I am terribly sorry for the delay in the the release of this video, but a few days ago I experienced an unexpected computer crash that erased all my progress and forced me to completely restart the editing process. Thank-you for your patience and again I apologize
Its completely fine Evan! Life can get in the way, not to mention that VS series videos take 10-20 hrs to make and unexpected computer problems can be a bitch! Always in-depth and entertaining! Keep up the great work!
I love how Corran made his lightsaber from a speeder bike handle so he could easily switch to the longer blade. And how awesome is it his main blade is silver!!?
Even despite result being quite obvious (combatants skills suggested it'll be simply a lightsaber duel and Horn basically outright annihilates most strenght oriented opponents) you made good notes on theor strenghts and weaknesses, making your video really good to watch. Good job and keep the videos coming :)
Agreed, this one was never going to be an interesting match-up in terms of outcome, but the two characters work well as a joint examination. That and Evan's passion can make anything interesting.
I liked this video. Not because of the content, but because of the originality and articulation of the script. And the pace is nice. I think you should do your versus series matches like this more often. Just my opinion, but well done.
Just to clarify before I get mauled by angry darksiders, when Evan and I say "Masters of Form I didn't think", we meant when they are at peak performance. We're not denying the likes of Kit Fisto's tactical ingenuity, he can and does think in combat, but true Shii-Cho masters cannot operate at the form's highest level without giving themselves over to randomised and wild movement, flowing with the currents of the Force. To try and consciously think about what your doing when going for randomisation is to sabotage your efforts. That being said, we don't believe Warb Null uses the philosophy of Shii-Cho, simply the technique's movesets, using the form as the foundation to build his own approach to lightsabre combat, so it's a general comment on the Form we were making, nothing particularly relevant to Null's own application of it.
Actually your assessment is basically confirmed in the Old EU. BEGIN CITATION Kit sat heavily, his smooth green forearms resting on his knees, sensor tendrils curling and questing like a nest of angry sand vipers. “I should have gone closer to the edge,” he said, the irises within the unblinking eyes expanding until they appeared to glow. “Released myself into the Force, become more unpredictable. More … random. Obi-Wan heard the concern in the Nautolan’s voice. Form I was wild, raw … and deadly. It also required too much emotional heat for Obi-Wan’s taste. “That would have been dangerous,” he said, choosing his words carefully. “Not to your body, perhaps, but to your spirit.” Kit looked up at him, irises contracting again. “It is the way of Form One. END CITATION Source: The Cestus Deception
I'm starting to read some of the stuff from the Clone Wars multimedia project. I've read Shatterpoint, Yoda: Dark Rendezvous, Labyrinth of Evil, and I'm about half way through Cestus Deception. Kinda wished I was more into it ten years ago, but I was more of a post-RotJ guy.
The only problem with doing Grievous is he doesn't possess any Force abilities. He was trained in Lightsaber combat and thats about it. And he a brilliant tactician.
Warb Null could beat Savage Opress, he could beat Clone Wars-era K'Kruhk, but a member of the Jedi Council? That seems unlikely. Corran Horn has clearly fought more dangerous opponents. Yeah, Ulic managed to take down Null with speed and agility, but Corran has more than that. He is both a master of the blade and a master in the Force. Wisdom can triumph over brute strength any day. Why not have Corran face a much smarter Sith warrior like Darth Maul?
Because he’d get absolutely flattened by Darth Maul. NJO masters & council members other than Luke are literally nowhere near the same level as a clone wars era master or council member. Nowhere near the same level of swordmasters that the prequel era Jedi were. George Lucas very clearly said the clone wars/prequel era Jedi were at their martial peak, above all other eras in the order’s history. The NJO literally didn’t even know what the 7 classic forms even WERE until just before the Vong War; Which each one would’ve taken YEARS to relearn and master. Which is why it gets on my nerves when this kid is always saying “he’s a form 4 master” or “he’s a form 5 master” when referring to NJO Jedi. NO tf they are not. They used either the 3 rings, or strong/medium/fast styles. That’s it. Other than Luke there WERE no “masters” of any of the actual, classic lightsaber forms. Like Kyle Katarn was not a form 4 & 5 master. Not at all.. He didn’t even know what those forms were. He very clearly mastered the 3 styles of the NJO that HE helped create. Which are basically watered down versions of forms 1 or 6, but nowhere near as complex as the classic forms.. The NJO Jedi were just not on the same level as the last Jedi of the old order. Kit Fisto or Mace Windu would absolutely slaughter Corran Horn or Kyle Katarn. Absolutely slaughter them. Especially Anakin & Yoda. Luke is the only one that could hang with them, and even then, he still isn’t the swordmaster his father or Yoda were.. Like Lucas said, they lived during the era of the greatest swordmasters in galactic history; an era packed full of master level duelists & martial artists.
