I hope this blesses some... 🙏 I was 5 years of chronic illness! I was Semi Housebound, lost my health, job, finances and my fiance left me. I couldn't even look at electronic screen for 5 minutes, or hold a 10-minute conversation. But God did an amazing work. I now have a Christian Channel where I encourage people and show them what God did in my life and that there is hope for you also. ✝️🔥😊 *Keep believing even when it's hard* 🙏❤️🔥 *All things are possible with God*
What/which (kind of) God are you referring to? The TRUE & ONLY GOD, WHO IS CHRIST JESUS or another or other god (s) worshipped by all the man-made religions of the world?
Mr Jay appreciate your passion. I’ve followed you for about a year, learned a lot. Thank you. We know you know your stuff, be helpful for many of us if you’d slow down your speech ( you know it so well it’s easy to go through ie) some of us don’t and we don’t know a lot of these names you mention much less how to spell them to take notes or to study on our own to know this content better. Thank you for all you do
Yes since last twenty plus years Jay is trying ti sniff buts of Muslims instead of learning true Religion, and Truth. Christian Preachers vs Muslims; ruclips.net/video/10O-qCE146c/видео.html (watch Jay Smith 20 years back in this video at video time count 8:00 onwards)
God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM, this is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation" (Exodus 3:13-15) Jesus answered, "Truly I tell you, before Abraham was I AM" (John 8:53-58)
@@el_killorcure The Lord of Abraham chose not to bless the Children of Israel with his blessed PERSONAL name. The tetragrammaton is commonly transliterated into Latin letters as YHWH. In reality, nobody knows how to pronounce it because there are no vowels and we know it is not a name because it is a VERB.
@@dfwtransport2420 You did NOT answer me: show me the name in the Quran if it's there. Jews and Christians have always understood YHWH as God's personal name. By your logic your prophet has no name we know of either, since blessed one is a verb as well, in past tense
Nothing in Islamic narratives is significant everything has holes. If you read Quran independently you can't understand half what is written. The English version has many verses missing or words in bracket. Just do not understand the concept of writing in brackets. Why a holy book need words in brackets to make you understand. It should have been self explanatory.Good work brothers. The work you are doing Muslims today can't answer even one challenge you have put forward. They can't even answer any questions I have put before them.
I've a English Koran, I'm trying to find the actual verses. I don't see it. It is very difficult. N also the suras are not there. When I listen to Jay Smith, Alfadi, CP, Rob Christian, n make notes n look at the Koran the Koran. I've the ar there.
Christian Preachers vs Muslims; ruclips.net/video/10O-qCE146c/видео.html (watch Jay Smith 20 years back in this video at video time count 8:00 onwards)
Questions that make sense Did he really meet an angel - who was witness How do you know it was not Satan ? Is that the best God could do to reveal himself Is that the best man God could choose Is that the best book God could reveal Makes sense that violence and forceful conversions were required as there was no way to prove it.
Islam is the fastest growing religion on earth today. How many White Americans are being forced to convert ? Admit it, you cannot understand how fast Islam spread around the world without the need of any forceful conversions. It terrifies you.
@@dfwtransport2420 Where are the converts? Who is actually converting to Islam? Almost nobody. That's why European/American converts to Islam become celebrities in the Islamic world, because they're so rare, and so useful for propaganda. It's growing only because Muslims have more children than Christians and unbelievers. That's going to change eventually though. When Islam stops being leftist media's darling, everyone will be exposed to the truth discovered by Dan, Jay, Al Fadi, Hatun and the rest.
@Felsimore Gumtang Why are there no coins? Why are there no rock inscriptions? Lack of paper doesn't remotely get you out of the hot water you're in. Where are the references to Muhammad, the Qur'an, Mecca? Nowhere! Jesus is attested to as the Son of God and God in the flesh, definitively as far back as the 2nd century AD, in our earliest fragments of John. Historical analysis of further manuscripts and literature trace the deity of Christ to no later than 50AD. When did the corruption happen? Before even the writing of the gospels? Why then does your Qur'an say to judge according to the gospels? You cannot escape the truth, you have no facts on your side.
@Felsimore Gumtang You've got no idea what you're talking about. *Coins-* I'm pretty sure your response has been debunked by other evidence CIRA has talked about, but I'm not well versed enough in it to respond, so on to the things I can. *Stone inscriptions-* First off, why did you even mention the scarcity of paper if they're illiterate to begin with? Second, isn't it the standard narrative that the Qur'an was compiled from its writing on skins, bone, stone, etc. that was collected during and around Muhammad's lifetime? Third, I'm not even talking about Muhammad's time in specific, there are no inscriptions until the dome of the rock, where is your entire history up until then? *Mecca-* Yeah, Mecca wasn't a popular place, that's kind of the point here. It wasn't the holy city of Islam until much later. It's out of the way, not on any major trade routes, not particularly fertile either, and recent digs have turned up no artifacts to corroborate the claims the Qur'an makes about it. *The Gospel-* Yeah, there is only one gospel, the 'gospels' are simply slight variations in its telling. Emphasis on slight. The message is unanimous, and has been since the 2nd century at the latest. Were there really these Nazarenes in Arabia, or is that just an ad hoc explanation? Why are there no remains of their version of the gospel? Why didn't Allah preserve that, if they apparently were allies of Muhammad? *Corruption-* - *Of the New Testament* And we still have those Greek manuscripts today, to verify the message is true. Rome definitely DID corrupt the truth, but we've since recovered all of it. - *Of the Old Testament* If this corruption of considering the 10 tribes as gentiles happened when Israel and Judea split, then why is this not found IN the Old Testament? Where was the Word corrupted? Why are they still considered Israel throughout the books? I'll tell you why- because no matter how much they resented their northern neighbors, Israel reveres the Torah above all else, and would not dare to edit it. And because God *does* preserve His Word. - *Catholic Bible* What are you even talking about here? The Catholic Bible contains absolutely nothing about the saints. It just has a few additional history books, which Protestants like myself don't consider to be divinely inspired. The Bible was compiled *700 years* before the first crusade, Old Testament included. Your version of events is pure fever dream fantasy with no basis in fact!
@@defenderoftruth3212 Codswallop! It was YOUR demon god Al Lah who caused Jesus to be replaced on the cross with a fake Jesus. And then he deceived billions of Christians this past 2000 years? Yahya you haven't read the Gospel yet? You know full well what Jesus himself said- "NO ONE COMES TO GOD EXCEPT THROUGH ME". He said, "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father". 600 years AFTER Jesus, Muhammad comes along and makes up stories that defend HIMSELF, not God. Shame on you. You know better!
Jesus in Greek is Jesus and Hebrew He is Yeshua which means Lord saved. This is not a sentence but a statement of freedom. Christ does not need anyone to be disproved. He is said I am the shamash, the light of the world, the serving light.
After moving the black stone out of Petra it is plausible that it was initially placed half way in between Petra and Mecca. That is likely in view of the ‘in between’ qubla direction. When this location did not work out Zubair moved it further south to what is now Mecca.
"Satan is the father of lies who lies in his native language and was a murderer from the beginning. (John 8:44) Muhammad and his father Abdullah worshipped Al lah the god of kabaa.
The Arabs are the children of Ishmael who grew up in Arabia after Hagar and Ishmael were settled in current day Mecca. Abraham would visit them and he taught his son Monotheism. Ishmael taught his children Monotheism, the name of God and other Abrahamic beliefs. Over time, the Arabs slid into paganism and the Kaaba was defiled with idols and other bizarre rituals like walking around naked. Prophet Muhammad started preaching Monotheism to the Arabs of Mecca and they fought hard against him. The first 10 years the Muslims were commanded by Allah to observe non violence and no retaliation. Many early Muslims were killed and others had to emigrate to Abyssinia to get asylum with the Christian King. The Pagan Arabs even followed the Muslims while trying to kill them. After 10 years the famous verses of war were revealed and the Muslims were allowed to retaliate and kill the Pagans wherever they found them. Within 100 years paganism and idolatry had disappeared from the Arabian Peninsula. Islam is the system of the Cube that will bring mankind out of the slavery of the system of the Pyramid (New World Order). It was true in the time of Moses and it will be true tomorrow. ruclips.net/video/IW0FrgSd80k/видео.html
@OM SHANTI - The children of ISHMAEL are called Arabs. They are the children of the First born son of Abraham and Islam is the ISHMAELITE COVENANT. The Muslims inherited the promises given to Abraham and that is why we Muslims ruled Jerusalem for 1000 years.
