Hi great video .I met a Lady selling apple chip and fruit roll ups and dried Herbs at a Farmers Market .She dried everything in her greenhouse .She had 2 LARGE electric DEHYDRATERS that went 24/7 and the heat kept it warm all winter She grew cold crops Herbs ect in the greenhouse in the winter . I saw someone was operating a wood kiln next to a greenhouse and running the heat though the green house . So I tried the Dehydrator with apple chips and It worked . So I guess you can operate anything that makes heat to make you money . and get free heat .
That’s quite interesting, someone on here mentioned using bitcoin mining to heat also. Not sure how bitcoins doing these days lol anyways, doubling down on resources and returns is great as long as the investment pays it back your succeeding! Great share
We recently built a geothermal greenhouse it’s amazing! We have 7 tubes six feet deep and 240 feet around and we use a squirrel cage to pull the air through the tubes. The sheet metal and the soil around it help with thermal banking. We need a dehumidifier in the Winter and more fans consequently, I didn’t buy enough solar panels and batteries to run the greenhouse off grid. I want to get there eventually. Now I need to figure out how to heat the two above ground greenhouses. The above greenhouses are just for seedlings. We are learning a lot. Biochar is amazing! I use bricks for heat in the above greenhouse. We are moving the two above ground greenhouses so we have a lot of work to do. Great job. I pray you will have abundant harvest! Happy Fall! Wendy🧡🤎🐞
Solar and batteries can get pricey. Bit by bit works, we started with nothing really. Building your knowledge and your tools along the way is what it’s about, sounds like you’re off to a great start! Thank you for sharing!
@@Earthdwellershomestead thank you! I wished I would have gotten help but local companies won’t help you with off grid Solar. I only got hundred watt panels because I didn’t know anything. I would have been better off with higher watt panels, luckily here in Oklahoma we get a lot of sun. I got one company to come out because I met them at a coffee shop and they lived close. I need a lot more as far as panels and batteries. I am still learning. Have a blessed day
Years ago, I had horses in the foothills in Colorado, off on a jeep road, that was difficult to get to in the winter. But my horses needed water daily, so I carried 5 gallon buckets, through knee deep snow to their log barn. I had a propane cylinder there and kept it on its lowest setting, under a thick steel plate, which the aluminum water tank sat on, to keep from freezing overnight. I worried constantly about fires somehow starting, if the horses got spooked or bored or weird. That never happened. But I wish I had had this setup, I could have kept a water holding tank and the trough free of snow all winter.😊
I watch MIgardener. He said something about a RUclipsr who heated his greenhouse. That started my search that leaded me to you. Love your video. Great information!
I’ve watched some of his videos! I like edible acres also, although I don’t have much time to watch much of anything lol. Hopefully he gives me a shoutout 😂 he’s got a huge following and we plan to start our own homestead nursery in the future here. I believe he’s got a decently successful seed company now?
That would be an hour long video lol, we have videos covering all these topics separately. Feel free to explore the channel I may find all the links and post them up top, thanks for watching!
I bought an inexpensive super single deep water bed with a heater and then heater can be operated by solar inverter battery system all that water will keep the greenhouse warm and you can put the the water bed underneath tables... Sounds crazy but it works ...heck make a bedroom in the greenhouse😂😂
I love the compost idea. I haven't seen that one before. I'm just getting a small greenhouse up and I have multiple 55 gallon drums with water that I plan to heat with a solar collector steam generator but I love the compost idea. I can set up compost all along one wall which provides both heat and or insulation. TY
That’s quite intricate, what will you power with it? Or just using the heat created? I’ve seen them before just never messed with one. That may be a venture I’ll take here in the future lol thanks for the idea. We have used compost and free leaf bags for heat and compost through the winters as a means of growing for free
Just a parabolic solar collector that I am making myself. They produce a lot of heat and can easily produce a continuous stream of steam to heat the water. I've been testing hydroponics and plan to move up to aquaponics next year. I plan to use solar to generate aeration air flow and hopefully pumping the water. We get crazy heat and sunlight all summer when I need the power the most so it will be a year round effort. @@Earthdwellershomestead
How about a mass heat rocket stove - it's a bit of work to put together, but with a section a little larger than your heat-sink barrel of water, a rocket stove uses twigs and small bits of wood to create heat stored in the rocks around a section of pipe. Those rocks will deliver warmth to the greenhouse and also give you an area to warm yourself on a cold winter evening! Just a suggestion...
Been thinking about one for a while now. Trying to pull every btu off our greenhouse stove as thermal storage, the next greenhouse will get a rocket mass heater for sure. Thanks for checking this iut
Nice! I need to keep my goldfish tubs warmer in the winter. I'm currently making my hot compost piles so, I'll try it out as a heat source for them. Hopefully, it'll give the outside cat a warmer place in the winter as well. She is getting old but, she's a no-touch me. This might really help out the old girl. Thanks for sharing.
Maby a little more, at 88cfm we’re doing good. The fan would have to have solar electric ran to the middle and then the exit would be by my stove… it’s set up this way to blow over the plants directly. Good input for anyone following along! Thanks for watching
Just found you, I can't wait to watch all of your videos. We are in the middle of making our greenhouse and plan on using all of your methods. zone 5 (high dessert)
With your current setup you might want to consider getting some vacuum tube solar collectors and either switching from water to something like oil or putting something in your water to increase it's thermal capacity.
I’ve been experimenting with vegetable glycerin as an additive to allow more thermal capacity in water and to lower the freezing temp well below that of water alone for a closed loop heating system. Thanks for the great ideas and input it’s appreciated! And thanks for watching
water is 4x more efficient at holding heat than cement. you also use water in the gh and can use fish to help generate your fertilizer. cant get any more passive than a large pond or 300 gal cage tanks
Just had an idea! not sure if it would be feasible though. if you had that geothermal setup but use that as a thermal battery. so say you have your vent. instead of it having only 55 degrees. I am thinking wrapping your thermal tube area with a winding of pipe coiled evenly. Use a fireplace or any / solar etc method to heat that sand up in the ground. even go the extra mile and use foam board to cover it with. on the side and top.