@@dazdavis7896 I heavily disagree. THe Old Jedi Order were the "Prime" of the Jedi measured against the Original Films (Ben Kenobi or Luke [ca. Battle of Endor]). Since Lucas was involved in "The Phantom Menace" there are hundreds of other material from Lucas himself or more authors that claim Luke's Order surpassed their predecessors, that Luke himself was equal or beyond other Jedi Masters, or we can break-down the cold hard facts opposed to individual statements. 1) The NJO was involved in 6 Galactic-scale conflicts within Luke's own lifetime -the Galactic Civil War (even after the Emperor's final death, Imperial facts fragmented in warlords who continued to make a lot of trouble for the New Republic). -The Yuzzhan Vong War. -The Swarm War -The 2nd Galactic Civil War. -The Abeloth Crisis. -The Return of the Lost Tribe of the Sith. NJO masters including Corran Horn were much more active and battle-hardened than any of the Old Jedi Order Masters. 2) The OJO were extremely dogmatic and passive, to the extent that the widespread collapse of the Republic, and Ascension of the Sith happened right under their noses since they were too close-minded and rejected anything hint or trace of the Dark Side or Sith, or how Jedi could even fail. -Galadran, the Hukk/Kaleesh war and the Yinchorii uprising were 3x strong cases where the Jedi were involved from political machinations at the behest of corrupt institutions, did nothing with the fall-out and left individual people worse-off for it. Luke's Jedi Order was a very active part of the New Republic or the Galactic Alliance, to the extent that individual members would have part-time careers in the military, with planetary governments or watch closely at the fall-out of large-scale events. They were not always successful, and Kenth Hamner's appeasement policies were almost disastrous, but they did recognize when they made a wrong choice and were conscientious of the fall-out. The OJO would always just hand-wave it as "the will of the Force," and go back to their temple and meditate. For Darth Maul vs. Corran Horn. -Horn does have some disabilities towards telekinesis; however the magnitude of his alternative powers are in the Grand Master league: channeling multiple build-scale explosions into the illusion of a Giant Jedi, drawing-in the thermal energy of a volcano to hold an avalanche for several minutes, and he can catch a lightsaber blade (only 2x non-Celestial Force-wielders have ever done that: Satele Shan & Corran himself). -Horn's duelling skills are the most unique in the franchise, since he is a top-tier duelist with a standard blade, and THE most proactive Trakata practitioner of the entire franchise (multipel duels with Trakata used, not a one-off). Even beyond that, Corran has fought Jensaarai, Yuzzhan Vong, and his regular sparring partners would include other NJO legends: Kyle Katarn, Saba Sabetyne, Kenth Hamner, Kyp Durron, Mara Jade Skywalker, Kam Solusar, and even GM Luke Skywalker. Nobody who is sparring with these people on semi-regular basis is weak. Darth Maul is extremely skilled, but ultimately his sparring opponent would include Darth Sidious (who always held-back) and assassin droids. Maul has an impressive magnitude, but he lacks any esoteric powers that Corran carries, and neither does he leverage telekensis in a way to defeat Corran (multiple thrown objects as Count Dooku or Darth Vader would use). Corran has engaged individual with peculiar weapons for his entire life, leaving the shock-value of a sabre-staff off the table. Furthermore, Corran conducts himself as a fencer would: position, leverage, parry/riposte, or thrust. In a technical sense, he's almost the NJO's equivalent of Shaak Ti's duelling skills, which is an advantage against a martial-arts and part-time swordsmen like Darth Maul. Maul is in much better physical shape than Horn. Their duelling skills make an interesting dynamic, but Corran's calculated use of trakata could break a stalemate between them. However once you evaluate their Force-powers, it's a done deal in Corran's favour. Horn could distract Maul with illusions since the latter has no material to indicate he could recognize and break telepathic powers of Corran's league, or Corran can catch and hold one blade of Maul's sabre-staff, and cut the weapon in-half, or cut stab Maul through his heart.
Stopping lightsaber like stopping litesaber, Horn survived a friggin' explosion, saved entire district by redirecting all the energy to the sky and used it's power to plant illusion in all of the district citizens. Catching a lightsaber seems really small compared to that :)
This fight seems a little one sided to me, A Jedi council member against a barely note worthy Sith warrior? I agree with the analysis but the match seems a bit mismatched.
I just had a bit of a nostalgia hit rewatching this. I spend decades reading books involving people like Corran Horn, Kyp Durron, Kyle Katarn, Lumiya and so on. I loved the New Jedi Order Timeline stories. So many years of story telling went into the classic EU, and now we`ll never see some of the stories finished. What happened to Jaden Korr, did it ever have any consequences that he was a clone? To what hights would Jaina and Ben rise? What happened to the lost tribe of the Sith? I am still sad that we won`t ever find out, and that we are now settled with a poor bunch of "new" stories that can`t even hope to do something that hasn`t already happened in some form or another in the classic EU. And I just can`t get into the "new" stuff, all those characters that I loved are now gone, I lost my connection to Star Wars :/ at least they are keeping some of the pre-clone-wars era EU, I hope they`ll make Revan definitive canon.
Is there enough information on bardan's skillset ? Has he ever been depicted in a serious duel ? I don't remember any . If we had more information it would ve a very interesting matchup
@Wes Bradley-Taubner the thing is we don't know. We have never seen bardan take place in a single serious lightsaber duel. We don't know what form he uses, what are his responses in combat what are his force abilities nothing.
@Wes Bradley-Taubner yeah of course i agree I can't see him being stronger than someone like kyle. But i will say that he would probably be pretty damn good since he is a jedi mandalorian with like 40 years worth of training. He should be a beast but not kyle-corran-kyp level
EvanNova95 it's cool for the wait because as we all know how important patients are especially in the Star Wars Universe. I have thought it over and few things have come to mind. Battles: Darth Sidious vs Darth Krayt Darth Vader vs Darth Malgus Obi-Wan vs Kyle Katarn or Obi-Wan vs Darth Nihilus Stories: Obi Wan Kenobi, Luke Skywalker, Darth Sidious, or even Boba Fett Plus I thought of something interesting. Stories of some of the greatest battles in Star Wars history like the Battles of Yavin, Endor, Genosis, The Star Forge, Korriban, The Clone Wars etc. I know it looks like a while bunch like I said I'm just throwing it out there. JUst keep up the good work and I'll awaits to see what comes next
I'll be blunt, the only good idea you suggested was the telling of significant battles. Diamond Boys had it right, except he forgot to add that Nihilus would win against Kenobi too. And regarding the stories you suggested Evan should do, they're all really bad ideas, sorry. Why would he tell the stories of characters whose stories are some of the most well known in Star Wars lore? It'd be a waste of time for everybody. And with Boba Fett, practically all of his canon outside of his movie and TV appearances has been retconned, so there's no point in telling his story yet, because there'd be practically nothing canonical to tell. I'll end things on a good note though. Really, your idea for telling the stories of significant battles in galactic history... that is a really good and original idea.
Great video evan I'm a huge fan of your work. I would like to make a suggestion on A future video, I think Darth Krayt vs Darth Tyrannus would be a great battle both are former Jedi turned Sith Lords and both appear in a wide variety of media so please think about it and if possible tell me what you think of the idea
Nah, Im sure any force wielder can use it. I mean, it does involve the power of the force being channelled through their muscles, so I don't see why Horn couldn't use it.
He can't use the force to levitate himself. This error was because at the time it hadn't been established that Jedi can augment their physical abilities with the force but that they can do those flips and jumps by using tk to basically flt
Wow Corran Horn sounds like exactly what I would be like as a Jedi, kind of a mixture of form 1 and 4 if you think about it with some elements of form 6 defence
As I think I've said before, Evan, you should consider your versus match-ups more carefully. I called this from just reading the title of the video. Still a good video as always, but just personally, I like watching these videos when I don't really have an idea of who would win. For example, with this video, I just skipped to the end result.
