is that it fucking sucks because of the lack of AAMs and guns, if you implemented something like the F-22, F-35, Su-57 etc, even with guns only they’d be fucking dumb as shit to deal with
@@sgtzack612 its maneuverability in real life wasn't very good at all, even with guns and Aim-9s it would still be lackluster
If youre f22 why would you dogfight. Unless toure retarded
I know its warthunder, but honestly i feel like IRL if you got into direct fight(close range) with a dogfigter as stealth fighter, something has gone seriously wrong. I feel like they are meant to be used BVR, which will be probably almost impossible in war thunder
Stealth doesn’t mean invisible to radar. Stealth means that you can get closer to the radar before it can see you.
Us kiddies cant believe this, for them stealh means= invisible
iirc in the dev stream they talked about how this isn't as stealthy as in real life for sake of balance but i don't understand why they didn't make the stealth better and put it into a higher br like 9.3 or 9.7
@@SirusFIN it is already 10.0, 9.7 would be LOWER
The F-117 should have alot better stealth than it currently has
@@FPV_Kingfisher hes 100% talking about air rb and not ground
In the Pantsir and Tungy tests, you werent using IRST.
If you switch off search radar, the track radar will still work, but you have to manually aim track radar at the target.
In IRST, you dont get any velocity and range information.
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yeah that was a frustrating watch
What do you expect? He doesn't even have keybinds for the radar controls.
play with imp chaparral againts helicopter in 3-2km away
YOU LearnHOW STEALTH works
Yea it’s crazy when the helicopters have 6km missiles but you only lock them at 3km on a good day.
@@DawgIVLifeplease cover the super hind!
Try the Ozelot can’t lock a heli past 2.5Km 😭
Does the ozelot still have the misfire bugg? I had to shoot 6 times before the rocket actually flew on bad days
@@viruscookie4440 yes
From the dev stream, apparently stealth works best when in head on towards the radar source, making the F15's radar for example only able to lock at like 200 meters I think.
They should've used eastern aircraft instead, the f117's main adversarial aircraft
@llaammeerr2506 they'd never lock it then. They use PESA radars which have no hope of detecting even low observable craft.
@@Someguy12796 bro thinks PESA is caveman tech and forgot about IRST 😂
@aghressor bro forgot that irst isnt a magic antistealth wand🤣
@@Someguy12796 PESA fits russian air force better than AESA since they care more about operations on high high range
How the hell are they gonna test Stealth at 8.7 BR against jets that have no radars? It's an oxymoron.
Put this thing at 11.0 vs late 70's jets that have SARMs and rework your bloody Team Deathmatch into something meaningful that can make use of all the technology you're modeling in the game.
They are dropping dumb bombs at 12.0 in order to grind despite having GBU's!
Make high value targets that require precision weapons to be destroyed because they are protected by SAM's. Make Stealth Bombers being able to bypass SAM's with their Stealth. Make it so the players on the enemy team have to guess or split to cover both targets.
it has also no missles, it would be not fair, from another side plane with guided bombs isn't fair for 8.7 ground vehicles, spaa will be in truble rip hovet, rip m163 their radras already are almost sueless yet. they will be detroyed from few kolometres while not being able to lock on target at all.
Exactly, they need to entirely revise how the game is played.
People find aircraft easy enough in ground rb. Remove spotting from air realistic. Make radars useful beyond lobbing missiles.
Change the objectives. Enduring confrontation is such a fun game mode. Except it’s only in air sim. Why is it not in air rb???
Gaijin just doesn’t get it
That’s a great idea
i feel like this plane is more or less just an excuse for the public to test the stealth for gaijin, its not really meant to be actually viable in a match
Because it sucks against other planes. It's 8.7 against planes, 10m0 ground
That’s annoying that you can’t lock or see the air craft on the radar yet that directional indicator still pops up. The strela is going to bully this thing.
Agreed, they should make it have the same effects on search radar as it does on track radar
@@RiflesGunnertrack radars are 3x to 10x times stronger than search radars
The stream should struggle too. F117 also has very good ir signature reducing.