It's been awhile since the 90s, but I had a chance to visit a large (40,000 square feet), research greenhouse where the owner had acquired some old gasoline tanks from decommissioned gas stations. Again, long time ago, but I want to say the tanks were basically plastic cylinders that held 20,000 gallons. He cut one lengthwise into semi-cylinders holding 10,000 gallons and put half of one in his greenhouse as a fish pond and heat sink. When I was there it was very windy with temps in the low 40s, but inside the greenhouse, with the doors open, it was in the high 70s.
It has been, the 90’s were cool to grow up in lol in 33 years old. That’s an awesome share! All that water holds massive amounts of energy as heat and retains thermal activity through the night I’m sure! We’re getting our own pond developed as cheap as possible inside here, thanks for sharing and watching!
We haven’t used lights yet, we need to as there’s a month or more in winter where the suns so weak and we don’t even see it usually behind the clouds. I’ve got myself a gfi outlet ran and some timers were going to experiment with some lights this winter. Great question! We have struggled with this for winters, being able to provide a growable environment but light is weak from the sun and we could see better growth with more lumens.
@@Earthdwellershomestead Definitely need to do that as 8 hrs of sunlight is not enough. Chickens also tend to lay less come winter but if you extend their hrs of light they will lay again.
Solar power- water pumps and waterproof fans, please check out all the Jean pain heating videos for better information.thank you for checking this out!
Geothermal buried under the greenhouse is about 8’ deep and hand dug lol after we built it.. works great in winter for low tunnels and such thanks for watching!
@@EarthdwellershomesteadYou on a hill? Here water is right beneath the surface, so it wouldn't work, i guess? Perhaps for the summer cooling alright, and breaking frost perhaps, but no significant warmth- how much of temp difference does it make, this method on itself? Thanks for the ideas. Greets from the lowlands.
Our greenhouse stove was a rocket stove till we got a flue and everything situated lol, I’d love to have a thermal mass stove. Kinda what I’m trying with all our bricks. Thanks for watching and sharing!
I wonder if you can use mulched leaves and sticks for a compost heap? And could multiple walls of clear plastic concentrate light and heat for a warmer green house?
You can use them yes as long as they aren’t too old and decayed you should be able to get heat do sure! Multiple walls will help but only go so far. Adding any amount of air in between would greatly bump up the insulation value.
I gave up on composting even tried compost starter while I know it works it never worked for me and I'm obviously not alone with this problem as all 5 of my composters all were from others who tried gave up and threw them away could have had over a hundred units I seen so many to give away and a lot out for trash only once did I have one turn to black dirt and that one the ants made a colony in tried to get them into other compost bins but ant are fussy about where they make their home now I use David the good fetid swamp water barrel and the water is great furtalizer tripled my crop I also know that composting can generate a lot of heat as back in the 60ties during the hippy and back to nature movements almost every day in our community the fire department responded to a compost fire I do like your idea of geothermal and those pipes under ground don't know how you dug your pipes in but all you need is a 12 foot deep hole at either end of your loops and horizontally boring works well 3 methods to use post hole drill and in and out post hole drill and a shop vacuum or water pressure with lots of water to flush out the water and dirt my dad drilled a horizontal hole from the building he built a water tank for 250 feet out to the hole for the water tank they had a 30 foot cement pad behind the building and over 200 feet of asphalt parking lot between the building zone and the tank and didn't want a trench cut thru it to to run the water line in so my dad went down in the basement nocked a hole in the concrete wall about 5 inches in diameter and using a post hole auger and a lot of sections of 3/4 black iron pipe drilled out to the tank he did have a great sense of of direction only person I knew who could take a piece of lumber look at where it was needed and without measuring cut it to fit if he needed to drill from both sides of a wall could drill into the wall and then go out to the the other side of the wall and then drill in hit the old hole don't know how he used to dig wells witched them drilling a test hole with a post hole auger then dug them to 4 feet in diameter when we went back to where he grew up and lived and worked in when he was in his 20ties ask an old timer if he knew where he had lived and he said no one with that last name had ever lived or worked in the area then I got smart and said that he might have known him as the digger or badger and he was off he knew both dad and his partner first thing he said was boy those Rudy's could dig and he knew all of dad's brother and sisters I guess it was like a lot of people we only know first names but once he put the nickname with the man then he could put the man in a family and he could then bring up memories from over forty years before line drilling is the best way and as for that coregated pipe just go dumpster diving at new home sites after the foundation is back filled there is a lot thrown out anc most is the solid pipe I've got 6 pieces 20 feet or loo
So I was going to do this but the lack of flow will burn out the element fast. I’ve got a hand full of different wattage heating elements I’m going to use for an experiment this winter if you want to follow along. Using some type of heat transfer fluid would probably be a better solution.
@@Earthdwellershomestead I definitively want to see what you do. I have two areas to heat - a greenhouse I need to throw together to protect my plants and I have 8 hens and need to come up with a solution to heat their water and provide a warm area if they need it to get out of the elements..
I'm confused about your compost hearing. In order to have the heart you need to turn it or provide oxygen to keep it hot. How do you turn it without disrupting your tubes?
You don’t have to turn a pile this big to keep active. This will burn for a year, last winter we did a pile half the size and a little more spread out as opposed to heaped high and it burned for 8-10 months
We kept a “live” floor, just the soil we built on. It allows me to adapt the greenhouse to our needs and grow right in the ground all year long, great question!
Hi, I will be using greenhouse domes on my food forest farm sites, 90', 120' and 196' diameters, to grow tropical food forest plantings, can your methods be scaled up to heat those spaces in zone 6 conditions, if so, please drop me a note as I can use the help in southern Oregon, and New Mexico, where I will be buying ranches for sale, thanks.
Any and all of these methods will work, and I shared all 4 because most will not be able to achieve one or the other based off size or space, and money limits. If you can I would develop a solid geothermal system first!
Thanks for the input, but plants' roots would not be good for a geothermal system as they would rupture any piping put into the ground, possibly it might work if the pipes went around the circumference of the domes, with heat radiating up from there, food for thought.
Very interesting, I wish I could tap into that lol! First start with a good quality shade cloth so it’ll last years. 30% is commonplace. Ventilation in mind having enough air movement is important. Fans may be necessary in your situation? The process of evaporation lowers the temperature, and old screen, broken terracotta pots, water, and a fan might be enough to get some climate control on the cheap.