Great video, I've been waiting for one with Corran Horn! Have you ever thought about doing a battle with a Yuuzhan Vong on one or both sides? I can see how it would be very different and probably harder, but I'd be really interested to see it.
Hey Evan, it would be really cool if you matched up, jedi knight, Anikan Skywalker and Darth Maul. I really want to see your perspective on who would win if the two ever crossed blades. Oh and if I might add, in the Star Wars episode 3 revenge of the sith novelization, Anikan was depicted using force fury or force rage with red aura around him, when he fought Darth Tyruanus. I add this because in other videos when Darth Vader is describe from previous history until his death, it is never stated that this power was in his arsenal as a jedi knight, I say jedi because I haven't read anything show casising this ability when he fully became Darth Vader. Anyways, think about, I hope you like the idea.
As per usual, I really appreciate the highly focused and analytical approach you take to these match-ups. Another fine display of your skill as an analyst. Good work! Now, on a sidebar, as I mentioned in my comment on a different video, I'd like to somehow get in touch with you and bounce a few ideas off of you. (Sorry if I'm being a bit vague or cryptic.) Anyhow, if you would be willing to get in touch, let me know and we'll work out the finer details then. If you have some sort of personal policy against this, that's fine, just let me know and I'll go bother someone else. But finally, I would be remiss if I did not reiterate that I am a fan of your work and I'm always waiting on the edge of my seat for your next upload. Cheers!
qawsedf234 And unlike for example, Kreia praising Tulak Hord, Lumiya actually knew Vader because she was Vader's apprentice, so her words have far more credence to them than Kreia's on Hord.
I would be highly interested by your take on non-force user fights, with fighters like General Grievous or Pre Vizsla to non-sword wielders like Mandalorians. Maybe use fighters like Mandalore the Ultimate, the Fetts, Durge, other skilled Bounty Hunters or even Yuuzhan Vang warriors like Shimrra Jamaane the Supreme Overlord. Would love to see a fight between both skillful tacticians General Grievous and Mandalore the Ultimate or Bounty Hunters Durge and Boba Fett.
I know you probably get a lot of requests, and that I requested this before, but Warb Null versus General Grievous. The biggest reason not to was Warb Null's relative lack of speed compared to General Grievous, except Warb Null uses Shi Cho which gave Kit Fisto an advantage when he fought Grievous. Furthermore the general lack of speed can reasonably be balanced by Grievous' lack of Force abilities. C'mon. It'll be fun, it'll be fun, it'll be fun.
Nice video, as usual! Maybe after season one of Rebels ends, maybe you could do a verses video with the Inquisitor? Please? Maybe you could have him vs. Maul?
After hearing about Corran Horn's unorthodox Force abilities, I would absolutely love to see a versus between Corran Horn and Jax Pavan (As Pavan appeared during his fight against Darth Vader, after having absorbed the information from Ramage's Holocron.)
These two are almost completely new to me. Sorry, I don't study everyone in the Star Wars universe So let's just see how this goes. 21:27-It's always good to see the hot Old Lady do her Jedi thing and dominate oponents. Okay, back to the battle. 31:34-I do like the long handled lighsaber he has. That thing is cool to have. It's not Vader's or nothing but it's still up there on the cool-o-meter.
Great video as always, totally agree with the verdict. I have two questions: 1. Do you think someone like Kyle Katarn who states that force abilities are neither good or evil would stand by his statement in a way that he would even use it against another lightsider? 2. What do you think about Corran Horn and Kyp Durran vs Plo Koon and Kit Fisto? Is there an obvious victor or is it worth a closer look?
1. If necessary Yes, he uses any tool he can to get the Job done. 2. Kyp Durron (I actually did that match a while back), Plo Koon though with difficulty
EvanNova95 Interesting. Thank you for the answer! About the suggestions I think you misunderstood me. I meant a team battle where Koon and Fisto fight Horn and Durron. Two Jedi that were primarily swordfighters and users of the same style and two Jedi that were very good all- rounders. I have seen the match between Durron and Horn, that is why I want to know how they would fight as a team against Koon and Fisto.
4 things you must do: 1.Darth Cadeus vs Darth Maul 2.Leia Organa Solo Vs Darth Zannah 3.Darth Sidious vs Darth Krayt or Nihilus 4.Sora Bulq vs Pong Krell PLZ!!!! ;)
In my opinion this was a fairly easy battle for horn. I think a better one would be asajj ventress vs Horn:) since asajj is weak to mind based power and horn is weak to telekinesis but martial arts wise they seem equals considering the people ventress has fought
I dont know if he would solidly beat her because ventress has contended with jedi like Mace Windu on occasions. If she could hold her own against him he can definitely hold her own against horn.
Darth Bane By solidly beat her, I didn't mean easily, I meant he would almost certainly win. That doesn't mean he would almost certainly win without any difficulty though. I think she'd present a good challenge, but I couldn't see her winning (in a fair fight at least).
Evan and Jensaarai don't like to use non-force sensitive characters. Could be wrong, but I think that's why you don't see them use Jango Fett, Boba Fett, or Grievous.
I would even say, that a dark side use of the force as base method to channel the force absolutely prevents the optimal use of form one cuz that method works by means of asserting control over it. That's fundamentally opposed to giving up nearly or all control n basicly surrender to the flow of the force. Though i also think that he could likely have used form 5 rather than one, which is just as fitting to his frame n perfectly suited for a dark side fuled tank like fighter who doesn't have to waste much thought on defense at all. Not just would he think so probably due to reliance on the armor, but the way he got killed seems to proof that to b the case about him.
i think a good idea would be lowbacca vs either jerec carnor jax or desann all from the NJO era and obscure rarely used characters and i think it would be interesting
Red Pyro Actually Carnor Jax versus Maris Brood might be an even match up. All these latest videos have been easy to predict. And I'd like to see some lesser known characters like Jarek, Bok, Yun, Sariss, Gorc & Pic, Desann. Anything that's not easily predictable. PLEASE!!!
Brian Nemlich yeah that might actually be a very good idea and one thing i just thought of jerec and desann vs kyle at the point of his duel with caedus
I have experience with a few different weapons and I feel compelled to present something. The efficient use of a lightpike is only inefficient if the user has no idea what they're doing. The user is likely using a pike because they like it and are capable of using it to a comparable degree to their peers. For example: I can use a standard bo staff pretty well, using both ends to batter my enemy and defend but then if I slide my hands back close to one end I can jab and slash with one end and have a defensive side right next to my body making me potentially untouchable. The only reason a lightpike or other weapons with extended handles would be hampered would be if the handle was not made of a lightsaber resistant material and they tried to block with it and end up getting their weapon destroyed and themselves killed. Real-life example being trying to block a katana's blade with a rattan bo staff, rattan itself is a durable cousin to bamboo but it just isn't up to par. A weapon's only fault/failure lies in the user, not the tool.
