They BANNED Casters and Caused UPROAR! | Winning Ways RodCast
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- Some venues recently BANNED casters in an attempt to make fishing more affordable, do you think this was the right move? Let us know in the comments below.
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I completely agree with J. On another note the cost of fishing matches and the cost of general living, I have had to reduce from doing 2-3 matches a week down to 1 match a week due to the costs. Gutted about that's how it is and I'd much rather prioritise keeping a roof over my child's head with the heating on and food on the table. Very depressing, but it does make me look forward to fishing more!! 🎣🎣
I was waiting for the guy in the background to relieve himself😂
In matches they should be a bait allowance like they do in the world competitions .
Came to say the same
Shoutout to old mate enjoying his vape on the far bank😆
How are youngsters ever going to afford to compete in the opens, I agree with the caster ban if it means more people can reasonably compete
Hello lads I have challenge for you Just had a session caught a lot of carp 22 on budget baileys number 1 on pellet feeder ,method and hybrid feeder excellent prepaired the night before this is a graham pullen tip this really works well hats off to him 😎🎣
I used to fish Lindholme open matches on Tuesday and Thursdays and enjoyed the opportunity to fish a fantastic venue as well as fish against some of the best commercial anglers. I stopped going for the simple reason. It was no longer cost-effective to fish. I could see no reason to spend £60 on bait, pools, and petrol to try and win £100.00. I do agree, though, that the best anglers will always be better regardless of bait limits. However, spending £30 to have a day's fishing and not to frame is easier to accept. I can remember fishing Woodlands in Thirsk when they bait checked anglers and found 50% of anglers had more than the limits allowed. so it's impossible to manage. I therefore agree with Arron. Fishing is competitive but should also be fun. As soon as volume becomes statistically an advantage, you lose the normal match angler. I always found Lindholme better in late autumn to early spring when you fed minimal bait and worked hard to frame. Lindholme is one of the few venues that have a significant level of anglers, which fish every week, and I am sure Arron discussed his ideas with them 1st before implementing any rule changes. He is thinking about the long-term implications. Banning meat caused issues to begin with but was proven to be right
I have found when it comes to kit, the more you spend, if you spend correctly you only improve your comfort and convenience. My largest chub was on a 15 quid whip. My biggest roach was on a holiday using a telescopic rod. So if you can fish and understand the basics you can catch on almost anything, at any price!
We had this discussion in the 1980 's about jokers and blood worms
MORAL OF THE STORY! YOU CAN'T PLEASE EVERYONE!! EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION.
If it's not bait, it's the pegging, if it's not the pegging, it's a method, if it's not a method, its the expense.
Fighting a losing battle and it's getting worse.
Jamie you hit the nail on the head you can't please everyone I ran a club for years and someone would always moan and kick off over trivial shite Andy your spot on it ain't about the money you win I just like winning that's a prize in itself and bait bans should only be in effect if its a bait that's effecting the overall health of the fish we all fish different ways and different methods so I don't think you can say someone's only winning due to a specific bait it does depend on the time of year but all baits can be effective when used properly
Great shout Scott
havent brought casters or maggots in years about 20-25 years ago when i used to corce fish multiple times a week id buy a gallon of maggots streight from a farm for £1 once a week scary seeing the prices these days,
The clue is in the term 'commercial'. Traditional baits being banned by owners of venues. "Buy ours or get lost". Very very very sad. Shame on them. Heart is broken. 😓😓😓😓
Killing casual angling. No excuse.
The idea of restricting bait is great, however the chance of policing it properly is nigh on impossible. The cost to the fishery alone would totally negate the benefits of the action. Its mainly the higher level matches which I believe attract the anglers who use such large amounts of in this case casters. I think if you can afford to pay the price of the bait so be it. Good Rodcast guys. Cheers
Fishery owners/bailiffs can do what they like its up to them, weird rules like no loose feeding only potting-in or the five or so rules at Bradshaws to combat naughty word rigs with no float on. Must have float, 12 inch lash, no overshotting, backshot cant sink float, cant hold rig out of the water for too long etc, spring to mind.
Ive been fishing seriously for 5 years now, northern lad been around fishing all my life, was bag of bad word, sorted life out, fell in love with fishing blah blah life story etc. And not once have i been rig checked, bait checked or anything like that at any of the top fisheries in the north ive been to.