My brother and his wife use their greenhouse for starting seeds in trays while snow is still on the ground and have seedlings ready for spring planting outside. Thus the greenhouse doesn't look very green. It's not a botanical garden like some people assume.
The geothermal we used drain tile, 4” relatively sturdy stuff. We buried about 60+ feet under our walk way about 8 feet down and it exchanges temps with the earth, bringing back up 50-55F great question
You are letting lots of heat wasted with this stove. You should build rocket stove from where you can direct exhaust pipe under your floor bricks. Rocket stove burns up most of the gases that comes from fuel as it burns at higher temperatures and it's easy to DIY (tons of videos on YT of different designs). When usual stoves exhaust pipe should go up to get normal oxygen inflow but rocket stove pushes fumes out like rocket so you can direct exhaust pipe parallelly up to 12 meters. Many people have made heated beds with rocket stove. But generally love your channel. Lots of good ideas! Keep up!
I wish we could do more with the stove, maby later on moving it taround but I had to have it exhausting through a solid wall to avoid poly fire. We also did a ton of water transfer over the stove heating up the water for a big thermal mass. Thanks for the ideas man, we’re always evolving and learning!
@@Earthdwellershomestead Fun part of rocket stove is that you don't have to have any part of stove bare metal exposed so eliminating fire hazard. Lazy people mostly dig glay from ground mix it with sand and straw and then patch it around pipe. Also you could build brick/glay wall around stove barrel area which accumulates heat or put metal water barrel on top of stove. Also when you have exhaust pipe under ground then it gives most of the heat away before leaving room not being fire hazard anymore. Having so long exhaust pipe eliminates possibility of getting sparks out.
I have a question with your geothermal 2 that you're running with the fence how far down do you bury it before you run it across to wherever you're going to have your outlets? at thanks in advance.
Our tubing outside is buried in our compost having a solid 6 feet from the outside of the pile, I have it all in place as the woodchips are dumped and stagger it through the layers up till it’s complete. Great question
Northern Illinois zone 4/5 we saw a month of clouds last winter, hence why we use so many methods. Our compost and geothermal held us over without issue for the over month of no direct sun and below freezing temps.
In desperate time for heat, I have stick candles that I can sink into a can of crisco. This candle will burn for about 30 days. It's my emergency backup heat source.
You have a couple of ideas we could try like the wood stove, but I guess you don't get much in the line of serious cold in your zone 4/5, eh? We see the mercury drop to -30°C to -40°C regularly every winter. Greetings from central Alberta, Canada.
Unattended stove with fires will one day haunt you. Some animal might try to get warm and spread the fire, coals relite with drafts etc. Don't burn your house down!
That seems rather ominous.. we spent lots of time designing where to put the stove and route it. Been using it for two years without ever having a coal escape the stove. When we are building heat for a cold winter night we will burn before dark storing all the heat from the stove in water and refuel the fire leaving it for the night and it really ramps up overnight temps. Thanks for the concern
You have to develop diversity in heating sources, good info thank you. A stove is fine so long as you use common sense, three hours of burning in the afternoon, while your working in it and transferring that heat to sand drums, 4-500°c, rather than water, maxing out at 212. Add a 2nd copper pipe out and attach a solar panel to charge and u only have to run fire on cloudy days or top up heat to sand (Baghdad battery). 100 %correct about earth's thermo heat, cut our platto base down to perma frost level, 7 years in the hills, not one frost or snow on the platto, with frost n snow all around us.
Minimal gasses, not too bad. Biggest issue is rodents you won’t ever see, attracted to the heat, food, water, in compost and greenhouse. They can cause serious damage to crops, wires, plastic, and they are dirty leaving residue on food and every surface they touch. Great question
My thoughts going to the next greenhouse build will have polycarbonate walls or possibly recycled windows. Having solid walls would be make insulating, heating, and growing easier. Great input, thank you
The geothermal your drawing from the earth is the cats meow! If time, equipment and money were available in seems that there could be an advantage to increasing the absorption of the earth where the pipe is laid. An important aspect of efficiency is the type of pipe used. Plastic is common and easy to use but doesnt transfer the temperature difference as well as metal. The ground could be amended during pipe laying to increase its ability to absorb heat in daytime, summertime for release at night. Your on the right track with composting and the heat generated from it. You can recover the heat and get the end result of compost that is needed. Setting up the compost system with the heat recovery piping as well as a methane recovery system for its use as a fuel.
@@magicone9327 we’ve been experimenting with with this for quite a while and there’s always more to learn. We collect heat off water and air tubing from compost, being our best way to recover heat without building a structure over the pile and Sharing the airspace with the greenhouse but I don’t want to do that for a few reasons. Methane is intriguing to me and the capture is difficult from a pile like this that doesn’t have a way to seal it.. I’ve tired a couple ways to harvest methane from the piles I’ve had but sealing methane producing matter in a container or bag is the only way to really trap it
Why not add a black container filled with sand and run the exhaust from the compost in tubing thru the sand then out to the green house. The sand would hold some of the heat like a heat battery..
We sourced 60f-80f all winter with water and air, I encourage you to look through the Jean pain compost heating playlist if you find it interesting. I’ve tried to share temps, growth, and overall operation/set. Thanks for checking this out!
I wonder what kind of winter you r talking about...what area...state? Wood chips compost is best heat investment. $ will stay in your ground..,,, Remember that not only the soil creates the plants...but the plants create the soil...the great allys in Neetles, Comfrey, Valerian etc will feed microbial life and create brand new nitrogen, phosphorus from thin air...
Zone 4/5, great analogy, we’ve got natural nettles and tons of blocking comfrey, both great plants for dynamic accumulating! Thanks for checking this out and sharing!
I want to get an old bathtub and fill it full of sand and bury a dc hot water element and a thermostat and power it with a few solar panels connected to a solar generator, safe heat all night
Yes sir that would be great! I’ve been trying to acquire free sand to build thermal masses with. I wanna try a water heater for moving water off solar panels too, good idea man thanks for sharing!