@@thesupreme8062 I mean duh, does it even have an afterburner 😭
@@Pioneer_DE Nope, iirc it's 2 f-18 engines with the postcombustion ripped out
I thought we were getting the Vulcan, but it was no Vulcan it was an American thing
Coming to a squadron vehicle near you Soon TM.
Vulkan would be crazy
Don’t see huge bombers coming to game, no reason too
vulcan is already in game 🙄🙄
@@iaboyk bomber not the gun
im pretty sure that the f117s stealth is really good from the front, and bad from other angles, but i don't know if its molded in warthunder
IRL it’s good from every angle.
@@Viper31300 that's not how that works, in the slightest
@@truckerjesus8633thats literally why its designed/shaped the way it is.
@@truckerjesus8633enlighten us.
@19DESERTFOX91 Its stealth from the front and rear because its made to go to a target, attack, and leave
Underneath due to the flat surface its not as stealth, which is a design flaw due to the necessity of... yknow making it fly
And the sides, the tail is a huge giveaway
Not a War Thunder player but I'd recommend looking at how the F-117 is actually used.
When going Wild Weasel (Against anti-air) it would fly low and use ground cover to help obscure, and pop up over target as close in as possible. Flying these things up in the middle of the air during the day makes you super visible and isn't optimal use case.
I'm sure there's in-game considerations but this would be your knife in the night type fighter, even in Yugoslavia back in '99 NATO didn't use these in high risk areas during the day because if you can see it you can shoot it. It was overconfidence and using the same air corridors for bombing runs that led to the famous shootdown (at least that's the US assessment - talent goes a long way regardless of old Soviet anti-air).
If they model the plane somewhat accurately it should be hard to lock radar front on, but sides, rear (somewhat) and from bottom should show up easier. IR should only lock if you're below, or side on or anywhere behind as the plane is designed to minimize front on IR.
If you're able to fly the F-117 in dev against these launchers I'd love to see how you manage!
yoo the interaction with the tunguska is what I've been waiting for
Real, strelas will be a challenge tho, in night missions I would fly low and quiet, just don’t let them see u until u want them to
He doesn't use irst lock lmao, only radar. He turned off the search radar, not the "lock on radar"
@@RiflesGunner also there is the new AKS
@@GanyusSimp And he doesnt even have the upgraded radar unlocked. The upgrade also comes with thermals for the gunner
its the precurser to stealth fighter
🎯
Yeah but f22 is years away
@@sirbonobo3907 idk I honestly think we could see early 5th gen end of next year, but that is predicated on if we get 4.5 gen this year.
It doesn’t mean it didn’t do it’s job. People like to put words they don’t know sh*t they’re talking about.
It’s not even a fighter tf
4:32 it's not just interesting; it's supposed to work like that lol; remember the nighthawk has all those angles to deflect radar waves (it was built in the time before radar absorbent materials existed) so if any of the deflected waves happened to head back towards the tracking radar; you would be able to re-acquire it again after a period
Te samolot był pomalowany lakierem absorbującym promieniowanie radarowe więc nie gadaj głupot.
@@randomowykolegazinternetu doesn't make it unable to be tracked by radar, just means it is a lot harder. And if it gets radar from the wrong angle, yes it will get locked onto and taken out.
Stealth doesn't mean absolutely cannot be locked onto.
Maybe you should stop with the nonsense bullshitting
Thank you, I was searching for a f117 stealth dedicated video
0:53 but make sure that the source is declassified first :D
5:10 You were testing if you could lock with IRST but did not turn IRST on. You turned the search radar off, but since IRST was not toggled on you're still locking with the tracking radar. If you have an IRST lock it will say "TRK IR" instead of just "TRK" on the radar scope.
Not that it really matters, the IRST can still track the F-117 just fine in my own testing. ~10km or farther range. But just something to note if you do future testing that this is how the IRST tracking works.
you did not do an IRST lock but a camera lock, when the IRST is active it is displayed "IRST" next to the radar icon but yes the weak point of futive aircraft is indeed an IRST or camera lock if they are enough close
True I went and tested it again with proper IRST and it seems to act just like Camera lock.