There should be more policing in general but in particular of pleasure anglers, nowt against them, im first and foremost a pleasure angler, but ive seen some really bad stuff, again at top fisheries in the north, things like throwing big skimmers/bream in the bushes because it was a bit floaty when they put it back in and thought it was dead, using size 8s barbed hooks on lakes where the biggest fish are 7-8 pound carp and the rule is max size 14s barbless, some people know just enough about fishing to be dangerous and they often are dangerous because the rules there for the fishes saftey arent policed.
Its simple pick your venue which suits your budget and style,. If you want to be in the qualifier game then you have to budget for the expected cost if not then you will have a good idea what your outlay is going to be and if you can afford it then happy days.
Every fishery has rules full stop , right or wrong , as anglers we have many options as to where we fish , no one forces us it’s just we hate being told we can’t do what we want
Fishing is as expensive as the individual angler wants to make it,you don't need tons of bait to catch fish,I don't really take that much bait myself,I use the Preston eva bait system changed bait tubs inside so I had 6 of the small tubs in it,one with 6mm pellets,one with 4mm pellets,one with micro/2mm pellets,one with 6mm Robin red pellets,sometimes one a pint of maggots and last one maybe some method mix,and ive never ever used more than a third of my bait,miros probably the one I use more of and I still catch plenty of fish,the thing that annoys me is alot of places we fish banned groundbait altogether not even supposed to use it on a method feeder,so mainly pellets,sweetcorn,wafters etc,great vid guys 🎣🎣🎣
Hayfield Lakes banned Rob Hitchens using his paste in the 90s because he was winning every match on there.
As long as there is no harm to the fish or the water I see no issue with any amount or type of bait used. People should spend as much as you can afford, as unfortunately, we all don't earn as much as each other but that's life. Just go and enjoy your fishing 👍
Well said pal its up to the person who can. I dont but i dont judge peiple who do
Many years ago(50?), a club I belonged to had a big fish kill on one of their waters. They got a diver to go in and have a look and he found heaps of festering groundbait on the bottom and so groundbait got banned. The diver surfaced with cricket ball sized lumps of the stuff. That water was, back then, one of the rare ones where a few carp had been introduced and so I suspect that somewhere they read that if you needed to"fill it in" to catch!
I spent a tenner on a lure 2 years ago and still use it to this day, had perch, chub and pike on it 😊
You shouldn't have to save up for bait
That's an expensive day's fishing 4 pints of casters £25 for match and other baits. I agree with em
I dont participate in matches, but i would rather restrict arteficial baits like popups, zig, cork, or plastic korn, than bait that can be found and is produced by nature.
At the end of the day there's two factors which should be deciding factors. Firstly people will buy the baits and amounts they can afford. Secondly and most importantly ban baits or food that has a detrimental affect on the fish welfare and environment.
Maggots, sweetcorn, meat, some pellets for feed, I also have 4mm trout pellets for feed. A big tin of sweet corn and a tin meat lasts me all day easy. The pellets last me for 4-5 outings. A cheap loaf if you can use bread ................ All cheap as
Bait don’t need to be wasted (may be different for pros). Freeze it and reuse, mags micros gb it will all go again granted the mags don’t move much second time round but they still work
Lol. Good job your not Big Carp fishing.
I'm using 2 kilo of Joker & a Gallon of Chopped Worm / Casters a Day at this time of year.
A couple of Big 40Lb Carp, will hoover that up in one visit.
😂 🤣
When pleasure fishing use what you want, All matches should be pellets only so everyone has a level playing field that’s everywhere in my opinion
What about floating bread
The lad behind classic me on 14 04 ships pole out looks behind looses all bait in his pot and carries on regardless 😂👍🏻
You need gallon maggots at keith place at firswood in summer and local fishing shop as just put them up .
For me , Its a Hobby so i would like to spend whatever it is on bait ect ... no matter what it is to win im going for a good days fishing (hopefully)
It just annoys me when a venue bans everything under the sun. I was looking at one for tomorrow and it said “we have hardly any bait bans”, then list every single thing I bought except the maggots. The wrong brand of ground bait (only
2 brands allowed). I mean, come on!
Curborough is now Bridgeview and all the fish have followed!!