Coran Horn has a huge weakness in Jedi/Sith Battles. He has no telekenetic ability at all. His illusion skills are his only defence to that. He therefore could be disarmed of his lightsaber at any point or even fall victim to direct force attacks for which his only defence is illusion. It is very double edged for him as his defence to force attacks is to mask himself in the force and project illusions of his possition and the success or failurer of the opponent attacks whilst maneuvering to strike his oponent.
Cant believe this video is 2 years old. But in hindsight, Corran Horn is a lot more dangerous then many people believe. Considering his ancestor Nejaa Halcylon can block+absorb lightsabers with tutaminis is a feat that Corran Horn (who I believe is stronger than Nejaa) should be able to pull off and he stands as 1 of the greatest tutaminis masters in the EU. I don't remember when this happened but Corran Horn can use tutaminis to absorb tk energy and raise his force wall as a result which means he kind of like Kenobi. Passively, he sucks. Period. But his active def is a lot stronger than people think. Which made this matchup a mismatch for Warb Null. In a overall sense, I see Horn as a tier 2 council master (only due to his tk issues).
Galen Marek vs Darth Caedus, also im confused as to whether galen is more of a lightsaber combat specialist(guardian) or more of a force wielder (consular)
I am terribly sorry for the delay in the the release of this video, but a few days ago I experienced an unexpected computer crash that erased all my progress and forced me to completely restart the editing process. Thank-you for your patience and again I apologize
Its okay I always appreciate the content
I know the forms of Kanan inquisitor and Ezra kanan and ezra form 3 and inqisotor form 2
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Its completely fine Evan! Life can get in the way, not to mention that VS series videos take 10-20 hrs to make and unexpected computer problems can be a bitch! Always in-depth and entertaining! Keep up the great work!
Luudo kresh (excuse spelling) vs opo rancisis plz... I dont have either name in front of me...
Thanks for this, man! Corran is my favorite, always love more videos on him.
I love how Corran made his lightsaber from a speeder bike handle so he could easily switch to the longer blade.
And how awesome is it his main blade is silver!!?
Epic one !!! Kyle Katarn and Jaden Korr vs. Jerec and Desann !! A lot Jedi Knight fans will like to see this :D
Even despite result being quite obvious (combatants skills suggested it'll be simply a lightsaber duel and Horn basically outright annihilates most strenght oriented opponents) you made good notes on theor strenghts and weaknesses, making your video really good to watch.
Good job and keep the videos coming :)
Agreed, this one was never going to be an interesting match-up in terms of outcome, but the two characters work well as a joint examination. That and Evan's passion can make anything interesting.
Reti4 Hard not to agree here as I already told that :)
I liked this video. Not because of the content, but because of the originality and articulation of the script. And the pace is nice. I think you should do your versus series matches like this more often. Just my opinion, but well done.
Just to clarify before I get mauled by angry darksiders, when Evan and I say "Masters of Form I didn't think", we meant when they are at peak performance. We're not denying the likes of Kit Fisto's tactical ingenuity, he can and does think in combat, but true Shii-Cho masters cannot operate at the form's highest level without giving themselves over to randomised and wild movement, flowing with the currents of the Force. To try and consciously think about what your doing when going for randomisation is to sabotage your efforts.
That being said, we don't believe Warb Null uses the philosophy of Shii-Cho, simply the technique's movesets, using the form as the foundation to build his own approach to lightsabre combat, so it's a general comment on the Form we were making, nothing particularly relevant to Null's own application of it.
Actually your assessment is basically confirmed in the Old EU.
BEGIN CITATION
Kit sat heavily, his smooth green forearms resting on his knees, sensor tendrils curling and questing like a nest of angry sand vipers. “I should have gone closer to the edge,” he said, the irises within the unblinking eyes expanding until they appeared to glow. “Released myself into the Force, become more unpredictable. More … random.
Obi-Wan heard the concern in the Nautolan’s voice. Form I was wild, raw … and deadly. It also required too much emotional heat for Obi-Wan’s taste. “That would have been dangerous,” he said, choosing his words carefully. “Not to your body, perhaps, but to your spirit.” Kit looked up at him, irises contracting again. “It is the way of Form One.
END CITATION
Source: The Cestus Deception
qawsedf234 Man I love Kit's portrayal in that scene. The delivery of "It is the way of Form I" in the audio-book is perfect.
I'm starting to read some of the stuff from the Clone Wars multimedia project. I've read Shatterpoint, Yoda: Dark Rendezvous, Labyrinth of Evil, and I'm about half way through Cestus Deception. Kinda wished I was more into it ten years ago, but I was more of a post-RotJ guy.
Warb Null vs Grievous would be interesting.
Oh, and great video EvanNova.
I agree. I kind of need to see that.
The only problem with doing Grievous is he doesn't possess any Force abilities. He was trained in Lightsaber combat and thats about it. And he a brilliant tactician.
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AND he's incredibly physically capable of taking on the toughest of opponents.
Warb Null could beat Savage Opress, he could beat Clone Wars-era K'Kruhk, but a member of the Jedi Council? That seems unlikely. Corran Horn has clearly fought more dangerous opponents. Yeah, Ulic managed to take down Null with speed and agility, but Corran has more than that. He is both a master of the blade and a master in the Force. Wisdom can triumph over brute strength any day.
Why not have Corran face a much smarter Sith warrior like Darth Maul?