@dustyflats3832 it would be less energy required to heat the sand faster. Moist sand would take longer but hold heat longer and water would take the longest to heat but hold it much longer. I’m currently waiting for the element to show up so I can put it together lol
6:03 It's not free energy when it requires a resource to produce the heat, Now it could be said that it's financially costless depending on the material(s) source, but its definitely not free. Just like how you cannot create energy, only convert one source into another with some expected loss during conversion.
@@Earthdwellershomestead But in order to get that free energy to the panels, you'd first have to buy the panels, controller and batteries. or just panels and controller, depending on its application. if you acquired these things for free then yes, you could say it's free energy, but eventually, something will need to be replaced or repaired.
We have long cold winters here also, there quite unpredictable anymore. This heating was built for the cold months. We need the heat for at least 4-5 months of the year. Thanks for watching, glad to see this made it around lol
He is I northern Illinois Z4-5. It use to and still can at times be well below freezing. North of him we used to get -40 frequently, but since global warming everywhere is heating up. Sunlight is not at a premium either with cloudy and short days. This weather easily can last 5-6 months for most in the northern 40 degrees latitude.
With the constant chemtrailing it certainly makes logical sense to grow your plants within a greenhouse and filter the flowing air through water tanks for the fine particulates and maintain a high humidity. Better to grow your own than to buy gmo's and already dead food that's stock rotated for 12 months or more and dosed with more pesticides, herbicides, fungicides and glyphosate you could prematurely die from, even from neighbours spraying that know no better. Black water tanks and piping to recirculate the heated water and also your utilising composting heat is great. No point supporting others to maintain their riches because when you have a superior quality food or even service they sell themselves. Cheers
I'm allergic to fiber, so all I eat is meat and honestly, raising cattle seems to be, on the syrface at least, to be way less codtly and is absolutely way less hassle, than raising plants. My ladies (cows) love cold weather.
I have in many videos this was a compilation of all the methods explained, feel free to check out all the videos on these subjects on our channel thanks for watching
The greenhouse and the solar panels have paid for themselves many times over. At 100$ for a solar kit you can create between 700w-1400w a day - that’s 21,000watts or 21 kilowatts a month on the low end with 7 hours of sunlight , paying us back in the end when we have no bills.
I have a 9'x12' pressure treated wood and corrugated polycarbonate greenhouse with dirt floor and 10' tall at peak. Our land has a big hill blocking the south and west directions, so we barely get any direct sunlight in the winter. I tried a 3'x3'x8' compost pile inside the greenhouse last year and the terra cotta heater with vegetable shortening candles. What would be the best idea for me to try. I'm in zone 6b and I'm not allowed to use electric heat after losing our home to an electrical fire. Do u have a vid about the underground thermal tubes u talked about?
I have diy geothermal videos describing everything going on with it but nothing during the build. I hand dug it out one weekend in the middle of winter, went down about 7-1/2 -8 feet under the greenhouse and it works great to bring solid temps back up, there’s probably 50 feet buried in the greenhouse. Thanks for checking this out
Hi great video .I met a Lady selling apple chip and fruit roll ups and dried Herbs at a Farmers Market .She dried everything in her greenhouse .She had 2 LARGE electric DEHYDRATERS that went 24/7 and the heat kept it warm all winter She grew cold crops Herbs ect in the greenhouse in the winter . I saw someone was operating a wood kiln next to a greenhouse and running the heat though the green house . So I tried the Dehydrator with apple chips and It worked . So I guess you can operate anything that makes heat to make you money . and get free heat .
Can’t imagine her electric bill.
Nothing free in that
Its 100% Free @@whodafukarweetribe
@@oakmaiden2133I guess you don't know that a dehydrator is low power, a fan and a low heat like a light bulb size.... Another basement critic...
That’s quite interesting, someone on here mentioned using bitcoin mining to heat also. Not sure how bitcoins doing these days lol anyways, doubling down on resources and returns is great as long as the investment pays it back your succeeding! Great share
We recently built a geothermal greenhouse it’s amazing! We have 7 tubes six feet deep and 240 feet around and we use a squirrel cage to pull the air through the tubes. The sheet metal and the soil around it help with thermal banking. We need a dehumidifier in the Winter and more fans consequently, I didn’t buy enough solar panels and batteries to run the greenhouse off grid. I want to get there eventually. Now I need to figure out how to heat the two above ground greenhouses. The above greenhouses are just for seedlings. We are learning a lot. Biochar is amazing! I use bricks for heat in the above greenhouse. We are moving the two above ground greenhouses so we have a lot of work to do. Great job. I pray you will have abundant harvest! Happy Fall! Wendy🧡🤎🐞
Solar and batteries can get pricey. Bit by bit works, we started with nothing really. Building your knowledge and your tools along the way is what it’s about, sounds like you’re off to a great start! Thank you for sharing!
How do squirrel cages suck air?
@@Earthdwellershomestead thank you! I wished I would have gotten help but local companies won’t help you with off grid Solar. I only got hundred watt panels because I didn’t know anything. I would have been better off with higher watt panels, luckily here in Oklahoma we get a lot of sun. I got one company to come out because I met them at a coffee shop and they lived close. I need a lot more as far as panels and batteries. I am still learning. Have a blessed day
@@JS-jh4cy sits on top of the tubes and pulls the air through the tubes and out the other end
solar sand batteries. look into them. crazy eazy to set up and achieve
Years ago, I had horses in the foothills in Colorado, off on a jeep road, that was difficult to get to in the winter. But my horses needed water daily, so I carried 5 gallon buckets, through knee deep snow to their log barn. I had a propane cylinder there and kept it on its lowest setting, under a thick steel plate, which the aluminum water tank sat on, to keep from freezing overnight. I worried constantly about fires somehow starting, if the horses got spooked or bored or weird. That never happened. But I wish I had had this setup, I could have kept a water holding tank and the trough free of snow all winter.😊
I watch MIgardener. He said something about a RUclipsr who heated his greenhouse. That started my search that leaded me to you. Love your video. Great information!
I’ve watched some of his videos! I like edible acres also, although I don’t have much time to watch much of anything lol. Hopefully he gives me a shoutout 😂 he’s got a huge following and we plan to start our own homestead nursery in the future here. I believe he’s got a decently successful seed company now?
I would love to hear about the specifics of how each of these systems works.