Chris as done a cracking job with Bridgeview I like it there 👍
Very interesting to listening Jamie got it bang on also Andy did
This happened on the middle severn in the early80s ,the man with the most bait and Drawing a (reasonable) peg usually won .Ivan Marks from Leicester used to bring g a guy with him to carry his 10 pints of casters and 10 pints of Hemp every week ,Perhaps a bait limit would be a good idea ?
Saw the same on the Yare a few years back when bream dominated. Most were turning up with a 1/5-1kg of worm, pint of caster and a few hook maggots and it was enough. When people started coming with 4, 5, 6 kg of worm, it was game over.
It’s a selfish act by the fishery owner because he needs to maximize bums on seats . The same happened with Paul Newell and his bread method … expense is an excuse . If there’s a reduction in turnout , the fishery owner intervenes with bans such as these . Certain methods have their day eventually anyway so just let the method (or amount of bait ) take it’s course .
I have/ run a day ticket water and the only ban is barbed hooks .
Where is it, I fancy a bit of that...
@@turbzyangling Dodderhill Pool . Droitwich.
Well a lake full of people throwing in a gallon or more each, can't be good for the water. But I don't see why they couldn't have simply put a quantity limit on.
Can remember just having laurels an willows an a beaches as trout lake brilliant back then fishing Tuesdays Thursdays, sat sun then Friday afternoon matches going back lot ov years lot ov paste fishing back then corn, then fermented Pigeon conditioner took off an band meat got band talking alot more than 5 years ago
Then put a 4 pint limit on. Everyone is in the same boat then guys, and imo 10 pints of casters or pellets been hooved In by 40 anglers isn't gonna be great for water nutrient levels.
same uproar years ago when they banned bloodworm and joker but yes its nice to see fisheries trying to keep anglers on the bank by reducing costs But its the same in most sports there is always folk with deep pockets willing to spend 10 times more to try and win
Our club put a ban on bread this season and now they are all moaning that they aren’t catching fish this winter
Funny accent when you're from a different country "When they banned meat" I heard as "When they banned me" and I was wondering why they'd banned Andy 🤣
To add to the meat ban and weights increasing after banning. Meat is roughly 30% fat, carp have very little dietary need for fats and can't digest it efficiently. Therefore meat fills them up quicker and for longer. Whereas pellets are formulated for the fish to get the maximum nutritional value and digestive efficiency therefore with more pellets going in fish are eating more and more often and as a direct result more fish are caught and weights increase.
Be interesting to try a match where you pay for your pools and a bait pack inclusive in the price - maybe £15 for the bait pack tops and you have a choice of what goes in it?
East Bilney Lakes in Norfolk are doing exactly that. Every angler gets the same amount of bait at the start, which is discounted by the fishery anyway. Win win.
Will they not just bring a gallon of maggots instead?
yes but they are around £1.50 pp cheaper
@@azzlandy yes sorry I misunderstood the what was going on,I have replied on another thread in total support of what you are trying to do.
the forcing of fishery only pellets is like going back to the days of every county having its own fishing licence, it gets expensive if you want to try different fisheries not being able to use last weeks left overs at this weeks fishery, why can't they get together (in a local area) and have a common supply to help the angler out
They almost certainly do use the same pellets mate. They'll be skrettin's or coppins. Delivered by the same company.
@@sjmclean0 yeah they most likely doo but my local 2 fisheries put different colour markers in them so you can't use next doors fishery pellets, I'm starting to use other fisheries now that don't put restrictions on
The mandatory use of fishery pellets has only got one reason behind it. To make the fishery more money. That’s why anglers 'dodge' this rule so much and it is why the fishery will police it. It is to the fishery's advantage to do so.
Regarding casters, it is only the big boys who will even have a gallon of casters available so this ban only affects those few elite anglers. Initially you would think that as an 'average Joe' this whole debate is about something that simply doesn’t normally affect me. But it is the secondary affect that the fishery is considering, and it is money. Always money. The problem arises when the fish become obsessed with a bait and you MUST throw a gallon of casters at them. Then the average angler is going to stay away because they cannot catch without that amount of bait. Jamie said it, if you don’t like it go elsewhere. Suddenly the fishery becomes affected by falling attendance and explores the introduction of a ban. This is just the big boys spoiling fishing for everyone else.
