I Couldn't STEAL A Better Laptop... I Tried - Lenovo Thinkpad T470s
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2022
- Today I am looking at the Thinkpad T470s. A serious laptop if you're on a tight budget and really need something that just...works for $200 with good build quality.
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Everyone reading this, be warned. Thinkpadphilia is an uncontrollable urge to collect IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad-series portable laptop computers. It is an extremely addictive affliction that goes hand in hand with GNU/Linux mania (or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU+Linux mania) that might, in extreme cases, escalate to BSD-fetishism and other obscure conditions.
- Sent from one of my Lenovo Thinkpads
Embrace the inner thinkpad
its only a matter of time before he embraces the light that is an X220 with linux running on it.
Fedora runs like butter on it, it has that classic keyboard, the thinklight, the (rebindable) thinkvantage button and that perfect thickness
@@bigbodge unpopular opinion but the chiclet keyboards feel a bit better to type on.
@@carnelianknight5713 Agreed i have both the old and new type keyboard on x201 and x230 and i much prefer typing on the x230. Everyone praises the old type more but the chiclet is not as bad as people lead you to believe.
@@carnelianknight5713 fully agree. I love the thinkpad chicklet. (Not a fan of other chicklets mind, they always seem to have a too shallow actuation throw)
One thing I love about Thinkpads is the drainage holes. Those are little holes under the keyboard that go through the entire laptop so if you ever spill any liquid onto the keyboard, it can safely drain through those holes instead of into the laptop.
Thanks to this, I only had to replace the $50 keyboard of my sister's Thinkpad instead of the whole laptop. And the keyboard was super easy to replace on top of everything else.
Lenovo used to do this on the G series laptops too. Saved mine when I spilled a whole bottle of water on it.
The keyboard is still going to be damaged, especially on the newer type of keyboard (on newer than T420).
@@BrianG61UK I never claimed it would safe the keyboard. Besides, a broken keyboard (that's pretty cheap and easy to replace), is a lot better than a broken laptop.
If you really want to pour drinks over your laptop, you'll probably have to get one of those rugged outdoor laptops they use on arctic expeditions and stuff...
Lenovo did great with the ThinkPad super underrated.
Can confirm, I have seen this firsthand. My roommate accidentally spilled some water onto the keyboard, so he opened the bottom part, after about 10-15 mins when it dried, he connected back the screws, and the keyboard was working just like that.
It's not a nipple. It's the clitorus. And learning to use it can indeed change your life.
Yes of course it's a clit, why do people call it a nipple, if it was, there'd be 2 of them.
Innit?
My bargain was a T480S, Core i5 8250, 16 gb RAM, in almost perfect condition, purchased a year ago for $250 on Craigslist . I like it just as much as a Yoga 9i I bought a month ago (yes, I'm somewhat of a hoarder) for almost $1000! Plus, the T480S doesn't burn my legs like the Yoga 9i. Older doesn't mean obsolete.
Leg burning is pretty typical of the thin and hot thin and throttle a lot era vs much older laptops. Get an T430 and pair it with the slice pack (secondary 9 cell battery) then nothing will ever get cooked again lol. Anyway bagging an near nos T480s is a great deal.
@@MrKillswitch88 Great advice about the slice battery. My T430s does get warm, but my T470s remains cool as a cucumber.
8th gen is a pretty good jump in performance, compared to 7th gen too :) I have a yoga with the same CPU running Linux, and it still feels new. Only 8 gigs of RAM too.
There’s also the benefit of the 8th Gen chips being the oldest CPUs that are officially supported by Windows 11 (if you want to upgrade at some point)
@@SirSethery When I bought my pre-owned T470s, Windows 11 Pro had been loaded. Not sure how the seller did it? It took me an additional 2 hours to de-Microsoft the notebook, getting rid of tracking and more.
The problem with Windows 11 is that it's more of a data collection service than an OS. Windows 10 is a much better OS. A shame that Windows 10 won't be supported after 2025.
At work I had a Lenovo ThinkPad T460... I fell in love with the keyboard. I bought a certified refurbished T470 for personal use. It came with Windows 10 Pro. I'd say its lean, meaning I use it primarily for writing, surfing the net, watching RUclips videos, and doing classes and meetups via Zoom and/or Microsoft TEAM. I'm not a gamer so that kind of horsepower is not an issue. My plan is to move it to Linux when Windows 10 is no longer supported. I've installed Linux on a few old laptops of mine in the past. Again, it's has a great keyboard and with the docking station I have a 2nd monitor and am connected to stereo system when I'm watching videos. When I head out I can just pop it off the docking station and carry it in my briefcase. I paid about $270. One of the best tech purchases I've ever made.
Just love your review and humor. Everything you mentioned is spot-on. I bought a 6300u i-5 T470s about 7 months ago for $175, after answering a Craigslist ad. Like yours, mine needed one battery, but it was still getting about 3.5 hours. It came with 16 gb of RAM, but I purchased another 16 gb from Crucial from a sale for $56. So I'm in it for $281.
When I went into the system, I noticed that it still had 3 months left on its warranty. I had the screen, bezel, lid, and keyboard replaced for free under warranty. The Lenovo tech met me at a local Starbucks and did everything there within 20 minutes. He steered me to an ebay sell that sold quality OEM batteries for a lot less than Lenovo. I replaced one and I'm now getting almost 7 hours of battery life. The 1080p screen is sharp, but isn't the brightest. That said, I always turn the brightness of my screens down, so nothing lost here.
I'm not a gamer so speed is not an issue. It's fast when using Photoshop or editing video. I've been a Thinkpad user for years because of the keyboard and Trackpoint. Honestly I can't use a notebook without that little red trackpoint. My everyday notebook is still a Lenovo Thinkpad T430s from 2012. It's an i5 with 16 gb of RAM and a 256 gb SSD. I use it constantly and it's never let me down. It's still powerful enough to do Photoshop and video edition...and it's 10-years-old.
