If we are talking about Greatest Player of All Time (GOAT) it is without a doubt Miracle... Why? No one can match the solo highlights he made in the pro scene... that Invo's tornado-sunstrike combo is just a tip of the ice berg... remember the SF juke vs Alliance? how about the triple-kill Jug vs Newbee? his quad-rampage Morph vs Secret... triple-rampage Arc vs Alliance... his perfect Arc's magnetic field literal Defense Of The Ancient vs Alliance... the 1 sec rosh @ 49-minute vs VG... and the best of all is his 1v5 auto GG with his OD against Forward Gaming! (yawar, ccnc, pieliedie, sneyking, and mss)
that's what you get if you watch too much holyhexor. Does jukes and solo killed has already been dethroned by times as new bloods rises. But the od solo rampage was the best !
Your low iq lol the bubble throne defense was a very basic and simple play just delete dota if you think that’s a good play lmao. And you also thinking highlights is more important than the actual gameplay is pathetic don’t talk aborh dota your clueless Yatoro collapse miposhka topson fy ame sumail all better
when Miracle playing. Dota is Prime time. So many famous Pos1/2 he faced and won. Midone / No one / BurNIng / mushi / paparazzi / sumail . etc. And He did --not even individual skill , He did 5vs1 rampage on CCNC team. And 1 hit roshan. blind Sun Strike predict on end of jugg bladefury with invi. Yatoro just lifted by Team
he was a nobody before OG? he was known as toxic like EE during fnatic era but yeah let's all forget about that. "All Time" more like 2016-2019 onwards is what you and most people think about. I bet you don't even know he existed in dota 2 since 2012 and even if you did you just don't want to put that into account. Puppey was relevant for EVERY SINGLE YEAR
Raw mechanical skill wise it is Miracle cuz its been years and no one has done what he did during his best years , achievement wise probably Notail or Ceb
@@eroshan i can understand the notail and ceb argument. But I just cant comprehend how puppey was still dominant since late dota 1 days to the last 2 years. Even though secret is now a tier 2 team, it is still good because dota has became too complex and high skill that maybe a tier 3 team now can compete against tier 1 teams back in 2010 to 2013 (ik it's a bold claim, but the highest mmr in those days was probably 5-6k)
Pure raw skill is definitely Miracle, Yaotoro and Nisha is up there too ive seen all these guys play at their prime, Miralce is slightly better imo and so much fun too watch idk he does plays that blows your mind.. Yes im bias and miracle fan
Puppey. Hands down. Succesful in both dota 1 and dota 2. If dota 2 only that would be miracle. Majors and TI. The first MMR king. The only one who played true to his mmr in competitive games. And basically he was the guy who made everyone care about mmr💯
@@KidTriggerit’s not only about the skill wise it’s about achievement & consistency puppy is the goat even miboska said it puppy is the goat it’s opinion
@@KidTrigger who was collapse miposkha topson ame fy sumail back in TI1 ? Puppey keep his consistency for the whole dota2 career and you only know Yatoro? Just shut up kid
@@KidTrigger stfp your just a 15yr old kid who never even watch TI 1 to TI 5! You were still playing mobile game at that time.. So stop acting as if you somehow understand dota more than pro players.. Even your name is 'kid'.. Grow up first then talk about dota ya fool!
the one with the most rampages in match making and in pro scenes -Miracle the most versatile player of dota ever. for newbies, kindly check his offlane gameplay and his 4/5th also his micro meepo gameplay. Funfact: Miracle was greatest mid player ever but he made more records on carry role. this dude Run this game for valve for about 5 years.
Achievement Wise he's up there. It's always the curse. 2021 - Champ 2022 - 9th to 12th 2023 - Champ 2024 - 9th to 12th. Well 2025 is no more since roster changes.
Era vs Era --> A lot of modern 12-13k+ mmr players nowadays have learned from the prime Miracle, Puppey, Dendi, Notail, Ceb, etc. They refined and improved the lessons they learned from these GOATs. So the word "GOAT" should have criterias of longevity, achievements and skills.