@@danboroski8998 - The Arabs are the children of Ishmael who grew up in Arabia after Hagar and Ishmael were settled in current day Mecca. Abraham would visit them and he taught his son Monotheism. Ishmael taught his children Monotheism, the name of God and other Abrahamic beliefs. Over time, the Arabs slid into paganism and the Kaaba was defiled with idols and other bizarre rituals like walking around naked. Prophet Muhammad started preaching Monotheism to the Arabs of Mecca and they fought hard against him. The first 10 years the Muslims were commanded by Allah to observe non violence and no retaliation. Many early Muslims were killed and others had to emigrate to Abyssinia to get asylum with the Christian King. The Pagan Arabs even followed the Muslims while trying to kill them. After 10 years the famous verses of war were revealed and the Muslims were allowed to retaliate and kill the Pagans wherever they found them. Within 100 years paganism and idolatry had disappeared from the Arabian Peninsula. Islam is the system of the Cube that will bring mankind out of the slavery of the system of the Pyramid (New World Order). It was true in the time of Moses and it will be true tomorrow. ruclips.net/video/IW0FrgSd80k/видео.html
Yeah!!!we need to preach more to these Muslims so that at the end of times we should not be asked by God that you had knowledge and you did not bring people to me...
@@rogath_silayo Amen! Ezekiel 3:18 "When I say to the wicked, 'You will surely die', and you do not warn him or speak out to warn the wicked from his wicked way that he may live, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand." 3:19 "Yet if you have warned the wicked and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered yourself." These people have no fear of the Living God.
As a Muslim, I find this research fascinating. It hasn't changed my faith, only made me realise the origins of Islam are not straightforward. The truth has been changed in history.
Al Fadi, many religious people (as I'm sure you're aware) are genuinely incurious about their faith. I'm related to a LOT of Catholics who are the poster children for ignorance and apathy. What's the difference between ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care. My very religious Catholic sister told me one time, "I don't have to read the bible, I HAVE faith." Islam is very much like Catholicism. Both are violence and terror based. Both of them depend on the rank and file NOT doing any real investigation. Both of them are ruled by power hungry despots bent on world domination. There is always a remnant, however, and I thank you for being the voice of one crying in the wilderness. You are saving souls. Kudos to you!
Shared and loved: Dear Dr. Jay Smith, thank you very much for the clearification, which was told the same by Professor to me to change last name to have better future in 2016 in New Zealand. It opened new doors, changed my personality. I changed my last name from DADAMUKHAMEDOV (GRANDFATHER MUKHAMMAD) to AZIMOV. It impacted my acceptance to the western world with good intention.
This is how Islam started, Some of the successful tribal leaders started claiming that their appointment was from God, a singular diety stolen from Jewish tradition. The appointment itself stolen from Persian pagan and jewish beliefs. That is why they were so successful in it's initial period, they were not considered outsiders of different religion but one among the people themselves. The Caliphs were not called Caliphs till the mid 8th or 9th century, mohammad did not appear on the scene till mid 7th century. People who have tried to find proof about mohammad have come up with nothing till date. Allah, Muhammad, Islam are generic terms applicable to anybody. Even Muslim courts have affirmed that.
@@jakesjakes9901 Thanks but this is main stream and somewhat Muslim conforming narrative. But the archelogical studies are yet to prove mohammad's existence, Islam did not take root or even propogate from Mecca. The earliest socalled Caliphs were not even called Caliphs.Quran itself came from contemprory plagiarism from differrent people and at different times. The earliest versions were destroyed by Muslims themselves bcoz they raised more questions than they answered. In the big picture this makes no difference to the character of Islam but in a focused study it changes everything. If Jesus and Mohammad are both considered mythical characters, there is 10X more circumstential evidence to Jesus than Mohammad. His is just a story with no corroborating evidence. For example, try to find one archological evidence to the famous battle of khyber, apart from stories of dubious antecedents, there is none. No contemprory references, no stone epitaphs, or victory mosques or coins Somebody who ruled Arabia for 40 years cannot do it without even a single coin.
@Mansoor Ahmad it’s not a lie, the truth is slowly seeping out, islam is false plain and simple. Get out of islam, don’t jump in hell with blind eyes. Mohammed is already crying there.
@Mansoor Ahmad Christians worship one God, father son and holy spirt. Muslims worship three pagan gods. Black stone, Mohammed and allah call (Twhead. Islam can’t fool in 21st century 😆
@Mansoor Ahmad The god of Islam which is Devil keeping you spiritually blind so you don’t get save. I had same questions when I was a Muslim. Thank God I’m saved by the blood of Jesus ✝️🙏
@Mansoor Ahmad I left 3 Islamic pagan gods. black stone, Mohammed god and allah. and now I’m worshiping one God father son and holey sprit. And if you don’t understand than asked Christian God he is alive and always answers our prayers. Our God is not like fake allah who never listen because he doesn’t exist. Mohammed is Allah’s fake ID
@Mansoor Ahmad allah’s three daughters Al- Lat, Al -Uzza and Manat 😆 Allah’s two right hands one leg one eye 😆 And MohMad’s satanic verses. Mohammed’s 6 years old baby wife. Shame on you, following the satanic cult of Islam. Un defendable. Thank God I left islam ad no more embarrassment.
"Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place." - 2 Corinthians 2:14 amen
I have been reading a Qur’an that was published in 1995 by a Ahmadiyyah Anjuma Isha’at Islam in Lahore Pakistani. Could you please tell me if I should continue reading this or recommend another?
@Vickneswaran Ramakrishnan Well, it's possible but not necessary. We know that the Kaaba was used to hold a myriad of idols so it does not match the tabernacle. However, it's possible being at Petra that Abraham could have gone there to repair it with Ismael. We will have to see what more archeological finds are coming in the next few years. One question I have about Petra, if it is a mausoleum where's the bones? Or did they practice cremation?
I wonder if the mosque now known as the "Dome of the Rock" was completed before Mecca was rebuilt. Abd al-Malik is said to have built that mosque in 691 to 692. I presume that after the death of Abd Allah ibn al-Zubayr in late 692, Abd al-Malik decided not to return the black rock to its original location, but to start a long process of making the current location of Mecca suitable for pilgrimages.
The footnote to Mecca is similar to the footprint in Sri Lanka. The symbol is that of the Buddha. The author of the Quran wanted the Muslims to seek refuge in the Buddha again. The thipitakaya words match the some words of the Qur'an. Muslims today do not know that past.
@@onlignebridge4224 Hebrew is an older language and therefore a source While the word HAJ itself has no meaning but only an Arabic interpretation, it is a Hebrew word! I know that Christians are anti-Jewish but what to do, Hebrew is an ancient language along with Sumerian and Akkadian, and the other languages are derived from it (Aramaic, Ugaritic, Phoenician, Arabic and more)
Lots of analysis and arguments over God and Allah when no one in this world has ever seen any of them!! Neither has anybody seen or come back from "heaven" or " hell" to tell us what lies there. Still we continue to " believe" in these things and fight/ kill each other to prove one's superiority over the other. Isn't it tragic to fight over something we have no first hand experience of? We would be far better off if only we became good decent human beings ourselves and help each other as long as we live on this planet.
I did some quick research on old maps of the 6th and 7th century and I did find Mecca in them. So which is it ? Also, in a 7th Century map I found, there is a mention not of Mecca, but of Macoraba. Could the name Mecca derive from Macoraba ? Any explanation about this ?
It should be noted that Dan Gibson does not agree with Jay, that Mohammad didn't exist. I think a fair description of Dan Gibson's understanding of the history of Islam is that the standard narrative is generally correct with a number of misunderstandings creeping into the modern interpretation. The real Mecca being Petra probably being the largest. If you look on Dan's channel and watch a video he put out recently called "Which Approach to Islam?", he explains his view on the matter thoroughly.
Al Fadi and Jay: Can you help us see any connection of the coins, both pre- and after Islam begins, with the early writings, especially the ones that were carbon dated (in your earlier videos). I am assuming that early Islam would be Nabatean, and verses in the “Meccan” Koran were respectful toward both Jews and Christians. If these Nabatean were referred to (or referred to themselves) as Hagarites, Ishmaelites, and other names, would it make sense to say that they deferred to Jews and Christians because they FULLY UNDERSTOOD that they were not a part of the Abraham and Sarah Covenant with God that became Issac, etc. I think many people think that Ishmael’s birth was valid because he was a son of Abram. However, the story exists because Abram/Sarai had no children/legacy to pass on, so Sarai volunteered Hagar. However, Ishmael was 13 years old when the Covenant was made/names changed to Abraham/Sarah. (Abraham and Sarah were actually 1/2 brother/sister with a common father, which is why the Covenant is actually to THEM, and not to simply Abraham. Ishmael was never a part of it.) So the Nabateans understood their place….but the coins tell the story of the split between Judaism/Christianity and the new religion, Islam. This all makes sense to me…..what do the two of you think?
One thing not mentioned... According to Islamic tradition Muslims first faced towards Jerusalem then later it was changed through revelation to Mecca. I've always wondered why that is. Why God would say to face one way... Then change his mind.
So Mecca could be like a Hollywood set dipticing the the real , authentic , original site of Petra. If so the Hajj is only a play with the pilgrims as unwitting set actors. Islam is then a grand play and nothing sacred about it since it is all a show.