The reason that I purchased the T470s was to have a light computer to take on the road. It's certainly filled that and more. It's a coffee shop warrior. I always enjoy using it. One strange thing is that card slot. I have no idea what it's good for? But I do appreciate the Thunderbolt 3/USB 3 port, two separate charging ports. 3 USB-3.0 ports, Ethernet port, and full-size HDMI port.
The previous owner installed Windows 11...not quite sure how. I spent 2 hours un-Microsofting Windows 11. Windows has gone from being an operating system and morphing into a data collection service. It's a shame but I was able to clean the T470s using some great RUclips instructional videos. At least I'll be futureproofed after 2025. Given how long my T430s has lasted without issue, I would think that your machine will be chugging away in 2032.
Love to see old thinkpads still putting in work! IMO with how great modern laptops are, they really don't need to be replaced often. You can easily get a 3-5 year old laptop for cheap and throw in a new battery if it's from a solid brand like lenovo and use it for years.
T470s I'm coming
Sounds like your price points are better than mine. I was so impressed with the Amazon renewed program that I ended up buying 4 T470's total. Like new and work great, could not be happier.
After rereading your post I just wanted to add a couple more comments. I love the fact that you are using the T430 as your work horse. I my mind you are really ringing out the value out of that system. In todays throw away world it's nice to know people like you exist. Both you and I do not care that we are not sporting the latest's and greatest hardware, on the contrary we are happier not spending money that does not need to be spent to fill a need. Just reading your post I'll bet you are just as productive (if not more) than that kid next to you that spent money he did not really have.
I really enjoyed the part of your comments where the Lenovo tech fixed your system screen etc ... In my mind it was smart all the way around.
Lastly, I was telling my wife how the Lenovo T470's systems were a business level platform back in 2017, they continue to have value today because they are worth maintaining and repairing (same for T430's). As you mentioned, The T470's do not support windows 11, I could careless. I know that windows 10 runs great and will be good to go for years to come. If the OS is not supported for web applications at some point I'll load Linux on all my systems. The point here is that the hardware if fantastic and the price point was very nice. Sorry for the ramble.
@@eddievantailn2882 Thanks for your kind, coherent words. I continue to use the T430s because it simply works. I bought it pretty much brand-new in July 2012 from an IT pro, who had an extra. It still had 35 months left in its warranty.
My needs are pretty basic...Word, Excel, Publisher, plus Photoshop Elements, light video editing. I'm not a gamer, so the i5 with 8gb and 256gb SSD work well.
Since new I've replaced the keyboard and screen in-warranty...but they're simple jobs, even for a simpleton like me.
At one point I bought a used mid-2013 MacBook Air for $375. I wanted a light, compact computer for the road. I hated it and it's not Apple's fault, it was just because I was so used to the ThinkPad and Windows experience. I type a lot. I sold it for what I paid.
Honestly, if you're not a gamer, doing CAD, 4k editing, compiling programs, 3D rendering, financial / scientific modelling, video encoding or and other kind of compression / decompression, even a 10-year-old ThinkPad will fly through almost any task. But most people use a notebook for what I do, and mostly Internet, music and word processing.
I see myself using the T470s and T430s in 10 years...unless the motherboard gets fried. Given the fact that T430s hasn't fried anything after 10 years, history teaches me the future.
You did great. I really like the T-series. As a Field Service Technician I have worked with a lots of ThinkPads....a lots of guarantee errand.
This was my favourite think about owning a ThinkPad. Unfortunately, my X1 carbon had a row of pixels in the screen die a little while after I purchased it. I didn't even have to send the laptop off: one of your fellow technicians came to my house later that week and replaced the screen right there for me
I currently have a T460s and it does everything I need of it. I've always wanted to own a Thinkpad, and I finally got one this year. One of those few times when my expectations weren't disappointed.
Is it good for photoshop and gaming?
@@karimvenom6459 absolutely not, they have underpowered 2 core chips. My T470s is marginally better, but still very slow. The only game i can play without it being a slideshow is Witcher 1.
right on and great video. subbed. I picked up a T480 for $480 CAD and its an amazing machine.. I was also on the fence to spend $3000 for the MBP 14" and I couldn't justify spending that much for my workflow.. This is my first Thinkpad and it's absolutely stunning. My brother used T61 before and he still has it running Win 7 I believe. I feel like its better to get older Thinkpads than newest laptops if you don't run resource heavy task. My concern with MBP was that you can't upgrade anything anymore and Apple wants $400 for 16GB upgrade (MBP comes with 16GB already) for total of 32 but then I realized that its quite steep for what my needs are. So then I started searching for used market and came across T480 and apparently its the last model which you can upgrade ram and hard drive for.
I recently bought a used Thinkpad L14 Gen 2. It has an i5 1135G7, two upgradeable RAM slots and upgradeable storage. An absolute bargain if you ask me!
Only reason I went for P1 is it still has a full size sd card. But it and x1 extreme are both upgradable, though I understand they use glue in the panel assembly now so a screen swap is more of an ordeal.
I've bought 4 thinkpads over the years. My winning formula as been to buy something that was bleeding edge 2 years ago. I have put linux on all of them and they just worked. I had one that finally died - I took the SSD out of it and put it in a significantly newer one - and everything just worked.
(writing this on a 5 year old X1 Carbon which is still going strong).
