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- Published on Apr 20, 2026
- SPIDER-GWEN & SPIDER-PUNK spin-off movies are officially moving forward at Sony Pictures, and the Spider-Verse future just got a lot bigger. On today’s episode of The Kristian Harloff Show, we break down the major confirmation that Spider-Gwen and Spider-Punk solo films are in active development and what this means for Sony’s expanding Spider-Man universe.
We also react to new comments from director Destin Daniel Cretton about the Spider-Man: Brand New Day trailer, including his surprising claim that Marvel Studios showed little interest in Wonder Man. What does that say about Marvel’s shifting priorities, and how could it affect future MCU storytelling?
Plus, the new Spider-Noir trailer teases an existential crisis, classic villains, and stylish web-swinging action. We analyze the tone, themes, and how this darker Spider-Man story fits into the broader Spider-Verse lineup.
Finally, we discuss the latest Avengers: Doomsday update as the film’s directors confirm that Steve Rogers will have a central role in the movie’s story. How does Captain America factor into the next Avengers event, and what does this mean for the MCU moving forward?
All that and more on The Kristian Harloff Show-your home for Marvel news, Spider-Man updates, Sony Pictures developments, and in-depth movie and TV discussion.
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1:15:16 Winston trying to say Kristian dont put seasoning on his food😏🤣🤣🤣🚫🧂
Kris laughing😂😂
YES Winston I fully agree the doorman felt like an Atlanta episode for sure
Sad folks really crapping on Supergirl from the very start of it announcement. I really don't know any female superheroes that folks immediately had faith in. Even Wonder Woman was getting trashed before finding out word of mouth it was a success
Spent my V Day going to Jersey for a nin concert... it was awesome.
I think Winston needs to look back at the past couple of phases of marvel before saying “move on with new stuff”
Kristian said Steve Rogers coming back as Nomad not Captain America but Winston does bring valid suspicion that if the parks take out Sam it does tell something but a trailer would help clear most of the Kermit the frog typing chaos
That is just merchandise and sells, it doesn't dictate who has said bigger role.
The thumbnail for this is pretty good besides everyone making thumbnail face 🤣
Everyone loved sam as falcon.
Saying doomsday won’t make a billion is as crazy as saying it will make 3 billion .but not as crazy as this movie cost 1 billion dollars.
I love that everyone pitched in the last second just so Rocha doesn’t win haha
1:26:14 Winston means jim ross, not jerry the king lawler
48:43 Prediction Bet
51:04 Winston on Clayface
51:28 Kris on Clayface
52:50 Kristian on Clayface
2:02:36 Kris on Doom's day
54:00 Final Numbers
54:08 Supergirl
54:18 Kristian on Supergirl
54:55 Kris on Supergirl
55:54 Winston on Supergirl
58:15 Doom's Day
58:31 Kris on Doom's day
59:57 Winston on Doom's day
1:00:26 Kristian on Doom's day
1:01:01 Greatest Movie of All Time
1:06:18 Final Prediction Doom's day
Winston…same, never in my soul can I root for the Pats!
That doomsday/Supergirl conversation Winston was straight up cooking 🍳🔪 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
No he wasn't he was straight uo burning all the food acting as tho he cooked a first class meal
They gave falcon a movie and a show.
I really think the re-release of Endgame in September is really going to help skyrocket the anticipation of Doomsday....
1:23:49 Princess
Doomsday in my mind gets at least half a billion just on nostalgia for the fox X-Men, and Toby as Spiderman. I think it gets a bump from good will off the Thunderbolts. 2 billion is possible, but a big uphill battle. I hope for the sake of the genre, and the industry that the movie pulls at least 2 billion. I'm just excited to see if it's a good movie myself.
I didn’t enjoy the doorman episode either, but to me wonderman show felt like a studio show with the backdrop of superheroes and it was a little disappointing for a superhero show
Kristian I’m 10000000% with you I don’t think it’s crazy at all to believe this could hit 3 billion. There’s a feeling in the air with this one that I can’t really describe and I truly believe that Feige and the Russo brothers are cooking up something truly special.