Where does the EARTHQUAKE, in Petra, fit into the timeline please? In this episode, we here of the destruction of Petra, because of a rebellion. Was there, in addition, a natural destruction pls? Tky v much
Can someone please give the source of the history when Ibn Zubayr rebelled & took the blackstone to south? I want to complete my mindmap with this information. Thank you 🙏🙏
You can look at Dan Gibsons RUclips channel. There is a whole series about his views. I think the reference about ibn zubair is from Tabari. Of course the fact that he had the stone taken to the south is only the theory of Dan Gibson. Best start would be his movie "sacred city"
Amazing and fascinating research! I wonder if you've seen any of Prof Walter Vieth's lectures regarding the connection between Catholicism and Islam? The similarities are amazing too.
( وَإِنَّ لُوطًا لَّمِنَ الْمُرْسَلِينَ (133) إِذْ نَجَّيْنَاهُ وَأَهْلَهُ أَجْمَعِينَ (134) إِلَّا عَجُوزًا فِي الْغَابِرِينَ (135) ثُمَّ دَمَّرْنَا الْآخَرِينَ (136) وَإِنَّكُمْ لَتَمُرُّونَ عَلَيْهِم مُّصْبِحِينَ (137) وَبِاللَّيْلِ ۗ أَفَلَا تَعْقِلُونَ (138) )● =>مكان إقامة قوم محمد في الاية اعلاه بجوار مساكن قوم لوط حيث انو المسافة قريبة جدا الى درجة أنهم يمرون عليهم مصبحين و في المساء ايضا... يعني في ام القرى ( البتراء) ....و البتراء تبعد فعلا عن مساكن قوم لوط مسافة قصيرة جدا
@@dfwtransport2420 Maybe, who knows? People walked all over the place for thousands of years. On the other hand, I think there is evidence that the Black Stone was moved from Petra to Mecca.
@@dfwtransport2420 Oh Ya and you believe this nonsense? The Bible did not record it and no other historical books - even of Egypt record it ... only what I slam says without historical evidence. There was no historical evidence that Moses went there. There is no historical evidence that Mecca even existed. Show me one piece of pottery, or stone, or coin that Mecca existed during the time of Moses, dud. He love to believe lies.
Iyas bin Qabisa Al-Taei He is the king of Mandari (Lakhmiads) Iyas bin Qabisah Al-Ta’i (Elia / Aliya), nicknamed (Al-Muhammad), the conqueror of the Romans and the Persians and the founder of the Islamic religion on the monotheistic Christian Nestorian Judaism of the Ebionites to fight the Trinitarian Christianity, the religion of the Roman Byzantine state - the plot to overthrow and assassinate him by the military commander and Ruler (Merv) in Persia Muawiyah bin Abi Sufyan (Mawiyah / Nectas bin Shahr Baraz) from Armenia and liquidation of his family and the seizure of power over the state by the monotheistic Christian Umayyads - the takeover of Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan (Abd al-Malik from Meru), founder of the Islamic state On the rule of the Umayyads and the crystallization of the monotheistic Jewish-Christian religion of Islam and its official establishment - Putting down the revolution of Abdullah bin Al-Zubayr (Abdullah from Al-Zabeel) Al-Hajjaj bin Yusuf Al-Thaqafi is a destroyer The Kaaba of Petra in Jordan and the first forger of Islam and the Qur’an - the rule of the Abbasids, the Asian Mongols, and their transfer to the Qiblah of Muslims and the place of pilgrimage from Petra to the Kaaba of Mecca, the current Hijaz, and their completion of the forgery of Islam at the hands of the biography writers, all of them from Persia and Khorasan (Bukhari, Tirmidhi, Al-Nisaburi Or An-Nasa’i, Ibn Muslim) to establish the pillars of political rule and to resolve the struggle for power in the Islamic state.
@Joe Carbone you are one of those westerners that Dr. Y. Quidi said has advanced over those previous ones with no red line to stop your advancement. I would say gained knowledge by the bucket full sticking those containers under those pesky holes in the standard narrative. :-)
@@gilbertjones9157 I can only speak from a historical context. Sadly for some religious scholars with a doctorate in Islamic Studies would be no different getting a doctorate in Greek Mythology and believing its real while being unaware of themselves as scholars of historical fabrication bestowed upon them by lords of greed and power. The unspoken truth is the Abrahamic religion along where Zoroastrian, and whatever middle Eastern and central Asian religions in the 7th century into the 8th and 9th century were highjacked to form an as an offshoot religion disguised as a rooted Abrahamic religion with its sole purpose to gain legitimacy by delegitimizing the authenticity of Christianity and Judaism, and all non adherents believers, and yet assumes itself in a narcissistic nature of superiority and supremacy over the inhabitants in order to govern, rule, canonize laws by a book from God through a messenger, but in reality was meant to expand territory to gain riches and power its rulers wanted. What really gave rise to the inception of early Islam is the lack of separation of state and religion. This was originally created when Christianity and Philosophy was adopted by “Roman Empire”. When we look at the early inception of Christianity and its struggle to become the official religion of the Roman Empire and how it became the protector of the Trinitarian dogma by giving the emperor a vested power of the church, this gave the emperor the power to stumble all the opposing of non Trinitarian Christian parties indiscriminately. Those who opposed, were the creators of early Islam. Unfortunately those who never accepted the Trinitarian philosophy were driven out towards the opposing Roman might, the Persians, this led them to re-establish themselves as a fighting force against the Roman Empire and sought a major opportunity to rise when Persian empire was defeated by the Roman/Byzantines. The creation of early Islam (known as a Non Trinitarian Christianity and Talmudic Judaism sect) did exactly and as when Roman state shared power with the Church, therefore uniting their religion and state as one, resulted in a successful conquests of Roman controlled territory by these early Muslims . Later on this gain of power and territory gave rise to factional power grab among the early Muslims. The winner were the Abbasids who also had re-wrote history to legitimize themselves as Gods power on earth and created Modern Islam to rival the Roman version of Christianity. Simply put, if all the believers of Christ just listened to what he said “give Cesar what is to Cesar and what is to God to God” we would not be in these religious debacles. Hopefully 🙏 one day the modern world would find peace by at least listening to the key messages from our Holy Lord Jesus Christ, and re-examine history with an open mind.
Sweet a double header today. Just finished putting out replies to your Quidi Remembrance Anniversary [we need a solid name to use for this June 8th commemoration]. I was 417 in that thread. Now 36 here. I need to eat my dinner first. I'll come back to comment and reply later after eating while watching the video.
An intelligent enemy is better than a stupid friend. Pretend you are dead and you will see who really loves you. It is better to refuse than to accept and not go. A house cannot be repaired when the owner is destroying it. When you change kings you change customs. CHRISTIANS SAYS JESUS IS A MESSENGER, MUSLIMS SAY MOHAMED IS THE MESSENGER. THE QUESTION IS DID YOU GET THE MESSAGE...?
While the holes are clearly there for all to see, I think there is a danger of talking with too much certainty about what fills those holes - I have watched Dan Gibson's documentary and it is just assumption on his part how the black stone ended up in Mecca. Unless there is new material to come for this, it feels a bit like trying to make things fit without necessarily having reason in evidence to do so.
If in the pre retirement age, Muhamad returns to Petra ( City of Temples & Tombs ); is there a possibility that the grave of Muhammad could be still in Petra? Is there any one single inconspicuous grave that is significant in Petra? May the blessing of Dushara Al Uzza Wa Al Lat be with you as always, for the kind of awareness you are inspiring amongst the ignorant, infidels and the arrogant.
Im anticipating a validation for the claim that muhammad was christian. Unfortunately this video and next dont continue from the last😢 if ibn kabisa/muhammad was christian, pls explain again what was he doing in petra in relation to being a Christian? This is getting confusing...
History Is izlm enemy It debunks their claims And brings them shames Al Fadi and Jay To Jesus we all pray That He gives you wisdom Bring mzlm back to His kingdom
Believe it or not! The location of Mecca is very significant and critically important to prove that the god of Islam is the prince of the bottomless pit. The cave (Hira), on top of Jabel Al Noor, through which Mohammed received revelation is precisely 666 nautical miles from the Holy of Holies of the Jewish Temple at Jerusalem. Moreover these two locations and point in Garden of Eden where Eve got deceived is 666 nautical miles and the tree locations together form an equilateral triangle. The top part of Jabel Al Noor is the cap of the bottomless pit.
Neuroscientist found that decision making, especially things like who to vote for, what to by, which religion to embrace, are all made with high reliance upon the emotive sphere of the mind - which is why people don’t change political parties despite a stack of facts suggesting that they are wrong. People aren’t going to leave their religion very easily even if you stack up a ton of evidence suggesting its wrong.