That would be an hour long video lol, we have videos covering all these topics separately. Feel free to explore the channel I may find all the links and post them up top, thanks for watching!
I bought an inexpensive super single deep water bed with a heater and then heater can be operated by solar inverter battery system all that water will keep the greenhouse warm and you can put the the water bed underneath tables... Sounds crazy but it works ...heck make a bedroom in the greenhouse😂😂
That’s wild man. Never woulda thought of that.. I’ll have to look one up lol is it flat and the length of the bed?
I love the compost idea. I haven't seen that one before. I'm just getting a small greenhouse up and I have multiple 55 gallon drums with water that I plan to heat with a solar collector steam generator but I love the compost idea. I can set up compost all along one wall which provides both heat and or insulation. TY
That’s quite intricate, what will you power with it? Or just using the heat created? I’ve seen them before just never messed with one. That may be a venture I’ll take here in the future lol thanks for the idea. We have used compost and free leaf bags for heat and compost through the winters as a means of growing for free
Just a parabolic solar collector that I am making myself. They produce a lot of heat and can easily produce a continuous stream of steam to heat the water. I've been testing hydroponics and plan to move up to aquaponics next year. I plan to use solar to generate aeration air flow and hopefully pumping the water. We get crazy heat and sunlight all summer when I need the power the most so it will be a year round effort. @@Earthdwellershomestead
How about a mass heat rocket stove - it's a bit of work to put together, but with a section a little larger than your heat-sink barrel of water, a rocket stove uses twigs and small bits of wood to create heat stored in the rocks around a section of pipe. Those rocks will deliver warmth to the greenhouse and also give you an area to warm yourself on a cold winter evening! Just a suggestion...
Been thinking about one for a while now. Trying to pull every btu off our greenhouse stove as thermal storage, the next greenhouse will get a rocket mass heater for sure. Thanks for checking this iut
Those are really great tips!!
Glad you found them informative, thanks for checking this one out!
Great video! Thanks for sharing.
Nice! I need to keep my goldfish tubs warmer in the winter. I'm currently making my hot compost piles so, I'll try it out as a heat source for them. Hopefully, it'll give the outside cat a warmer place in the winter as well. She is getting old but, she's a no-touch me. This might really help out the old girl. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for checking this one out!
Loved the methods, just subbed.
Thank you! Great to have you on board
If you use the same fan and place it on the exhaust end of the geothermal tube pulling rather than pushing the air, you will get more airflow
Maby a little more, at 88cfm we’re doing good. The fan would have to have solar electric ran to the middle and then the exit would be by my stove… it’s set up this way to blow over the plants directly. Good input for anyone following along! Thanks for watching
Just found you, I can't wait to watch all of your videos. We are in the middle of making our greenhouse and plan on using all of your methods. zone 5 (high dessert)
Great! Welcome aboard hopefully you find some useful information here on our channel! Thanks for checking this one out!
With your current setup you might want to consider getting some vacuum tube solar collectors and either switching from water to something like oil or putting something in your water to increase it's thermal capacity.
I’ve been experimenting with vegetable glycerin as an additive to allow more thermal capacity in water and to lower the freezing temp well below that of water alone for a closed loop heating system. Thanks for the great ideas and input it’s appreciated! And thanks for watching
would love to build a compost heater. to heat my mobile home. I plan to put in under floor heaters. so i know it would work very well.
Very interesting, build a heap and pull up close to it for exchanging.
Awesome video
Thank you!
Love the compost idea
water is 4x more efficient at holding heat than cement. you also use water in the gh and can use fish to help generate your fertilizer. cant get any more passive than a large pond or 300 gal cage tanks
Just had an idea! not sure if it would be feasible though. if you had that geothermal setup but use that as a thermal battery. so say you have your vent. instead of it having only 55 degrees. I am thinking wrapping your thermal tube area with a winding of pipe coiled evenly.
Use a fireplace or any / solar etc method to heat that sand up in the ground. even go the extra mile and use foam board to cover it with. on the side and top.
Cold air floor dumps would be beneficial
It's been awhile since the 90s, but I had a chance to visit a large (40,000 square feet), research greenhouse where the owner had acquired some old gasoline tanks from decommissioned gas stations. Again, long time ago, but I want to say the tanks were basically plastic cylinders that held 20,000 gallons. He cut one lengthwise into semi-cylinders holding 10,000 gallons and put half of one in his greenhouse as a fish pond and heat sink. When I was there it was very windy with temps in the low 40s, but inside the greenhouse, with the doors open, it was in the high 70s.
It has been, the 90’s were cool to grow up in lol in 33 years old. That’s an awesome share! All that water holds massive amounts of energy as heat and retains thermal activity through the night I’m sure! We’re getting our own pond developed as cheap as possible inside here, thanks for sharing and watching!
You mentioned you are in Zone 4b/5a...could you please mention where you live in that zone? I live in zone 4b/5a near the Rapid City, SD area. Thanks!
Northern Illinois close to Wisconsin
Im curious how you guys are extending the light available to these plants.
LED grow lights i image?
Keep sharing TRUTH people, love it
We haven’t used lights yet, we need to as there’s a month or more in winter where the suns so weak and we don’t even see it usually behind the clouds. I’ve got myself a gfi outlet ran and some timers were going to experiment with some lights this winter. Great question! We have struggled with this for winters, being able to provide a growable environment but light is weak from the sun and we could see better growth with more lumens.
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Definitely need to do that as 8 hrs of sunlight is not enough.
Chickens also tend to lay less come winter but if you extend their hrs of light they will lay again.
Brilliant!
Nice job, BTW 🙂
I love it. How do you draw heat from the compost pile
Solar power- water pumps and waterproof fans, please check out all the Jean pain heating videos for better information.thank you for checking this out!
How deep are your thermal tubes? im in zone 8 so i dont need so much heat. love the solar too, i planned the same, simple and working, thanks.
Geothermal buried under the greenhouse is about 8’ deep and hand dug lol after we built it.. works great in winter for low tunnels and such thanks for watching!
@@Earthdwellershomestead 8 feet = 2,5 meter? That ís deep. What if you dig into water?
