Collecting for Bonsai: MONSTER American Persimmon 2017!!!
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UPDATE: This persimmon didn't make it through the 2017 summer season. I hope this video shows that collecting trees can be more than just a few shovel cuts here and pruning snips there. It can be extremely challenging, but the payoff can be wonderfully rewarding. But, when all that work and care isn't enough, when something you've taken from the woods died in your care, it can be very hard to take. Check the 6 minute mark of this update. • Bonsai: Collected Mate...
This has to be the hardest and most frustrating tree I'd ever collected. It was a beautiful American persimmon tree (Diospyros virginiana) that had been damaged when an old ash came crashing down upon it years ago. I found it while walking in my woods. Little did I realize the endurance it would take to get it out of the ground and into the pot. Even though it leafed out and showed great promise, it didn't make it. Keep your eyes open for the update video in the future.
Persimmon trees, with few exceptions, produce some of the most stunning displays of fruit in the bonsai realm. They can linger for months after the leaves have dropped, with a variety of colors and shapes depending on the parent trees. Parent trees, you ask? Yes. Persimmon trees are divided into sexes, with only female trees bearing fruit. I do not know what sex this particular tree was.
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This tree died. You can see full details about it in the Fall Update 2017. Right about the 6 minute mark.
I woulda been shocked if it lived.
193/5000
It's sad to know that. I love your videos, love the way you collect and take care of bonsai. You are the one who inspired me to play bonsai. From Vietnam with love!
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Appalachian Bonsai fall update 2017
I love gardening, i love to make bonsai and i am learning about it more and more each day since i was 9years old.. now m 22.. u are fantastic and thank you for your contribution to my knowledge of bonsai. Hope i would learn more from you. All the best.
Number plz
I love that you said "you really start to question if this was a good idea... then you keep going" thats a great motto to live life by lol
Great video, well presented and I love the subtle humour "fist shake at your dog cutting into the scene" and your explanation as you go is great.
Entertaining for sure....I could actually feel the frustration during the removal of that tree.
"It's not always easy". It's literally never easy, it takes months to see if what you did had any effect, decades to complete a project. I've raised children with less effort than tending three bonsai trees.
Now this is a Persimmon of substance, love the bark and you have the makings of a stunning tree and as its an old tree, flowering and fruiting should be quick. Look forward to the updates.
Thank you, Mr. Kahn! We have several trees on the property, but all of them are so large, I didn't think I'd find anything suitable until I happened upon this. Even still, we shall see if it bears fruit or flowers only. They're so pretty - until they're ugly, then they're tasty! I'd be happy to send you seeds from some of the others, as they're bound to bear fruit sooner than this. Not sure how customs views seeds, but if no issue, I'll forward them on! Cheers
Thanks you for getting back.
I have been pursuing bonsai in my mind for years. I am about to take the plunge and try starting a tree. I have been growing an evergreen in my yard for a few years and looks to be my first project. Thank you for all of the knowledge you share in these videos.
Peace&Love!
I had a difficult experience collecting a few weeks ago in Utah USA. I really enjoy your work. Thanks for showing the frustrating side of our passion.
It's not easy to show weakness, and I almost didn't show it, but as I commented just a second ago, this happens to all of us at some point. I don't think it would be fair to say that it's all fun & games & easy, because it most certainly isn't. Hope you were able to get some good ones despite the difficulties. I was in Utah around two years ago for business, but in awe of the mountains and trees and the like. Sorta jealous you got to dig & I didn't!
+Appalachian Bonsai Yes, thanks for keeping it real, showing the good and bad aspects
Also, it's nice to see that I might not be the only person that hunts for deer and new bonsai trees at the same time. :)
YESSS!!
Hunting sheds and bonsai material is even better!
Great story, editing and humour :-) I loved the fact that you showed an update after the tree recovered ! Cheers 🍻
Definitely, Vinny! I'm still looking forward to seeing your documentary on pot design.
I have watched many videos of Bonsai propagation: these are far and away the best presented. No frills: no "fat": all lean! Intelligent, straightforward and easy to follow - unlike some of the self-indulgent nonsense on some sites! The narrative and the filming have the most important thing: clarity and a good store of knowledge. Very well done!