A successful fishery can survive by being a mecca for the big boys. Lots of matches, high attendance, loads of tackle and bait sold on site. However if they rely on the 'average Joe' to bring in revenue they simply have to make the place attractive to all anglers, not just the elite. The clue is in the name. A ‘commercial' fishery is primarily a business to make money. Whatever it takes.
This is why I left commercial fisherys.... Stupid rules... Always winning methods BANED....
A quick one for Jamie, if you're not going to prep too many micro's, what are you going to make the obligatory 'dog poo's 'with😂😂😂
Hi lads I'm sure if the fishery was selling you the casters you could use 20 pints
As the name of these venues implies, commercial fishery, it’s likely to be more expensive than fishing the local reservoir, where you’d get by with a bag of ground bait and a pint of maggots. If you want to pay it pay if you don’t or can’t, then don’t. Personal choice should be the rule here, as long as fish are happy!
Great podcast guys on an important subject. The cost of bait is crippling for some people myself included so i choose the baits i can afford and get value for money from, but i wil not take a cheap pop at the guys and girls that are sponsored they are where they are because they are the best in the sport plus dont these guys and girls help develop and test the very tackle we all use day in day out, and i am sponsored BY MY WIFE 🤣 We need a united front on all aspects of the sport after is it not THE BEST HOBBY/SPORT on the planet and on the bait front if every body use bait A that doesnt mean someone using bait B isnt going win they have just given Freddie Fish a different meal to eat than Tom Dick and Harry. Fishing is a battle of wits against the fish NOT each other. It is great sport and great for mental health so if bans are not for you then simply dont go that venue and go where you can fish YOUR way. Anyway rant over Tight lines to one and all whatever bait you use 🎣🎣🎣
Very well said. We all have the option to vote with our feet.
10 quid day ticket, 3 quid per bag of pellets... it soon adds up.
Stupid cost for bait these days ,I've used birds seed alot this year
Hi guys White Acres has banned meat for everyone, But you can use it in matches, is that really fare one the anglers who go just to enjoy a weeks fishing?
Not all matches just in a few festivals .
Problem is ppl dint stick to rules and can't police everyone fisheries have enough work
fish for your day and enjoy
And there was me thinking I was over doing it with 1/4 pint of casters.
Regarding fishery pellets I’d be happy to pay a £2 surcharge to give them their bait profit just so could use my favourite pellets I know and trust, lets be fair fishery pellets are just to squeeze more dosh out of us for pellets we wouldn’t buy or use 👍
the legend Mike Mason once told me " i only have bait bans for my fishes welfare" . i only have limits to stop stupidity. take a look at Woodland view in the midlands, seems he got it right.
How can you attract anglers into the match circuit if the bait bill is extortionate... tackle costs are getting ridiculous and to compete at top level needs a fair bit of gear... add to that a mega bait bill and you don't need to wonder why match numbers are falling off...🤷
I read people commenting that sponsored anglers get all their bait paid for and anglers on a budget can't compete with them as a result in big matches. I sure that's wrong and a massive assumption.
These 2 ain't in the real world when bait and tackle is free
Maggot matches only!
Surely more bait going in feeds the fish, the fish grow, am I wrong 🤔
The complainers are the ones that think only sponsored anglers should be able to enter these matches
Bring in bans for being over the bait limit that will stop them, us guys in the carp world get instant life bans for using the wrong type of hook its simple just ban the people that dont wanna follow the rules, it will also clean up the anglers your fishing against, as for policing it do random spot checks its upto the anglers if they wanna risk getting caught but they will run out of luck at some point
They say about helping out with the cost of living how about drop the price of the opens ??
I fish the odd match now.still win(70) years.bloodworm and joker bans . Cause to expensive. Its allways the anglers who can not catch. Who bans bait.my view. Is.the pay outs now are so crap.5 pints caster worms pellet groundbait. In 80 quid.not for me
Bait limits like in International events is the answer.
Like going to seaside and not having fish and chips and a ice cream
Agreeing or disagreeing with the ban doesent matter every fishery in the country has rules you either fish under them or not I dare say the owner has done their sums and this rule will not impact on the business only time will tell
12pts of bronze maggots on the Trent in the 80s was normal
When they were tuppence hapenny .