This is the way
I've considered getting a carbon. What's the deal with them anyway? I've never seen one in person so I'm curious why they seem to be the one everyone wants. Are they just a smaller/lighter unit or are there other things that make them so good compared to the other thinkpad models?
please give me all the drivers… wifi isnt fully supported, fingerprint… impossible…
@@alexisfrjp: Are you referring to Linux? Linux wifi support is mostly ridiculously good. Fingerprint reader, I could see that, but heck, even with FreeBSD (Which is about as far from user friendly as a mainstream OS gets) I have full wifi support. It won't link at no gigabit speed or anything, but it's enough I even do full HD video game video's on it and the video's I edit are ON the network. I just use local proxy clips for the edit, then let it render across the LAN for the full size render.
The good thing about thnkpads is almost everything on it is replacible. Its very much like a build it yourself desktop its all plug and screw in. Your keyboard or display stop working replace it. You want more ram or storage add it. Your cooling fan stops working replace it. Its not hard. Parts for a thinkpad are easily gotten on Amazon, Ebay or else where on the web. Its a no brainer.
Back in the late 90s, I worked at IBM Canada as an OS/2 product specialist, where I provided 3rd level OS/2 support and also supported some apps on Windows 95 & NT. I was also on the team that built standard desktops for IBM Canada employees. At any time, I might have a half dozen or so ThinkPads, of different models, at my desk. Back in those days, the hard drives were user swappable, so I had several of those at my desk too, with different operating systems on them. In addition to our regular work, we were also encouraged to start working with Linux on company time. Since then, I have been partial to ThinkPads, whether made by IBM or Lenovo and over the years bought a couple for myself. One problem with ThinkPads is they're so durable they're obsolete long before you find a need to replace them. My current E520 was bought in Oct. 2011 and it's still going strong. I have openSUSE Linux on it, as well as Windows 10. However, I would never buy a non ThinkPad Lenovo, as they're garbage in comparison. BTW, that red thing is called a TrackPoint, which I greatly prefer to touch pads. The first time I used a touch pad was on a Toshiba notebook, with Windows 95. I've hated touch pads ever since.
Incidentally, I also have Windows 10, Windows 98 and OS/2 Warp 4 in Virtualbox VMs on it. I have also maxed out the memory at 8 GB and replaced the hard drive a couple of times. It currently has a 1 TB SSD in it.
What's missing is 5 GHz WiFi. If it was practical to replace the WiFi card, I would have. Otherwise, it still continues to meet my needs, more than 11 years after I bought it.
Trackpads suck because of the software Why can't I pinch the zoom properly in every app? Some require the 2 finger scrolling. That's just one example.
I've heard Mac laptops have the best trackpad so :(
OS/2 was fantastic I don't care what anyone says...
@@georgen.8027 Any relation to PS/2?
Their gaming laptops are actually pretty good though :) Great price/performance ratio, tasteful design, solid build.
I have Lenovo Legion 7 and it’s not garbage
Great video! Some time ago I bought a refurbished T460 and I just love it. It had a dent in one of it's corners. Rest of the laptop was in great condition. I installed Linux on it and couldn't be happier. Most of heavy processing I do in the cloud anyway. Checked the batteries with upower and they still go around 85% of max cap. One thing which is cool about those refurbished laptops is, that accessories are super cheap. I bought a docking station for less than 20€. In the future I will probably mostly try to buy refurbished laptops.
My favourite laptop is the HP 840 series. My company issued one and I loved it to bits. Bought a couple of them from a dinky shop and they run great. Added memory, storage and they suit my purpose nicely. I got a cheap Thinkpad, but didn't like the placement of the Cntrl and Fn keys. But I keep hearing about these legendary pieces and I am tempted. Thanks for the information about the pawn shop, got a new haunt to look for deals.
You can change the FN and Ctrl key layout on the BIOS ^^
HP is trash. doesnt come close to thinkpad by a long shot.
HP? 😂 You need to try the real deal. Get a Thinkpad and never look back!
Screen going flat is useful when using it in a work environment. I use an HP that does the same thing at work, and can literally use it in any situation whilst still being able to access the keyboard. It becomes an oversized tablet. You can lay it on your legs, you can hold it with one hand vertically against a wall, power board, server, racking etc. You can walk through a warehouse with a powerful data accessing machine at your fingertips. In meetings, you can sit up, and lay the screen further back to actually see it. etc
I have a T470 currently for work, I was a contractor when I came on with the company originally, and now that I am a direct hire, I am supposed to get a new one, but I have to say that the 470 is rocking it out every day!
Love the review style and helpful information.
i got my own bargain like a week ago aswell, a gen 1 yoga x1! paid £209 for it and was the top of the line version in 2016 with 6600u , 512gb nvme , 1440p touchscreen oled and 16gb ram! couldnt be happier with it, bonus with it having a rather great wacom pen. these gen thinkpads are so easy to come across now for cheap
I had a higher-end Lenovo T series bought new for Computer Science College. I have done some upgrades over the years, and one of my sons uses it for homeschooling. I also picked up T470 for my other son for homeschooling. It works great. Most of their work is on a website watching videos, answering questions, and taking tests. Office apps like Word and PowerPoint work great. Even when my kids do programming as part of their school, these work great. I was sold on the quality of the keyboard after hearing about how old-school writers only use Lenovo (IBM) laptops. I now have a Lenovo P17 Gen 2 for my software development work, and the keyboard and performance are great.
Those P17s are beasts! Absolutely would love to try one one day and replace my desktop with one.
nice seeing you review these relics, keep up the good work
You''re really funny, I love your humor and review style. subbed.
Welcome to the thinkpad club! I think you've hit the best generation, the *70 series. I have a L450 which is great except for the weak i5-5200u but I've had it since a black friday sale and still love it to bits. Keyboard is amazing, pointing stick is great (wouldn't have a laptop without one - though my work HP elite has one that sucks ballz) and it's all user servicable with no soldered RAM (or anything except CPU/GPU)
You also have the same camera/laptop bag as me and yeah the 4xx size is a perfect fit for it! Yay for 14" laptops!