I love gardening and have a little knowledge about the bonsai. Love the way you collect plants from the nature.
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Thanks for your videos, I started collecting trees from my property to begin learning Bonsai, it has always interested me, and videos like yours really help
Take care
Rob
Excellent to see you're giving it a shot. I wish you the very best of luck, and I hope that the videos continue to help and inspire!
Don't fucking do that, if you love nature go and get new ones and work on that
Thats what Bonsai is all about man! Gettin dirty and working hard sometimes.. I know EXACTLY the feeling when it looks easy but it's hours of work gettin' that sweet yamadori... Some swedish steel (Husqvarna) and some american powerwill made it!
Whew! Happy it's in the pot, and love my Husqi stuff!
I just received my first bonsai for my birthday. I wanted to do it right, so I binged watched RUclips videos for a couple of days. I came across this one by accident. Not only is Appalachia my favorite place on Earth, I loved your dedication to living art. This video was an inspiration, though I won't be going into the woods and digging out stumps ;-), but I'm somewhat sadistically happy that you are. Thanks.
Great video! Love the humor! One of the most entertaining bonsai videos I've seen yet! Looking forward to seeing updates!
Love that video. Reminds me of collecting with a friend in Korea. Sorry to hear it didn't make it.
You've inspired me! I live on the edge of a MO Ozark mountain and there are all kinds of possibilities I've realized...right here in my own back yard! Thanks!
I love this video. It's got met excited to collect some material of my own. I really appreciate the story behind these trees too. I can't wait to see what you do with them in a couple of years when you repot and / or wire some of them.
I've been watching your videos for a while. Great job. I'm exhausted from the work and frustration that went into collecting this tree. Really can't wait to see what you have planned for your new haul
I've only two more collection videos for this year - a hawthorn and a white pine. There will probably be a few other videos spread in between; I'll be describing soil mixtures, collection ethics, bonsai failures, and a few others. Thank you for continuing to support the channel, Delores!
I’m surprised that was enough root for survival, glad it worked.
Hard work my friend, but definitly worth!
Yes, indeed my friend!! It's still not a guarantee to survive, but it's got a good a chance as any. If I make it through autumn, I'll feel great!
Good lucky bro.
You've inspired me to look for a similar tree. What a great job.
Just found your page. Love this. I thank you for your time in posting such videos.
"This tree's not out of the woods yet".. I see what you did there
fun episode^^
Thanks, Tribute!
This feels so antithetical to the practice of bonsai cultivation... I could feel your impatience and frustration, and I wouldn't be surprised if the tree could too. I haven't seen your more recent videos, but I wish you well on your process.
I searched for Bonsai and found your channel, so interesting, I can see why that guy in Scotland gets tired watching you lol
Thanks for sharing
all the best
Steve
thanks for the video
Thank you for watching!
and this is why i chose tiny trees to collect... not enough tool and im weak ahah
Tiny trees are still beautiful trees, and weak trees can become strong. You got this, Haley!
Thanks, you have some nice collected trees I can't wait to see how you transform them into bonsai
I enjoyed watching you dig out that tree. That was an old established tree and knew it would be hard to excavate. I smiled at the hard work you put into the chore. I would have given up but you stuck to it. Good for you!
I probably should have given up & let it be. Lesson learned. Thanks for watching!
Oh good lord, i understand the work you've been trough with this one! Digging something like that is a hell of a job, i hope all the work will pay off in a few years! Keep up!
Well I can't be entirely agree with Yamadori. And I say "entirely", because I collected a couple of trees my self, but they where (two Mimosa trees), from a really small hole between to cobblestones in the city, so they weren't gonna live too much there. And another one from directly bellow important electricity lines, where they don't let the trees get big because of security, so they couldn't get too old neither.
But from the nature, I don't think I agree to take a tree from there. I respect what you do, but I think there are a bunch other ways to get a bonsai. And they are totally fun too.
I can agree with you there. In many ways, collecting is a bad idea, especially when it exploits rare and important species. I know that the theft of olive trees has been a major problem, and therefore illegal in many countries. I don't think they were all heading for bonsai places, but it doesn't matter, it's wrong. The trees I've collected are very common and often considered 'trash' species. But, does that make it right? Not necessarily. I've been collecting ideas for a video, and it's become so large that it will become a small series of videos discussing the ethics of collecting trees.
