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  • @fabianderkeks
    @fabianderkeks 9 месяцев назад +1750

    biggest benefit in being married to Nerissa is that you get to meet her sisters and mother

    • @ShiraKonan
      @ShiraKonan 9 месяцев назад +258

      "The only thing more beautiful than her eyes is her sister"

    • @zayd4078
      @zayd4078 9 месяцев назад +153

      Trojan Horse: Marriage edition. 🤣🤣

    • @Ludecil
      @Ludecil 9 месяцев назад +68

      And her brother and father

    • @RazorPhoenix7
      @RazorPhoenix7 9 месяцев назад +18

      potentially other holo members too, during off-collabs and big events like concerts, etc.

    • @spaceasaurus
      @spaceasaurus 9 месяцев назад +63

      Wrong. The biggest benefit to marrying Nerissa is being able to measure stuff at any time using her fingers.

  • @teleportedgourd9347
    @teleportedgourd9347 9 месяцев назад +1078

    "Great news guys, I finally got married to someone, and-"
    "Are they single?"

    • @germanvisitor2
      @germanvisitor2 9 месяцев назад +64

      It's funny because it's true.

    • @genreboy3802
      @genreboy3802 8 месяцев назад +11

      It's a tradition at this point. Lol

  • @AndreB23
    @AndreB23 9 месяцев назад +1136

    Oh yeah, I'm a fan of NTR, alright.
    Nerissa The Raven, that is.

    • @hehexd69420
      @hehexd69420 9 месяцев назад +94

      HOLY Yagoo planned this the whole time…..

    • @Revenge221
      @Revenge221 9 месяцев назад +15

      That's so good, I hope that's trending one day. NTR, Nerissa, the Raven...

    • @Kay_Sea251
      @Kay_Sea251 9 месяцев назад +50

      First, Man I Love Fauna (MILF)
      Then, Biboo Drinks Strawberry Milk (BDSM)
      Next, Nerissa, The Raven (NTR)
      Somebody make a HoloTag subunit!

    • @snowboundwhale6860
      @snowboundwhale6860 9 месяцев назад +10

      @@Kay_Sea251 Cursed oshi marks for text based formats without emotes

    • @kylehayakawa486
      @kylehayakawa486 9 месяцев назад +3

      Nerissa Teresa Ravencroft

  • @Real_MisterSir
    @Real_MisterSir 9 месяцев назад +302

    Random chatter: I volunteer!
    Nerissa: Okay, okay~
    Random chatter: I didn't expect I would get this far, help

    • @Zengkoy
      @Zengkoy 9 месяцев назад +22

      Nah, it's all you bro. You did that shit to yourself

    • @rgama1173
      @rgama1173 9 месяцев назад +11

      Let he be a lesson to ya all

    • @zeilus405
      @zeilus405 4 месяца назад +1

      May you carry the bloodline o7

  • @NeuronActivation
    @NeuronActivation 9 месяцев назад +389

    Nerissa: "I think you guys will like me better if I get married"
    Brilliant tactics from Rissa as always

    • @piotr004
      @piotr004 9 месяцев назад +7

      On one hand, I almost never believe when a successful, attractive and actively wanting relationship female vtuber is single (it is extremely easy for such a woman to be in a relationship; even not famous, just normal women, have it easy with all these dating apps, etc.). On the other hand, I can't think of any good reason Rissa would be lying, as she mentioned her marital status quite a few times, basically from her debut (if she wanted to hide it, it would be enough just not to talk about this topic at all, and nobody would know). So maybe she is not lying about being single. Either way, even though I have always been single my whole life, I just want our talents to be happy (and Rissa clearly said she dreams of her family), so I would be just happy for her if she announced dating/marriage (in this situation, I would want full clarity and morality, so absolutely zero GFE, zero thirst topics, etc. - it would be honest for jailbird, her and her partner).

    • @TGPDrunknHick
      @TGPDrunknHick 8 месяцев назад +4

      @@piotr004 I think that sometimes being attractive and well known is the issue. finding people that actually like you compared to people who just want a lay or are obsessed would be much more difficult.

  • @UltimaKeyMaster
    @UltimaKeyMaster 8 месяцев назад +59

    Chat: Don't worry, you're not my type.
    Nerissa: Smart?
    Chat: Single.