@ErwinvanHolten water is much lower. 30-40ft where I’m at. Our well is 100ft
@@EarthdwellershomesteadYou on a hill? Here water is right beneath the surface, so it wouldn't work, i guess? Perhaps for the summer cooling alright, and breaking frost perhaps, but no significant warmth- how much of temp difference does it make, this method on itself? Thanks for the ideas. Greets from the lowlands.
Do you use perforated drain pipe for the compost heater?
Nope , it only transfers heat not gasses.
What depth was the pipe put in, please, as I couldn't read the yellow script.
We buried our geothermal 8 feet under the greenhouse and it works perfectly, appreciate you watching!
Thank you, watching from central Portugal.
How did you estimate the BTU output of the compost pile? (7:23)
1660 btu per cubic yard/ 4 cubic yards per ton. 6640 btu per ton per hour. 9 tons is just under 60,000 Btu of compost. Great question!!
I’m assuming you have heard of rocket chimneys or bench chimneys that capture heat from the outgoing smoke.
Our greenhouse stove was a rocket stove till we got a flue and everything situated lol, I’d love to have a thermal mass stove. Kinda what I’m trying with all our bricks. Thanks for watching and sharing!
I wonder if you can use mulched leaves and sticks for a compost heap? And could multiple walls of clear plastic concentrate light and heat for a warmer green house?
You can use them yes as long as they aren’t too old and decayed you should be able to get heat do sure! Multiple walls will help but only go so far. Adding any amount of air in between would greatly bump up the insulation value.
Waste oil heater is good source of free heat. You can charge a small fee to change the oil on friends and family vehicles, get paid and get free oil.
I gave up on composting even tried compost starter while I know it works it never worked for me and I'm obviously not alone with this problem as all 5 of my composters all were from others who tried gave up and threw them away could have had over a hundred units I seen so many to give away and a lot out for trash only once did I have one turn to black dirt and that one the ants made a colony in tried to get them into other compost bins but ant are fussy about where they make their home now I use David the good fetid swamp water barrel and the water is great furtalizer tripled my crop I also know that composting can generate a lot of heat as back in the 60ties during the hippy and back to nature movements almost every day in our community the fire department responded to a compost fire I do like your idea of geothermal and those pipes under ground don't know how you dug your pipes in but all you need is a 12 foot deep hole at either end of your loops and horizontally boring works well 3 methods to use post hole drill and in and out post hole drill and a shop vacuum or water pressure with lots of water to flush out the water and dirt my dad drilled a horizontal hole from the building he built a water tank for 250 feet out to the hole for the water tank they had a 30 foot cement pad behind the building and over 200 feet of asphalt parking lot between the building zone and the tank and didn't want a trench cut thru it to to run the water line in so my dad went down in the basement nocked a hole in the concrete wall about 5 inches in diameter and using a post hole auger and a lot of sections of 3/4 black iron pipe drilled out to the tank he did have a great sense of of direction only person I knew who could take a piece of lumber look at where it was needed and without measuring cut it to fit if he needed to drill from both sides of a wall could drill into the wall and then go out to the the other side of the wall and then drill in hit the old hole don't know how he used to dig wells witched them drilling a test hole with a post hole auger then dug them to 4 feet in diameter when we went back to where he grew up and lived and worked in when he was in his 20ties ask an old timer if he knew where he had lived and he said no one with that last name had ever lived or worked in the area then I got smart and said that he might have known him as the digger or badger and he was off he knew both dad and his partner first thing he said was boy those Rudy's could dig and he knew all of dad's brother and sisters I guess it was like a lot of people we only know first names but once he put the nickname with the man then he could put the man in a family and he could then bring up memories from over forty years before line drilling is the best way and as for that coregated pipe just go dumpster diving at new home sites after the foundation is back filled there is a lot thrown out anc most is the solid pipe I've got 6 pieces 20 feet or loo
What are the fans of pumps running on
@@user-px2sn8pr5t all solar power
I am going to be testing out filling my old stove with sand, then add heater elements in there, powered by solar panels.
So I was going to do this but the lack of flow will burn out the element fast. I’ve got a hand full of different wattage heating elements I’m going to use for an experiment this winter if you want to follow along. Using some type of heat transfer fluid would probably be a better solution.
@@Earthdwellershomestead I definitively want to see what you do. I have two areas to heat - a greenhouse I need to throw together to protect my plants and I have 8 hens and need to come up with a solution to heat their water and provide a warm area if they need it to get out of the elements..
I'm confused about your compost hearing. In order to have the heart you need to turn it or provide oxygen to keep it hot. How do you turn it without disrupting your tubes?
You don’t have to turn a pile this big to keep active. This will burn for a year, last winter we did a pile half the size and a little more spread out as opposed to heaped high and it burned for 8-10 months
@@Earthdwellershomestead wow! Ok, thanks
What zone? Also can you tell me why greenhouses are often built with a dome rather a rectangular or straight surfaces?
Zone 4/5 northern Illinois, basic building I would say, allowing rain and snow to fall off. Although there is greenhouses of every size and shape lol
Design is usually based off light and location (temps)
what do you use for the floor on the green house?
We kept a “live” floor, just the soil we built on. It allows me to adapt the greenhouse to our needs and grow right in the ground all year long, great question!
Hi, I will be using greenhouse domes on my food forest farm sites, 90', 120' and 196' diameters, to grow tropical food forest plantings, can your methods be scaled up to heat those spaces in zone 6 conditions, if so, please drop me a note as I can use the help in southern Oregon, and New Mexico, where I will be buying ranches for sale, thanks.
Any and all of these methods will work, and I shared all 4 because most will not be able to achieve one or the other based off size or space, and money limits. If you can I would develop a solid geothermal system first!
Thanks for the input, but plants' roots would not be good for a geothermal system as they would rupture
any piping put into the ground, possibly it might work if the pipes went around the circumference of the domes, with heat radiating up from there, food for thought.
Do you have one way to cool my greenhouse without going broke? ( Geothermal where I am is is creating hot springs.)
Very interesting, I wish I could tap into that lol! First start with a good quality shade cloth so it’ll last years. 30% is commonplace. Ventilation in mind having enough air movement is important. Fans may be necessary in your situation? The process of evaporation lowers the temperature, and old screen, broken terracotta pots, water, and a fan might be enough to get some climate control on the cheap.