You're the man. I've been rocking a T450p with an i5 also rather weak. Seems like it was made in 2011. I just use it to browse the web and get some office work done so the standard Ubuntu does it for me.
Watching from my X1 Carbon from Q2 2012. It won't die -- still fast and responsive. Nice to know I can get something twice as fast for $200 when the time comes.
I have put the T470 through it’s paces working on communications equipment in mines. It meets a bunch of Mil-specs so it’s definitely durable, and it’s built so well.
Lenovo T series are all I've ever owned, started with a T60, T420, now a T440S. I am considering a used T480S with the quad core i7 as my next upgrade for you guessed it, low second hand prices. I have never bought one brand new. Great video thanks for sharing.
Thank you! I would also highly suggest looking at a T14 with a Ryzen cpu. On a good day, they are in the low 400's and an absolute steal.
I’ve been rocking a T480 with an i5 for awhile now, and it does everything I could ever need. I got it dirt cheap on eBay, upgraded the SSD and reapplied thermal paste. I use Linux, but not even a light weight distro and I have zero complaints.
I have a T450 with Linux Mint (as well as Win7) and it's perfect for any task. I like typing on it because its keyboard very comfy. I think that from T450 to T480 they are good in this series. When I was using, a T490 was killed in action with many wounds on it. So I've bargained my second T490 for a P53 on my workplace. In the P53, I feel that the the old school Thinkpad series were reborn.
Love my 2nd hand Thinkpad but it's a very different beast. X1 Yoga with an i7 8665U and 16GB of RAM. The battery came with only 15% wear and the laptop only cost me £300.
Very happy with an ultrabook of that calibre for that price. It saw me easily through university (as a compsci student doing a lot of hardware synthesis for the FPGA)
I ended up with a T480 assigned to me during a project. I didn't want to give it back. That first ThinkPad put me down the rabbit hole...now I have quite the collection and can't wait to get an X2100 or the like.
I picked up a p53s with i7-8665u from my company dumpster, in pretty good condition but with broken screen. Spent $100 for a LCD on amazon and another $100 on a 1tb nvme ssd. Added another 16gb of ddr4 ram which also pulled from stuff in the dumpster for a total ram of 32gb (16 on board). Now it's a perfect laptop for my wife haha.
Came for the Thinkpad love, commenting because FTL is my most played game on Steam and it was fun to see in the video.
Seriously awesome game, runs on literally anything I'm finding out
Bought mine new when it came out, still going strong. I even searched out a dock for it which is actually pretty awesome.
After having MacBooks for years, I got a thinkpad with a new job.. wow great keyboard, loads of ports, fantastic battery life, replaceable battery, just great. Got rid of my crap MacBook Pro and bought a Lenovo for myself and a 27" external screen with built in mic speakers and camera.. loving it.
Had my Thinkpad since 2008 and still going great. It did have some major work done over the years but I won't trade it for anything.
still have my acer aspire 7551 from 2009.. and it still seems better than this. lol.. 64bit, 2.2ghz AMD quadcore, I upgraded to 16gb ram (DDR3). I got it for about 250 back in 2010 (used). I've used it to run 2 big screens in my living room for over 6 years now.. And I'm usually running at least 4 browsers with about 40 tabs on each one.. It still runs fine somehow. :). I don't understand why everyone keeps talking about these thinkpads? Mine is 10 years older than this and it still seems like faster hardware.. We have a more modern little laptop that has some 1.7ghz.. something-- and running win11.. It's terrible. So I think you just talked me out of buying one of these thinkpads. :) .. I think I'll just dual boot with mint or zorin.. Or maybe go ultra light with MX or something else. I was getting sucked into the "linux thinkpad" vortex for a minute there....
My current daily driver is a t490 with the i7-8665u, 16GB of ram plus the 8 extra I added, a 512GB ssd and the 1440p glossy(only gripe) screen I got from CL in Sept of '21 for $380. It's under warranty until May of '23, 3 year warranties on business class stuff is awesome. I think they were going for over $700 at the time, far and away the nicest laptop I've ever owned. It'll just about handle BF3 lol.
I literally bought a T470s because of those awesome video. Almost bought a P51 because of your other video as well haha. Great videos!
Haha at least I'm sucking other people into the thinkpad hole and it's not just me.
@@aChairLeg I was already there but your review was so great and straightforward that I couldn't say no :)
Nice video. I buy used Dell Latitudes on the same principle, they are well made and well speced, companies lease loads of them and then they get dumped on the aftermarket after three years' use at a fraction of their original list price so there is a lot to be said for vanilla business machines.
Idk seems way better value for me, i bought acer aspire 5 with i3-1135g7 and nvme for 250$ on blackfriday brand new, afaik the cpu is better than these older cpus
@@reuven2010that modern i3 wouldnt perform that better than older i5 or i7, plus you're paying more for a more fragile machine. Used business laptops just hit differently.
I got a thinkpad t480 back in 2018 for college and it survived the whole journey, I was still using it daily up until last week when I built a PC with the money from my first full time job. Has a 4 core 8 thread i5 8350u and also an mx150 gpu. Never had any problems with it running any engineering workloads (code, CAD, FEA, etc). Cpu is rated for 15 watts but as long as it's running cool, I've seen it do 30+ watts sustained. I did some image rendering for some projects which could take a long time on it but I found a piece of software called tpfancontrol which really breathed new life into my machine. It basically lets you mess with the BIOS fan curve so I just cranked it up to reduce overheating bottlenecks, runs great under load (if you can get past the added noise of the tiny fan spinning at 5000 rpm), and I'm even able to run some light esport titles on it. The internal battery died a long time ago but I paid $50 for a 72 watt hour replacement battery ~2 years ago and can still easily get 4-5 hours on battery when on power saving mode. Nowadays I'm just more conscious of using Lenovo Vantage to limit my charging to 85% to save on battery health. Also upgraded to 16 gb ram last year. Probably ran for a bit over $1000 back then but definitely worth it imo, excellent and resilient machine, I'll be using this thing until it dies and I'll be very sad once that happens.