  • @ZeroXSEED
    @ZeroXSEED 9 месяцев назад +169

    Rissa: "You secretly want me to get married"
    Me: "Secretly?"

  • @ivanbluecool
    @ivanbluecool 9 месяцев назад +765

    Nerissa: I'm single and willing
    Chat: nah
    Malpha and aradia:(exist)
    Chat: WOOOOOOO MOMMY

    • @isiahzar7668
      @isiahzar7668 9 месяцев назад +2

      👏👏👏👏

    • @patheticseal
      @patheticseal 9 месяцев назад +26

      Its because they are actually mommies

    • @ivanbluecool
      @ivanbluecool 9 месяцев назад +77

      @@patheticseal aradia doesn't have kids. Her husband does call her mommy though

    • @surr3al305
      @surr3al305 9 месяцев назад +1

      It's fine that chat doesn't want her, I'll take her

    • @kamo7293
      @kamo7293 9 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@ivanbluecool😂 that is true...

  • @ivanbluecool
    @ivanbluecool 9 месяцев назад +435

    Look if someone has to marry Nerissa to make her more popular. I'll take the sacrifice and start a family with her. I hope my brothers in arms remember my sacrifice

    • @Wan_DerFull
      @Wan_DerFull 9 месяцев назад +97

      No you are not
      **Kicks you off the stage**

    • @doomngloom9088
      @doomngloom9088 9 месяцев назад +18

      O7

    • @dernium
      @dernium 9 месяцев назад +42

      It should have been me! Not him. Its not fair!

    • @spinner9373
      @spinner9373 9 месяцев назад

      I shall take that burden from your shoulders. *Kick

    • @SparklingSapphire_Tv
      @SparklingSapphire_Tv 9 месяцев назад +15

      OH HELL NO BOY SHE MINE! I ALREADY HAVE LIKE 3 FAN FICS DONE “ PRIVATE “ SHE MINE!

  • @shadowmagus0413
    @shadowmagus0413 9 месяцев назад +58

    Jailbirds not down bad as fuck Challenge (Impossible)

    • @InoriVoid
      @InoriVoid 9 месяцев назад +3

      She is not letting jailbirds hit 😭😭
      (I’m here for the midwestern represent)
      and her sisters

    • @1stCallipostle
      @1stCallipostle 9 месяцев назад +6

      Rissa seems like she's DTF anything with a pulse so
      Chat reflects the streamer

    • @InoriVoid
      @InoriVoid 9 месяцев назад +1

      @1stCallipostle I feel like some of chat is being serious though which is weird asf 😭😭😭

  • @blazingkite8983
    @blazingkite8983 9 месяцев назад +78

    Nerissa: if I get married you'd like me more because of how you like my sisters
    Chat: yes, married to me
    me: Do you realize what that means, given the prior context?

    • @Lopezprieto
      @Lopezprieto 8 месяцев назад +1

      Chat will simp chat, creating an eternal loop, donating money for themselves, and the Universe will go *BOOOOM*

  • @amuroray.1690
    @amuroray.1690 9 месяцев назад +67

    "You guys would like better if I was married."
    Normally Vtubers LOSE "fans" when they reveal they are in a relationship.
    Jailbirds are built different I guess.

    • @Speed001
      @Speed001 9 месяцев назад +22

      We having healthy boundaries and respecting the streamer's personal life with this one 🔥🔥🔥

    • @andreasthiemke9520
      @andreasthiemke9520 8 месяцев назад +5

      @@Speed001 I mean if she were to get married we would go after her husband/wife then
      Just another person to simp for

  • @belzedk
    @belzedk 9 месяцев назад +34

    This would be a funny way to prepare her viewers for a marriage announcement.

    • @MapleLeaf2501
      @MapleLeaf2501 9 месяцев назад +12

      Not gonna lie if a talent like Nerissa did just out right said they were married and people can just deal with it...I'd call that talent a fucking GigaChad.