@@DawgIVLife Just like SIDAM's optical lock behaves like an IR lock, and the UV tracking mistrals also behaves like IR, I don't think Gaijin is actually simulating optical lock they're just using random neglected checkboxes (':
@@micaheiber1419 The SIDAM's optical lock _definitely_ is TV, it practically cannot lock onto an aircraft at night. And assuming you meant TV guided mistral, there is no TV guided mistral, they're both IR.
@@2KDrop I speak of both. The Mistrals are badly modelled, they are not simple IR missiles. They were multi-spectrum missiles, yet Gaijin never modelled their systems in whole (because it would require them to model UV etc). The TV guidance on the gun is also horrible, they took the IR code and then added some checkboxes, as I already said. i.e. doesn't work at night. But it also retains the weakness of IR i.e. unable to lock onto cooler objects at a distance (helicopters; and just like the Mistrals, which shouldn't noticeably have this weakness because of its OTHER sensor capabilities), can't see through even the thinnest water vapour (despite light going through it fine; again, this shouldn't even be affecting the Mistral so much, because UV goes through clouds in a similar fashion to visible light), and better in rear aspect vs jets. This vehicle is butchered by both of its main systems being effectively unmodelled (more correctly, cloned from tech that isn't comparable).
Gaijin making this a squadron vehicle continues to show their reluctance to fix their game at all to facilitate any gameplay outside of fighter death balls.
U didnt turn IRST on, u just turned the search radar off. IRST is another keybind and it will show IR above the radar circle
Ikr.
honestly i think this thing will have a place in sim battles at 9.0+ where radar starts actually becoming a serious thing, itll be useful for penetrating through enemy territory and removing HVTs. i know not many people play sim sadly, i honestly prefer it to IL-2 i just find WT sim to be fun and unique experience
Air Field bombing :3
The reason the Tunguska even locked is because it’s directly beneath the Nighthawk. It’s stealth mainly works from the front and a bit to the sides
Keep in mind tunguska gets an upgraded radar with the mod dawg doesnt have
Dude casually sitting with 70 thousand dollars worth of eagles
It’s the dev server they give you unlimited GE
In theory sources say it technically could carry Aim-9s, maybe even gun pods, on its internal mounts. They should let it, for fun.
fun? in this economy? we cant have that
*the source is I made it up*
Provide me a photo of the F-117 with Am-9s and gun pods.
in theory, Panzer 4s and King Tigers should be BR 2 so they face more tanks that they historically faced
the gunpods one is definitely BS, aim-9 carriage was debunked too but that actually makes more sense
1:31 thank gosh it’s a squadron vehicle thank you snail your slime has blessed me
Ah stealth plan that flew over a thousand sorties in Desert Storm alone and was shot down only once do to sheer luck. But yea, a Phantom can lock it.
To lock it you first have to spot it, and doing that at night is quite difficult
It’s better if it’s going directly at the radar source so the angled radar reflective panel things can work better. IRL it could get locked but immediately looses lock so some leaked documents would be out after a week in guessing
So... It's like any other jet.. but worst? So much for stealth
I am quite sure that the stealth should be made better, since its the one thing that the plane has going for it.
The actual stealth and all that is classified, so balance should be more important than realism.
it seems i was correct in my estimation that the stealth capabilties of this thing were based off that one time a serbian SAM sight got blessed with nothing shy of a miracle in a microsecond happenstance and managed to shoot one down.
up next the B1 when added to warthunder will always fly towards the ground because of that one time one crashed
For how the stealth technology works in real life I think it is very well represented in the game, it is not invisibility is simply a reduction of the profile, front is the most optimal way being the side and back returning a larger radar signal, and when you open the bomb doors loses its stealth capability as all stealth aircraft, in real life they shot down 2 f-117 for that
I thought they only got one, and that’s because the bomb bat was stuck open from a malfunction
@@christopherchartier3017yeah he fibs, the F-117 in game is worse cause even extremely powerful ground based radar systems in Serbia and Iran couldn’t find them. They were only found in Austria because another plane was right next to them
@@hendersonfisher2743
One was shoot down in Serbia
@@Türk69there bomb bay door were open so stealth was compromised
@@Türk69 the theory there is that the bomb bay auto closing system failed and because the bay doors were open for so long, it was tracked by radar
I think its kinda funny that he has them flying so high up when it would be right on the deck too low for the different types of locks that work on it. By the time you know its there the bomb is already on its way and the best you can hope for is your missile kills it before you die or before it is again behind the trees and terrain
Sr71 Blackbird is inevitable at this point
At least the other variants
A-12 with what are essentially fox-1 aim-54s. Mach 3+ capable aircraft that’s just a smaller sr-71.