Swinging for the fences and going to say $2.6 billion. I’m sure I’m way off but screw it lol
Doomsday it's still 10 months away and we haven't even gotten a trailer, talking about not having hype yet for doomsday and using that to say your more excited for supergirl is crazy
Penny Barber should play Spider Gwen
I'd like to see a variant in secret wars of Emma stone as spider gwen. She could be from a universe where her andrew was lizard like into the spidervierse. It would make for a really good dynamic and moment between them when they realise imo.
I have to side with Winston, I’m not excited for Doomsday ( the official trailer might change my mind) But as for right now, Supergirl is my pick
To me the worst choice was not moving forward with films that support leading characters for DC…Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman are the characters that are universal building figures that need to provide the standard
As weird as it sounds, I kind of like that there isn't a multi-year build up to Doomsday in the same way that there was for IW and Endgame. I see it as one movie that lays it all out on the table and sets a foundation for the MCU going forward, and where we'll go from there. Time will tell whether that's for better or worse, but it'll be great if one movie raptures everyone back onboard going forward in a way the last few years of the MCU haven't....
I'm kinda with you. Doom's arrival is completely unexpected and that's in a way realistic. Shit happens and we'll just have to see how the MCU characters react to that.
1:58:39 Clip This.. we got new caption ..Kris with sound effects
Oh no 😂
I’m with harloff here maybe not over 3 Bil but definitely close to it I’m saying doomsday makes 2.9 bil
Doomsday $2.5b, Supergirl $285m(generous given the competition), Clayface $115m tops. If Dune wasn’t opening same weekend I think Kristian is right $3b is possible. But not with it sharing. But also knowing Dune has the imax secure
I hope to goodness, they don’t have a young X-men and include Jubilee in the mix…but that just be me I guess 😂😂😂
Much respect to winston but where was he during endgame? it rerelease only 1 and basically the movie is still showing you can call it extended and made only 30 - 40 million tops. It was gonna make 2.7 billion without the rerelease. His numbers are way off.
Kristian, I am a DIE-HARD MCU fan (despite what my previous comments may have you believe) and even I don't have that kinda faith in Doomsday!!!
3.1 is MADNESS!!!
Well this was a case where I was definitely on Kristian’s side over Winston and Kris during the Doomsday discussion LOL
Fax
When it comes to box office, I immediately disregard anything Winston has to say. He misremembers numbers and tries to bend the narrative around his inner circle opinion. Entertaining, but has wildly uneducated takes.
You have any examples other than this time?
Doomsday is a direct sequel to Endgame, Infinity War and Endgame were the build up for Doomsday
The X-Men, The Fantastic Four, and the Avengers, plus more are all gonna be in the same movie for the first time. I’m more intrigued by the idea of that than any other thing regardless of build up or how good I think something else might be. It’s possible that Supergirl is much better, but it doesn’t pique curiosity to nearly the same extent. I already feel like I know what I’m getting
Fax
I'm going to say Doomsday makes 2B-2.5B...then Secret Wars will go on to make 3B+.
I doubt Doomsday will make $3 billion like Kristian said. Maybe $2 billion if their lucky
Agree with Winston on the Captain America point and Doomsday all together. I’m not hyped for Supergirl but doesn’t mean I’m excited for Doomsday. If you were comparing Batman 2 and Doomsday, watch that entire conversation turn.
The batman 2 doesn't have as much as Doomsday that's a fax
Also Winston is wrong on steve rogers point
Everyone has been complaining about the MCU post-endgame. They are course correcting. The Winston argument is very niche
His points just make no sense
The last wave of Marvel characters failed. Going back to the originals is the smartest decision they could have made. Nobody cared about Isaiah Bradley. Making him a bigger focus in BND wouldn't have made it better or more successful, Winston.
They didnt fail otherwise they wouldn't be in this movie they just werent as successful as previous characters
1 billion for Doomsday?
That's a hill and a half to climb.
Disagree
That budget is not close to being a billion.
@mrstrangeworld5977 Fine. That doesn't change the fact that it's the first movie in history that needs at least 2 billion to break even.