Jesus never claimed that he is God or Worship me, Infact in the bible there are lot of verses direct words from jesus , That "my father is greater then I" " i go to my Father and your Father , My god and your God" , Jesus prays in the garden of Gethsemane " Abba, Father, for you all things are possible; remove this cup from me; yet, not what I want, but what you want" so in the bible there is no such thing called "Trinity" at all, if you think jesus is God then why He always Pray to Father ? "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me" does Jesus sound like a God ? Not at all, Please read your Bible Jesus never claimed to be God or Worship me.
Al-Fadi has his Arabic channels, dud, if you yourself understand Arabic. Are you too lazy to find it? But for us, we understand American English ... and appreciate all the facts they have researched, gathered and are presenting.
@@zoeashes6347 woow, I don't know why you couldn't just say he has an arabic chanel too. I didn't ask the question with a bad intention. Anyway, I don't speak arabic that well, I prefer to listen to his programs in english and I think it's very great what he does.
@@dangiyaran2362 Sorry then. There are many Abdool spammers who are in Christian in the comments just to insult unfortunately. It may be better to ask is there one in Arabic.
You could do with a better write up on this, this simply doesn't cover the info "Mecca is regarded as the historical center of Islam and its traditions, yet Mecca is only a shadow of the great northern city of Petra which was the religious center in the ancient world. Likewise, the Islamic pilgrimage was also simply a copy of Petra’s religious practices while the Qur’anic Arabic also proves to originate in Petra. These facts again point to the many discrepancies of the Islamic traditions which are based much too far south than the historical data allows. Watch as Al Fadi and Dr. Jay discuss the historical significance of Petra and the historical insignificance of Mecca."
Both you and Al Fadi seem to have many controversial take on things Islam and Muhammad. To show that both of you are honest academics and intellectuals please be brave enough to have all your valuable findings in book form published by reputable firms. This is to ensure that your wisdom can be accessed by the whole world. Thank you.
The maps that Jay shows at 18:07 are not what he says they are. Al Fadi, please hold Jay to account on these things. The first map Jay shows, labeled as "TABVLA ASIAE VI", was created by Sebastian Munster and based on the work of Claudius Ptolemy. The map was part of the 1540 publication, 'Geographia Universalis'. You can search for "swaen munster1540" and find photographs of its maps. This is #22. So, not 6/7th century. The second and third maps Jay shows, labeled as "ARABIAE Veteris", are actually the same map but cropped differently. This map was created by Christoph Weigel in 1720 with the city names also coming from Ptolemy. So again, not 6/7th century. The fourth map, labeled as "The KINGDOMS of ARMENIA, PONTUS, CAPPADOCIA, MEDIA &c.", was created by Isaac Bazire in the mid 1700s. The source for his cities also seems to be Ptolemy, but regardless, not 6/7th century. If Jay wants to argue that Claudius Ptolemy was unaware of any city named Mecca in the 2nd century when he recorded this information then fine, but these maps add nothing to his argument and in fact take away from it when people understand that these maps were not created when he said they were. I don't care if it was Jay or Patricia Crone that dug up these maps, they're not from the 6th or 7th centuries. Unless someone can give an answer to this information I've presented, please stop spreading these maps!
@@rowanparchi5199 I have not read her book. But if she used these maps, the answer would be no. If she used others, they would have to be evaluated on their own merit.
Not so far from muslim Tradition, Muslims when they heard the voice from their mosqe.. They should have, go mosqe and pray.. Or even home, or even where they are standing Daniel 3 4 The herald shouted, “You people of all nations, races, and languages, 5 when you hear the sound of the horn, flute, harp, harp, and other instruments, kneel down and worship the golden statue that King Nebuchadnezzar had erected. 6 Anyone who does not worship will be immediately thrown into a burning fiery furnace. ” 7 So when they heard the sound of the instruments, they knelt down and worshiped the image
Debate: Dr. Zakir Naik vs. Dr William Campbell - The Quran and the Bible in the Light of Science @ check ✔ the debate your self don't be a sheep and just follow be a wolf and youse your mind . Make your one discovery to the truth . May Allah/God help you
For by his own body Jesus Christ saved all flesh [and restored it to life], so that he might show forth the temple of righteousness in his body, in whom [or whereby] we are saved [, in whom if we believe we are set free]. .. And as for that which they say, that there is no resurrection of the flesh, they indeed shall have no resurrection [to life, but to judgment] because they do not believe in him that is risen from the dead, [not believing nor understanding]. For they do not know, O Corinthians, the seeds of wheat or of other seeds, how they are cast bare into the earth and are corrupted and rise again by the will of God with bodies and clothed. And not only that [body] which is cast in rises again, but many times more blessing itself. ... How much more, [oh you of little faith], shall he raise you that have believed in Christ Jesus, just as he himself arose. In the same way, a dead man also was cast upon the bones of the prophet Elisha by the children of Israel, and he arose, both body and soul and bones and spirit [or arose in his body]. How much more shall you who have been cast upon the body and bones and spirit of the Lord [or How much more, oh you of little faith, shall you which have been cast on him] rise again in that day having your flesh whole, [just as he rose]? ... If, then, you receive any other doctrine, [God shall be a witness against you]. Let no man trouble me, for I bear these bonds that I may win Christ. I therefore bear his marks in my body so that I may attain to the resurrection of the dead. Whoever receives [or abides in] the rule which he has received by the blessed prophets and the holy Gospel shall receive a reward from the Lord, [and when he rises from the dead shall obtain eternal life]. But whoever transgresses these things, with him is the fire, and with those that walk in the same way, which are a generation of vipers [or who are men without God], whom you must reject in the power of the Lord, and peace, [grace, and love] shall be with you.
The video is very informative and interesting. Thanks to Al Fadi and Dr. Jay Smith.
I hope this blesses some... 🙏
I was 5 years of chronic illness! I was Semi Housebound, lost my health, job, finances and my fiance left me. I couldn't even look at electronic screen for 5 minutes, or hold a 10-minute conversation.
But God did an amazing work.
I now have a Christian Channel where I encourage people and show them what God did in my life and that there is hope for you also. ✝️🔥😊
*Keep believing even when it's hard* 🙏❤️🔥
*All things are possible with God*
Thanks
Hahahahahahahaha 😂😂😂
@Felsimore Gumtang God is a myth
@Rayrad 696 yes thank you for saying that
What/which (kind of) God are you referring to? The TRUE & ONLY GOD, WHO IS CHRIST JESUS or another or other god (s) worshipped by all the man-made religions of the world?
Mr Jay appreciate your passion. I’ve followed you for about a year, learned a lot. Thank you.
We know you know your stuff, be helpful for many of us if you’d slow down your speech ( you know it so well it’s easy to go through ie) some of us don’t and we don’t know a lot of these names you mention much less how to spell them to take notes or to study on our own to know this content better.
Thank you for all you do
Yes since last twenty plus years Jay is trying ti sniff buts of Muslims instead of learning true Religion, and Truth.
Christian Preachers vs Muslims; ruclips.net/video/10O-qCE146c/видео.html (watch Jay Smith 20 years back in this video at video time count 8:00 onwards)
God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM, this is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation" (Exodus 3:13-15)
Jesus answered, "Truly I tell you, before Abraham was I AM" (John 8:53-58)
God would not disclose his blessed personal name to the children of Isaac.............but he did to the children of the first born son.
@@dfwtransport2420 Care to be specific?
If the name of YHWH is in the Quran, we all missed it.
@@Feqh - GOD chose not to tell Moses or the Israelites his personal name. The Tentagramatton - YHWY - it is not a name, it is a verb
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The Lord of Abraham chose not to bless the Children of Israel with his blessed PERSONAL name. The tetragrammaton is commonly transliterated into Latin letters as YHWH. In reality, nobody knows how to pronounce it because there are no vowels and we know it is not a name because it is a VERB.
@@dfwtransport2420 You did NOT answer me: show me the name in the Quran if it's there.
Jews and Christians have always understood YHWH as God's personal name. By your logic your prophet has no name we know of either, since blessed one is a verb as well, in past tense
Nothing in Islamic narratives is significant everything has holes. If you read Quran independently you can't understand half what is written. The English version has many verses missing or words in bracket. Just do not understand the concept of writing in brackets. Why a holy book need words in brackets to make you understand. It should have been self explanatory.Good work brothers. The work you are doing Muslims today can't answer even one challenge you have put forward. They can't even answer any questions I have put before them.
I've a English Koran, I'm trying to find the actual verses. I don't see it. It is very difficult. N also the suras are not there. When I listen to Jay Smith, Alfadi, CP, Rob Christian, n make notes n look at the Koran the Koran. I've the ar there.
yes it is an empty shell
Peace be upon Al Fadi & Dr. Jay. Thanks for the truth.
Christian Preachers vs Muslims; ruclips.net/video/10O-qCE146c/видео.html (watch Jay Smith 20 years back in this video at video time count 8:00 onwards)
The truth is that all religions are human made, full of fairy tales and against humanity and science
I guess Im quite off topic but does anybody know a good website to watch newly released series online ?