@@angelnunez6476 A-12 was a recon plane, the one with missiles was YF-12
SR-71 main weapon: camera
Secondary weapon: camera
@@Highly-grounded caught in 4k
if stealth is modeled properly, it will on the depend on the angle the plane is relative to the radar, if the f117 is completely belly up to you, its gonna have a big radar signature, alot of stealth planes have RAM, but they dont just disappear off of radar, youll be able to lock it from below and above- but from the side, front and back at shallow angles you will struggle. it looks like it was modeled properly to me in all fairness
and IR locking isnt hindered at all, idk if there were measures installed on the plane to reduce the engines heat signature- id assume so, but id guess you can still lock it with anything heatseeking
I’ll be honest the stealth isn’t looking stealth. Especially when IRST can lock it before it even gets in range for bombing and the Pantsir radar just effortlessly finds it at 15km.
Yeah we cant have something that is capable of making russia look bad in this game can we?
I am 90% sure gaijinn has made some sort of deal with russian goverment for propaganda
Since many russians plays wt and they propably think that this game is 100% realistic and when they see how "fighting" the western stuff is easy and doable they might actually be envouraged to enlist
I mean like TOW2B nerf? made it unusable vs russian tanks.
HE, HESH dont work vs T-series tank roofs but work fine vs western tanks
Pantsir and the only weapon system that outranges it is given to russia
Now this nighthawk "stealth" that really does not hide from anything
remember its work in progress tho, also in real life is not 100% stealth, sadly the F-117 is not very much advanced like the F-22 in stealth capacity. Irl it was hard to catch him at the distance but 10km is very close to avoid strong radars specially with that complete flat belly which was admitted irl to be a challenge in order to make this thing stealth but also able to fly.
We will see how it turns out when the update is done and finished
@@alekndov7300 you talk without the knowledge of real life all are assumptions just to fit with the Russian narrative
I hate to break it to you, but IRST is a counter to stealth irl, because, as the name implies, it locks on the Infrared signature of the Jet
@@MeNamesPoshOpossum Jesus Christ bro does stealth capabilities doesn’t include low profile infrareds?
Having it be a squad vehicle actually makes me really happy cause it makes it actually achievable for me.
I'm not really surprised the pantsir (a modern anti air platform) can radar lock one of the oldest stealth planes
it uses radar tech from eighties my dude ... Pantsir shouldnt be able to see it on radar AT ALL let alone at 15km range
@@Asghaad15 KM is actually very close. It’s entirely possible an old radar system could see it. The F-117s stealth tech is EXTREMELY primitive compared to newer stealth planes like the F-22 F-35 or B-21
@@jon-michaelsampson1120 According to who...? The F-117 has an rcs WAY below almost anything, and almost identical to that of the F35. It also has much better ir signature from rear aspect than the F22 or F35. It was literally designed for stealth OVER EVERYTHING ELSE. 80's isnt the 50's. The F22 is literally a 90's plane.
There is no way a pantsir shoud be able to see a 0.001 m2 rcs plane from 15 km. Fuck no.
It was retired because they have the more capable b2. Well its not really retired but they stored it in hangars
@@jon-michaelsampson1120 15km on radar with MAXIMUM range of 20km ? ... no
and again its 1980s stealth against 1980s radar tech ... it was literally designed against radars like these but at MUCH more larger and powerful platforms - PESA radars were THE radar systems you would have on fixed and naval instalations in 1970s and Pantsir uses one designed in 1980s on small underpowered vehicle designed as SHORAD platform not comparable to dedicated large AA systems that have 10-20 times the tracking range of the limited short range radar on that thing ...