@SamonatramHow does it need 2billion to break even? The budget hasnt been confrimed, the budget isnt 1billion. That is speculation.
Did....did you watch the video you're commenting on? 🤦♂️@mrstrangeworld5977
Hahahaha I love Winston and Kris so much and they're some of faves on the show, but man they trying SO hard not to give Doomsday any hype. I commend them for staying on that hill hahaha. They'll come off of it soon though.
I don't think it's hard to try...I fill blown agree with their gears and hype for the 3 DC projects this year.
Like Kristian said, the 1 thing that makes me care about Doomsday, is X-Men trailer and thinking of it as an Endgame sequel. But even that is hard to do, because they haven't even marketed it as such with the exception of Steve Rogers coming back and that doesn't scream Endgame sequel
@MGBay1the dc projects are not more anticipated than doomsday even if you combined them
I have something that you might experiment with Kristian. Streamed video playbacks don’t do as well as regular ones, so try to upload the recording of the live show as a separate video a few times and see how it performs.
try that. And the audience absolutely destroyed me for it. The entire audience revolted and we’re pissed off so no thanks! Ha ha ha.
@TheKristianHarloffI was one of those people that wasn’t a fan hahaha, but I’m not suggesting that. People weren’t happy because it didn’t include the Q&A portion. Try the full two hours.
Lmao I’m sorry, there’s no universe in which Doomsday’s budget is $1B. Are we loosing our minds?? The most expensive movie ever isn’t even barely $500M on its regular budget.
Exactly I agree
Yeah, both movies are going to be expensive, but 1billion easch one is ridiculous...unless they are considering the film and marketing budget as a single expense, and even then I don't think it's exactly a billion.
They say some stupid shit on these podcasts sometimes
@owenharrison761 if that was the case then they would’ve discussed this with the avatar movies because those movies basically cost 400 million each roughly. Doomsday or Secret Wars at their highest will probably be 500 million but there’s no way they get to 1 billion in budget.
The other thing is, it will take aporox 18 months to two years after release, but we will know the overall combined budget of Doomsday and Secret Wars because they are filming in the UK. And that Forbes journalist gets the production company name then all the filings are public because they claim the subsidy from HM Treasury.
In any event, the highest known production spend in history was Force Awakens which is $638m, or about $535m in actual cost to the studio after the subsidy was paid to them.
So for this to be over a billion it would need to be double the most expensive in history.
You guys are so right about the upcoming Avengers movie. It’s like the answer to the question that was never asked by the previous movies. The previous movies were all setting up different timelines that should have been answered by the TVA and Kang… but we’re doing this now. Whatever this is
That movie is never going to make three billion for the simple fact. That theatrical windows are so small now and it will be online by that Monday
No they'll extend it
39:50 Sorry to end your dream, but Captain America is Steve Rodgers.
No...he isn't. But Steve 'Rogers' is 🤓
@SM-pk7pg 😮 you are right. I really thought it had "d". Thanks for the correction. I'm actually shocked I never noticed that
@sergiom1136across th' net High 5 😂
No
Yeah, and Sam too, so you arent wrong😏
Now, It's fair to say that Steve is the most popular one
I’m with Winston I’m more excited for Supergirl. I get I’m in the minority but don’t get why it upsets so many people online 😂
It didn't really upset many people, its just the minority which is very tiny. Thats all, and some of Winston points feel, very jumping the gunn.
@mrstrangeworld5977I’m not just on about this channel. I mean online in general. If you suggest you’re misreading excited for Supergirl then one of the Marvel movies people seem to take it personally. Also I don’t agree with all of Winston’s points, just the general one of what I’m more excited for
@BusterBarnes
Because some times those takes are in bad faith. Thats why people jump on those types flame starter people, Winston just doesn't make much sense tbh.
@mrstrangeworld5977 bad faith?
Kristian has time to read the Supergirl comic just chose not too. We're still waiting for Doom's day trailer to change minds. I see why Winston & Kris are for Supergirl because they know what the story is.
It doesn't matter, I've read that supergirl comic. And as good as it is, it isn't more anticipated than doomsday.
And majoirty of people, 99.9% of people are more hyped for doomsday than supergirl.