When it dies you may simply replace the internals🎉
T470 is the last good Thinkpad. I'm saying that as Lenovo employee. The new gen are absolute trash. I dont know what our devs are thinking or if Managment are forcing them to cut corners.
I was looking at the new thinkpads and it literally feels worse than my current laptop lol.
I would surely agree regarding T490, but what is the problem with T480?
just got the t14 gen 1 heard nothing but good reviews on it until i see this it’s coming in tomorrow
What are the cheapest lenovo laptop that's actually good in gaming?
Lenovo - can eat my *Entire Ass*
Good script, good experience and good topic, specialty with the arch Linux things
Keep going
Thank you!
Good video. I am also a fan of laptops in that range. Great value!
I've got the t470 with the i5 7th gen for almost 5 years, I've updated all that I could, I added a second disk on the extra pciE port, and two 8gb sticks of ram, and it still is my working laptop, programming in it is great, even using the touchscreen that for android emulation is useful too. Docker runs great too even though the core is not that heavy duty.
still old stuff
You can add a second disk?
@@carldrogo9492 Yes, I've added a little ngff disk of 512GB, on the extra pcie port it has, it was next to the wifi card. I saw this port when I opened the notebook to clean.
I bought a Thinkpad T470 with a 6th Gen i5, 8GB RAM and a 512GB SSD off eBay in August. Had a little scratch on it, but it's been my daily for doing generic tasks such as emails, coursework and it's been a dream to own. Paid about $135 for it and it's been amazing. Battery holds a super good charge and it can even handle a few basic games like Minecraft or even ROBLOX if a friend needs to borrow it.
how much u buy thinkpad t470??
Just bought a T470s w/ charger and new battery for $80. Waiting for it to arrive, your review was far more positive than I had hoped :)
Congratulations!
I have a VERY rare variant of the THINKPAD T460's with integrated AND a discrete graphics card.
These "S" Variant thinkpads are Amazing!
Thanks!
I have an x220 from maybe 2012 still going strong with Linux Mint. Planning to replace it soon but 10 years is a pretty good life for a laptop I think!
I still have my acer aspire 7551 from 2009.. and it still seems better than this. lol.. 64bit, 2.2ghz AMD quadcore, I upgraded to 16gb ram (DDR3). I got it for about 250 back in 2010 (used). I've used it to run 2 big screens in my living room for over 6 years now.. And I'm usually running at least 4 browsers with about 40 tabs on each one.. It still runs fine somehow. :). I don't understand why everyone keeps talking about these thinkpads? Mine is 10 years older than this and it still seems like faster hardware.. We have a more modern little laptop that has some 1.7ghz.. something-- and running win11.. It's terrible. So I think you just talked me out of buying one of these thinkpads. :) .. I think I'll just dual boot with mint or zorin.. Or maybe go ultra light with MX or something else. I was getting sucked into the "linux thinkpad" vortex for a minute there....
I still use daily a 10-year-old ThinkPad X1 Carbon (Gen 1), that's how tough and durable they are.
In next couple of years I may upgrade to a Gen 10 or X1 Extreme.
Before ThinkPad I had various laptops from HP, Sony Vaio, etc... they all fell apart after a couple of years. Also I find the Trackpoint much easier and faster than a trackpad, once you get the hang of it (the trick is holding it down with your middle finger and your thumb on the buttons.)
I'm still on a t420s and it runs like a clock. Once it no longer satisfies whatever I do on linux it'll become a compute node in my openstack setup until the end of time probably.
Love this type of content
That 180 degree opening is great if you have to close any tickets or do any work behind a steering wheel while parked. I got so attached of my T15 work laptop that I'm looking to get another one to have in hand just in case. Good stuff!
Watched this on my T470s with upgraded RAM and can assure you it's a wonderful computer. I even use it for things like digital sculpting on Zbrush and it handles pretty amazingly.
Love to hear it! My base model i5 for sure was lacking compared to the other CPU options offered
hello, may i know what size of RAM are used for the upgrade ? i have a 4GB of RAM soldered to motherboard and a 4GB if RAM inserted and i want to remove this ram to add either an 8GB or 16GB
@@Retwak The computer came with 8GB soldered and I added a further 16. Can't remember the exact brand. Computer is working great. One thing I'd like to change is the storage cos 250GB just isn't that much. I'll probably just add an SD card for storing files on since they're cheap.
@@Retwak Go with the 16gig ram module its really cheap to get now.
Max 32 RAM and 2 TB Ssd
I'm usually someone who prefers the business ranges of HP or Asus (loved HP's ProBook series back in the day), but the Thinkpad series usually has some great entries and I have several friends in the IT field who swear by them.
I'm in it support, HP ProBook series from 2019 onwards (G6, G7, G8) are better than ever, IMHO, infinitely tougher and more reliable than ThinkPad L, for example. Great value and quality for the price. Keyboards suck, though, as they always have wirh HP, but everytging else about them is great. Amazing, for the price, actually.
@@millancche At home, I use my desktop graphics station for most of my work (software development and CGI work for low-budget movie productions), but I also still have a ProBook 8440p for holidays and the like and after almost 12 years (and adding more RAM, a hybrid harddrive and a fresh aftermarket battery) the only problem with it was that I recently had to replace the spring for the pop-out LED that shines a light onto the keyboard. Still runs RetroArch and playback of 1080p videos just fine and that's all it needs to do.