Puppy is the Goat the achievements & consistency & skill wise he was & still one of the best & he accomplished a lot of trophies with a lot of players, Ceb & notail other than Og Ti8&9 they didn’t achieve anything big also sumail & miracle, yutoro & collapse time will tell, no one is close to puppy it’s not about only Ti, go check how Many trophies he has & top Ti
My argument Miracle - we all know who he is, arguably the best peak in history Notail - not only a 2x ti champ, he is also the HoN goat after he leaves HoN, he played carry, support, pos4 and mid(in hon) in the pro scene Puppey - longevity goat since dota1 Ceb -the only successful player both as a coach and player Sumail - youngest TI champ ever one of the best mid ever
I'd go for Notail, Ceb and Puppey. Miracle is meh in terms of achievements, compatibility playing with other players and way too focused on the role as carry and flashiness. A GOAT should be more than just skills.
I think Ana is the overall best player ever (micro, macro, team play, in game decision making). Ceb best macro player. Sumail best micro player ever. Puppey best captain.
Yatoro stand in for VP or old VP members and they did nothing. Put Puppey to any team they will still perform, Puppey is the team. No wonder even Miposhka considers Puppey as the 🐐 too.
GOAT takes different forms for different people. But largely seems to boil down to these 3 kinds of categories: Achievements and titles IMO would be the OG and Spirit guys - all of them Purely from absolute best skill I've ever seen - Prime Miracle and Yatoro Career longevity - Puppey
gotta be ceb in my opinion. there are many skilled players, but ceb somehow increase the win probability of the team more than anyone else. talk about great players, Abed could have had more achievement without bulba XD
lol you still around? these you mentioned are the players with great skills. not denying it. but ceb? he is not supposed to be that good skill wise, but he lead his team to win after win somehow. i mean if not for ceb and notail, topson and ana probably would not perform at their level at that time@@KidTrigger
there is no such thing as Greatest player Of all Time dota is team fight game. The real and only basis is the achievement of the team but it does it mean the Mira is stronger to somnus or to Quinn. how can you compare JERAX with multiple championship to AME with no TI champion it is hard . To say who is the greatest player of all time we should create another tournament TI-lIKE tournament a 1 v 1 tournament
You are getting payed to say yatoro, im surprised how none of this “pro” players did not mentioned Miracle. Like he got over 10 BIG plays in his pocket against one of the best players, never understimated anyone but in the same time toying with anyone against him. True warrior, making big moves in dota scene before it was COOL.
Also rediciolous how we get this opinions from Herald and Guardian casters who dont even know what they are talking about the game becouse they just get payed
Omnislash TI, Arc Warden def base against Nikobaby, Arc Warden 1 shot Roshan, Arc Warden comeback from 40k lead, SF manta blink dodge warlocks ulty and the best of the best OD 1v5 pro players
i never see such skill lvl of GOAT move like prime miracle... miracle not make the dota world silence 1st... the archwarden defence, the invoker kill jugg invis, the OD 1 vs 5... the INVOKER during OG miracle... u can never see this GOAT move at this dota moment in 2024 now days... Miracle also JUCK DODGE the USING SF during vs ALLIENCE... like bro.. be honest... no one buy your hearts.. honest is so expensive..
when did he "carry" a game? if miracle didn't do the heavy lifting with cr1t and fly being a godlike support duo at the time your low networth carry called notail wouldn't make it far. If we remove those two factors, he only had two honest good years, if u really want to count the majors then 4. 1/3 of dota's time spent relevant and he is apparently "The Greatest of All Time". Puppey is literally the only person that deserves that title.
Notail was horrible carry and mid your basically saying he’s good cuz he’s lucky to have good temamtes which is low iq and notial also didn’t deserve to win ti8 he played horrible so your low iq don’t talk
Prime Miracle was built diff
Not the best
@@KidTriggerhe was the best in his prime. Accomplishments? Longevity? No but he was the best for a long time.
he renew dota back at 2016
Miracle showed his skills in two different roles, probably the first hybrid and the only one that deserves goat status.
n0tail aswell, didnt win any of his ti's as carry but a lot of majors
bro forgot if Miracle was hybrid someone else on his team should be hybrid too, so I think you forgot someone with name also starting with M
Nisha played 2 roles too
@@rinnegat6160but matum not a typical midlaner like playing mid heroes, invo, puck, tinker
not even a single players has ever came close to Miracle. Miracle was mid God but made more carry records than current yataro.
