Thank you Dr Carveth. This is the clearest talk on countertransference - and projective identification - that I have listened to. New concepts noted: Objective CT Subjective CT Communicative PI Evacuative PI The examples given were useful. Thank you!
Extremely Insightful video Prof. Carveth. Your interpretation of projective identification of patients on induced countertransference of the Analyst is amazing👍🙏
I appreciate your distinction here between Bion and Klein because this conflation has been problematic for me. If you don't mind, can I recommend a great paper on projective identification through Bion and Klein? I've found it very useful to clarify its use according to each. The paper is Linda Buckingham's "A thread in the labyrinth: returning to Melanie Klein's concept of Projective Identification" (2012) British Journal of Psychotherapy 28(1):3-20.
Is there an inverse of this? Or a reverse projective identification from the therapist induced or evoked into the client? Informative video. Subscribed.
Hello, Don Carveth. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. Your videos are being a great help to me. I have some difficulty distinguishing countertransference and enactment. I understand that the term enactment differentiates whether the transfer is from the analyst or the analyzed while the term countertransference makes it clear that the transfer is from the analyzed and placed on the analyst. This is so? Thanks very much again.
The term counter transference is misleading. Today it means feelings that the analyst has toward the patient, both feelings coming from the analysts personality and feelings induced in the analyst by the patient. The point is that the analyst must experience and contain such feelings and not act them out. Enactment is the acting out of such feelings. Some such an accident is probably inevitable but it should be kept to an absolute minimum. The point is to understand the counter transference not an acted.
@@doncarveth Thank you very much. Your explanation is very helpful for me to understand the term. I love your videos. They make me easily understand very complex concepts. Even being Spanish sometime, it is easier for me to understand your explanations in English than thousands of explanations in my own language.
Dr. Carveth, I just wrote a book chapter that deals with the Freudian theme of "making the passive active" and I recalled that in one of your videos you mentioned that Rene Spitz filmed a child who tried to feed her mother, to "give back," as you said. I cannot find a reference to this anywhere in the literature on Spitz and the dyad but I may be using the wrong search terms. Did you just see this in the film he made (I have not seen it yet) or did you find reference to it in writing? Thanks!
I recall Eli Sagan referring to this in his 1988 book “Freud, women and morality: the psychology of good and evil.” Not sure whether he referenced text or video
Thank you Professor. I first watched your videos on the bilibili website and i watched all of them. They brings me many many inspirations and now i am slowing going through more of your videos. Learning more about Psychoanalysis is a spiritual journey for me. My backgrounds is a business school student in Germany. And i have one more question to this video. You mentioned that "narcissistic men marry depressed woman." Here, do you mean "depressed" as a position from Klein or "depression"? Thank you for your sharing and videos.
Hi Professor, I just wanted to clarify please that when you refer to type 1 PI you meant Klein’s usage, and type 2 was referring to Bion’s usage? Thank you kindly.
The interpersonal p.i. does seem mystical to a layperson who is subjected to it regularly. The feeling is like suddenly having overwhelming emotions and ideas that come out of nowhere and are largely unfamiliar. It can also be difficult to accept that the whole process is unconscious on the part of the projector because it feels malicious and sneaky; but of course it is unconscious. Thank you very much for the clarifications.
@@doncarveth I had been trying to draw a picture of the p.i. process, but I kept leaving out the action step; the acting out to elicit the disavowed in the object/ other. But I also think there's a tacit requirement for *acceptance* of introjects by said target object. Your talks make me think too much and this is some defense or other but glad you are out there in the world to guide people.
Thank you Dr Carveth. This is the clearest talk on countertransference - and projective identification - that I have listened to. New concepts noted:
Objective CT
Subjective CT
Communicative PI
Evacuative PI
The examples given were useful.
Thank you!
As a training child psychotherapist, your explanations are really helpful for clarifying these fundamental psychoanalytic concepts. Thank you!
This is an extraordinarily helpful clarification of some of the contradictions which exist in various descriptions of this phenomena.
Thank you
Extremely Insightful video Prof. Carveth. Your interpretation of projective identification of patients on induced countertransference of the Analyst is amazing👍🙏
Thank you.
Dr. Carveth, thank you for your videos! They are so exciting and well structured...so satisfying.
Thank you. This video has given me a much deeper understanding of countertransference with the linkage of PI playing its part.
Excellent!