@mrstrangeworld5977you're right
@josephashley4122
That isn't to say, supergirl will be bad. I'm sure it will be great.
I've noticed every other movie is anticipated but Supergirl. I hope its real good like Wonder Woman. Seem this is the one that guys role their eyes on. Probably because its low B character no one take serious or something else 🐈⬛. I just hope folks not sleeping on it and word of mouth its better than these crappy trailers
There is a higher chance of Doomsday doing 3 billion than not doing 1 billion.
Agreed
Doomsday making 3.1 bill is far reaching. Anything can happen inbetween like China not feeling superhero films anymore or Government pushing hard tarrifs on overseas merchandise and crippling financial issues payback. Medical outbreak and protests. I hope its good but I doubt it reach pass 2 bill.
Defo hitting 2billion
Kristians had some info about Spiderman/Doomsday. I get the hype but suddenly to go anti Harloff just like that? He knows something but does that something mean 3.1 billy...Is Batman in Doomsday??
Between the cast and the likely incalculable amount of VFX shots, the movie's production budget is expected to be between $400-$500 million
I think its reasonable that the production spend may be higher than that, but not anywhere like $1bn.
The highest confirmed production spend in history was Force Awakens. The official company accounts of the production company (which are public and used to calculate the subsidy it gets from the UK Government) shows it was $638m total spend pre subsidy and $535m total spend after the subsidy was paid to them.
So something in the $600m+ is very possible.
I love Kris, but I couldn't disagree more about Doomsday vs Supergirl. Sure, I've also been burned by Marvel a lot lately, but nothing that Marvel has released in the last few years burned me worse than Superman. One film into the new DCU and I'm already turned off. May pass on Supergirl completely.
Sorry, for avengers doomsday and secret wars I want the OG Avengers back. I want them interacting with the OG x men. I don’t want Sam and his Temu version of the avengers. Did you see sam in what if saying “avengers assemble”. Just doesnt feel nor sound right.
You're really comparing what if to live action..... ridiculous
Kristian talking about he want to see the consequences of the doomsday movie One thing we know so far marvel movies have no consequences. Everybody comes back
That's a lie
It will NEVER happen, but I would laugh my ass off if Clayface outgrosses both Doomsday and Supergirl
🤣💀🤣💀🤣💀🤣💀🤣💀🤣
(Also, I'm in no way knocking Clayface, he's my favorite Batman villain.)
Then you're not a big mcu fan
@mrstrangeworld5977
OMG!!!
This is the most annoying comment section on RUclips!!!
🤣🙄
Still dont get why they haven't done sequels to Garfield Spiderman and Maguire Spiderman. Its all under Sony and the actors want to do it
We don't need it
@mrstrangeworld5977 art isnt about need, if you have a good idea why not?
There was a rumour (obviously needs to be taken with a pinch of salt but it supposedly came from people familiar with the productions) that part of the clause of sharing the rights to Spider Man with Marvel was that only Tom Holland could be Spiderman in live action unless both parties agreed (hence no way home). Thus giving Marvel Studios a veto over Tobey and Andrew films with Sony which they would have pulled to ensure their Tom Holland films had the best chances at profitability being the only live action Spider Man game in town.
Gotta disagree with you Kriss, theres no way doomaday doesn’t make over a billion.
Deadpool and wolverine made 1.3Billion, and that was R-rated.
Theres just no world where doomaday makes less.
But we shall see.
- Over a billion collective views across those four trailers
- Over 275 million views from chair watch
- Almost every movie RUclips channel on the planet leading with doomsday content
And Kris thinks a billion at the box office is…. Generous? 😂
Lol
I havent cared about the MCU for a solid 2 years now and I was a big fan of it before then. Is Doomsday an "event film"? Probably! Do I care? Nope! They haven't earned it and I'm not giving them my money just because its another big team up film from the Russos. Idk ANYONE who still cares about the MCU so if it actually cracks 1B in the box office, I'll be gobsmacked.
My bad Kristian. I don’t usually like to talk about other pundits, but Kris brought him up first so it got me goin. You can delete this if you want
I'm more scared about Doomsday than I have been about any other MCU movie up to this point.