What I think will happen.
What I know about the capabilities is that the Aircraft has.
Pros:
- Low Heat signatures overall so Radar & Visible spectrum would be Near-impossible to see.
- Primarily was used during Night Operations. Due to the Stealth capabilities during the traversal - Daytime strikes will be pointless and useless.
- The Engine is also impressive. The Exhaust is a specialty type where the Engine cools the airflow out the rear as a feature... as mentioned prior Heat-seekers and SPAA will struggle to acquire
- target or the Missile will have the possibility of Missing it's target completely.
- But, They also don't know that the Aircraft has ECM: Meaning that it will disrupt the missile improving evasive manuvers to be made.
- Stealth Capabilities are being tested. This means that we are likely going to experience a Semi-Realistic version of Stealth Capabilities.
- This is a pre-warmup to the B-2 Bomber. Which is going to carry a lot more bombs and be next in line if the Stealth is successful (So let it be for now.)
- I also theorize that the Aircrafts speed is going to improve and physics are going to take a pinnacle role in War Thunder.
- The Aircraft supports Early ECM technology in an aircraft: Rendering the Aircraft invisible on radar & Assault based weapons (Except bullets)
- Your Name will not appear and there will be no Contrail.
Cons:
- Well as you can see the F-117 Nighthawk is within its name. "Night Hawk" Primarily this Aircraft is best suited during night operations rather day.
- The aircraft is slow. (But the upside that it's really good at climbing and reaching maximum altitude in a short time.)
- The Aircraft obviously has no guns. So, This Aircraft will require a new specific Specialty target for players to attack that is exclusive to Stealth Bombers. (Such as major Airfields or VIP Targets)
- The Aircraft is hilariously easy to see in the sky as you are basically a flying Dorito. SPAA will be able to spot you if your too low... (Similar to Keen Vision you won't see it until you are too late)
- It's a bummer that it's a squadron vehicle and requires being in a squadron to use...
- As mentioned before your name & Contrail will not be visible... (except for the Rear & Sides of the Aircraft)
Conclusion:
I think the vehicle is going to look amazing and be part of War Thunder... Though I personally have yet to earn my way to the jets due to the long ass grind... But that is what the journey gets you.
I'm skeptical about how they will proceed with this Aircraft as players already assume it's useless. But I heavily disagree... Emulating Stealth capabilities with no hands-on experience is extremely difficult and the technicality of how it works is not explainable... So Gaijin will likely find benefit by adding a new game-mode or version of base destroy. in GRB: There is a set of targets that they must protect at all cost. Which planes & Tanks will be involved in a GRB Game-Mode... If not, Well Gaijin likes to Restrict gamers from enjoying their game to the fullest or progress to early.
(By the time this post is done) The Sixth Generation fighters would have already released by now.
F117 : Hah i am stealthy try to lock on me.
The 2s38 player: hold my beer
Corny
With how slow and clunky it is plus the terrible climb rate, I think 8.7 might actually be a good GRB BR for it. Sure, radars won't pick it up but they'll be 10x more likely to shoot it down with cannons than with missiles. We've had similar issues with other planes in the past.
No wonder its so bad at stealth in wt! It has the reflection+lighting elevation maps on its texture sheet of crumpled tinfoil 😂
The true measure of this jet is whether it can defeat ULQ or not. I can't wait to fight this thing in my Italian Vampire.
1 min ago😂
Got to join the 10 second crew
the angle on the plane has a big impact, yes if the plane flys over your you will easily detect it, you should be testing from a side view too
I'd love to slowly see a rank 9 evolving w stealth jets. Would be kinda fun to fly with the f-22, f-35 and su-57 for example.
And also, Could you add the f/a-18 at one point? It'd be the one jet that's missing in rank 8
Oh God, imagine the military document leaks...
Su 57 is a joke
The radar cross section would be smaller when observed by ground radar if the aircraft is flying level. The moment the F117 turns, the radar-incident angles are changed and it may appear on radar.
Observed from above the F117's belly, the radar should ping it when pretty close.