    • @forstuffjust7735
      @forstuffjust7735 8 месяцев назад +5

      @@MapleLeaf2501 Entirely depends on the idol. In case of Marine chat would go: "Fricking finally" or "Even christmas cakes can find buyers" or "Sure grandma"

    • @MapleLeaf2501
      @MapleLeaf2501 8 месяцев назад

      @@forstuffjust7735 "Good luck to your husband."

  • @saber_xyt
    @saber_xyt 9 месяцев назад +128

    *Lmao NTRR* i love nerissa shes so adorable.

    • @autobotCRSHR
      @autobotCRSHR 9 месяцев назад +2

      NTRR? Netorare? I'm confused on what NTRR is...

    • @saber_xyt
      @saber_xyt 9 месяцев назад +3

      @@autobotCRSHR its ntr with one r its basically like cheating n like example your girlfriend gets smashed by another dude. Worst genre ever

    • @turritopsis_said80
      @turritopsis_said80 9 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@saber_xyt the profile speaks for itself LMAO

    • @jojo_sanders5342
      @jojo_sanders5342 8 месяцев назад +1

      But somehow the art is always peak.

  • @Furluge
    @Furluge 8 месяцев назад +8

    Chat is secretly all east Asian moms.

  • @Speed001
    @Speed001 9 месяцев назад +11

    0:07 she's probably talking about width.
    I was thinking length for a minute.

    • @piotr004
      @piotr004 9 месяцев назад +3

      Yea, I just couldn't imagine how the hell even a single finger, let alone 2 combined, can have a length of only 2.5 cm!

    • @nigelxd3735
      @nigelxd3735 8 месяцев назад

      She has bacteria size hands

  • @NoahRogers19980618
    @NoahRogers19980618 9 месяцев назад +36

    Heck I’d marry Nerrisa if I could, I definitely understand the attraction to her sisters, but man when life, universe, a higher power gives anyone a opportunity to, just take a chance and go for it.

  • @JusteDessertsPersonal
    @JusteDessertsPersonal 9 месяцев назад +5

    When a woman is single, you have to outclass all other men for her affection. But when a woman is married, you’ve only one man to defeat.

  • @JudsonRadio
    @JudsonRadio 9 месяцев назад +45

    Living vicariously through your oshi's relationship > GFE
    change my mind

  • @robertdelrosario139
    @robertdelrosario139 9 месяцев назад +8

    Ah Nerissa, my 6th or 7th favorite Ravencroft, I don't remember which

  • @Sovaroga
    @Sovaroga 9 месяцев назад

    Nerissa: "I can measure how long things are with my fingers"
    Artists: "WRITE THAT DOWN !"

  • @azkon7975
    @azkon7975 9 месяцев назад +4

    I've always wondered what it would be like to have a corpo VTuber be openly married. I realize married indies exist but the indie scene is a different dynamic.

    • @StrikeNoir105E
      @StrikeNoir105E 8 месяцев назад

      That's Inuyama Tamaki in a nutshell, even if NoriPro ain't exactly what people think off when they imagine a "corpo" agency.

    • @HaesslichG
      @HaesslichG 8 месяцев назад

      As long as she's not offering GFE as her main thing, it should be fine.

    • @jaylopez6450
      @jaylopez6450 8 месяцев назад +2

      I know there's a NijiJP who has a wife and kid, but then again he's a guy so I imagine the reaction would be wildly different compared to if it were a girl VTuber. Plus I think there's a huge difference between starting the career already married vs getting married midway, not to mention the difference in reception based on which corpo they're in.

  • @A-Silver
    @A-Silver 9 месяцев назад +7

    Huh? When did she-
    Doesn't matter...
    MY MIND CAN'T STOP THINKING OF CUTE HANDS HOLDING MINE OMG I LUV U NERISSA KAMI OSHI FOREVER TT

  • @js1031
    @js1031 9 месяцев назад +10

    I knew Nerissa was wild, but proposing handholding on YT? How did she duck the ban hammer?

  • @wizzy3532
    @wizzy3532 8 месяцев назад

    I like how one person instantly said "No i want your mom" lmao

  • @VPCh.
    @VPCh. 8 месяцев назад

    Thats why we love Nerissa so much, shes married to Kiara and Ollie, so twice the love

  • @rd1426
    @rd1426 9 месяцев назад +1

    Nene feels a disturbance in the force

  • @GD0nly
    @GD0nly 8 месяцев назад

    "You all want me to get married" yeah to me.

