Thanks for watching! If you'd like to see more videos on related topics (on the intellectual history of memorial museums, for example, or grounded, methodological approaches to studying the political movements that foster genocidal campaigns) let us know in the comments below. [Please check the corrections pinned below!] Corrections: 5:48 there is an editorial mistake here. I should say "much MORE likely to recognize genocides in Europe and North America and much LESS likely to recognize genocides in Africa, Latin America, and Asia" -- not the opposite. No idea how that slipped through the cracks.
It is really weird. Those who commit genocide do not consider themselves to be savages. They consider their victims to be savages. This, of course, is especially true of The British Imperialists, who, conquered the African continent, as well as the Indian subcontinent!
@@OLAFisC00L ...do you mean a sibling fight between Cain and Abel? There's really no way to work this metaphore without domestic violence. Genocide has an abuser and the abused.
@@weareallbornmad410 have you ever heard of siblings killing each other for inheritance? Or kids killing parents? Siblings with same blood kill each other Now in case of Cain and Abel, same mother but different fathers, of course there'd be killing.
@@weareallbornmad410 in this context however, it's between the sons of Abraham, same father, different mother. Issac is Israeli and Ishmael is Islamic.
@@OLAFisC00L Then you're not talking about a "sibling fight" in which they "both think they're right." You're talking about fratricide. I do hope that you think fratricide is "weird."
This was great. Complex, always (for me) saddening because of how persistent genocides have been in our recent centuries when we’ve supposedly become enlightened and exceptional. All kinds of wry jokes about these ethnocentric hypocricies are about all I can ever come up with, until I were ever fortunate enough to be involved with an academic group like yours, so thanks for all your persistence, and I’ll be listening and re-listening, now that I’ve found you! Bravo!
Thanks for the very thoughtful comment, Jon. It makes my day. In my opinion, this is an enormously valuable area of reach (as important now as ever); but you're right... it can also be a very challenging (and often depressing) field to dig into. I admire some of the scholars working in the area, though. 🍻
for those hoping to grasp the processes discussed in this video at a less academic level i recommend this documentary. I watched this as an anthropology undergraduate and became familiar with the systematic processes that emerge than carry forth the events known as genocide. ruclips.net/video/PeBisBQblFM/видео.html
Thanks for posting and linking that, Emma. Normally we'd consider taking down external links. In this case, though, the BBC's "Five Steps to Tyranny" is something we highly recommend people watch. The material is as relevant today as it was when it was released back in the early 2000s.
Thanks so much, ComradeHavik. I really appreciate the kind words. I do think that we'll come back to the ideological roots of genocide towards the end of the year. It's a darker (and more dense) topic than we covered here, but I do think it's very important. Thanks for posting!
@@ArmchairAcademics I too would love you to present on the ideological roots of genocide. Thank you for one of the most informative videos I've seen in ages.
Thanks so much for posting @louisemacul642. I'm very much considering putting it on the books. It feels like a natural follow-up to this video. It's also a very rich (and weirdly under-represented) aspect of museum studies and discourses on memory and mass killings. We're on a writers retreat at the moment working on our animated history project, but do keep an eye out for a new video on memorial museums later in the year :)
Pleasanton don’t ever use the term ”Differently Abled” because that is really insulting and I have never heard of any other disabled person who does not reject the term ”Differently abled”
Hey there. Agreed -- I should have used better language here. This is a pretty dense video that touches on a lot of different communities, so I appreciate you calling it out. Perhaps 'persons with disabilities' would be better; but I'm open to suggestions from people more versed in the discourse than I am. ✌
@@ArmchairAcademics Thank you, I do appreciate that :) I am well versed in this discourse so I confidently say that the most accurate term is Disabled. Both disabled people and people with disabilities are essentially synonymous so the main difference is that the latter make it a longer sentence. I personally prefer the term Disabled & all other Disabled people I have hard talking about this thus far have agreed that saying disabled is prefered. Even though being called a person with a disability is also fine
Great presentation. Imperative to understand cultural perspectives, international passivity and land resource grabs too. Racial/ group bias justifies these horrors
Thanks for posting, Donna. Land grabs and related forced relocations are definitely a dark (and arguably understudied) aspect of the discourse. If we continue making content on related subjects, that's an issue that we can definitely explore further. Thanks for watching!