I've never been able to read the comics but what i've heard its better than canon
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Because he’d get absolutely flattened by Darth Maul. NJO masters & council members other than Luke are literally nowhere near the same level as a clone wars era master or council member. Nowhere near the same level of swordmasters that the prequel era Jedi were. George Lucas very clearly said the clone wars/prequel era Jedi were at their martial peak, above all other eras in the order’s history. The NJO literally didn’t even know what the 7 classic forms even WERE until just before the Vong War; Which each one would’ve taken YEARS to relearn and master. Which is why it gets on my nerves when this kid is always saying “he’s a form 4 master” or “he’s a form 5 master” when referring to NJO Jedi. NO tf they are not. They used either the 3 rings, or strong/medium/fast styles. That’s it. Other than Luke there WERE no “masters” of any of the actual, classic lightsaber forms. Like Kyle Katarn was not a form 4 & 5 master. Not at all.. He didn’t even know what those forms were. He very clearly mastered the 3 styles of the NJO that HE helped create. Which are basically watered down versions of forms 1 or 6, but nowhere near as complex as the classic forms.. The NJO Jedi were just not on the same level as the last Jedi of the old order. Kit Fisto or Mace Windu would absolutely slaughter Corran Horn or Kyle Katarn. Absolutely slaughter them. Especially Anakin & Yoda. Luke is the only one that could hang with them, and even then, he still isn’t the swordmaster his father or Yoda were.. Like Lucas said, they lived during the era of the greatest swordmasters in galactic history; an era packed full of master level duelists & martial artists.
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@@dazdavis7896 I heavily disagree. THe Old Jedi Order were the "Prime" of the Jedi measured against the Original Films (Ben Kenobi or Luke [ca. Battle of Endor]). Since Lucas was involved in "The Phantom Menace" there are hundreds of other material from Lucas himself or more authors that claim Luke's Order surpassed their predecessors, that Luke himself was equal or beyond other Jedi Masters, or we can break-down the cold hard facts opposed to individual statements.
1) The NJO was involved in 6 Galactic-scale conflicts within Luke's own lifetime
-the Galactic Civil War (even after the Emperor's final death, Imperial facts fragmented in warlords who continued to make a lot of trouble for the New Republic).
-The Yuzzhan Vong War.
-The Swarm War
-The 2nd Galactic Civil War.
-The Abeloth Crisis.
-The Return of the Lost Tribe of the Sith.
NJO masters including Corran Horn were much more active and battle-hardened than any of the Old Jedi Order Masters.
2) The OJO were extremely dogmatic and passive, to the extent that the widespread collapse of the Republic, and Ascension of the Sith happened right under their noses since they were too close-minded and rejected anything hint or trace of the Dark Side or Sith, or how Jedi could even fail.
-Galadran, the Hukk/Kaleesh war and the Yinchorii uprising were 3x strong cases where the Jedi were involved from political machinations at the behest of corrupt institutions, did nothing with the fall-out and left individual people worse-off for it.
Luke's Jedi Order was a very active part of the New Republic or the Galactic Alliance, to the extent that individual members would have part-time careers in the military, with planetary governments or watch closely at the fall-out of large-scale events. They were not always successful, and Kenth Hamner's appeasement policies were almost disastrous, but they did recognize when they made a wrong choice and were conscientious of the fall-out.
The OJO would always just hand-wave it as "the will of the Force," and go back to their temple and meditate.
For Darth Maul vs. Corran Horn.
-Horn does have some disabilities towards telekinesis; however the magnitude of his alternative powers are in the Grand Master league: channeling multiple build-scale explosions into the illusion of a Giant Jedi, drawing-in the thermal energy of a volcano to hold an avalanche for several minutes, and he can catch a lightsaber blade (only 2x non-Celestial Force-wielders have ever done that: Satele Shan & Corran himself).
-Horn's duelling skills are the most unique in the franchise, since he is a top-tier duelist with a standard blade, and THE most proactive Trakata practitioner of the entire franchise (multipel duels with Trakata used, not a one-off). Even beyond that, Corran has fought Jensaarai, Yuzzhan Vong, and his regular sparring partners would include other NJO legends: Kyle Katarn, Saba Sabetyne, Kenth Hamner, Kyp Durron, Mara Jade Skywalker, Kam Solusar, and even GM Luke Skywalker. Nobody who is sparring with these people on semi-regular basis is weak.
Darth Maul is extremely skilled, but ultimately his sparring opponent would include Darth Sidious (who always held-back) and assassin droids. Maul has an impressive magnitude, but he lacks any esoteric powers that Corran carries, and neither does he leverage telekensis in a way to defeat Corran (multiple thrown objects as Count Dooku or Darth Vader would use).
Corran has engaged individual with peculiar weapons for his entire life, leaving the shock-value of a sabre-staff off the table. Furthermore, Corran conducts himself as a fencer would: position, leverage, parry/riposte, or thrust. In a technical sense, he's almost the NJO's equivalent of Shaak Ti's duelling skills, which is an advantage against a martial-arts and part-time swordsmen like Darth Maul.
Maul is in much better physical shape than Horn. Their duelling skills make an interesting dynamic, but Corran's calculated use of trakata could break a stalemate between them. However once you evaluate their Force-powers, it's a done deal in Corran's favour.
Horn could distract Maul with illusions since the latter has no material to indicate he could recognize and break telepathic powers of Corran's league, or Corran can catch and hold one blade of Maul's sabre-staff, and cut the weapon in-half, or cut stab Maul through his heart.
Stopping lightsaber like stopping litesaber, Horn survived a friggin' explosion, saved entire district by redirecting all the energy to the sky and used it's power to plant illusion in all of the district citizens. Catching a lightsaber seems really small compared to that :)
Corran Horn looks like Seth Green.
"What? I don't se"... (Looks at Corran Horn more closely) "I'll be damned"
EvanNova95 Lumiya vs Zannah?
Words cannot describe how glad I am to see someone else notice this fact. It's amused me for years.
A little.
EvanNova95 I've been watching some of your older videos, do you ever think you will do your Star Trek reviews again Evan?
Your choice of music is very fitting for the video, well done! Asajj Ventress vs Darth Maul would be my pick, and would seem pretty close to me!
I'm liking it so far. Great work. This series continues to impress me!
I want a three way battle between Kit Fisto, Lucien Dray and Warbnull, who is the MASTER of Shii-Cho
This fight seems a little one sided to me, A Jedi council member against a barely note worthy Sith warrior? I agree with the analysis but the match seems a bit mismatched.
damn, with Jedis like Corran Horne and Kyle Katarn, Luke's order had some awesome bladesmen.
love this battle but I honestly thought this was just a bit too one sided.