  • @nyogtheeldritchgentleman
    @nyogtheeldritchgentleman 9 месяцев назад

    0:25 ….
    Woof.

  • @OhitsONnow
    @OhitsONnow 9 месяцев назад

    Whats crazy is that we cant deny it

  • @wolfman210
    @wolfman210 9 месяцев назад

    * Sympathetically looks at Ollie and Shiori and plays harmonica *

  • @baksban74
    @baksban74 9 месяцев назад

    The only downside is that it'll be public, to an extent and if there's any heartbreak(hopefully not) whatever amount of parasocialism we have will hit us like a brick with the same aftershock.

  • @Vindercolt
    @Vindercolt 6 месяцев назад

    Nerissa: little feminine hands
    Kronii: little boy hands

  • @NoahRogers19980618
    @NoahRogers19980618 9 месяцев назад

    Good for her, proud of her too!

  • @AhHereWeGo
    @AhHereWeGo 8 месяцев назад

    Oh no, she would know how long it REALLY is, lol

  • @TheCrazyCapMaster
    @TheCrazyCapMaster 9 месяцев назад

    The secret is that we want what we know we cannot have 🤣

  • @zeta4687
    @zeta4687 9 месяцев назад

    yeah my pinky is like, exact 6cm, and each of the three sections is exact 2cm
    what's more is my middle one is exact 12cm aswell
    so i can basically tell how long things are if it's under 20cm

  • @UnownDepth
    @UnownDepth 9 месяцев назад

    Damn she knows

  • @kamo7293
    @kamo7293 9 месяцев назад

    chat: jokes bout nerissa needs to get married
    nerissa: so what if I got married
    chat: wait no shit abort!

  • @mateusegura123
    @mateusegura123 9 месяцев назад +1

    She is becoming too powerful

  • @infernalarson6790
    @infernalarson6790 9 месяцев назад

    Hand holding lewd 😳

  • @ZenoDovahkiin
    @ZenoDovahkiin 9 месяцев назад +1

    Actually chat is just trying to make Nerissa get married to a good guy and have kids as a favour to her mum, but don't leak that info.

  • @francesco8000
    @francesco8000 9 месяцев назад

    Kurtis McLean "i prefer your mom"
    So based.

  • @Ludecil
    @Ludecil 9 месяцев назад +1

    What a statement, I feel like a JP member saying that out of the blue could invite hella toxicity

    • @Speed001
      @Speed001 9 месяцев назад

      That's unfortunate, screw those types of fans

  • @Dracobyte
    @Dracobyte 3 месяца назад

    This was a funny bit!

  • @JorgeRodriguez-xd8ue
    @JorgeRodriguez-xd8ue 9 месяцев назад

    Oh no... she knows..

  • @pondfishrancher
    @pondfishrancher 9 месяцев назад

    All the comments saying they will marry narissa not knowing they will have to prove themselves in battle by fighting papparissa

  • @BRuiz-cd9bh
    @BRuiz-cd9bh 9 месяцев назад

    That is very true actually, I'd like her much more if she were to get married... (To me, that is)

  • @Raxerm
    @Raxerm 8 месяцев назад

    "I prefer your mom."
    Just wanted to highlight Kurtis McLean's comment.

  • @lerneanlion
    @lerneanlion 9 месяцев назад +1

    To those who wanted to marry Princess Nerissa, have you all ever looked at yourselves in the mirror and ask "Am I worthy of her?" or not?

  • @Nero-was-Right
    @Nero-was-Right 9 месяцев назад +1

    I volunteer as tribute! No need to sacrifice yourselves boys.
    Nerrissa I accept.

  • @nguyenho5859
    @nguyenho5859 9 месяцев назад

    Today I found out that only the avatar is endowed

  • @AAlmaDoAlem
    @AAlmaDoAlem 9 месяцев назад

    Jailebirds are strange... And i like cute little hands...

  • @chaosbringer2000
    @chaosbringer2000 9 месяцев назад

    Based dude that said I prefer the Mum
    Game recognises game 🤝🏽😏

  • @angelwing9
    @angelwing9 9 месяцев назад

    I wonder how her brain works

  • @velveteensallet949
    @velveteensallet949 9 месяцев назад

    In before her spouse becomes our oshi.