How to get this education and understanding into the forefront of our society, to see and understand it not only as it happens but prior to it. We have the big laid upon Israel and thousands are dying as I type, hospital, schools bombed, Food water electricity cut off long ago. Stravation is taking hold as aid trucks are cut/ The terror and horror seems to have no bottom
If there are collected studies of genocide, is there a ratio of victims to the society's population, For example, in nazi Germany, the number 6M is given for the mixture of deaths in death camps, mostly Jews, but there were also many Jews who emigrated. What was the ratio? I am guessing it was around 10-1. Are there analyses of this ratio? Arendt's conclusion of normalization should be connected with Foucault's similar conclusion although the bases for "normalization" are quite different between these two. Arendt posited 'loneliness' as the motivation for the totalitarian attitude and subsequent perpetration of the genocide, and the war. Foucault posits forms of discipline which could also be found in studies of psychohistory. What is the relation between war and genocide?
Thanks for posting, Fred. I'm not sure about your first question, to be honest. But there's a very advanced body of work that's been done in Holocaust Studies. There are a number of scholars that do excellent historical (and micro-historical) research on subjects related to your post, but Peter Hayes and John K. Roth come to mind as potential starting points. As for the 'Arendt/Foucault' point, I wasn't aware of the work that's been done exploring comparisons of the two thinkers. I pulled a few texts online and will certainly give them a look. Thanks very much for pointing it out! There's an interesting discourse there to be sure.
@@ArmchairAcademics The ratio in Nazi Germany around 1938 was approximately 60M to 6M after all emigrants left. It may be higher as Germany acquired parts of Czechoslovakia and Austria making the ratio nearly 80M to 6M. All Jews were eliminated from Germany. Consider the Rwandan Genocide of 1994. The ratio was approximately 85% Hutus to 14% Tutsis with a total population of 7M. That is around 6M to 1M. 75% of the Tutsis were killed. Perhaps this quantitative perspective is wrong, but the violence studies by the sociologist Randall Collins puts the main effect on the numbers.
The biggest issue with genocide and ethnic cleansing studies is how west centric. For one they fail to consider the diversity of groups in a region, turn them into a monolith. There's this idea that Japan or Sudan doesn't have ethnic groups, that turks, Iranis and arabs don't have ethnic groups. It is only a click away but sadly, no one looks. I hear 'how is it a genocide if they're both sudanese/syrians/etc' .. ethnic groups, that's how.
That's not a problem with genocide studies (which is an academic discipline). Of course specialists in the field are perfectly aware that there are ethnic groups in Iran. What you're talking about is lack of understanding among non-specialists on Twitter.
@@weareallbornmad410 All war is genocidal....no such thing as "war crime" as being separate from war simpliciter. Moreover, no such thing as 'just war'.
@@weareallbornmad410 All types of coalitionary conflict solutions to manufactured 'problems', resulting in profits for the military and banking complexes.
Thanks for watching! If you'd like to see more videos on related topics (on the intellectual history of memorial museums, for example, or grounded, methodological approaches to studying the political movements that foster genocidal campaigns) let us know in the comments below. [Please check the corrections pinned below!]
Corrections: 5:48 there is an editorial mistake here. I should say "much MORE likely to recognize genocides in Europe and North America and much LESS likely to recognize genocides in Africa, Latin America, and Asia" -- not the opposite. No idea how that slipped through the cracks.
I just happen to know a certain country which is doing just that right now
It is really weird. Those who commit genocide do not consider themselves to be savages. They consider their victims to be savages. This, of course, is especially true of The British Imperialists, who, conquered the African continent, as well as the Indian subcontinent!