5:11 the pantsir can still use and lock with its tracking radar, not only IRST. And its tracking radar (i think the only one in the entire game) doesn't give off RWR warnings. The F117 doesn't even have a chance.
I play sim and seems pretty good addition, and the cockpit looks awesome
people when they learn stealth jet doesnt mean invisible to radar but harder to spot from "certain" aspects allowing them to close the distance to target more so than a normal jet would, off course radar will see it when you're looking at the flat fucking bottom of the thing..or really any aspect that isnt front/back/and limited for the sides
It’s not always IRST on vehicles that track with the search antenna down. Most of these vehicles often have a track radar mounted elsewhere
As a person who owns a model of this aircraft i need this regardless of if its good or not
The more I think about it, you can still bomb a pantsir from 13+km with JDAM if you’re high enough and fast enough. Of course it’ll take some time with the F-117 but it’s possible I think. Not bad
the reason the F-4C can lock the F117 from behind is because stealth aircraft aren't meant to deflect from behind. The F-35 and F-22 would easily be locked from a rear angle.
Once you understand how RCS works (radar cross section) and how stealth aircraft are created, it makes sense. They are most stealthiest when directly looking at them, the more side angle you see the large the RCS gets and therefore the easier it is to detect and lock a stealth aircraft. from directly behind a stealth craft, the RCS is nearly at its largest if you disregard a direct vew from underneath or above.
Stealth is not total immunity, “stealth” planes are just hard enough to spot/lock to get within striking range and dip. For example: I’ve heard (not entirely sure of the accuracy) from a few different sources that even the f35 can be detected by modern radars at roughly 15km… but it can strike from much farther and run away.
The F-117 will probably do well in air SB if it was put at a br with radars
It could theoretically be armed with a pair of AIM-9s. There is speculation there was a plan to use F-117s to sneak up on and down the Soviet A-50 Mainstay.
On the Pantsir when you turned your radar off you were not tracking with IRST it would say “TRK ISRT” you have to switch the mode
They can't even get the squadron number and squadron patch right. The tails show the 9th Fighter Squadron, but the patch on the side is of the 8th Fighter Squadron.
When i try to skin a potato 😂
DLSS was made in junction with Raytracing as Raytracing hemorrhages performance, so for basically everyone without an RTX 3090 or better, you'll also have that turned on for shooter-worthy FPS. They've allegedly altered DLSS in War Thunder for the release of Raytracing, and you can even see new modes for it in the settings dropdown menu. DLSS has been awful on a technical scale in War Thunder for the longest time (I don't know what iteration it uses), especially since in games like War Thunder, DLSS smudges or otherwise blurs the fine details you need at a moment's notice.
It does not have frame generation so its a older one but yea I don't know how even on low ray tracing settings I go from 250FPS to 14fps on a test drive runway.
I think this will do well in air simulator battles in bombing.
I think it would fit EC Naval if they ever get to the br range the F-117 is on. With 2 bombs in Air SB it isn't gonna do any better. It will feel nice but just that.
I'm really looking forward to seeing you nailing dogfights with it
Soviet Sim teams on their way to get bombed while on the Airfield:
6:41
your werent using IRST and for the pantsir to
you need to switch radar mode in the menu not just turn the search radar off
-Historically Accurate my ass-
You need to manually switch lock mode to IRST with either a dedicated button or quick menu (Y), closing search radar just closes search radar, that's it, you still can use track one on most spaa (not on all because gaijin logic or smth)
So the IR was also harder to pick up as the added cold air into the exhaust to keep the IR small as well.