I just had a bit of a nostalgia hit rewatching this. I spend decades reading books involving people like Corran Horn, Kyp Durron, Kyle Katarn, Lumiya and so on. I loved the New Jedi Order Timeline stories. So many years of story telling went into the classic EU, and now we`ll never see some of the stories finished. What happened to Jaden Korr, did it ever have any consequences that he was a clone? To what hights would Jaina and Ben rise? What happened to the lost tribe of the Sith? I am still sad that we won`t ever find out, and that we are now settled with a poor bunch of "new" stories that can`t even hope to do something that hasn`t already happened in some form or another in the classic EU. And I just can`t get into the "new" stuff, all those characters that I loved are now gone, I lost my connection to Star Wars :/ at least they are keeping some of the pre-clone-wars era EU, I hope they`ll make Revan definitive canon.
Bardan Jusik vs Kyle Katarn - Jedi turned Mercenary (specifically a Mandalorian) vs Mercenary turned Jedi
Is there enough information on bardan's skillset ? Has he ever been depicted in a serious duel ? I don't remember any . If we had more information it would ve a very interesting matchup
Thing is, jusik has mando armour. That's a pretty huge advantage.
@Wes Bradley-Taubner the thing is we don't know. We have never seen bardan take place in a single serious lightsaber duel. We don't know what form he uses, what are his responses in combat what are his force abilities nothing.
@Wes Bradley-Taubner yeah of course i agree I can't see him being stronger than someone like kyle. But i will say that he would probably be pretty damn good since he is a jedi mandalorian with like 40 years worth of training. He should be a beast but not kyle-corran-kyp level
I love all the Halo music you use. Great videos, you have.
Kyle Katarn vs. Mace Windu
Love it!
Woww,good video,keep up the awesome work
Great vid Evan!
i think ill try to make my own Versus series when im done moving.
Til then, do something with Darth Caedus if you get the chance
EvanNova95 it's cool for the wait because as we all know how important patients are especially in the Star Wars Universe. I have thought it over and few things have come to mind.
Battles:
Darth Sidious vs Darth Krayt
Darth Vader vs Darth Malgus
Obi-Wan vs Kyle Katarn or Obi-Wan vs Darth Nihilus
Stories:
Obi Wan Kenobi, Luke Skywalker, Darth Sidious, or even Boba Fett
Plus I thought of something interesting. Stories of some of the greatest battles in Star Wars history like the Battles of Yavin, Endor, Genosis, The Star Forge, Korriban, The Clone Wars etc. I know it looks like a while bunch like I said I'm just throwing it out there. JUst keep up the good work and I'll awaits to see what comes next
Sidious
Vader
Katarn
Diamond Boys as I have told everyone else. I'll leave it to Evan to decide. he was earned without any doubt
Darth Sidious can beat practically anyone except Luke.
I'll be blunt, the only good idea you suggested was the telling of significant battles.
Diamond Boys had it right, except he forgot to add that Nihilus would win against Kenobi too.
And regarding the stories you suggested Evan should do, they're all really bad ideas, sorry. Why would he tell the stories of characters whose stories are some of the most well known in Star Wars lore? It'd be a waste of time for everybody. And with Boba Fett, practically all of his canon outside of his movie and TV appearances has been retconned, so there's no point in telling his story yet, because there'd be practically nothing canonical to tell.
I'll end things on a good note though. Really, your idea for telling the stories of significant battles in galactic history... that is a really good and original idea.
I could see a video on Darth Sidious. While his late life is well known his early life and his resurrection are somewhat obscure.
I love your content! Keep it up
Nice Halo Wars soundtrack.
I'm still DYING to know the song he used for the verdict. He used in his Atris vs Nomi Sunrider video. My life isn't complete until I find it.
Great video evan I'm a huge fan of your work. I would like to make a suggestion on A future video, I think Darth Krayt vs Darth Tyrannus would be a great battle both are former Jedi turned Sith Lords and both appear in a wide variety of media so please think about it and if possible tell me what you think of the idea
Corran Horn vs. Ulic Qeldroma?
IronLion1914 that would be cool
Kam Solusar VS Plo Koon
This needs more attention. This needs to be done.
Yes I agree
That's actually a very interesting one
I still wanna see a story on k'kruhk who was a Jedi master with a lot of back story and history
Based on something I read in "I, Jedi", I assumed that physical augmentation was beyond Horn's abilities.
Nah, Im sure any force wielder can use it. I mean, it does involve the power of the force being channelled through their muscles, so I don't see why Horn couldn't use it.
He can't use the force to levitate himself. This error was because at the time it hadn't been established that Jedi can augment their physical abilities with the force but that they can do those flips and jumps by using tk to basically flt
Awesome video mate. :D
Can you pls do a video which contains Kol or Nat Skywalker?^^
Bounty Hunter Commander Durge vs Boba Fett
Wow Corran Horn sounds like exactly what I would be like as a Jedi, kind of a mixture of form 1 and 4 if you think about it with some elements of form 6 defence
Thanks for this video Evan!
I'm wondering if your using Kia-Adi-Mundi this season, considering he is an interesting character in the series.
Jacen Solo was my favorite. Lets see more versus series with him. Like...
Jacen Solo vs. Darth Krayt
As I think I've said before, Evan, you should consider your versus match-ups more carefully. I called this from just reading the title of the video. Still a good video as always, but just personally, I like watching these videos when I don't really have an idea of who would win. For example, with this video, I just skipped to the end result.
IS there any Warb Null 'red' light saber for sale?
Great video, I've been waiting for one with Corran Horn! Have you ever thought about doing a battle with a Yuuzhan Vong on one or both sides? I can see how it would be very different and probably harder, but I'd be really interested to see it.
Hey Evan, it would be really cool if you matched up, jedi knight, Anikan Skywalker and Darth Maul. I really want to see your perspective on who would win if the two ever crossed blades. Oh and if I might add, in the Star Wars episode 3 revenge of the sith novelization, Anikan was depicted using force fury or force rage with red aura around him, when he fought Darth Tyruanus. I add this because in other videos when Darth Vader is describe from previous history until his death, it is never stated that this power was in his arsenal as a jedi knight, I say jedi because I haven't read anything show casising this ability when he fully became Darth Vader. Anyways, think about, I hope you like the idea.
As per usual, I really appreciate the highly focused and analytical approach you take to these match-ups. Another fine display of your skill as an analyst. Good work! Now, on a sidebar, as I mentioned in my comment on a different video, I'd like to somehow get in touch with you and bounce a few ideas off of you. (Sorry if I'm being a bit vague or cryptic.) Anyhow, if you would be willing to get in touch, let me know and we'll work out the finer details then. If you have some sort of personal policy against this, that's fine, just let me know and I'll go bother someone else. But finally, I would be remiss if I did not reiterate that I am a fan of your work and I'm always waiting on the edge of my seat for your next upload. Cheers!