I'm more excited about it than I am for Supergirl but that's only because I've now seen several iterations and interpretations of the DC universe fail.
The MCU, in my mind has no more room for failure, they HAVE TO get this one right, and I'm just scared they won't!!
I also don't worship at the altar
of the Russo Bros...
Have we seen The Electric State?
🤮🤢
The Russo have a track record no other cbm director has achieved so no electric state means nothing
There were ao many times i wanted to throw my phone at the wall hearing all the preposterous things Winston said today 😂 and Kris's Doomsday box office prediction...
I agree with Kris, I think Doomsday making a billion is very optimistic and putting over 2 billion dollars into a movie when you’re last 5 years of movies have been struggling is a horrible idea.
And I know Dune hasn’t performed hugely in the box office but dune part 2 came out in March. I wonder with good marketing and it having a holiday release date if it might get over 700m this time and put up some real competition to Doomsday. Especially because this is the first Dune movie that’s a full movie and not a part one part two situation.
No im sorry but kriss is just wrong, deadpool wolverine made 1.3 billion, not that long ago. You really think Doomsday with all the charcaters and everything it has, will make less than deadpool wolverine?
Destin Daniel Cretton is another person, another cog in the machine of the MCU that I'm not as sold on as everyone else seems to be.
I think Shang-Chi is one of the weakest MCU movies, and I didn't love Wonder Man...
Cautiously optimistic/apprehensive about Spider-Man!!
That's you tho, the majoirty disagree
@mrstrangeworld5977I tend to have my own opinions and thought process...
I'm not a follower, and I don't care about being a part of the "majority"
@MikeAtTheMoviesV2
That's fine, but you stated it as if it was general consensus, when it isn't.
Shang chi was critically acclaimed, a cinema score, and people have been clamoring for a sequel, and when it happens. It will be way better received than the first one box office wise, so to say shang chi was one of the weakest mcu movie.
Maybe for you personally, but every other metric that we can look at, would literally disprove that narrative.
I only brought, that what you said isn't true.
Because I could think, winter solider was terrible. And one of the weakest mcu movies to date, it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Because the majoirty do not feel that way, by every metric winter solider, is a success that goes beyond my personal taste, and it clearly working for them.
Daniel Cretton, is two for two right.
You might have not liked shang chi, and thought wonder man was just ok.
But since it doesn't reflect the reality, of the people. It becomes more of a personal thing, where mcu can deem shang chi a success, even if you don't like the movie. That's what I mean.
I’m sorry but I’m never going to choose Supergirl over Doomsday
Why are you sorry? It’s opinions
Yeah, I guess I don’t want to come off sounding too harsh I guess 🤷🏼♂️🤣 Don’t want the supergirl fans coming after me
@n@npiccolo96ems like it’s the marvel fans coming after Supergirl from the comments
I'm NOT glad Downey and Evans are back...
Have faith in your remaining actors/characters!!!
Stop rehashing everything and relying on nostalgia!!!
Boring comment, if you know anything about the comments. Then you would understand the multiverse saga,/Secret wars is the perfect opportunity to bring back, these charcaters before a reset.
@mrstrangeworld5977 Think you meant comics, and that's fine, but even if I had read them, my opinion would be the same.
@MikeAtTheMoviesV2they focused too much on young avengers and other derivative character crap that nobody likes (yelena, a team of super soldier rejects). If they had followed through on blade, Hercules, black knight, ghost rider, brought back Luke Cage, daredevil, punisher earlier (in movies), they wouldn’t be in this predicament.
@mrstrangeworld5977they're only doing it because they failed at getting people interested in the new generation of characters, so his point still stands. We should've gotten at least a couple of avengers movies with a new cast before they brought the OGs back, instead they bring them back in the very next movie, what a mess
@Zethonring23
That's not why they are doing it, have you even read the comic time runs out and Secret wars? Those are some of the biggest crossover events in comics period.
If they were ever going bring back certain characters, while we are in the Multiverse, right now is the perfect opportunity.
You don't know the story behind Chris Evans return, and it's not like the new characters won't play a role in this upcoming story.