@@Iskelderon what you use is old Elitebook, not Probook, beautiful and reliable stuff, i love and miss their design so much :) I guess you'll bw happy to know that modern Pro and Elitebooks are still good and worth buying ;)
I still use the old ThinkPad X61 and it works quite nicely ;)
@@AzraJ It just makes a world of difference when a laptop was actually designed for work and durability and not just a cheap price point and only RUclips and MS Office.
Gold star for the pic of Garden of the Gods on the screen. I have a T530 with an i5 CPU and I love it. I've been looking into some upgrades. I upgraded a few different ThinkPads for family and friends lately.
Edit to add that mine came with Windows 11 (which was debloated) and its running fine.
I just bought t70s last week , install zorin os and i am really happy with this laptop. Keyboard is amazing .
your commentary is incredibly entertaining.
Agreed! 👍🏽 looking forward to more content.
Definitely the ThinkPad Yoga x380 for me, can be had for sub 200 pounds, quad core processor, nvme drive, up to 16 gigs of ram, thin, light, touch screen and pen enabled. Durable and excellent keyboard too. It's right about the time businesses are selling them off, so they're dirt cheap.
For sure something else I'll have to look into in my hunt for the perfect Thinkpad!
Yes, like it a lot more than x1 yoga, cuz it just feels way more solid.
Best review of this laptop. Thanks man
I've always hated this laptop when it first came out, but after seeing this review. I think you've changed my mind. thanks for the video.
This review was very good and entertaining too! :) I've been looking at getting one of these! I'm a Linux (Endeavour OS) user and do some casual classic gaming as well as a bit of light coding, so it's perfect for a nice compact travel laptop that doesn't make me burst out in tears the moment I scratch the shell. Do the 460 and 470 both come with backlit keyboards?
As a business IT person, we don't sell our old laptops (we do manufacturing so they just get dirty) However I talked to my boss and hand them out to friends and family if they need something and we are tossing a decent one. While we use Dell, we have seen that same exact battery issue happen to laptops once they hit a few years old. Thank you for pointing that out since it can both be an added expense but also a safety one. The hard drive is the same issue, due to our manufacturing restrictions since we make guns, we have to take out all the hard drives after use.
All in all, I really liked this video and find myself agreeing about the idea that older isn't obsolete but you need to understand that it comes with some extra precautions when buying
what's happening to hard drives, are they grinded?
@@vipvip-tf9rw we send them to a data destruction company that picks them up once a month or so. Since a lot of laptops have moved onto NVMe that means we can't reuse the older solid states. If it has an NVMe we can image it on a new laptop to use them again.
Great Video. More people need to know the gospel of used business laptop. My 2013 X220 ist still used by my wife for InDesign, Photoshop and web browsing. I only upgraded the RAM and added an SSD
I just got one and honestly if it lasts until ‘25 that would be beyond my wildest dreams. I’m super excited, mine was $220 on cyber Monday.
I managed to pick up a T470 (none S variant) for a absolute steal of £160 GBP. Both RAM sticks are swappable and I even managed (with a little trickery) to install Windows 11. Now the T470 has basically no gaming capability at all, but I bought a docking station for it, hooked it to my bedside monitor and use Nvidia game stream. So its a laptop for travel and basically a bedroom terminal for my gaming desktop when I am at home.
I absolutely love this little laptop.
The T series is really amazing. Finding a good laptop that is built to last, thin, and doesn't have an apple logo can be challenging. Especially on a budget.
I've been using my T470 since last year, which I got for around $100. I ended up spending some money on a larger SSD and RAM and it's been great to use for me. It's a lovely laptop to use.
Just bought a used T470 with 16gb RAMon eBay for £129 GBP!
I picked up a T440 at the height of the pandemic for a price I’d rather not admit, but it’s fantastic for the money. It runs Windows 11 better than it ran windows 10! The batteries are a bit meh, an the processor can just about run a vm in virtualbox, but it’s usually plugged into my 34” Ultrawide. Only thing it really struggles with is 60hz on 1080p and above, 1440p at 30fps on RUclips is nice and crisp. Definitely a great deal for a laptop manufactured at the end of 2013! Don’t forget to install Lenovo Vantage if you want to control the max charge level of your batteries guys!
My next machine when it dies will be another thinkpad!
I swear, if I ever get another laptop it's gonna be a thinkpad. My father used their products for as long as I can remember and as far as I'm concerned, they seem to do a pretty great job.
Great review thanks. I'm a big fan of quality superceded gear instead of weak new stuff. I scored an amazing deal on a secondhand Huawei AMD 3500u powered notebook and its going well. That CPU is essentially two of the 6600Us in the lenovo and the screen on mine is superior. However, the single stick of soldered RAM hamstrings the 3500U badly. I suspect that the lenovo with 16 gigs of RAM in dual channel config would be the better option for getting proper work done. Alt tabbing through lots of stuff on mine bogs down badly beyond a certain point.
I suspect one of these Lenovos with new batteries and a correctly matched extra stick of RAM would be useful for years.
I'm partial to the X series from Lenovo. They have most of the specs of the T series, but also a touchscreen.
Badass little machines. Love the mouse nub thing too.
Well I did the same thing and bought a Thinkpad T480s in almost new shape with 1 year warranty. I paid USD 253. It has 8 gb ram, 256 gb SSD and a i5-8350U. Going to upgrade it with a 16 gb ram stick to a total of 24 gb.
It has perfect Linux support using RHEL 9.
Where did you buy it?
@@loiruckgodwin2372 At some danish 3rd party seller.