  • @cipherthevcuber
    @cipherthevcuber 9 месяцев назад +7

    that... can't be right.
    pointer and middle are an inch?
    lol a feet probably

    • @Candlemancer
      @Candlemancer 9 месяцев назад

      Width of the two fingers side by side. Which would mean she does have tiny hands, mine are small and it's more like 1½ inches

    • @cipherthevcuber
      @cipherthevcuber 9 месяцев назад

      @@Candlemancer oh... width.

  • @chainsaw7638
    @chainsaw7638 9 месяцев назад +1

    What a dork

  • @fakemasterchief9539
    @fakemasterchief9539 8 месяцев назад

    Right now I see a married woman is more attractive than a single woman so maybe she is right

  • @darryllee1808
    @darryllee1808 9 месяцев назад

    Gomi. You might wanna update the outro to include the Advent girls.

  • @blazcraz6992
    @blazcraz6992 9 месяцев назад

    My math teacher lied to all of us and said the space from the knuckles was one inch and I've defaulted to that as my way of measure ever since.
    Also forgot The Rizza is not JP because then I'd ask for a Green Card Marriage just to fan the flames.

    • @BaconNuke
      @BaconNuke 9 месяцев назад +1

      I remember as a kid not realizing that "a foot" and *my* foot were not the same.. but honestly that isn't on me it's on whoever named the measurement lol

    • @therighttrousers343
      @therighttrousers343 9 месяцев назад

      ​@@BaconNukeBecause at some point it was someone's foot, just like the measurement of a hand, which is another real measurement. Indeed, in the past you'd get people selling things by a foot or a hand or an arm and you'd send a family member with the longest of that body part to the merchant to buy it so you could get the most for your money. I don't have a source, this is just what I've heard through the years, though, look into it further if you want more sources or detail, I'm just sharing what's off my head.

  • @Sheriff_Curtis
    @Sheriff_Curtis 9 месяцев назад

    It was all a power play, but by whom?

  • @ThanuG15
    @ThanuG15 8 месяцев назад

    I'm into Netori, where the MC steals away girls from boyfriends, fiancees or husbands. So yes.

  • @iminyourwallz420
    @iminyourwallz420 9 месяцев назад

    Jokes on her, we just want her to get married and live a happy life
    Also, we want her to marry to us, but I suppose that’s optional

  • @trstmeimadctr
    @trstmeimadctr 9 месяцев назад

    Mine are actually exactly 2"

  • @listener709
    @listener709 9 месяцев назад

    Wait 2.5 cm equals an inch so that mean I have... Man I suddenly feel so much better for no particular reason

  • @goleogthais
    @goleogthais 9 месяцев назад +1

    yeah, married to me 😎

  • @BanShogo
    @BanShogo 9 месяцев назад

    these guys want more than that, they want you to "GET PREGNANT" x50

    • @Paradox-es3bl
      @Paradox-es3bl 9 месяцев назад +1

      Plap Plap stream, when? Collab with ProjektMelody?

  • @batboy555
    @batboy555 8 месяцев назад

    Just marry chat like Nene.

  • @originalcharacterplznostea2749
    @originalcharacterplznostea2749 9 месяцев назад

    She misunderstands, we'd prefer her husband if she got married.

  • @neetpride5919
    @neetpride5919 9 месяцев назад +1

    Jailbirds #1 hentai tag: NTR

  • @IchirosanSSRB
    @IchirosanSSRB 9 месяцев назад

    I’m on Nerissa’s clip! :D

  • @Ragnell123
    @Ragnell123 9 месяцев назад

    It would actually be really cool to hear about Nerissa's love life. Totally not parasocial btw.

  • @jetstrike28
    @jetstrike28 9 месяцев назад

    We like aradia and malpha because theyre hotter than nerissa. The married part is just a bonus.😂😂😂

  • @omalleycaboose5937
    @omalleycaboose5937 9 месяцев назад

    If Nerrissa got a husband wed all just simp for him harder than her lol, she can't win

  • @madeupalias1667
    @madeupalias1667 9 месяцев назад

    She can tell when something is 12 feet long by measuring it with her hand, one inch at a time? That sounds Gross.