If we are talking about Greatest Player of All Time (GOAT) it is without a doubt Miracle... Why? No one can match the solo highlights he made in the pro scene... that Invo's tornado-sunstrike combo is just a tip of the ice berg... remember the SF juke vs Alliance? how about the triple-kill Jug vs Newbee? his quad-rampage Morph vs Secret... triple-rampage Arc vs Alliance... his perfect Arc's magnetic field literal Defense Of The Ancient vs Alliance... the 1 sec rosh @ 49-minute vs VG... and the best of all is his 1v5 auto GG with his OD against Forward Gaming! (yawar, ccnc, pieliedie, sneyking, and mss)
that's what you get if you watch too much holyhexor.
Does jukes and solo killed has already been dethroned by times as new bloods rises. But the od solo rampage was the best !
Yada yada. No one gives af about single player game. Yes he brings advanced technical aspect of the game, but this is dota.
Your low iq lol the bubble throne defense was a very basic and simple play just delete dota if you think that’s a good play lmao. And you also thinking highlights is more important than the actual gameplay is pathetic don’t talk aborh dota your clueless Yatoro collapse miposhka topson fy ame sumail all better
@@ravennsiregar If you want to start a war, go comment one to declare war. Not by stay there and reply someone's comment to hurt others feeling.
Fr, if talk about skills, definitely Miracle. His highlights from the past till now, just damn I can't count it 🤣
Sumail has best take, he is best 2, Yatoro best 1, Miracle- best of all time (skill-wise), but in terms of longevity and consistency it is Puppey
Fr, but I'm still gonna go for Miracle. Cuz if we are gonna talking about skills, Miracle is the best option. not talking about winning ofc. 😅
Okay that's a good take.
when Miracle playing. Dota is Prime time. So many famous Pos1/2 he faced and won.
Midone / No one / BurNIng / mushi / paparazzi / sumail . etc.
And He did --not even individual skill , He did 5vs1 rampage on CCNC team.
And 1 hit roshan.
blind Sun Strike predict on end of jugg bladefury with invi.
Yatoro just lifted by Team
agree
Definitely Puppet. Like is there any competition there? He has been the longest in pro scene with consistently good performance
Notail did more in less time in two different roles.
he was a nobody before OG? he was known as toxic like EE during fnatic era but yeah let's all forget about that. "All Time" more like 2016-2019 onwards is what you and most people think about. I bet you don't even know he existed in dota 2 since 2012 and even if you did you just don't want to put that into account. Puppey was relevant for EVERY SINGLE YEAR
Who the fuck is Puppet?
I think Yatoro collapse miposhka topson ame fy sumail all better than puppey
@@belle4193notial is not even best pos 5 bro lol 1. Miposhka 2. Puppey 3. Kuro 4. Notail
Raw mechanical skill wise it is Miracle cuz its been years and no one has done what he did during his best years , achievement wise probably Notail or Ceb
Gorgc is the GOAT, like literal GOAT because he smells like one...best comment from some dude not long time ago on the same topic
Bruh 😂
lmao
Laning - Sumail or RTZ
Dominance and Mechanically - Miracle
Playmaking - fy or Topson
Captain - Puppey
id say captain - notail/CEB. puppey is close but notail had more success. Agree with rest of it.
best game closer - Ana (sucks at laning though)
@@eroshan i can understand the notail and ceb argument. But I just cant comprehend how puppey was still dominant since late dota 1 days to the last 2 years. Even though secret is now a tier 2 team, it is still good because dota has became too complex and high skill that maybe a tier 3 team now can compete against tier 1 teams back in 2010 to 2013 (ik it's a bold claim, but the highest mmr in those days was probably 5-6k)
Pure raw skill is definitely Miracle, Yaotoro and Nisha is up there too ive seen all these guys play at their prime, Miralce is slightly better imo and so much fun too watch idk he does plays that blows your mind.. Yes im bias and miracle fan
id say Nisha on puck is close to miracle invo.