My x260 is still going strong. I do keep a lookout for a good deal on thinkpads, but in my country they tend to be overpriced nowadays.
I found a Lenovo SL510 in the e-waste bin of my building. I gave it 8Gb of DDR3 RAM, an SSD and I was able to get *two* replacement batteries from my local Microcenter for less than $50. I put Linux Mint: MATE Edition on it. It's awesome!
I got a T420s for Windows XP compatibility, but it still works well with Windows 10 if I need it to, also with a Core i7 in it. I love these things.
Loved the review, love your style.
'Meh', with cred. 💎
Always interested in cheaper editing desktop reviews, although I got sick of screwing around and spent the $1K I really needed to for a decent box, early last year before GPU prices went thru the roof. Phew...
I appreciate it! More budget computer/server content will be coming so I can get prepared to start uploading more. I also upgraded my pc recently... but it was more of a $400 upgrade to prepare me for switching all my content to native 4k. Once I get my server setup it'll finally be time to upgrade my camera for the first time in about 3 years of so.
I always recommend thinkpads to people. Lenovo has handily made some of the absolute best machines for durability and longevity in that lineup. I've got a 2016 model and a 2012 model both still putting in work using Linux, and I'm giving their ideapad a shot as well. Their Legion lineup is good for higher end gaming too.
I’m writing this on a 4 year old thinkpad x1 carbon 6. Definitely one of the best purchases I’vs made! No hiccups so far.
I’m in Canada. I’m still using one of these at work. Lenovo is the workhorse of the banking sector here. Though I’ll be upgrading shortly…to probably another Lenovo
This is perfect timing as I am in the market for a Windows laptop to run some Microsoft only diagnostic software. In fact you handed me a viable option on the plate. I was wondering if you came across T470s by accident or this model was chosen out of a few candidates? BTW, I do have i7/16GB ASUS from 2017 running Linux and it is still very good.
I was looking at the Dell Precision lineup as well. Namely the 5520 and 7520. I use them for work but due to lenovos reputation online I decided to go for the thinkpad. HP was ruled out due to prior experience with the brand. I think the Asus was decent, battery life was horrible from day one though and it would randomly hang even with a fresh windows install. Currently running the t495 w Ryzen 7 and I love it.
@@aChairLeg Thx for the context. I still have 2006 T41p which worked just fine (after upgrading memory) until damaged the screen recently. They last forever.
I really miss that 4:3 1400x1050 screen actually.
That gives me hope my T495 will last a long time! I'm personally more partial to 16:10, probably because it's a nice in-between. That alone is probably the only reason I'd get a different thinkpad, unless I start editing video on the go more often.
ThinkPads are also the only laptops certified for use on the International Space Station!
Very informative thanks!
Thanks for the vid, I saved the search on Ebay for future reference. I'm a Mac laptop and Windows desktop user but I want to get one of these to learn Arch Linux from the bottom up.
Fun fact, these do support windows 11,you just need to switch the tom support from cpu (tpm 1.2)to the embedded controller one with tpm 2.0
How to do it?
@@senangcoding4747 From what I recall, there should be an option in UEFI settings. Not sure if you need to update it first though. It'll be near some options marked as 'Intel Platform Security' or some such.
So I bought a T470 two days ago from Amazon, paid $256.00. Came in like new condition but only had 8GB of ram. I'm not a gamer but I do run multiple applications at the same time. This laptop kicks ass, I have had zero issues and to boot it came with Microsoft office which is a must for me. Can't say too much regarding this refurbished system, not a single scratch. I have already ordered an additional 16GB of ram (total will be 24GB) which I think is all my system needs to provide me with years of service. I'm so happy I also ordered another T470 today. Yes, I'm a value guy. Oh, the battery is in very good condition ran fine for a number of hours, really makes no difference because it's my office computer so it's always plugged in. Sorry for making this comment so long.
Here a 470 too. Unplug it every so often and let the battery drain till 15 % . I have 8gb ram and it’s more than enough for what I need. My working tank for every day
The longer the better. My T470s came with 8gb of RAM with a slot open. I also added 16gb and its snappy. It's a great computer...a little heavier than an X1 Carbon, but has all the ports you'll ever need.
I'm addicted to the TrackPoint and couldn't own a notebook without it. I bought mine for $175 and added 16gb of Crucial memory for $53. It also had 3 months left on the warranty so I got a new screen bezel, lid cover, keyboard, trackpad and yes, screen. It now looks like it came out of the box.
I also have a 10-year-old T430s that still purrs. About 5 years ago my cousin needed a computer for his new, one-man consulting business. I picked him up a T430 with 8gb of RAM, a 256 SSD, and a docking station. It's on 14 hours a day and doesn't skip a beat. He's never even used it as a notebook...just docked with an external keyboard and mouse. That's the reason ai only buy ThinkPads.
If you have it plugged in 24/7 you should remove the batteries, it'll degrade them. You may want to use them in the future and comparable batteries are $50-ish
@@menajemh Thanks for the tip
@@hoppysport2872 Thanks for the reply. I have since purchase 3 more systems. 2 T470's and one T480S (slim). Great deals for sure.
I have a Yoga 460 that's of a similar vintage as the T470, except that it takes that screen trick you did another 180 degrees further. The deck on the keyboard also lifts up in this action to lock the keys in place when it's in tablet mode. Used to be my work laptop, but my supervisor gave it to me since I'd said how nice it was when we were switching to Dell laptops across the board. No soldered on RAM like the T470 and still has the single RAM slot. However, it's still my favorite laptop to use due to the keyboard and the screen.
I daily a T430 and I have a T430S do background work for me. I built my mother a T430, and then built my father a T430 too.
I love these laptops.