Jacen solo vs anakin skywalker :D!!!!!
Amazin!!!!
EvanNova95 do this please.
Jacen Solo from what time period? If it's Caedus versus ROTS Anakin/Vader for example, Caedus EASILY wins.
Yeah, didn't Darth Lumiya say that Caedus had surpassed Vader is every way? So if it's Caedus vs any form of Anakin or Vader he'll win.
qawsedf234
And unlike for example, Kreia praising Tulak Hord, Lumiya actually knew Vader because she was Vader's apprentice, so her words have far more credence to them than Kreia's on Hord.
Really big fan of the versus series so I thought I would leave some suggestions:
Plo koon vs Darth malgus
Tera sinube vs darth tenebrous
Corran Horn has this one in the bag.
I would be highly interested by your take on non-force user fights, with fighters like General Grievous or Pre Vizsla to non-sword wielders like Mandalorians. Maybe use fighters like Mandalore the Ultimate, the Fetts, Durge, other skilled Bounty Hunters or even Yuuzhan Vang warriors like Shimrra Jamaane the Supreme Overlord. Would love to see a fight between both skillful tacticians General Grievous and Mandalore the Ultimate or Bounty Hunters Durge and Boba Fett.
Hey Evan, how about doing a corran horn vs obiwan (rots) vid?
Darth bane vs darth caedus ps I love your videos
Great vid.
I know you probably get a lot of requests, and that I requested this before, but Warb Null versus General Grievous. The biggest reason not to was Warb Null's relative lack of speed compared to General Grievous, except Warb Null uses Shi Cho which gave Kit Fisto an advantage when he fought Grievous. Furthermore the general lack of speed can reasonably be balanced by Grievous' lack of Force abilities. C'mon. It'll be fun, it'll be fun, it'll be fun.
What an interesting matchup with these two, both lacking skill with telekinesis. Great pairing!
Nice video, as usual!
Maybe after season one of Rebels ends, maybe you could do a verses video with the Inquisitor? Please? Maybe you could have him vs. Maul?
maul stomps. Not even close dude. The inquisitors in rebels are literally low to mid level knights
Great battle Evan. I was thinking you could do Darth Caedus versus Revan
I think someone else already did that. Granted, however, the quality wasn't very good.
Revan's overrated, and Caedus is among the most powerful Sith in the Star Wars universe, so yeah... Caedus would win.
Again, please explain why in detail.
Tekki 7^3
What do you mean, "again."
And what am I explaining "again"?
My bad, I messed up. I meant please explain the me how Caedus would win against Revan in a battle.
Cade Skywalker VS Mace Windu
EvanNova95 PLEASE READ THIS!!, I just wanted to ask if you can or if u have plans to do for us the History of Darth Marr, thanks alot!
After hearing about Corran Horn's unorthodox Force abilities, I would absolutely love to see a versus between Corran Horn and Jax Pavan (As Pavan appeared during his fight against Darth Vader, after having absorbed the information from Ramage's Holocron.)
Will you use cam soulsar in one of your videos?
how about another team battle:Kyp Durron, Legends Luke Skywalker, and Kyle Katarn vs Darth Malgus, Darth Bane and Darth Sidious?
These two are almost completely new to me. Sorry, I don't study everyone in the Star Wars universe So let's just see how this goes. 21:27-It's always good to see the hot Old Lady do her Jedi thing and dominate oponents. Okay, back to the battle. 31:34-I do like the long handled lighsaber he has. That thing is cool to have. It's not Vader's or nothing but it's still up there on the cool-o-meter.
Do more versus series with Darth Malgus or Darth Plagueis.
@West Bradley-Taubner I wrote this 5 years ago. You didn't even spell Plagueis right.
@West Bradley-Taubner No, lol. Read again. I wrote PLAGUEIS. You wrote PLAGUIES.
@West Bradley-Taubner My phone corrected it because I actually know how to spell it.
Can you please do a plo koon vs lord scourge please 😇
well done evan good job how bout kryat vs palpantine
Cade Skywalker VS Lucien Draay
Cade would probably win that. He has the dark transfer move, and he could possibly take advantage of Shii-Cho's weakness against single opponents.
Halo Wars music :D I've played that game for 6 years, I'd know it anywhere. Stephen Rippy rules!
is it the song at the end
@@adamniccum8680 Yup, it is. Although not the verdict song. I'm still trying to find that one...
Do you have any plans to use Neeja Halcyon if you could get the info for him that is
Great video as always, totally agree with the verdict.
I have two questions:
1. Do you think someone like Kyle Katarn who states that force abilities are neither good or evil would stand by his statement in a way that he would even use it against another lightsider?
2. What do you think about Corran Horn and Kyp Durran vs Plo Koon and Kit Fisto? Is there an obvious victor or is it worth a closer look?
1. If necessary Yes, he uses any tool he can to get the Job done.
2. Kyp Durron (I actually did that match a while back), Plo Koon though with difficulty
EvanNova95
Interesting. Thank you for the answer!
About the suggestions I think you misunderstood me.
I meant a team battle where Koon and Fisto fight Horn and Durron. Two Jedi that were primarily swordfighters and users of the same style and two Jedi that were very good all- rounders.
I have seen the match between Durron and Horn, that is why I want to know how they would fight as a team against Koon and Fisto.
NoHarmony Ohh, ok sorry about the misunderstanding
EvanNova95
Well... not meaning to be rude or impatient but do you have an oppinion on that double battle?
Love the series. Please consider Darth Tyra as a combatant.
Could you do Darth Vader vs Darth Malgus?
It's about time Corran won one of these XD
@West Bradley-Taubner This comment is five years old. You okay pal?
hey evan im not sure if this match up would be uneven (I don't know much about Warb Null but I would like to sugest warb null vs Ahsoka Tahno
it is uneven. Warb stomps
Can you please make a story of obi-wan kenobi's history like you did general grievous id like to know thank you
4 things you must do:
1.Darth Cadeus vs Darth Maul
2.Leia Organa Solo Vs Darth Zannah
3.Darth Sidious vs Darth Krayt or Nihilus
4.Sora Bulq vs Pong Krell
PLZ!!!! ;)
1: Darth Caedus
2: I would like to see that
3: Darth Sidious in both fights
4: I would also like to see that
1.) Darth Cadeus
2.) Darth Zannah
3.) Darth Sidious
4.) We don't know much about Krell but I would say Sora Bulq would win that fight anyway.