In matches. Why not just put a bait limit on casters or any other bait. 10 pt maximum limit. Only maximum 5pt of one bait. And 1kg groundbait. Fair for everyone and the fishery not getting ruined by excess bait laying on the bottom rotting away.
years ago some people took jokers and bloodworm and the other anglers didnt have them so they banner them hemp is another thing they banned then a couple of years it was fine to use it if a person wants to spend a lot of money on his bait it should be up to the person concerned total rubbish ?
Just do a combined max weight of allocated bait.
Limit the chop worms brigade ,,,folk taking 3 kg to chop and pot in ,,buying your win we call it 😳
I have noticed a massive increase in price it’s ok when your sponsored and can afford to just throw pints and pints into the water it’s not about sacrifice these days it’s about more important things to buy. But I do agree why ban it it’s just not fair.
They banned them because people who can win matches with them they banned sweet corn and luncheon meat at gold Valley one year as it was winning big matches it will push people away so the people who organise the matches will lose out
£4.50 a Pint is too much.
All about cost if people fish 3 times a week there won't have much change out of £120 bills it's to much people will stay away which means the fishery losing out bit like the bloodworm and joker days if you couldn't get it you couldn't compete commercials have to tread very carefully as for pasteheads there baitbill will give you change out of a £10
As your sponsored anglers is your bait supplied. And as Andy said sacrifice something, do you Andy sacrifice anything probaly no because you would not need to.
Not maggots, casters, worms or anything like that, we have to pay just like you do so know how expensive it can get.
Should be no bait bans perhaps there should be a limit.
But the real answer is vote with your feet of you don't like the rules don't go
Haha come on Andy , it's easy when you don't pay for tackle and are sponsored by a top brand you can buy your buckets of casters 😂😂
Silly comment. Andy only got sponsorship by being good. How many years did he spend honing his skills paying subs petrol etc before he became a successful pro angler. I love angling and can fish at a good standard. But these guys like Andy have commitment and focus on another level that I could not commit to. He's got the balls to do it and myself., yourself and millions of others have not.
Get a grip. Beer cost about the same a pint as casters … many blokes drink and neck at least 4 pints of beer at the weekend week in week out (Let’s not even get into the price of ciggies) so a guy wants to spend the equivalent of someone’s beer intake a week on casters then that’s got to be better for his health … guys can spend what they earn on what they want as far as I’m concerned 👍
These guys definitely blast 10 pints of casters every Sunday 😂
Think about THIS you try and run off 30 Galls of Casters each match its a lot of Work!
Can not see the point in bait bands my self I don't use casters to expensive like Andy seid 2pints of maggets last a week or more as a pensioner you fish what you can afford great banter thight lines
When Lindholme banned meat is when everything switched onto casters 😂
I can still pleasure fish Lindholm, Heronbrook out of bounds for us pleasure anglers who supported this fishery from the start 🤬🤬🤬🤬
Yeh but they are always bending the rules --- casters allowed they float them even though floating baits arent allowed - 1 foot float to hook they lower the bait in slowly so they can catch at 3 inches. Etc Etc. Its not the bait banning it is the CHEATING mind that is the problem. Even if the fishery said we deliver a set amount of bait to each angler at the outset of the match, people will still cheat.
Why do these venues have so many matches on them?
to pay the bills
That guy in the background has caught nothing!
Bans bans bans its gettin unreal if you think about it. If it doesnt harm the fish and only anglers pocket then let people spend there cash on how they like.look at the bans now and past its a cycle which happens all the time eg blood worm/joker floating pole feed in pole pot only the lenght of pole no floaters etc etc etc. Fish welfare should be the number on not if somebody is winning ir having a good days fishing. A good days fishing is more important
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A. Becomes a carp angler
Can't beat a bit of camping ⛺️
Maggots just as good as casters anyway and lindy
Sponsored Anglers there's your problem end of.
ban meat buy pellets ,ban casters buy pellets win win
I think it boils down to how far we see this sport going. Reducing the price of match angling is a viable step to bringing young anglers in.
I don’t see why they can’t police bait limits harder. Limiting bait would add yet another layer of skill to this sport… no you can’t lob handfuls of caster all match but you can use 1.5 pints. This now leaves anglers guessing on their caster timing which would be a skill.
Bait should be limits across the range, no more than 6 pints of any loose feed. that will be less costs to the anglers, then its down to who can fish the best.
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