As far as urban collecting, I'm all for it, as long as permissions are obtained. Trees in the city and sidewalks have very few chances to live long, whereas if they're cared for, as they are in bonsai, they'll outlive us. I value your input, and I hope you stick around for the videos, my friend! Thanks!
Of course I 'll stick around. I like your videos. I love your small Juniper, the one you use to make the video "How to Winterize Your Bonsai". Couldn't get the type of Juniper is though.
About Yamadori, my concern is that there are some people that just don't have that limit to think about protected species, or inappropriate environments for trees to live.
I can't wait to see that series of videos about collecting trees. I'll be there taking part of the discussion ;).
Thanks to you for your work!
Well said!
I love Yamadori, have absolutely no problem with it.
I don't see a problem as long as he plants another tree at its place.
Hanks for this! I've been wanting to create my own bonsai for YEARS and never quite been successful. I'm learning so much from watching so thanks!
You're very welcome! You can try this on material bought at a local nursery or collect one from your yard. I wish you success this spring!
Really great video you sure persevered to finally get it out but it's rewarding to see growth beginning so soon
No yamadori please
I have several videos coming up that aren't about yamadori, but there are still two more to show this year, probably late summer/early fall.
Way more yamadori please
Yamadori = Tree killer
Yamadori are collected with the intent to keep the tree alive, not to destroy it. A collected tree has as much chance of living as a seedling does if taken care of properly. Do you consider a person who collects a seed from the tree a thief? If they plant that seed,and it dies, is that person also a tree killer? My house is made of dead trees. The bridge I cross to get to my house is made of dead trees, as is the paper I write on to pay the bills for it. We are all tree killers, you & I both. Mankind wouldn't be very far without them. If you don't believe that, go live under a rock and stop eating.
Pfft, tree killer my ass. There is a great bonsai saying "if you aren't killing trees, you aren't doing bonsai". And it's absolutely true. You have to kill some to get the special ones.
I agree that bonsai artists kill loads of trees (I have), but we (or at least I) live in a place where red maples and hornbeams and eastern white pines are plentiful with little chance of extinction in the near future. However, it's illegal in many countries (especially the mediterranean where I think @stampuhhSC is from) because tree theft is a major problem. 2500-year-old olive trees planted by the Romans are being dug up to sell to rich clients. That's cultural heritage - and that sucks! Most of these guys don't even know how to keep it alive, and therefore, 'Yamadori = Tree killer." I get it. If someone were to get onto my land and steal my ginseng and my lady slippers, they'd be leaving with a few holes in their clothes and some salt in their legs. It's a damned shame that some people exploit their surroundings for quick cash and trophies, as it ruins it for those with good intentions. I believe I was on a hot-streak when the initial comment was made, and for that I'm at fault for my rudeness. But, I'm still up for tree collecting. I just think there's a reasonable balance that needs to be found. I've an ethics video series that should 'hopefully be started by the end of July that can start a further discussion on it. Keep tabbed, John. I want to hear your side, too. That's what this is for!
Yeah that is reprehensible when people steal trees and especially important trees. Or when some meth head burns down an ancient, priceless and beautiful tree it is devastating. Methusale got burned down. The US Forest Service keeps location of special trees secret (like 5000 year old Bristlecone pines in California or wherever they are I forget at moment). I always plant a young sapling or two in the area of where I take a Yamadori.
Don't like killing trees? Try wiping off our ass with plastic bags.
The work was spectacular, beautiful, sometimes it does not go as we want, I say it because I know you did not want to cut that part of the trunk, but good although you can not do bonsai waterfall or other forms, it is an exotic beauty, I loved the video, it was worth the effort, you gave a new life to the tree, to see it sprout left behind any frustration, I am very happy to have seen its new shoots. A hug from Paraguay.
I had forgotten about this video. Is I almost a quintessential field dug video showing what really happens. I love the the Appalachian woods and look forward to getting back in them after a little knee surgery. Until them, I am living vicariously through your videos. Thanks so much, Steve
Heal up, man!
Hi, I'm from Brazil and started to make my trees, I already have two, your work is fantastic.
Nice video! Congratulation, life is not always expensive tools and pot and super detailed cameras. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and your genuine bonsai passion!