To be honest I think Krell is adept in Shien and Ataru, he also makes more use of the force than Sora Bulq.
Also, about Darth Zannah vs Leia Oragana solo, don't forget she's a Skywalker.
Yeah.. but Darth Zannah is pretty tough.
I really like the music used in your versus videos. Where can you find it?
The music is use is from a few different sources, Halo, BattleStar Galactica, Attack on Titan..ect.
EvanNova95
Cool. Thanks, dude.
In my opinion this was a fairly easy battle for horn. I think a better one would be asajj ventress vs Horn:) since asajj is weak to mind based power and horn is weak to telekinesis but martial arts wise they seem equals considering the people ventress has fought
While possibly 'better,' Asajj Ventress vs. Corran Horn is still not a fair match-up; Horn would still pretty solidly beat her.
I dont know if he would solidly beat her because ventress has contended with jedi like Mace Windu on occasions. If she could hold her own against him he can definitely hold her own against horn.
Darth Bane
By solidly beat her, I didn't mean easily, I meant he would almost certainly win. That doesn't mean he would almost certainly win without any difficulty though. I think she'd present a good challenge, but I couldn't see her winning (in a fair fight at least).
fair enough:)
I think Darth Bane post obelisk armor vs. Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus would be cool.
Maybe next time do a at his prime Obi-Wan against Luke Skywalker, or Corran Horn vs. Qui-Gon.
EvanNova95 could you do a Darth Vader vs Darth Malgus matchup?
You should do a series about non force users like Jango vs boba or something like that
Evan and Jensaarai don't like to use non-force sensitive characters. Could be wrong, but I think that's why you don't see them use Jango Fett, Boba Fett, or Grievous.
Ok
Keep an eye out for Season 5, you may just get your wish. :)
Yay!
Rex Vs Boba Fett?
Exar Kun vs Darth Maul!
HarbingerOfBattle one sided, Exar Kun wins
I would even say, that a dark side use of the force as base method to channel the force absolutely prevents the optimal use of form one cuz that method works by means of asserting control over it. That's fundamentally opposed to giving up nearly or all control n basicly surrender to the flow of the force.
Though i also think that he could likely have used form 5 rather than one, which is just as fitting to his frame n perfectly suited for a dark side fuled tank like fighter who doesn't have to waste much thought on defense at all. Not just would he think so probably due to reliance on the armor, but the way he got killed seems to proof that to b the case about him.
Anakin solo vs Darth maul
When corran horns back story is being told, what is the music in the background. It sounds familiar but i cant pit my finger on it
Warb Null vs. Darth Vader, please.
Darth Vader takes the majority in that match up.
Vader no question
Any plans for Lowbacca, Evan?
Not at the moment
i think a good idea would be lowbacca vs either
jerec
carnor jax
or desann
all from the NJO era and obscure rarely used characters and i think it would be interesting
Red Pyro Actually Carnor Jax versus Maris Brood might be an even match up. All these latest videos have been easy to predict. And I'd like to see some lesser known characters like Jarek, Bok, Yun, Sariss, Gorc & Pic, Desann. Anything that's not easily predictable. PLEASE!!!
Brian Nemlich yeah that might actually be a very good idea
and one thing i just thought of
jerec and desann vs kyle at the point of his duel with caedus
That would be a GREAT Idea!!! Or Desann and Jarec vc Kyle and Jaden Korr?
You should do Darth Vader vs Count Doku
I have experience with a few different weapons and I feel compelled to present something. The efficient use of a lightpike is only inefficient if the user has no idea what they're doing. The user is likely using a pike because they like it and are capable of using it to a comparable degree to their peers. For example: I can use a standard bo staff pretty well, using both ends to batter my enemy and defend but then if I slide my hands back close to one end I can jab and slash with one end and have a defensive side right next to my body making me potentially untouchable. The only reason a lightpike or other weapons with extended handles would be hampered would be if the handle was not made of a lightsaber resistant material and they tried to block with it and end up getting their weapon destroyed and themselves killed. Real-life example being trying to block a katana's blade with a rattan bo staff, rattan itself is a durable cousin to bamboo but it just isn't up to par. A weapon's only fault/failure lies in the user, not the tool.
So I'm kinda wondering if there might be enough room on RUclips for another vs vid maker? Thoughts?
Could you consider Ki-adi-mundi vs. Dark Lord Kopecz?
Why has no one done a Revan vs The Exile (Meetra Surik) ?! Please do this Vs!
Probably because the Revan novel basically said that Revan > Meetra. That and the Exile doesn't have too many measurable feats.
Yeah, it's pretty much canon that Meetra was just a little bit under Revan.
Please do an Obi wan video soon!!!
You should do a Darth Krayt VS Darth Sidious
I want to see that battle so bad!
you should make a top ten sith turned light side
Please do a voolvif monn vs. plo koon or kit Fisto video
Starkiller vs Satia Shan.
Corran Horn vs Mace Windu
Coran Horn has a huge weakness in Jedi/Sith Battles. He has no telekenetic ability at all. His illusion skills are his only defence to that. He therefore could be disarmed of his lightsaber at any point or even fall victim to direct force attacks for which his only defence is illusion. It is very double edged for him as his defence to force attacks is to mask himself in the force and project illusions of his possition and the success or failurer of the opponent attacks whilst maneuvering to strike his oponent.
Cant believe this video is 2 years old. But in hindsight, Corran Horn is a lot more dangerous then many people believe. Considering his ancestor Nejaa Halcylon can block+absorb lightsabers with tutaminis is a feat that Corran Horn (who I believe is stronger than Nejaa) should be able to pull off and he stands as 1 of the greatest tutaminis masters in the EU. I don't remember when this happened but Corran Horn can use tutaminis to absorb tk energy and raise his force wall as a result which means he kind of like Kenobi. Passively, he sucks. Period. But his active def is a lot stronger than people think. Which made this matchup a mismatch for Warb Null. In a overall sense, I see Horn as a tier 2 council master (only due to his tk issues).
EvanNova95 how about Exar Kun vs Darth Maul?
Galen Marek vs Darth Caedus, also im confused as to whether galen is more of a lightsaber combat specialist(guardian) or more of a force wielder (consular)
Mara Jade Skywalker VS An'ya Kuro
can you please do plo koon vs dath maul