It's not weird.
It's like in a siblings fight.
They both think they are right.
@@OLAFisC00L ...do you mean a sibling fight between Cain and Abel?
There's really no way to work this metaphore without domestic violence. Genocide has an abuser and the abused.
@@weareallbornmad410 have you ever heard of siblings killing each other for inheritance? Or kids killing parents?
Siblings with same blood kill each other
Now in case of Cain and Abel, same mother but different fathers, of course there'd be killing.
@@weareallbornmad410 in this context however, it's between the sons of Abraham, same father, different mother.
Issac is Israeli and Ishmael is Islamic.
@@OLAFisC00L Then you're not talking about a "sibling fight" in which they "both think they're right." You're talking about fratricide. I do hope that you think fratricide is "weird."
Thank you so much for such a great work on this hard topic!
Thank you so much, Mary! That makes my day.
This was great. Complex, always (for me) saddening because of how persistent genocides have been in our recent centuries when we’ve supposedly become enlightened and exceptional.
All kinds of wry jokes about these ethnocentric hypocricies are about all I can ever come up with, until I were ever fortunate enough to be involved with an academic group like yours, so thanks for all your persistence, and I’ll be listening and re-listening, now that I’ve found you!
Bravo!
Thanks for the very thoughtful comment, Jon. It makes my day. In my opinion, this is an enormously valuable area of reach (as important now as ever); but you're right... it can also be a very challenging (and often depressing) field to dig into. I admire some of the scholars working in the area, though. 🍻
for those hoping to grasp the processes discussed in this video at a less academic level i recommend this documentary. I watched this as an anthropology undergraduate and became familiar with the systematic processes that emerge than carry forth the events known as genocide.
ruclips.net/video/PeBisBQblFM/видео.html
Thanks for posting and linking that, Emma. Normally we'd consider taking down external links. In this case, though, the BBC's "Five Steps to Tyranny" is something we highly recommend people watch. The material is as relevant today as it was when it was released back in the early 2000s.
Great video, very informative. Would love to hear more about how anthropologists have understood those ideologies that have supported mass violence!
Thanks so much, ComradeHavik. I really appreciate the kind words. I do think that we'll come back to the ideological roots of genocide towards the end of the year. It's a darker (and more dense) topic than we covered here, but I do think it's very important. Thanks for posting!
@@ArmchairAcademics I too would love you to present on the ideological roots of genocide. Thank you for one of the most informative videos I've seen in ages.
Please create a video on the role of museums & memorial museums of genocide
Thanks so much for posting @louisemacul642. I'm very much considering putting it on the books. It feels like a natural follow-up to this video. It's also a very rich (and weirdly under-represented) aspect of museum studies and discourses on memory and mass killings. We're on a writers retreat at the moment working on our animated history project, but do keep an eye out for a new video on memorial museums later in the year :)
Pleasanton don’t ever use the term ”Differently Abled” because that is really insulting and I have never heard of any other disabled person who does not reject the term ”Differently abled”
Hey there. Agreed -- I should have used better language here. This is a pretty dense video that touches on a lot of different communities, so I appreciate you calling it out. Perhaps 'persons with disabilities' would be better; but I'm open to suggestions from people more versed in the discourse than I am. ✌
@@ArmchairAcademics Thank you, I do appreciate that :) I am well versed in this discourse so I confidently say that the most accurate term is Disabled. Both disabled people and people with disabilities are essentially synonymous so the main difference is that the latter make it a longer sentence. I personally prefer the term Disabled & all other Disabled people I have hard talking about this thus far have agreed that saying disabled is prefered. Even though being called a person with a disability is also fine
Great presentation. Imperative to understand cultural perspectives, international passivity and land resource grabs too. Racial/ group bias justifies these horrors
Thanks for posting, Donna. Land grabs and related forced relocations are definitely a dark (and arguably understudied) aspect of the discourse. If we continue making content on related subjects, that's an issue that we can definitely explore further. Thanks for watching!