@Nikolai Ridge i watch on FlixZone. Just search on google for it :)
@Sebastian Jamison yup, been using FlixZone for years myself :)
The holes are perfectly preserved 🙌
I'm amazed. I've been watching your episodes every day. Keep it up
Questions that make sense
Did he really meet an angel - who was witness
How do you know it was not Satan ?
Is that the best God could do to reveal himself
Is that the best man God could choose
Is that the best book God could reveal
Makes sense that violence and forceful conversions were required as there was no way to prove it.
Islam is the fastest growing religion on earth today. How many White Americans are being forced to convert ? Admit it, you cannot understand how fast Islam spread around the world without the need of any forceful conversions. It terrifies you.
@@dfwtransport2420 The fastest growing by birth rate and started by violence and force
@@dfwtransport2420 Where are the converts? Who is actually converting to Islam? Almost nobody. That's why European/American converts to Islam become celebrities in the Islamic world, because they're so rare, and so useful for propaganda. It's growing only because Muslims have more children than Christians and unbelievers. That's going to change eventually though. When Islam stops being leftist media's darling, everyone will be exposed to the truth discovered by Dan, Jay, Al Fadi, Hatun and the rest.
@Gerard Moloney join the family and you will find peace to your soul.
Most likely might have been Lucifer
Thanks both you for sharing your extraordinary knowledge
Miracle of perfectly preserved holes in the narrative
Theres a narrative in the perfectly preaerved holes
@Felsimore Gumtang No archeological evidence around Makka lol
@Felsimore Gumtang Why are there no coins? Why are there no rock inscriptions? Lack of paper doesn't remotely get you out of the hot water you're in. Where are the references to Muhammad, the Qur'an, Mecca? Nowhere!
Jesus is attested to as the Son of God and God in the flesh, definitively as far back as the 2nd century AD, in our earliest fragments of John. Historical analysis of further manuscripts and literature trace the deity of Christ to no later than 50AD. When did the corruption happen? Before even the writing of the gospels? Why then does your Qur'an say to judge according to the gospels? You cannot escape the truth, you have no facts on your side.
@Felsimore Gumtang You've got no idea what you're talking about.
*Coins-* I'm pretty sure your response has been debunked by other evidence CIRA has talked about, but I'm not well versed enough in it to respond, so on to the things I can.
*Stone inscriptions-* First off, why did you even mention the scarcity of paper if they're illiterate to begin with? Second, isn't it the standard narrative that the Qur'an was compiled from its writing on skins, bone, stone, etc. that was collected during and around Muhammad's lifetime? Third, I'm not even talking about Muhammad's time in specific, there are no inscriptions until the dome of the rock, where is your entire history up until then?
*Mecca-* Yeah, Mecca wasn't a popular place, that's kind of the point here. It wasn't the holy city of Islam until much later. It's out of the way, not on any major trade routes, not particularly fertile either, and recent digs have turned up no artifacts to corroborate the claims the Qur'an makes about it.
*The Gospel-* Yeah, there is only one gospel, the 'gospels' are simply slight variations in its telling. Emphasis on slight. The message is unanimous, and has been since the 2nd century at the latest. Were there really these Nazarenes in Arabia, or is that just an ad hoc explanation? Why are there no remains of their version of the gospel? Why didn't Allah preserve that, if they apparently were allies of Muhammad?
*Corruption-*
- *Of the New Testament* And we still have those Greek manuscripts today, to verify the message is true. Rome definitely DID corrupt the truth, but we've since recovered all of it.
- *Of the Old Testament* If this corruption of considering the 10 tribes as gentiles happened when Israel and Judea split, then why is this not found IN the Old Testament? Where was the Word corrupted? Why are they still considered Israel throughout the books? I'll tell you why- because no matter how much they resented their northern neighbors, Israel reveres the Torah above all else, and would not dare to edit it. And because God *does* preserve His Word.
- *Catholic Bible* What are you even talking about here? The Catholic Bible contains absolutely nothing about the saints. It just has a few additional history books, which Protestants like myself don't consider to be divinely inspired. The Bible was compiled *700 years* before the first crusade, Old Testament included. Your version of events is pure fever dream fantasy with no basis in fact!
@@Draezeth the 2nd century is after Jesus came. You’ve completely missed the point of the video. Lol
CIRA International/Al Fadi, I do so love when you say your heart breaks for Muslims. Mine does too. The Joy of knowing Jesus could be theirs!
@@defenderoftruth3212 Codswallop! It was YOUR demon god Al Lah who caused Jesus to be replaced on the cross with a fake Jesus. And then he deceived billions of Christians this past 2000 years? Yahya you haven't read the Gospel yet? You know full well what Jesus himself said- "NO ONE COMES TO GOD EXCEPT THROUGH ME". He said, "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father". 600 years AFTER Jesus, Muhammad comes along and makes up stories that defend HIMSELF, not God. Shame on you. You know better!
Jesus in Greek is Jesus and Hebrew He is Yeshua which means Lord saved. This is not a sentence but a statement of freedom. Christ does not need anyone to be disproved. He is said I am the shamash, the light of the world, the serving light.
Please
After moving the black stone out of Petra it is plausible that it was initially placed half way in between Petra and Mecca. That is likely in view of the ‘in between’ qubla direction. When this location did not work out Zubair moved it further south to what is now Mecca.
According to Dan Gibson, ibn zubair did not leave Petra, but he just had the stone sent away...
Another amazing video guys👍👍😊
All the pieces of the puzzle are now falling in place. 👍❤
"Satan is the father of lies who lies in his native language and was a murderer from the beginning. (John 8:44)
Muhammad and his father Abdullah worshipped Al lah the god of kabaa.
Facts
The Arabs are the children of Ishmael who grew up in Arabia after Hagar and Ishmael were settled in current day Mecca. Abraham would visit them and he taught his son Monotheism. Ishmael taught his children Monotheism, the name of God and other Abrahamic beliefs. Over time, the Arabs slid into paganism and the Kaaba was defiled with idols and other bizarre rituals like walking around naked. Prophet Muhammad started preaching Monotheism to the Arabs of Mecca and they fought hard against him. The first 10 years the Muslims were commanded by Allah to observe non violence and no retaliation. Many early Muslims were killed and others had to emigrate to Abyssinia to get asylum with the Christian King. The Pagan Arabs even followed the Muslims while trying to kill them. After 10 years the famous verses of war were revealed and the Muslims were allowed to retaliate and kill the Pagans wherever they found them. Within 100 years paganism and idolatry had disappeared from the Arabian Peninsula. Islam is the system of the Cube that will bring mankind out of the slavery of the system of the Pyramid (New World Order). It was true in the time of Moses and it will be true tomorrow. ruclips.net/video/IW0FrgSd80k/видео.html
@OM SHANTI - The children of ISHMAEL are called Arabs. They are the children of the First born son of Abraham and Islam is the ISHMAELITE COVENANT. The Muslims inherited the promises given to Abraham and that is why we Muslims ruled Jerusalem for 1000 years.
Muslim came so late after christianity
@@danboroski8998 - The Arabs are the children of Ishmael who grew up in Arabia after Hagar and Ishmael were settled in current day Mecca. Abraham would visit them and he taught his son Monotheism. Ishmael taught his children Monotheism, the name of God and other Abrahamic beliefs. Over time, the Arabs slid into paganism and the Kaaba was defiled with idols and other bizarre rituals like walking around naked. Prophet Muhammad started preaching Monotheism to the Arabs of Mecca and they fought hard against him. The first 10 years the Muslims were commanded by Allah to observe non violence and no retaliation. Many early Muslims were killed and others had to emigrate to Abyssinia to get asylum with the Christian King. The Pagan Arabs even followed the Muslims while trying to kill them. After 10 years the famous verses of war were revealed and the Muslims were allowed to retaliate and kill the Pagans wherever they found them. Within 100 years paganism and idolatry had disappeared from the Arabian Peninsula. Islam is the system of the Cube that will bring mankind out of the slavery of the system of the Pyramid (New World Order). It was true in the time of Moses and it will be true tomorrow. ruclips.net/video/IW0FrgSd80k/видео.html
The holes in the standard narrative of the Qurans are getting bigger
Yeah!!!we need to preach more to these Muslims so that at the end of times we should not be asked by God that you had knowledge and you did not bring people to me...
@@rogath_silayo Amen! Ezekiel 3:18 "When I say to the wicked, 'You will surely die', and you do not warn him or speak out to warn the wicked from his wicked way that he may live, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand."
3:19 "Yet if you have warned the wicked and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered yourself."
These people have no fear of the Living God.
Which holes? Speak!
@@xerke Yasir Qadhi, Muhammad and his puppet Allah know best
@@rogath_silayo there is no god your religion is also human made and full of fairy tales and scientific mistakes
As a Muslim, I find this research fascinating. It hasn't changed my faith, only made me realise the origins of Islam are not straightforward. The truth has been changed in history.