Really helpful, thank you so much, especially for that differentiation between Klein and Bion's ideas re Projective Identification.
I have argued these points here and there, and it is good to know others agree. I’ve read Buckingham and entirely agree with her. Thank you.
Wonderfully clear video - thanks!
I appreciate your distinction here between Bion and Klein because this conflation has been problematic for me. If you don't mind, can I recommend a great paper on projective identification through Bion and Klein? I've found it very useful to clarify its use according to each. The paper is Linda Buckingham's "A thread in the labyrinth: returning to Melanie Klein's concept of Projective Identification" (2012) British Journal of Psychotherapy 28(1):3-20.
Thank you, I will try to obtain it in a form that my app will be able to read aloud.
Tank you for your lectures.
Is there an inverse of this? Or a reverse projective identification from the therapist induced or evoked into the client?
Informative video. Subscribed.
Yes, but that therapist needs therapy personally
Hello, Don Carveth. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. Your videos are being a great help to me. I have some difficulty distinguishing countertransference and enactment. I understand that the term enactment differentiates whether the transfer is from the analyst or the analyzed while the term countertransference makes it clear that the transfer is from the analyzed and placed on the analyst. This is so? Thanks very much again.
The term counter transference is misleading. Today it means feelings that the analyst has toward the patient, both feelings coming from the analysts personality and feelings induced in the analyst by the patient. The point is that the analyst must experience and contain such feelings and not act them out. Enactment is the acting out of such feelings. Some such an accident is probably inevitable but it should be kept to an absolute minimum. The point is to understand the counter transference not an acted.
@@doncarveth Thank you very much. Your explanation is very helpful for me to understand the term. I love your videos. They make me easily understand very complex concepts. Even being Spanish sometime, it is easier for me to understand your explanations in English than thousands of explanations in my own language.
@@RebecaCarrasco Thank you very much
Dr. Carveth, I just wrote a book chapter that deals with the Freudian theme of "making the passive active" and I recalled that in one of your videos you mentioned that Rene Spitz filmed a child who tried to feed her mother, to "give back," as you said. I cannot find a reference to this anywhere in the literature on Spitz and the dyad but I may be using the wrong search terms. Did you just see this in the film he made (I have not seen it yet) or did you find reference to it in writing? Thanks!
I recall Eli Sagan referring to this in his 1988 book “Freud, women and morality: the psychology of good and evil.” Not sure whether he referenced text or video
@@doncarveth thank you, I have never read Sagan so here's my excuse sir!
Amazing material. Thank you again.
Thank you Professor. I first watched your videos on the bilibili website and i watched all of them. They brings me many many inspirations and now i am slowing going through more of your videos. Learning more about Psychoanalysis is a spiritual journey for me. My backgrounds is a business school student in Germany. And i have one more question to this video. You mentioned that "narcissistic men marry depressed woman." Here, do you mean "depressed" as a position from Klein or "depression"? Thank you for your sharing and videos.
Julia, I meant depression in the clinical sense, but in a wider sense as having a problem with self-esteem, being down, having the blues.
Hi Professor, I just wanted to clarify please that when you refer to type 1 PI you meant Klein’s usage, and type 2 was referring to Bion’s usage? Thank you kindly.
Correct
@@doncarveth thank you again. Your videos are wonderfully helpful for making sense of such a complex subject.
The interpersonal p.i. does seem mystical to a layperson who is subjected to it regularly. The feeling is like suddenly having overwhelming emotions and ideas that come out of nowhere and are largely unfamiliar. It can also be difficult to accept that the whole process is unconscious on the part of the projector because it feels malicious and sneaky; but of course it is unconscious. Thank you very much for the clarifications.
Most welcome
@@doncarveth I had been trying to draw a picture of the p.i. process, but I kept leaving out the action step; the acting out to elicit the disavowed in the object/ other. But I also think there's a tacit requirement for *acceptance* of introjects by said target object. Your talks make me think too much and this is some defense or other but glad you are out there in the world to guide people.
@@lisbethbird8268 Yes, there has to be a hook in the subject for the project door to hang the projection on.
And here I thought countertransference is what an embezzler does when they're about to get caught !!! (Sorry, I couldn't resist)
One would think that demagogues are experts at projective identification?
Well we would need to carefully define what we mean by projective identification. They are good at stimulating or evoking hate in their audience.
Thank you for this.
Thank you.
Most welcome.
Thank you sir a lot for sharing this knowledge ..(:
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