We water real well to keep ours warm enough that the roots won’t freeze.
Any plants in that green house?
My brother and his wife use their greenhouse for starting seeds in trays while snow is still on the ground and have seedlings ready for spring planting outside. Thus the greenhouse doesn't look very green. It's not a botanical garden like some people assume.
There’s quite a bit of valuable food growing which snow on the ground outside right now, thanks for checking this out!
for the geothermal does the pipe go into like a big hole in the ground or does the heat go through the pipe
The geothermal we used drain tile, 4” relatively sturdy stuff. We buried about 60+ feet under our walk way about 8 feet down and it exchanges temps with the earth, bringing back up 50-55F great question
What solar heater do you use??
We use lots of different constructed and passive solar heaters
We're is the greens???😊
Everything was small and replanted recently for winter in this video. We’ve got food in there lol
You are letting lots of heat wasted with this stove. You should build rocket stove from where you can direct exhaust pipe under your floor bricks. Rocket stove burns up most of the gases that comes from fuel as it burns at higher temperatures and it's easy to DIY (tons of videos on YT of different designs). When usual stoves exhaust pipe should go up to get normal oxygen inflow but rocket stove pushes fumes out like rocket so you can direct exhaust pipe parallelly up to 12 meters. Many people have made heated beds with rocket stove.
But generally love your channel. Lots of good ideas! Keep up!
I wish we could do more with the stove, maby later on moving it taround but I had to have it exhausting through a solid wall to avoid poly fire. We also did a ton of water transfer over the stove heating up the water for a big thermal mass. Thanks for the ideas man, we’re always evolving and learning!
@@Earthdwellershomestead Fun part of rocket stove is that you don't have to have any part of stove bare metal exposed so eliminating fire hazard. Lazy people mostly dig glay from ground mix it with sand and straw and then patch it around pipe. Also you could build brick/glay wall around stove barrel area which accumulates heat or put metal water barrel on top of stove. Also when you have exhaust pipe under ground then it gives most of the heat away before leaving room not being fire hazard anymore. Having so long exhaust pipe eliminates possibility of getting sparks out.
@@Earthdwellershomestead I sent on link to your email with examples of beautiful glay rocket stoves. You can build it in any size you want.
@marsilt next project bro 🤜
@@marsiltcan you please share this link to match your description, so we all could look at it? Thanks.
I have a question with your geothermal 2 that you're running with the fence how far down do you bury it before you run it across to wherever you're going to have your outlets? at thanks in advance.
Our tubing outside is buried in our compost having a solid 6 feet from the outside of the pile, I have it all in place as the woodchips are dumped and stagger it through the layers up till it’s complete. Great question
What state/city are you near? I have 2000gal of water to store heat in my passive gh, but 2 weeks of clouds and sub freezing temps doesn't work.
Northern Illinois zone 4/5 we saw a month of clouds last winter, hence why we use so many methods. Our compost and geothermal held us over without issue for the over month of no direct sun and below freezing temps.
In desperate time for heat, I have stick candles that I can sink into a can of crisco. This candle will burn for about 30 days. It's my emergency backup heat source.
1 candle per can.
You have a couple of ideas we could try like the wood stove, but I guess you don't get much in the line of serious cold in your zone 4/5, eh? We see the mercury drop to -30°C to -40°C regularly every winter. Greetings from central Alberta, Canada.
Your arctic cold blasts down here once in a winter and boy you can keep it 🥶 lol we’re in. Northern Illinois in the states
Unattended stove with fires will one day haunt you. Some animal might try to get warm and spread the fire, coals relite with drafts etc. Don't burn your house down!
That seems rather ominous.. we spent lots of time designing where to put the stove and route it. Been using it for two years without ever having a coal escape the stove. When we are building heat for a cold winter night we will burn before dark storing all the heat from the stove in water and refuel the fire leaving it for the night and it really ramps up overnight temps. Thanks for the concern
You have to develop diversity in heating sources, good info thank you. A stove is fine so long as you use common sense, three hours of burning in the afternoon, while your working in it and transferring that heat to sand drums, 4-500°c, rather than water, maxing out at 212. Add a 2nd copper pipe out and attach a solar panel to charge and u only have to run fire on cloudy days or top up heat to sand (Baghdad battery). 100 %correct about earth's thermo heat, cut our platto base down to perma frost level, 7 years in the hills, not one frost or snow on the platto, with frost n snow all around us.
Why is it a bad idea to put the compost inside the greenhouse?
Minimal gasses, not too bad. Biggest issue is rodents you won’t ever see, attracted to the heat, food, water, in compost and greenhouse. They can cause serious damage to crops, wires, plastic, and they are dirty leaving residue on food and every surface they touch. Great question
@@Earthdwellershomesteadplus it takes up a lot of room.
Would be great to know where you're at to actually get an idea what temperatures/climate you're experiencing during winter months.
Zone 4/5 , northern Illinois, United States
@@Earthdwellershomestead thanks, this is much more helpful right now! 👍
Why on "earth" don't you have your compost in the greenhouse ???
Great question! PESTS
What's up with your H2o source?
It held my sons fish all summer. We drained it before we set this years pile up, we reuse tanks but not always water lol.
Nice ideas, but if you want some real heat in a greenhouse use lots of composted horse and pony manure fertilizer about 3 ' deep. Good luck
Great idea but when we do hot beds of compost inside we have animal activity, shrews and voles will burrow right in and ruin crops-
How do you get the heat from the compost into your greenhouse?
Transferring the heat through lines inside the pile running to the greenhouse. We’ve got a lot of videos covering this subject. Thanks for watching !
haybales work great.
They do! We have scoured local towns till every fall for leaf bags and hay bales for composting and insulation, if had for free it’s a win win
Seems that money well spent would be the glazing. Getting the best for keeping heat in.
My thoughts going to the next greenhouse build will have polycarbonate walls or possibly recycled windows. Having solid walls would be make insulating, heating, and growing easier. Great input, thank you
The geothermal your drawing from the earth is the cats meow! If time, equipment and money were available in seems that there could be an advantage to increasing the absorption of the earth where the pipe is laid. An important aspect of efficiency is the type of pipe used. Plastic is common and easy to use but doesnt transfer the temperature difference as well as metal. The ground could be amended during pipe laying to increase its ability to absorb heat in daytime, summertime for release at night. Your on the right track with composting and the heat generated from it. You can recover the heat and get the end result of compost that is needed. Setting up the compost system with the heat recovery piping as well as a methane recovery system for its use as a fuel.