Go to muslim sources for clarification his lying
@@omarkabanda6396😂🤣🤡
Al Fadi, many religious people (as I'm sure you're aware) are genuinely incurious about their faith. I'm related to a LOT of Catholics who are the poster children for ignorance and apathy. What's the difference between ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care.
My very religious Catholic sister told me one time, "I don't have to read the bible, I HAVE faith."
Islam is very much like Catholicism. Both are violence and terror based. Both of them depend on the rank and file NOT doing any real investigation. Both of them are ruled by power hungry despots bent on world domination.
There is always a remnant, however, and I thank you for being the voice of one crying in the wilderness. You are saving souls. Kudos to you!
Shared and loved: Dear Dr. Jay Smith, thank you very much for the clearification, which was told the same by Professor to me to change last name to have better future in 2016 in New Zealand. It opened new doors, changed my personality. I changed my last name from DADAMUKHAMEDOV (GRANDFATHER MUKHAMMAD) to AZIMOV. It impacted my acceptance to the western world with good intention.
Very informative guys. Keep up the good work. 😎
This is how Islam started, Some of the successful tribal leaders started claiming that their appointment was from God, a singular diety stolen from Jewish tradition. The appointment itself stolen from Persian pagan and jewish beliefs. That is why they were so successful in it's initial period, they were not considered outsiders of different religion but one among the people themselves. The Caliphs were not called Caliphs till the mid 8th or 9th century, mohammad did not appear on the scene till mid 7th century. People who have tried to find proof about mohammad have come up with nothing till date.
Allah, Muhammad, Islam are generic terms applicable to anybody. Even Muslim courts have affirmed that.
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@@jakesjakes9901 Thanks but this is main stream and somewhat Muslim conforming narrative. But the archelogical studies are yet to prove mohammad's existence, Islam did not take root or even propogate from Mecca. The earliest socalled Caliphs were not even called Caliphs.Quran itself came from contemprory plagiarism from differrent people and at different times. The earliest versions were destroyed by Muslims themselves bcoz they raised more questions than they answered. In the big picture this makes no difference to the character of Islam but in a focused study it changes everything.
If Jesus and Mohammad are both considered mythical characters, there is 10X more circumstential evidence to Jesus than Mohammad. His is just a story with no corroborating evidence.
For example, try to find one archological evidence to the famous battle of khyber, apart from stories of dubious antecedents, there is none. No contemprory references, no stone epitaphs, or victory mosques or coins Somebody who ruled Arabia for 40 years cannot do it without even a single coin.
Very informative video. Thank you for sharing 🤣
@Mansoor Ahmad it’s not a lie, the truth is slowly seeping out, islam is false plain and simple. Get out of islam, don’t jump in hell with blind eyes. Mohammed is already crying there.
@Mansoor Ahmad Christians worship one God, father son and holy spirt.
Muslims worship three pagan gods. Black stone, Mohammed and allah call (Twhead. Islam can’t fool in 21st century 😆
@Mansoor Ahmad The god of Islam which is Devil keeping you spiritually blind so you don’t get save.
I had same questions when I was a Muslim. Thank God I’m saved by the blood of Jesus ✝️🙏
@Mansoor Ahmad I left 3 Islamic pagan gods. black stone, Mohammed god and allah. and now I’m worshiping one God father son and holey sprit.
And if you don’t understand than asked Christian God he is alive and always answers our prayers. Our God is not like fake allah who never listen because he doesn’t exist. Mohammed is Allah’s fake ID
@Mansoor Ahmad allah’s three daughters Al- Lat, Al -Uzza and Manat 😆
Allah’s two right hands one leg one eye 😆
And MohMad’s satanic verses. Mohammed’s 6 years old baby wife. Shame on you, following the satanic cult of Islam. Un defendable. Thank God I left islam ad no more embarrassment.
"Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place."
- 2 Corinthians 2:14 amen
I read the the folk story tale about "alibaba and the forty thieves" i find it similiar to muhammad and the gang..
@DW Hey there might be a few passages in that that meet the challenge Make a better verse!
I was reading about a DUMB AS who was not afraid of having total strangers he was an IDIOT....
😂😂😂 so true
I have been reading a Qur’an that was published in 1995 by a Ahmadiyyah Anjuma Isha’at Islam in Lahore Pakistani. Could you please tell me if I should continue reading this or recommend another?
Amen Amen and Amen that is true.Hallelujah.
Wonderful message God is great all the time.
Was the kaaba built to replicate the tabernacle?
@Vickneswaran Ramakrishnan Well, it's possible but not necessary. We know that the Kaaba was used to hold a myriad of idols so it does not match the tabernacle. However, it's possible being at Petra that Abraham could have gone there to repair it with Ismael. We will have to see what more archeological finds are coming in the next few years. One question I have about Petra, if it is a mausoleum where's the bones? Or did they practice cremation?
Truth sets free those who were bound in lies...
Alfady
Laila naheme is french Scientist expert in Nabateean archeology . You can get her help regarding petra
🙏👍❤ thanks for the content
Small correction: bagdhad was founded in the 8th century not the 9th century
I wonder if the mosque now known as the "Dome of the Rock" was completed before Mecca was rebuilt. Abd al-Malik is said to have built that mosque in 691 to 692. I presume that after the death of Abd Allah ibn al-Zubayr in late 692, Abd al-Malik decided not to return the black rock to its original location, but to start a long process of making the current location of Mecca suitable for pilgrimages.
The footnote to Mecca is similar to the footprint in Sri Lanka. The symbol is that of the Buddha. The author of the Quran wanted the Muslims to seek refuge in the Buddha again. The thipitakaya words match the some words of the Qur'an. Muslims today do not know that past.
The word Haj is a Hebrew word that means to turn around
Even today they say in modern Hebrew the plane "HAG" (= flying in a circle) over the airport.
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Hebrew is an older language and therefore a source
While the word HAJ itself has no meaning but only an Arabic interpretation, it is a Hebrew word!
I know that Christians are anti-Jewish but what to do, Hebrew is an ancient language along with Sumerian and Akkadian, and the other languages are derived from it (Aramaic, Ugaritic, Phoenician, Arabic and more)
Muslims please come to He who gives streams of living waters Jesus
We pray for them to come the light because they are in darkness.
@@watsembalydia2036 as we all were before Lord saved us!
Lots of analysis and arguments over God and Allah when no one in this world has ever seen any of them!! Neither has anybody seen or come back from "heaven" or " hell" to tell us what lies there. Still we continue to " believe" in these things and fight/ kill each other to prove one's superiority over the other. Isn't it tragic to fight over something we have no first hand experience of? We would be far better off if only we became good decent human beings ourselves and help each other as long as we live on this planet.
I did some quick research on old maps of the 6th and 7th century and I did find Mecca in them. So which is it ? Also, in a 7th Century map I found, there is a mention not of Mecca, but of Macoraba. Could the name Mecca derive from Macoraba ? Any explanation about this ?
It should be noted that Dan Gibson does not agree with Jay, that Mohammad didn't exist. I think a fair description of Dan Gibson's understanding of the history of Islam is that the standard narrative is generally correct with a number of misunderstandings creeping into the modern interpretation. The real Mecca being Petra probably being the largest. If you look on Dan's channel and watch a video he put out recently called "Which Approach to Islam?", he explains his view on the matter thoroughly.
Al Fadi and Jay: Can you help us see any connection of the coins, both pre- and after Islam begins, with the early writings, especially the ones that were carbon dated (in your earlier videos). I am assuming that early Islam would be Nabatean, and verses in the “Meccan” Koran were respectful toward both Jews and Christians. If these Nabatean were referred to (or referred to themselves) as Hagarites, Ishmaelites, and other names, would it make sense to say that they deferred to Jews and Christians because they FULLY UNDERSTOOD that they were not a part of the Abraham and Sarah Covenant with God that became Issac, etc. I think many people think that Ishmael’s birth was valid because he was a son of Abram. However, the story exists because Abram/Sarai had no children/legacy to pass on, so Sarai volunteered Hagar. However, Ishmael was 13 years old when the Covenant was made/names changed to Abraham/Sarah. (Abraham and Sarah were actually 1/2 brother/sister with a common father, which is why the Covenant is actually to THEM, and not to simply Abraham. Ishmael was never a part of it.) So the Nabateans understood their place….but the coins tell the story of the split between Judaism/Christianity and the new religion, Islam. This all makes sense to me…..what do the two of you think?
So everything started on the fertile crescent and with the lakhmids and ghassanid kingdoms not in southarabia
please send me the intro music...for ringtone
There was a 'sacred stone' in Ephesus, dedicated to goddess Diana (Astarte).
Acts 19:35
Very interesting. I identify with Jesus as God and Savior but the history is fascinating.
One thing not mentioned... According to Islamic tradition Muslims first faced towards Jerusalem then later it was changed through revelation to Mecca. I've always wondered why that is. Why God would say to face one way... Then change his mind.
So Mecca could be like a Hollywood set dipticing the the real , authentic , original site of Petra.