They did say if you are lined up with it facing you that it’s easy to lock but if the plane itself is at an angle then it’s harder so maybe test that theory
and that's all if it's not moving at an angle
it'll be more of a hide and seek vehicle
Thing is, this would be hella fun to use if it could actually kill bases in AR
I think the F-117 at 10.0 will be op in night battles because most spaa aren’t radar guided and the contrast won’t work in the night
I actually think this is purely a test vehicle that their gonna be constantly changing to get ready for stuff like the F-22 F-35 or Su57
I had also tested this with the flarakrad and he needed to get within 4-5km to show up on radar and within 5-6km so I could irst lock, pretty neat
I’m going to be once again unaffected by this as an Italian main, I’m gonna continue using my SIDAM with its optical tracking so I can lock anything without them knowing I’m locked.
the worst and a really old stealth aircraft can be locked on from the side easily? it’s kinda like it was meant to be detected from the side rather than the front
don’t believe me? the front is angled in a way that RADAR waves fails to bounce back to what transmitted them meanwhile the bottom and sides are relatively smooth and flat which makes it easier to lock on from those angles
during the collapse of Yugoslavia, the (former, now Serbian) Yugoslav Army was able to shoot down a F-117 due to getting a lock as the bottom returned a signature after the bomb bays opened and gave the aircraft a more distinct shape
"I highly recommend against that" *But has over 10 million SL* lol
Depending on whether or not they buff Airfield AA against this thing I can see it being an airbase vulture, picking off aircraft who RTB.
Contrast
Target is light colored = sleeps
Target has dark skin = Its time to know where I am at all times. My self now knowing this because my self now knows where I'm isn't!
The f117 uses geometry as stealth so it may not be very stealthy from certain angles
stealth doesnt mean your invisable, it means your hard to spot, and that is early stealth so it feels right
RCS is different by the each wavelengths, so this makes sense basically. Stealth design is not effective to all wavelength. You only choose some to most effective for.
Fact it’s in 8.7 is insane💀💀
The stealth is to do with radar cross section, so if it's flying pretty much above you giving you a massive flat surface for your radar to see, you'll get a radar ping, and IRST will have very little issue with locking it compared to how well they usually function. Neat little gimmic vehicle that has interesting IRL history and looks great but is basically useless.
massive FLAT surface would act as a mirror giving you next to no return ... what you need for radar is flat surface thats 90 degrees to the radar to get as much wave reflection BACK to you as possible ... flat surface angled like this would reflect everything AWAY from the radar giving zero return
from that angle all the surface area you would get signature on would be edges of wings that are also angled away from the radar ...
from that angle the F-117 should be all but invisible to that garbage PESA radar ...
It is my understanding that DCS uses a single value for RCS, based on what you showed here it looks like WT uses different RCS values dependent upon aspect and possibly by radar band. if so this is TONS better than the supposed "best flight sim on the market".
EDIT - PS, now imagine trying to find this thing at night !
If you can try and lock on to the f-117 with more modern radar sets. F-15, mirage, etc.
Stealth doesn't mean invisible, but adding more niche strike aircraft before SEAD capabilities is very confusing.
I like the idea of adding these type of vehicles out of the tec-tree line so it doesnt disrupt the grind. I hope it this encourages gaijin to add the Foxbat since its a little of the same as this thing
I would rather them be rare events because right now this thing will kill the 8.0-9.7MM
@@DawgIVLife every new iconic vehicle will break the mm on it's br regardles of it being a tt, squadron or a premium
I can't even get excited about a plane that adds nothing to Air RB.
this plane boutta go hard
I feel like incorporating a stealth fighter in a video game such as war thunder, where radar and missiles are key to winning, is really detrimental to the game, especially since most of the countries in war thunder have never developed a good stealth fighter
15km for beter radar guided missiles seems realistic as real f-117 that was shot down was shot down at 15km range with soviet s-125 aa missile in 1999
F-117A I am stealth
Serbians: Sorry we didn't know that.
tbh the best use for the f117 would be ground rb specifically at night, you have to rely on visuals to be able to lock it reliably and its well, the *night* hawk
or sim air because the map is larger so enemy needs to search you from a larger area
@@SirusFIN yeah true if you avoid all enemies
@@doge_sevens the nighthawk will be quite liteerally invincible but sadly only 2 bombs i wish it could take like a bit more smaller guided bombs
@@kurnass2000 yeah true
Ho-229: Am I a joke to you?
Figures we get the F-117 before we get the B-52...
When it comes to air to air combat your gonna kill it anyway if you find it so having a lock or not kinda doesn’t matter much if you ask me, like it’s so slow compared to most similar tier aircraft it’s gonna be easy for guns, and can’t fight back