Yatoro still 20 years old btw, with 2 internationals and 1 riyadh, so yes, best player to play the game
Miracle no doubt. When you rhink great play its miracle highlight all over the internet.
Puppey. Hands down. Succesful in both dota 1 and dota 2.
If dota 2 only that would be miracle. Majors and TI. The first MMR king. The only one who played true to his mmr in competitive games. And basically he was the guy who made everyone care about mmr💯
Nah Yatoro miposhka collapse topson ame fy sumail all better than miracle
@@KidTriggerit’s not only about the skill wise it’s about achievement & consistency puppy is the goat even miboska said it puppy is the goat it’s opinion
@@Miracle_971 delsuional both you and miposhka are wrong.
Puppey may just be the best pro dota2 player ever.
No Yatoro collapse miposhka topson ame fy sumail better
@@KidTrigger who was collapse miposkha topson ame fy sumail back in TI1 ? Puppey keep his consistency for the whole dota2 career and you only know Yatoro? Just shut up kid
Ceb, Puppey, Miracle- and Yatoro
These 4 are up there
imo its. Puppey, Ceb, N0tail, Yatoro, Miracle are the few you can put it on the GOAT conversation
So glad someone mentioned burningggg
It’s a horrible mention brining isn’t that good to be considered goat wtf
@@KidTrigger stfp your just a 15yr old kid who never even watch TI 1 to TI 5!
You were still playing mobile game at that time..
So stop acting as if you somehow understand dota more than pro players..
Even your name is 'kid'..
Grow up first then talk about dota ya fool!
Puppy is old but Notail also have massive longevity... y'all remember Fanatic Notail...thats old asf
Miracle ❤❤❤
😍😍😏
the one with the most rampages in match making and in pro scenes -Miracle
the most versatile player of dota ever.
for newbies, kindly check his offlane gameplay and his 4/5th also his micro meepo gameplay.
Funfact: Miracle was greatest mid player ever but he made more records on carry role.
this dude Run this game for valve for about 5 years.
Yatoro is the current 50/50 of dota
Either he wins it big or loses so damn early
Achievement Wise he's up there. It's always the curse.
2021 - Champ
2022 - 9th to 12th
2023 - Champ
2024 - 9th to 12th.
Well 2025 is no more since roster changes.
in terms of G.O.A.T it should be puppey...he playing in pro scene since dota allstar(dota 1) until now
Era vs Era --> A lot of modern 12-13k+ mmr players nowadays have learned from the prime Miracle, Puppey, Dendi, Notail, Ceb, etc. They refined and improved the lessons they learned from these GOATs. So the word "GOAT" should have criterias of longevity, achievements and skills.
Prime Miracle just too good
Puppey of course!
Nope Yatoro collapse miposhka sumail fy ame all better
When we talk about Dota, may it be the WC3 mod or Dota 2, none comes close to Puppey.
Nope Yatoro miposhka collapse sumail topson ame fy all better
Yaphetes, burning were better they didnt have a dota 2 carrier like puppey
Your goat goat’s is puppey :-)
you should rather ask "who is the Strongest dota player of all time?!"
Puppy is the Goat the achievements & consistency & skill wise he was & still one of the best & he accomplished a lot of trophies with a lot of players, Ceb & notail other than Og Ti8&9 they didn’t achieve anything big also sumail & miracle, yutoro & collapse time will tell, no one is close to puppy it’s not about only Ti, go check how Many trophies he has & top Ti
4 time major champions, ya they did t achieve anything
MIRACLE.... Arguments is over
Puppey ofc, the mastermind
My argument
Miracle - we all know who he is, arguably the best peak in history
Notail - not only a 2x ti champ, he is also the HoN goat after he leaves HoN, he played carry, support, pos4 and mid(in hon) in the pro scene
Puppey - longevity goat since dota1
Ceb -the only successful player both as a coach and player
Sumail - youngest TI champ ever one of the best mid ever
I'd go for Notail, Ceb and Puppey. Miracle is meh in terms of achievements, compatibility playing with other players and way too focused on the role as carry and flashiness. A GOAT should be more than just skills.
Notail hands down,...