If so the Hajj is only a play with the pilgrims as unwitting set actors.
Islam is then a grand play and nothing sacred about it since it is all a show.
No, ibn zubair did not take the black stone with him. He stayed in Petra and died there according to DG (i think that is consensus).
What happened to Petra now?
Where does the EARTHQUAKE, in Petra, fit into the timeline please?
In this episode, we here of the destruction of Petra, because of a rebellion.
Was there, in addition, a natural destruction pls?
Tky v much
Can somebody tell me if mecca is the golden ratio point of the earth? Maybe there is a qlue?
Can someone please give the source of the history when Ibn Zubayr rebelled & took the blackstone to south? I want to complete my mindmap with this information.
Thank you 🙏🙏
You can look at Dan Gibsons RUclips channel. There is a whole series about his views. I think the reference about ibn zubair is from Tabari. Of course the fact that he had the stone taken to the south is only the theory of Dan Gibson. Best start would be his movie "sacred city"
The abbasids were not around at the time of ibn zubair i think. They established their power in 750
Amazing and fascinating research! I wonder if you've seen any of Prof Walter Vieth's lectures regarding the connection between Catholicism and Islam? The similarities are amazing too.
Mind blowing
Jerusalem city of great King Lord Jesus that will be midt important city!
( وَإِنَّ لُوطًا لَّمِنَ الْمُرْسَلِينَ (133) إِذْ نَجَّيْنَاهُ وَأَهْلَهُ أَجْمَعِينَ (134) إِلَّا عَجُوزًا فِي الْغَابِرِينَ (135) ثُمَّ دَمَّرْنَا الْآخَرِينَ (136) وَإِنَّكُمْ لَتَمُرُّونَ عَلَيْهِم مُّصْبِحِينَ (137) وَبِاللَّيْلِ ۗ أَفَلَا تَعْقِلُونَ (138) )●
=>مكان إقامة قوم محمد في الاية اعلاه بجوار مساكن قوم لوط حيث انو المسافة قريبة جدا الى درجة أنهم يمرون عليهم مصبحين و في المساء ايضا... يعني في ام القرى ( البتراء) ....و البتراء تبعد فعلا عن مساكن قوم لوط مسافة قصيرة جدا
Hello Sir, is Salman Farsi a myth?
We must love Muslims n pray for them.
The funny thing is all the Muslims who have made pilgrimages to Mecca have gone to the wrong place! All that time & money wasted.
Moses went to Mecca too - ruclips.net/video/ZlhS5sGinJQ/видео.html
@@dfwtransport2420 Maybe, who knows? People walked all over the place for thousands of years. On the other hand, I think there is evidence that the Black Stone was moved from Petra to Mecca.
@@dfwtransport2420 surely not. Mecca is located too much south neither did Abraham...
@@dfwtransport2420 Oh Ya and you believe this nonsense? The Bible did not record it and no other historical books - even of Egypt record it ... only what I slam says without historical evidence. There was no historical evidence that Moses went there. There is no historical evidence that Mecca even existed. Show me one piece of pottery, or stone, or coin that Mecca existed during the time of Moses, dud. He love to believe lies.
If you want to believe those two nitwits it's up to you, if you don't check their claims out it's up to you, it's your grave anyway, haha
Iyas bin Qabisa Al-Taei
He is the king of Mandari (Lakhmiads) Iyas bin Qabisah Al-Ta’i (Elia / Aliya), nicknamed (Al-Muhammad), the conqueror of the Romans and the Persians and the founder of the Islamic religion on the monotheistic Christian Nestorian Judaism of the Ebionites to fight the Trinitarian Christianity, the religion of the Roman Byzantine state - the plot to overthrow and assassinate him by the military commander and Ruler (Merv) in Persia Muawiyah bin Abi Sufyan (Mawiyah / Nectas bin Shahr Baraz) from Armenia and liquidation of his family and the seizure of power over the state by the monotheistic Christian Umayyads - the takeover of Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan (Abd al-Malik from Meru), founder of the Islamic state On the rule of the Umayyads and the crystallization of the monotheistic Jewish-Christian religion of Islam and its official establishment - Putting down the revolution of Abdullah bin Al-Zubayr (Abdullah from Al-Zabeel)
Al-Hajjaj bin Yusuf Al-Thaqafi is a destroyer
The Kaaba of Petra in Jordan and the first forger of Islam and the Qur’an - the rule of the Abbasids, the Asian Mongols, and their transfer to the Qiblah of Muslims and the place of pilgrimage from Petra to the Kaaba of Mecca, the current Hijaz, and their completion of the forgery of Islam at the hands of the biography writers, all of them from Persia and Khorasan (Bukhari, Tirmidhi, Al-Nisaburi Or An-Nasa’i, Ibn Muslim) to establish the pillars of political rule and to resolve the struggle for power in the Islamic state.
@Joe Carbone you are one of those westerners that Dr. Y. Quidi said has advanced over those previous ones with no red line to stop your advancement. I would say gained knowledge by the bucket full sticking those containers under those pesky holes in the standard narrative. :-)
Nailed it 👍
@@gilbertjones9157 I can only speak from a historical context. Sadly for some religious scholars with a doctorate in Islamic Studies would be no different getting a doctorate in Greek Mythology and believing its real while being unaware of themselves as scholars of historical fabrication bestowed upon them by lords of greed and power. The unspoken truth is the Abrahamic religion along where Zoroastrian, and whatever middle Eastern and central Asian religions in the 7th century into the 8th and 9th century were highjacked to form an as an offshoot religion disguised as a rooted Abrahamic religion with its sole purpose to gain legitimacy by delegitimizing the authenticity of Christianity and Judaism, and all non adherents believers, and yet assumes itself in a narcissistic nature of superiority and supremacy over the inhabitants in order to govern, rule, canonize laws by a book from God through a messenger, but in reality was meant to expand territory to gain riches and power its rulers wanted. What really gave rise to the inception of early Islam is the lack of separation of state and religion. This was originally created when Christianity and Philosophy was adopted by “Roman Empire”. When we look at the early inception of Christianity and its struggle to become the official religion of the Roman Empire and how it became the protector of the Trinitarian dogma by giving the emperor a vested power of the church, this gave the emperor the power to stumble all the opposing of non Trinitarian Christian parties indiscriminately. Those who opposed, were the creators of early Islam. Unfortunately those who never accepted the Trinitarian philosophy were driven out towards the opposing Roman might, the Persians, this led them to re-establish themselves as a fighting force against the Roman Empire and sought a major opportunity to rise when Persian empire was defeated by the Roman/Byzantines. The creation of early Islam (known as a Non Trinitarian Christianity and Talmudic Judaism sect) did exactly and as when Roman state shared power with the Church, therefore uniting their religion and state as one, resulted in a successful conquests of Roman controlled territory by these early Muslims . Later on this gain of power and territory gave rise to factional power grab among the early Muslims. The winner were the Abbasids who also had re-wrote history to legitimize themselves as Gods power on earth and created Modern Islam to rival the Roman version of Christianity. Simply put, if all the believers of Christ just listened to what he said “give Cesar what is to Cesar and what is to God to God” we would not be in these religious debacles. Hopefully 🙏 one day the modern world would find peace by at least listening to the key messages from our Holy Lord Jesus Christ, and re-examine history with an open mind.
Gibson took out the Guangzhou mosque from his list
Sweet a double header today. Just finished putting out replies to your Quidi Remembrance Anniversary [we need a solid name to use for this June 8th commemoration]. I was 417 in that thread. Now 36 here. I need to eat my dinner first. I'll come back to comment and reply later after eating while watching the video.
Do you know what is the source of Ibn Zubayr rebelled & take the black stone to south?
I need it for my mindmap
Ia there any document about war between Ummayad vs Abbasid, may be we can get more evidence about the real beginning of Islam
An intelligent enemy is better than a stupid friend. Pretend you are dead and you will see who really loves you. It is better to refuse than to accept and not go. A house cannot be repaired when the owner is destroying it. When you change kings you change customs. CHRISTIANS SAYS JESUS IS A MESSENGER, MUSLIMS SAY MOHAMED IS THE MESSENGER. THE QUESTION IS DID YOU GET THE MESSAGE...?
Very informative.
According to Dan Gibson, the umayyads (i think abdel Malek) not the abbasids erected the new kaaba...
Is Petra and Peter the same?
Who believe that Jesus is the way the truth and life John 14:6🤚.
While the holes are clearly there for all to see, I think there is a danger of talking with too much certainty about what fills those holes - I have watched Dan Gibson's documentary and it is just assumption on his part how the black stone ended up in Mecca. Unless there is new material to come for this, it feels a bit like trying to make things fit without necessarily having reason in evidence to do so.
If in the pre retirement age, Muhamad returns to Petra ( City of Temples & Tombs ); is there a possibility that the grave of Muhammad could be still in Petra? Is there any one single inconspicuous grave that is significant in Petra? May the blessing of Dushara Al Uzza Wa Al Lat be with you as always, for the kind of awareness you are inspiring amongst the ignorant, infidels and the arrogant.