Excellent! Thank you...
genocide is due to organized religions as well.
Elephant in the room.
As well as committed against followers of a religion. Yes, religions exist. What's your point?
@@weareallbornmad410 My point is genocide is due to organized religions as well.
Hi, this is a great presentation,
Glad you think so!
Don't forget Greek and Armenian jeeney side. In the former Ottomon empire
I would be interested in what you thought of the Irish Potato Famine/Genocide.
How to get this education and understanding into the forefront of our society, to see and understand it not only as it happens but prior to it. We have the big laid upon Israel and thousands are dying as I type, hospital, schools bombed, Food water electricity cut off long ago. Stravation is taking hold as aid trucks are cut/ The terror and horror seems to have no bottom
If there are collected studies of genocide, is there a ratio of victims to the society's population, For example, in nazi Germany, the number 6M is given for the mixture of deaths in death camps, mostly Jews, but there were also many Jews who emigrated. What was the ratio? I am guessing it was around 10-1. Are there analyses of this ratio?
Arendt's conclusion of normalization should be connected with Foucault's similar conclusion although the bases for "normalization" are quite different between these two. Arendt posited 'loneliness' as the motivation for the totalitarian attitude and subsequent perpetration of the genocide, and the war. Foucault posits forms of discipline which could also be found in studies of psychohistory.
What is the relation between war and genocide?
Another angle to examine is Albert Camus’ analysis.
Thanks for posting, Fred. I'm not sure about your first question, to be honest. But there's a very advanced body of work that's been done in Holocaust Studies. There are a number of scholars that do excellent historical (and micro-historical) research on subjects related to your post, but Peter Hayes and John K. Roth come to mind as potential starting points.
As for the 'Arendt/Foucault' point, I wasn't aware of the work that's been done exploring comparisons of the two thinkers. I pulled a few texts online and will certainly give them a look. Thanks very much for pointing it out! There's an interesting discourse there to be sure.
@@ArmchairAcademics The ratio in Nazi Germany around 1938 was approximately 60M to 6M after all emigrants left. It may be higher as Germany acquired parts of Czechoslovakia and Austria making the ratio nearly 80M to 6M. All Jews were eliminated from Germany.
Consider the Rwandan Genocide of 1994. The ratio was approximately 85% Hutus to 14% Tutsis with a total population of 7M. That is around 6M to 1M. 75% of the Tutsis were killed.
Perhaps this quantitative perspective is wrong, but the violence studies by the sociologist Randall Collins puts the main effect on the numbers.
You may want to remember that most victims of the Holocaust were not from Germany. And Jews were the largest group, but by no means the only one.
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The biggest issue with genocide and ethnic cleansing studies is how west centric. For one they fail to consider the diversity of groups in a region, turn them into a monolith. There's this idea that Japan or Sudan doesn't have ethnic groups, that turks, Iranis and arabs don't have ethnic groups. It is only a click away but sadly, no one looks. I hear 'how is it a genocide if they're both sudanese/syrians/etc' .. ethnic groups, that's how.
That's not a problem with genocide studies (which is an academic discipline). Of course specialists in the field are perfectly aware that there are ethnic groups in Iran.
What you're talking about is lack of understanding among non-specialists on Twitter.
Study war....that's mass genocide. No I don't mean 'war crimes' or 'genocide'...I mean war.
It's mass violence, but genocide is something different. Don't mix and erase terms, it's actively harmful.
Also, anthropologists DO study war.
@@weareallbornmad410 All war is genocidal....no such thing as "war crime" as being separate from war simpliciter. Moreover, no such thing as 'just war'.
@@petrospetroupetrou9653 That idea results in response to Nazi invasion of Poland and then Holocaust being a genocidal act.
@@weareallbornmad410 All types of coalitionary conflict solutions to manufactured 'problems', resulting in profits for the military and banking complexes.
@@weareallbornmad410 Don't get stuck into talking about this war, or that war. That's a cop out!
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