@@magicone9327 we’ve been experimenting with with this for quite a while and there’s always more to learn. We collect heat off water and air tubing from compost, being our best way to recover heat without building a structure over the pile and Sharing the airspace with the greenhouse but I don’t want to do that for a few reasons. Methane is intriguing to me and the capture is difficult from a pile like this that doesn’t have a way to seal it.. I’ve tired a couple ways to harvest methane from the piles I’ve had but sealing methane producing matter in a container or bag is the only way to really trap it
Egg paint?!!!😳 what’s that?
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Why not add a black container filled with sand and run the exhaust from the compost in tubing thru the sand then out to the green house. The sand would hold some of the heat like a heat battery..
Sand battery is out next project with a window box and a large old steel water softener tank, great idea and it’s coming soon lol
Killer ideas. how are you transferring the heat from the mulch pile to the greenhouse?
We sourced 60f-80f all winter with water and air, I encourage you to look through the Jean pain compost heating playlist if you find it interesting. I’ve tried to share temps, growth, and overall operation/set. Thanks for checking this out!
@@Earthdwellershomestead I will check those out and thanks a lot for your response and the awesome vids!
install copper sticks in the ground
I wonder what kind of winter you r talking about...what area...state? Wood chips compost is best heat investment. $ will stay in your ground..,,, Remember that not only the soil creates the plants...but the plants create the soil...the great allys in Neetles, Comfrey, Valerian etc will feed microbial life and create brand new nitrogen, phosphorus from thin air...
Zone 4/5, great analogy, we’ve got natural nettles and tons of blocking comfrey, both great plants for dynamic accumulating! Thanks for checking this out and sharing!
I grow in my apartment
I want to get an old bathtub and fill it full of sand and bury a dc hot water element and a thermostat and power it with a few solar panels connected to a solar generator, safe heat all night
Yes sir that would be great! I’ve been trying to acquire free sand to build thermal masses with. I wanna try a water heater for moving water off solar panels too, good idea man thanks for sharing!
@@Earthdwellershomesteadwould a water heating element work though for heating a thermal mass like sand? Aren’t they more designed for liquid?
@dustyflats3832 it would be less energy required to heat the sand faster. Moist sand would take longer but hold heat longer and water would take the longest to heat but hold it much longer. I’m currently waiting for the element to show up so I can put it together lol
6:03 It's not free energy when it requires a resource to produce the heat, Now it could be said that it's financially costless depending on the material(s) source, but its definitely not free.
Just like how you cannot create energy, only convert one source into another with some expected loss during conversion.
I thought water was better for heat storage.
The sun shines free energy on me and my panels , I suppose the operating cost is .000001 cent
@@Earthdwellershomestead But in order to get that free energy to the panels, you'd first have to buy the panels, controller and batteries. or just panels and controller, depending on its application. if you acquired these things for free then yes, you could say it's free energy, but eventually, something will need to be replaced or repaired.
Humidity raises the temperatures.
Great point!
Wont help us finns lol. -10 to -35c for months and it is common not to see sun for a month or 2.
We have long cold winters here also, there quite unpredictable anymore. This heating was built for the cold months. We need the heat for at least 4-5 months of the year. Thanks for watching, glad to see this made it around lol
He is I northern Illinois Z4-5. It use to and still can at times be well below freezing. North of him we used to get -40 frequently, but since global warming everywhere is heating up. Sunlight is not at a premium either with cloudy and short days. This weather easily can last 5-6 months for most in the northern 40 degrees latitude.
... seems like diggin into the ground would be easier.
It’s free and constant! Thanks for checking this out.
With the constant chemtrailing it certainly makes logical sense to grow your plants within a greenhouse and filter the flowing air through water tanks for the fine particulates and maintain a high humidity. Better to grow your own than to buy gmo's and already dead food that's stock rotated for 12 months or more and dosed with more pesticides, herbicides, fungicides and glyphosate you could prematurely die from, even from neighbours spraying that know no better. Black water tanks and piping to recirculate the heated water and also your utilising composting heat is great. No point supporting others to maintain their riches because when you have a superior quality food or even service they sell themselves. Cheers
Thanks. Pray to Jesus for guidance
Where are you (latitude)?
We’re in northern Illinois
I would guess around 42.
Plenty of people are in terrible shape looong before they hit 6 months before death.
I'm allergic to fiber, so all I eat is meat and honestly, raising cattle seems to be, on the syrface at least, to be way less codtly and is absolutely way less hassle, than raising plants. My ladies (cows) love cold weather.
Your hats on the wrong way round. Must be an easy mistake as lots of people do it 😢
It keeps my neck from getting too red lol pun intended
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I say give us tech know how instead speaking 🎉
I have in many videos this was a compilation of all the methods explained, feel free to check out all the videos on these subjects on our channel thanks for watching
where do you get electricity,fool?
The sun, keep it positive and we can have a discussion
The greenhouse and the solar panels have paid for themselves many times over. At 100$ for a solar kit you can create between 700w-1400w a day - that’s 21,000watts or 21 kilowatts a month on the low end with 7 hours of sunlight , paying us back in the end when we have no bills.
I have a 9'x12' pressure treated wood and corrugated polycarbonate greenhouse with dirt floor and 10' tall at peak. Our land has a big hill blocking the south and west directions, so we barely get any direct sunlight in the winter. I tried a 3'x3'x8' compost pile inside the greenhouse last year and the terra cotta heater with vegetable shortening candles. What would be the best idea for me to try. I'm in zone 6b and I'm not allowed to use electric heat after losing our home to an electrical fire. Do u have a vid about the underground thermal tubes u talked about?
I have diy geothermal videos describing everything going on with it but nothing during the build. I hand dug it out one weekend in the middle of winter, went down about 7-1/2 -8 feet under the greenhouse and it works great to bring solid temps back up, there’s probably 50 feet buried in the greenhouse. Thanks for checking this out