Satanic temple offering invocation at Ottawa County board meeting
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- Опубликовано: 22 апр 2024
- A representative from the Satanic Temple of West Michigan plans to give the invocation at the beginning of Tuesday evening’s Ottawa County Board of Commissioners meeting.
I agree with Dr. Jared Cramer. Either every religion should be afforded the same opportunities, or those opportunities should not be available to any religion, especially within govermental settings.
It's about as valid a religion as the church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. But sure, let's all ignore the obvious and take them seriously.
@@roddbroward9876They have congregations that meet regularly twice a week, have religious ceremonies and Rituals, have a set of affirmative beliefs outlined in 7 tenets, have a historical backdrop going back to Enlightenment era values, have a structured hierarchy of ministry, and they have Federal tax-exempt IRS status as a legitimate church. And all of that occurs independently of participation in public open-forums which include other religious groups. I think they have a lot more going for them than the pastafarians, as evidently, they are functioning as an actual religion outside of all the things you hear in the news.
I encourage you to do research and see these things for yourself.
You must support Ganondorf then (making a joke about their profile pic)?
@@HudsonDiTomaso lol, not at all!
The funny thing is that’s the exact same stance of the Satanic Temple. They believe that there should be no invocations in government. But while there are, ALL religions must be given equal access. That’s how freedom of religion works under the 1st amendment.
I appreciate how fair your description of the group was. Too many ignorant comments on this video already saying they are evil.
That's West Michigan for you...
@@GwishinSong we believe in Jesus Christ round here
@@spencershaw2407 ah, so that is why you are voting for your anti-christ. Good to know.
@@spencershaw2407Believing in Jesus Christ is perfectly fine. Believing people are evil without evidence isn't.
@@spencershaw2407 Not what I was referring to.
Did you even listen to the news story? Clearly not
The guy with the Eddie Munster impersonation "DO" basically said; "We're just playing make believe and none of our spiel really means anything because we have the first amendment right to do so".
Hail Cthulhu 💀
Seperation of church & state.
NO OTTAWA IMPACT.
The guy with the Eddie Munster impersonation basically said; "We're just playing make believe and none of our spiel really means anything because we have the first amendment right to do so".
Oh yes, they do!
dont forget ur horns ppl
Sail Hatan
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I totally disagree with the episcopal pastors speech, it’s of no help to Christians.
Yes, because poor Christians need help.
anything to do with satan aint it!
Vote them out?
DEMONIC INSANITY!!!
We’re not gonna make it are we?
Why should you not take it, you are not the only religion, not even the right one in the eyes of many..
maybe that's their mission. To take prayer out of public office. Next will be pledge of allegiance. Then the constitution.
Actually, what’s in the constitution IS a separation of church and state and actually what is unconstitutional is the prayer before the public meeting. Facts. 😂
Their mission is benevolence and empathy. They just want to participate where and when they are allowed to, the same as any other religious group.
@@TheBohemianGrannyThat's actually true, I agree with you
Your ignorance is astounding. They understand the constitution better than you do clearly. The Pledge of allegiance, although around since 1892, did not become official in schools until 1954 and added "Under God". The requirement for people to pledge allegiance to a piece of nylon under the name of a Christian God is ludicrous. Jehovah's Witnesses (A flavor of Christianity) consider this idolitry (which I agree with), atheists believe we should not be forced to acknowledge or pledge anything to any deity, and why should Hindu, Jew or Muslim pledge to anything using the Christian God. Are you aware that Freedom FROM Religion comes before Freedom OF Religion in the text you lot like to quote? YOUR religion belongs in YOUR church, not OUR lives.
PS - if you are thinking of going there, yes I am a veteran, and I served for the rights of all religions and non-theists to be free to do their thing, so that includes traditional Satanists or TST.
Then if they dont worship satan why do they call themselves Satanists????????
Please understand, Christianity does not have a monopoly on the character called "Satan". Satan also appears in such books as The Revolt of the Angels, by Anatole France, wherein Satan is a kind & wise giver of knowledge to mankind, a captain against arbitrary authority, and an advocate for equal rights. This is but one example.
These Satanists draw on these literary versions of Satan, and have assimilated many of the same values.
To get your attention maybe....?
The main reason is to fight for first amendment rights across the US when it comes to separation of church and state.
It helps to have an offensive name rather than the Fluffy Bunny Cult or whatever.
If you're going to have a Christian invocation in your school board meeting, the Satanic Temple wants to make sure Satanic invocations will also be held, because they think government should just not have any specific religion endorsed. And I think they're pretty spot on.
@missf4681 Also Islam, why do you think the fanatics call the US the Great Satan. It is an Abrahamic belief.
what a bankruptcy in education and family upbringing....
You are gravely mistaken
Explain to me why the god of the bible exists. Prove your own education.
@Dingolia the Abrahamic platforms evolved from a once ancient polytheism in the ancient Hebrew peoples. before the events of what we now read in niv, kingjames and so fourth.
@@Dingolia nahh,... I stand by my statement
@@Hancockjohn-pl9cmwhat evidence do you have? My argument for why the God of the Bible does not exist is as follows:
• The God of the bible has certain claimed properties: Infallible, All-knowing, omnipresent, benevolent, Almighty.
• The bible is claimed to be a collection of God's personal messages to mankind
• Since the God of the bible is supposed to be infallible, if there's anything in the bible that's factually incorrect or contradicts his claimed properties, then the bible becomes unreliable and its God cannot exist, lest he becomes fallible.
As it so happens, there's plenty of things like this in the bible. The condoning of slavery, for example, contradicts the claimed properties of benevolence. Leviticus 25: 44-46 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; *from them you may buy slaves* . You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."
An all-knowing God would have to know exactly the kind of empty, painful lives slaves are forced to live through, and yet, in the bible, he condones it! So either the God of the bible is not in fact benevolent (or infallible), or the God depicted in the bible does not exist as claimed. (Keep in mind, the condoning of slavery is just one example).
Santeria Goat Sacrifice Ritual next month! Bring the kiddies!!
You are just SOOOOOOO funny. Scared perhaps?
Well, of course they're not going to come right out and say "We're evil!" Only a fool would buy what they're selling.
I think it would be even more foolish to assume they're evil without having demonstrable evidence.
@@Dingolia You mean like for them to be Satanists? It's right there in the name.
@@JoMiMo555 That's exactly what I'm talking about. You assume that based on your own theistic beliefs rather than on research or demonstrable evidence. These satanists do not believe in nor worship Satan, and they should be judged for their actions, not on appearances or other superficialities.
@@Dingolia And what demonstrable evidence do you have to be so concrete on your position? The fact that they are talking out of both sides of their mouths? Maybe you're right. But if I went around calling myself a liar, I have no right to get upset when people refuse to trust me.
@@JoMiMo555 My position is "Don't assume that they're evil without evidence". This is not a truth claim in itself, and so requires no evidence.
However, you mention that they're evil on account of the name "Satanist", which would only be true if Satan existed, if The god of the bible existed, if that God wasn't evil, and if Satan *was* evil.
And thankfully, there's enough evidence to indicate that the God of the bible couldn't possibly exist, since the bible itself is flawed (and Id be happy to elaborate on that upon request).
Therefore, it would be unwise to assume these people are necessarily evil just because they call themselves Satanists.
The guy with the Eddie Munster impersonation basically said; "We're just playing make believe and none of our spiel really means anything because we have the first amendment right to do so".