Initially I bought a T460 for college and then I wanted take notes/draw digitally so I ended up switching to a Yoga 7i and I couldn't be happier for only $500 it is easily double the performance of the t460 and still very budget friendly. The only thing I miss is all the nice ports (usb-c isn't bad tho)
On the repairability side it's also much nicer because it just uses screws, not easily breakable hard to open plastic tabs
do u recommend me to but t460
@@leimpasta7870 depends on what you need it for, if your just doing basic web browsing and want something easily repairable it's very good but for only $300 you can get an used ideapad 3 or 5 with an 11th gen intel processor with iris graphics which will give well over double the performance on most gaming and rendering workloads
@@Polar_Onyx the one im buying is 16 gb ram and intel hd 620 and a decent i5 cpu do u think it's gonna be decent with games not big games normal ones
@@leimpasta7870 Like I said if you even want to do light gaming just go for the iris xe graphics it will make most indie games playable at 1080p. You can actually get the ideapad for cheaper with the i3 version I saw one for $180. With the hd 620 the most it will do is video streaming and classic arcade emulation it's basically 1/3 the performance of the iris xe chips
I had a phase of buying 'for parts' Thinkpads off eBay for
Just Made my decision to buy this lap thanks buddy
I changed my mind... found a t480s for 20$ more
No problem, glad I could help!
I have this laptop since 2017, and he still works ! I do study, first job, second job and third job as dev. He goes to United State, survives COVID-19... I install Ubuntu 18, Fedora 18, Windows 10. Wow !
just got a brand new t470s, for 300AUD. 2 core in 2022 might be rough, but should be fine for what i need .
For me, it was good for most things, but I did end up preferring the t495 w/ the Ryzen 3700u. I still have the 470s with the i7 7600u and it's miles better than the i5 for not much more if you hunt for a good deal.
Where did you find it for so cheap?
Anything I buy for videos is usually from ebay so that everyone can find at least similar prices.
Ive used a T470 for work for almost 2 years and have dropped it multiple times its still running strong, since i work in the medical field i do sanitize it with Lysol wipes , reason why some keys like Caps lock and the right and left click dont work anymore, but durability its great! Feels solid i though it cost $1000 but after seeing this video i cant believe its so cheap to buy now lol
Thank you, it works perfect!
Escelente video amigo... Muy bien explicado. Será mi próxima Laptop.
I used a T460 for a few years at work and was surprised at how well a dual core i5 would keep up (although I would go for a quad core still if given the choice). Recently got 'upgraded' to a T14 and it's probably the worst laptop I've ever used. It has been slimmed down, so no abundance of ports, the cooling is horrible and it throttles easily and they put the vents on the right side for some reason, so if you use a mouse with it in your right hand, prepare to get your hand cooked.
What cpu does it have?
Almost similar story for me. Had a T460 and then got a X1 with an i9. Understandably it was really hot, but the battery and screen both failed within a year.
Yeep .My friend bought, new top of the range Thinkpad for 2 grand and the build quality was shockingly bad comparing to my 2015 MacBook.It got
unbearably hot within minutes and the plastic felt like it’s going to snap in half.
@@adamnaperty Which model was it?
@@zNoah Hmm. No idea. It was about 2 years ago.
cool video i like the cat
I am using this device for couple of days now. one of the reliable device for students and office works. can do most of the works easily and effortlessly... soon willing to buy the x1
I have a XPS 15 9550 and it's still running strong. I barely have the need for a laptop but when I do I know I can trust it to do it's job.
The S in T470S means soldered 😉
The greatest weakness is that it is Dual Core..
Dual Core laptops fell off a cliff in price for good reason.
Ryzen x500U pretty much killed them.
Because there are how many AMD enterprise laptops....
@@ShainAndrews Lenovo has a selection of both Intel and AMD options these days.
I would like to know how these 6-7 gen i5s and i7s compare to the latest Celeron and Pentium Processors from the 12nd and 13th Gen. Because those laptops would be in the similar price range while only having shit build quality.
Nice! I also have the Thinkpad T470s, and it's amazing, I got it for my mom when it was new release for about a thousand dollars, And now It's so cheap! The one I Got came with A Intel Core i7 6600u, 8GB Dual Channel With A 256GB SSD With Windows 10 Pro.
buy 8th gen i5 or i7 laptops , intel doubled the core count from 2 to 4 when switching from 7th to 8th gen due to competition from amd. so 7th gen i5 i7 laptops have 4c 8t while 7th gen and lesser ones have 2c 4t. there were some very high end high power i7 models in laptops that were quad core but those were like 45w tdp.
I’ve recently bought a T480s i7-8650U off ebay with 256GB nvme and 16 gigs of ram for around $165 dollars. Got $30 back also for one broken fan blade which I glued back in. The case had some signs of heavy use, it was very dirty too. Took it apart, deep cleaned everything, and put it back together. The screen has a little defect which is hardly noticeable. I think I striked a pretty good deal. Already replaced the bottom logic. I plan on replacing the top logic, touchpad, and lid as well, maybe upgrading to 100% srgb screen too. It’s my daily driver. I’ve installed Arch Linux with Hyprland, undervolted the cpu and customized fan speeds to my liking. The battery holds pretty decent too. What a beast of a laptop.
I got a thinkpad t450 for around 60$. Was pleasantly surprised by the quality. I needed to replace the battery, but it was the i7 model with a 1600 x 900 touchscreen. Still works excellent for browsing, basic gaming, and more importantly school/work (port variety is appreciated). Even once Windows 10 support is dropped, I’ll just use Linux instead of the dual boot set up I have currently. Absolutely love this laptop, one of my favorites.
really nice video, Lenovo Notebooks are something special
Love the video, hate the fact that you just cost me over $200 because I "had to have" a T470s. lol. Also, your sense of humor is hilarious.