  • @suicasu3514
    @suicasu3514 8 месяцев назад

    If she gets married chat will predate on her husband anyway. There's no winning this Nerissa.

  • @seisoch6969
    @seisoch6969 9 месяцев назад

    I dont want her to get married, i want her to get married to me.
    (So i can met her family, win win situation)

    • @Notorious224
      @Notorious224 8 месяцев назад

      But she got standards bro. And u are not close to it

  • @Micheldied
    @Micheldied 9 месяцев назад

    Wtf my index finger and middle finger are like each an inch wide, and I'm a pretty small guy.

  • @gilbertodepauladapaz
    @gilbertodepauladapaz 9 месяцев назад +1

    So, Ollie doesn't count?

  • @boartank
    @boartank 9 месяцев назад

    Our wife ⚒️

  • @gamerguy425
    @gamerguy425 9 месяцев назад

    Going with the ol get with someone else just to make 'em jealous tactic, huh Rissa?
    I mean she's already married to at least Ollie so I don't think she's right unless she means actual IRL married.

  • @muffinzetta3670
    @muffinzetta3670 9 месяцев назад

    Did she just say she has 12 fingers?

  • @TheTickyTickyTicky
    @TheTickyTickyTicky 9 месяцев назад

    A wise man once said "I'm not into married women!!! I'm into N.T.R.!!!"

  • @J3Puffin
    @J3Puffin 9 месяцев назад

    Didn’t she already try this with Kiara and Ollie?

  • @CountShaman
    @CountShaman 9 месяцев назад +1

    Jailbirds act like a bunch of traitors now, but heaven forbid she collabs with a Holostar member, and we'll see who gets the last laugh.

  • @SunriseAlchemist
    @SunriseAlchemist 9 месяцев назад +2

    I can already see this being sent to Nagzz

  • @nagasaipurvaz4251
    @nagasaipurvaz4251 8 месяцев назад

    I don’t like NTR but into married women - gintama. 😂

  • @SeanCrosser
    @SeanCrosser 9 месяцев назад

    Netorissa Ravencroft amirite

  • @shaoronmd
    @shaoronmd 9 месяцев назад

    no. 2.5cm is not an inch. it's 2.54cm

  • @Panster7
    @Panster7 9 месяцев назад

    No don't. But yes this is true...

  • @OneArmedWolfshinobi
    @OneArmedWolfshinobi 9 месяцев назад

    ✋🏻I volunteer as tribute

  • @Ghost-yd7ep
    @Ghost-yd7ep 2 месяца назад

    Insert clip: EWWWW, WTF!!!!!

  • @Smallpriest
    @Smallpriest 9 месяцев назад

    Bruh she promoting NTR 😂

  • @yudiva2741
    @yudiva2741 9 месяцев назад

    The only NTR i support is *Nearl The Radiant*

    • @yudiva2741
      @yudiva2741 9 месяцев назад

      @GomiSimpington yo you need to see this, a bot or scammer caught in 4K doing some action lmao

  • @bailey64
    @bailey64 9 месяцев назад +4

    She's already married to Reine and Ollie, I don't think it helps. 💍

  • @ohhi7300
    @ohhi7300 9 месяцев назад +3

    NTR FETISH!? 😂

  • @DEADHUNTER__
    @DEADHUNTER__ 8 месяцев назад

    fan spamming ntr 💀

  • @triplej26532
    @triplej26532 9 месяцев назад

    An NTR (Nerissa The Raven) moment. Sick fact about some human beings is they could naturally be more attracted to the one who is married than one that is single.
    If I were to marry Nerissa of course I try to get on her family's good side. To be sure that I am the right man to marry her.

  • @marcelabotelho1065
    @marcelabotelho1065 9 месяцев назад

    I think Nerissa is probably the only Holomember that crazy fans would find it okay if she actually got married irl.

    • @InoriVoid
      @InoriVoid 9 месяцев назад

      Not really imo, I don’t think realistically that many fans genuinely think they oshis lettin them tap
      It would be nice to see a streamer I’ve been watching get married whether they an anime avatar or not