Won Majors
Won TIs
Won as a Support
Won as a Carry
Won as a Coach
Won as a Captain
Prime Miracle Goat
Special place in my heart is Dendi
Prime Yatoro is god at the moment
Fy and RTZ deserve a ti.
No one beats miracle-.
For me its Puppey, Ceb, and Notail is the GOAT
All of them are probably og fans
DK.Burning!!!!
Miracle_ probabley is the Leo Mesi of dota 2
I think Ana is the overall best player ever (micro, macro, team play, in game decision making). Ceb best macro player. Sumail best micro player ever. Puppey best captain.
Insania
Yatoro ❤🔥
Miracle-
Yatoro stand in for VP or old VP members and they did nothing. Put Puppey to any team they will still perform, Puppey is the team. No wonder even Miposhka considers Puppey as the 🐐 too.
GOAT takes different forms for different people. But largely seems to boil down to these 3 kinds of categories:
Achievements and titles IMO would be the OG and Spirit guys - all of them
Purely from absolute best skill I've ever seen - Prime Miracle and Yatoro
Career longevity - Puppey
Torontotokyo/Larl shouldn't be on the achievements category as they did not win 2 TIs
Puppey is dota2 himself .. notail got carried by ceb tbh.
Notail is top 3 supports most tournaments he played the only time he got carried was ti8
gotta be ceb in my opinion. there are many skilled players, but ceb somehow increase the win probability of the team more than anyone else.
talk about great players, Abed could have had more achievement without bulba XD
Nope Yatoro collapse miposhka sumail fy ame all better
whos abed?
lol you still around? these you mentioned are the players with great skills. not denying it. but ceb? he is not supposed to be that good skill wise, but he lead his team to win after win somehow. i mean if not for ceb and notail, topson and ana probably would not perform at their level at that time@@KidTrigger
@@urbangreensmy4947 ah yes notail and topson feeding like bots ti8 ceb made them perform good lmao
yup i knew you, i know there is no point to talk sense to you. XD@@KidTrigger
But but ana have two ti 😂
there is no such thing as Greatest player Of all Time dota is team fight game. The real and only basis is the achievement of the team but it does it mean the Mira is stronger to somnus or to Quinn. how can you compare JERAX with multiple championship to AME with no TI champion it is hard . To say who is the greatest player of all time we should create another tournament TI-lIKE tournament a 1 v 1 tournament
Ana just won back to back keeps being lowkey and just leaves hahaha
Dendi
Ana is
You are getting payed to say yatoro, im surprised how none of this “pro” players did not mentioned Miracle. Like he got over 10 BIG plays in his pocket against one of the best players, never understimated anyone but in the same time toying with anyone against him. True warrior, making big moves in dota scene before it was COOL.
Also rediciolous how we get this opinions from Herald and Guardian casters who dont even know what they are talking about the game becouse they just get payed
Omnislash TI, Arc Warden def base against Nikobaby, Arc Warden 1 shot Roshan, Arc Warden comeback from 40k lead, SF manta blink dodge warlocks ulty and the best of the best OD 1v5 pro players
Imagine mentioning Puppey as goat, meanwhile flaming topson on live stream and getting shamed next 2 years
i never see such skill lvl of GOAT move like prime miracle... miracle not make the dota world silence 1st... the archwarden defence, the invoker kill jugg invis, the OD 1 vs 5... the INVOKER during OG miracle... u can never see this GOAT move at this dota moment in 2024 now days... Miracle also JUCK DODGE the USING SF during vs ALLIENCE... like bro.. be honest... no one buy your hearts.. honest is so expensive..
Notail
Won majors as a carry and as a mid
Won 2 TIs as a support
Won 1 Major as a coach
when did he "carry" a game? if miracle didn't do the heavy lifting with cr1t and fly being a godlike support duo at the time your low networth carry called notail wouldn't make it far. If we remove those two factors, he only had two honest good years, if u really want to count the majors then 4. 1/3 of dota's time spent relevant and he is apparently "The Greatest of All Time". Puppey is literally the only person that deserves that title.
Notail was horrible carry and mid your basically saying he’s good cuz he’s lucky to have good temamtes which is low iq and notial also didn’t deserve to win ti8 he played horrible so your low iq don’t talk
notail trashlol
Miracle ❤❤❤