Each new character introduced, already has had their solo project, or been apart of something.
It will be more akin to avengers 1, and when thor met the gotg.
Both times it didnt films upon films, to showcase characters interactions built up, thats why it will be more close to those examples I gave.
And if the avengers Kang Dynasty script, is anything to go off it sounded even worse. Than what we are getting, so again. I strongly disagree.
I think it was a bad decision to keep Sam as Captain America…his film underperformed and let’s be honest will never get better…..he is a supporting character at best just like Antman imo
Disagree
Marvel was doomed when The Eternals showed the direction they were going…Marvel has stumbled ever since and the Thunderbolts and FF was an ok film that was no way an event movies that would build audiences confidence back in Marvel
That's just not true
Instead of making Sam Cap they should’ve just properly made Luke Cage the leader of the New Avengers (Thunderbolts)
No
@mrstrangeworld5977yes.
1:03:56 Endgame NEVER got a re-release. It got one EXPANSION only in the US when it was still in theaters. How is this guy participating in a podcast about cinema and comic book movies and tells such an ignorant take with that amount of sure? 😂
Yh the dude was wrong
Come on, dont be like that, while i agree with some of his takes, anyone make mistakes
@owenharrison761but he didnt even say he was wrong when he looked it up
I think supergirl popularity is right there with the flash
Winston is stupid not to go to Doomsday
There will be so many tears here when Clayface does not hit 120 million. LOL
If there’s a Batman mention in the marketing I think it will. All hinges on that
If it’s good it’ll make that for sure
Supergirl over Doomsday is such a terrible take. There's nothing special about Supergirl and it's gonna be lucky to make 350 million. Doomsday it's gonna be one of the biggest crossover events of all time.
Not sure how it’s a terrible take when it’s just anticipation. It’s not like they’re saying it’s going to make more money lol
29:20 This discussion shouldn't be about Doomsday. It should be about "WHO THE F CARES ABOUT SUPERGIRL?!"
It's like somebody is trying to sell me this idea that Supergirl is some special character. I would prefer to watch James Gunn for 2 hours looking at John Cena kissing his wife than watch Supergirl.
I’ll admit, I don’t always agree with Kristian, but he was on point with his Doomsday prediction.
Overall, I think he has a better gauge of how Doomsday is being perceived and just how hyped people actually are for the film.
Winston having Supergirl over Doomsday… I couldn’t disagree more, but it’s his opinion.
What I don’t get is the whole “Marvel has been so inconsistent” angle, when DC has been far more inconsistent for years.
And Winston didn’t even love Superman. Meanwhile, he loved Thunderbolts, didn’t love Peacemaker, but really loved Wonder Man and Ironheart. Even if he only thought Fantastic Four was “good,” and thought Brave New World, was bad.
But it still sounds more consistent than what DC was putting out prior to Superman.
And sure, someone could say “DC didn’t have James Gunn,” but the same logic applies with “MCU didn’t have the Russos,” who have delivered with basically no misses in the MCU.
But again, it’s his opinion. I just don’t see it staying that way once the official trailers drop and the movie is actually in front of people.
So yeah, today I mostly agree with Kristian on his Doomsday takes.
Because, the whole Doomsday vs Supergirl conversation, in terms of anticipation.
Imo Kristian is basically representing the majority. Supergirl could be great, but in terms of anticipation and hype, it’s not comparable. And I strongly feel Winston and Kriss are going to feel very differently once the official trailer and the movie itself are out.
But this isn't to say that supergirl will be bad, I believe supergirl will be the best female led superhero movie thus far.
And will be better than superman.
I don't think Doomsday budget is a billion, I think at lowest 550 and at most 750.
Definitely not a billion.
I agree. That rumor is out there because of how many people are in the movie. But it's definitely fiscally irresponsible to even cross 600 million never mind 1 billion.
If they did 1 billion it's for both Doomsday and secret wars and probably secret war split.
It's the same for Supergirl, James Gunn is already disputed 200 million so it's probably 160 or something
I heard it was Doomsday and Secret Wars together was a billion which makes more sense.