So if petra is mecca them where is the original yatrib
in Iraq, per Mel videos
Check out Dan Gibsons channel. He says that the location of yatrib/Medina is accurate. No rewriting of history needed here...
@@hans471 Gibson makes the mistake of assuming the hadiths are true.
@@truthseeker9163 well, the theories of Mel are more far fetched than the traditional Islamic narrative...
@@hans471 Muslim scholars know that the Standard Islamic Narrative is gibberish.
Im anticipating a validation for the claim that muhammad was christian. Unfortunately this video and next dont continue from the last😢
if ibn kabisa/muhammad was christian, pls explain again what was he doing in petra in relation to being a Christian? This is getting confusing...
History
Is izlm enemy
It debunks their claims
And brings them shames
Al Fadi and Jay
To Jesus we all pray
That He gives you wisdom
Bring mzlm back to His kingdom
Believe it or not! The location of Mecca is very significant and critically important to prove that the god of Islam is the prince of the bottomless pit. The cave (Hira), on top of Jabel Al Noor, through which Mohammed received revelation is precisely 666 nautical miles from the Holy of Holies of the Jewish Temple at Jerusalem. Moreover these two locations and point in Garden of Eden where Eve got deceived is 666 nautical miles and the tree locations together form an equilateral triangle. The top part of Jabel Al Noor is the cap of the bottomless pit.
Mecca is significant for two billion Muslims around the globe. All paths of truth lead to Mecca which is the centre of the earth.
Neuroscientist found that decision making, especially things like who to vote for, what to by, which religion to embrace, are all made with high reliance upon the emotive sphere of the mind - which is why people don’t change political parties despite a stack of facts suggesting that they are wrong. People aren’t going to leave their religion very easily even if you stack up a ton of evidence suggesting its wrong.
Thank God for Dr. Jay and Al Fadi. I wonder what mojab is doing now??? Hmmmmm is he hiding?
Where's Waldo 😂😂😂😂😂 early qibla version
Praise be to Jesus Christ
safah &mawah in persia as kabah
Jesus never claimed that he is God or Worship me, Infact in the bible there are lot of verses direct words from jesus , That "my father is greater then I" " i go to my Father and your Father , My god and your God" , Jesus prays in the garden of Gethsemane " Abba, Father, for you all things are possible; remove this cup from me; yet, not what I want, but what you want" so in the bible there is no such thing called "Trinity" at all, if you think jesus is God then why He always Pray to Father ? "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me" does Jesus sound like a God ? Not at all, Please read your Bible Jesus never claimed to be God or Worship me.
Interesting that in Revelation Israel in last days seek protection in Petra !
Why don't you publish your programs in Arabic that Arabs can understand?
The Arabs would laugh so hard it might kill too many people.
Al-Fadi has his Arabic channels, dud, if you yourself understand Arabic. Are you too lazy to find it? But for us, we understand American English ... and appreciate all the facts they have researched, gathered and are presenting.
@@zoeashes6347 woow, I don't know why you couldn't just say he has an arabic chanel too. I didn't ask the question with a bad intention. Anyway, I don't speak arabic that well, I prefer to listen to his programs in english and I think it's very great what he does.
@@dfwtransport2420 So, let's keep in that way, in order to prevent all those death because of laughs
@@dangiyaran2362 Sorry then. There are many Abdool spammers who are in Christian in the comments just to insult unfortunately. It may be better to ask is there one in Arabic.
I'm amazedthatthetruth isexposedbyyou two
You could do with a better write up on this, this simply doesn't cover the info
"Mecca is regarded as the historical center of Islam and its traditions, yet Mecca is only a shadow of the great northern city of Petra which was the religious center in the ancient world. Likewise, the Islamic pilgrimage was also simply a copy of Petra’s religious practices while the Qur’anic Arabic also proves to originate in Petra. These facts again point to the many discrepancies of the Islamic traditions which are based much too far south than the historical data allows. Watch as Al Fadi and Dr. Jay discuss the historical significance of Petra and the historical insignificance of Mecca."
Je suis chrétien et convaincu par le fait que l'islam ne vient pas de la "Mecque", je suis disponible pour qu'on m'explique les contre arguments
I am getting ads for Muslim charities that I have never heard of on this video, I tells you something about who Google is watching these vidoes :)
Both you and Al Fadi seem to have many controversial take on things Islam and Muhammad. To show that both of you are honest academics and intellectuals please be brave enough to have all your valuable findings in book form published by reputable firms. This is to ensure that your wisdom can be accessed by the whole world. Thank you.
Hagar was in the wilderness of Beersheba. Genesis 21. LORD provided water for the boy there. Petra is still very far from Beersheba.
Horrible intro music ..please consider changing
go and debate Rabbi singer
did you see his videos about the christians
Your information is always the right information that make me laugh
Your slides your Storys 😂
The maps that Jay shows at 18:07 are not what he says they are. Al Fadi, please hold Jay to account on these things.
The first map Jay shows, labeled as "TABVLA ASIAE VI", was created by Sebastian Munster and based on the work of Claudius Ptolemy. The map was part of the 1540 publication, 'Geographia Universalis'. You can search for "swaen munster1540" and find photographs of its maps. This is #22. So, not 6/7th century.
The second and third maps Jay shows, labeled as "ARABIAE Veteris", are actually the same map but cropped differently. This map was created by Christoph Weigel in 1720 with the city names also coming from Ptolemy. So again, not 6/7th century.
The fourth map, labeled as "The KINGDOMS of ARMENIA, PONTUS, CAPPADOCIA, MEDIA &c.", was created by Isaac Bazire in the mid 1700s. The source for his cities also seems to be Ptolemy, but regardless, not 6/7th century.
If Jay wants to argue that Claudius Ptolemy was unaware of any city named Mecca in the 2nd century when he recorded this information then fine, but these maps add nothing to his argument and in fact take away from it when people understand that these maps were not created when he said they were. I don't care if it was Jay or Patricia Crone that dug up these maps, they're not from the 6th or 7th centuries. Unless someone can give an answer to this information I've presented, please stop spreading these maps!
Have you read Patricia Crone’s book on this? Does she use the right historical maps in her writing?
@@rowanparchi5199 I have not read her book. But if she used these maps, the answer would be no. If she used others, they would have to be evaluated on their own merit.
Exactly the Same with the "Hebreux" and Christians !
Not so far from muslim Tradition, Muslims when they heard the voice from their mosqe.. They should have, go mosqe and pray.. Or even home, or even where they are standing
Daniel 3
4 The herald shouted, “You people of all nations, races, and languages, 5 when you hear the sound of the horn, flute, harp, harp, and other instruments, kneel down and worship the golden statue that King Nebuchadnezzar had erected. 6 Anyone who does not worship will be immediately thrown into a burning fiery furnace. ” 7 So when they heard the sound of the instruments, they knelt down and worshiped the image
ruclips.net/video/ZlhS5sGinJQ/видео.html
Debate: Dr. Zakir Naik vs. Dr William Campbell - The Quran and the Bible in the Light of Science @ check ✔ the debate your self don't be a sheep and just follow be a wolf and youse your mind . Make your one discovery to the truth . May Allah/God help you
Can't read the Quran man. Need to circumsize before learning Islam
For by his own body Jesus Christ saved all flesh [and restored it to life], so that he might show forth the temple of righteousness in his body, in whom [or whereby] we are saved [, in whom if we believe we are set free].
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And as for that which they say, that there is no resurrection of the flesh, they indeed shall have no resurrection [to life, but to judgment] because they do not believe in him that is risen from the dead, [not believing nor understanding]. For they do not know, O Corinthians, the seeds of wheat or of other seeds, how they are cast bare into the earth and are corrupted and rise again by the will of God with bodies and clothed. And not only that [body] which is cast in rises again, but many times more blessing itself.
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How much more, [oh you of little faith], shall he raise you that have believed in Christ Jesus, just as he himself arose. In the same way, a dead man also was cast upon the bones of the prophet Elisha by the children of Israel, and he arose, both body and soul and bones and spirit [or arose in his body]. How much more shall you who have been cast upon the body and bones and spirit of the Lord [or How much more, oh you of little faith, shall you which have been cast on him] rise again in that day having your flesh whole, [just as he rose]?
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If, then, you receive any other doctrine, [God shall be a witness against you]. Let no man trouble me, for I bear these bonds that I may win Christ. I therefore bear his marks in my body so that I may attain to the resurrection of the dead. Whoever receives [or abides in] the rule which he has received by the blessed prophets and the holy Gospel shall receive a reward from the Lord, [and when he rises from the dead shall obtain eternal life]. But whoever transgresses these things, with him is the fire, and with those that walk in the same way, which are a generation of vipers [or who are men without God], whom you must reject in the power of the Lord, and peace, [grace, and love] shall be with you.