Vielen Dank für das tolle Video....sehr aufwendig aber es hat sich gelohnt 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you so much for posting this video. I love bonsai, but I don't know who would take care of them after I'm gone.
Impressive work. Glad I came across your RUclips channel! Have a blessed day.
I've literally been waiting for this one, nice!
Thanks for sticking around KB!
So jealous of your beautiful property! Collecting is the most fun part of bonsai for me. Too bad this one died...been there (many times) done that. In fact I have a video of just one of my prized trees burning in my fire pit. But enough about me. YOU, my friend, are inspiring...love your explanations about how the sugars feed the branches and help grow the roots...oh, yeah, it died. Oh well, you're a youngster and have so much time left to grow more stuff! I used to live in Virginia before retiring to Florida. I miss the rolling hills...your place looks great. Thanks for the work you do!
First time watching your video and enjoyed it very much. Very informative. Will definitely watch again and subscribe. Thank you.
Penticton BC Canada here. Love your channel. Wished I would have found this sooner. Keep up the great work!
Thanks!
I laughed so hard. That tree gave you a hard time. All the best. i hope its come good. Thanks for your lovely storytelling. im subbed
it was really good video and it shows the hard work for a heavy , difficult yamadori . Keep on the good work and keep your eyes open for the next good one
great video..when some thing starts to become a little stress full and you start to question to stop or continue, in the end of completing the task I like to yell at it "I WIN YEAH I WIN" makes me feel better. haha
Haha!! I won for the day, that's for sure. It's still struggling, so we'll see who get's last laugh, or last tear... Oh no!!! Thanks Juan!
Love your video. I've got some Japanese White pine started from seed. Their almost two inches high now. I've been working with bonsai for twenty years now. Keep up the good work.
This is one of my favorite videos. I wish I could do what you do.
Guess I'll have to take a gander at my own backyard in MN before.
yeah! Take a look and think about next spring! Loads of good trees up there.
Perfect summary of bonsai. Patience, dedication and sometimes frustration.
All three in one shot!
The persimmon reminds me of my jasmine. The 30 year old jasmine was part of a jasmine hedge around the back of a house I bought in North Palm Beach, FL. It took two years of pruning beforehand and 2 days of root cutting to wrest it from the hedge. After five years training in upright, root over rock I was pleased with it. I moved to Washington DC and gave the tree to a gardener in St Augustine FL who had admired it.
That's a great story!
Love your videos and I can't wait for the next bonsai you're going to tackle.
Excellent! Next video should be from my Tampa trip to Artisans Bonsai, but another collection shouldn't be far behind. I've another hawthorn and a pine to show. Oh, editing... why do you take so much time!!
This is frigging hysterical... and brilliant. Wonderful.
Parabéns 👏 um grande trabalho, força de vontade e muita dedicação. Não devemos desistir. Você teve um grande resultado.
Wow, that was a lot of work and frustrations. I'm glad that the tree didn't die :)
i have a new fav bonsai channel. very cool. nothing beats some hard working and awesome bonsai collecting
Hard work and dedication! Gotta love it
You deserve a new subscriber for all that hard work. very much appreciated...
I'm going to start my hunt because I now have an appreciation for downed trees thanks to you.
Just make sure you wait until spring to dig. Good luck!
What a super video. Anxious to see the outcome in future years. Thanks for capturing the agony for us.
No worries, Steve! I'll let everyone know as the months and years go by.
Thank you for sharing your experience with this tree. After all the effort, the fact that it dies after just make me sad. But I guess it is what life is all about, let things go, isn’t it? Good luck next time!
That was very helpful as I am a new comer to the hobby ,I need all the advice I can get ,I did try 25 years ago but there was not much information in them days as there is now ,thanks again for sharing your knowledge ..
Hi.. I really appreciate the effort you made on collecting that tree..As a beginner i really understand how these beautiful Bonsai trees are crated with lots of effort..Great work..Looking forward to see the tree in future...
Thanks, Shanara! More to happen soon!
It's really good effort to bring almost dead trees into life. Appreciated.
I gave up on my first persimmon collection this spring at around the 2 min mark for you haha so glad I didn't continue down that rabbit hole without the proper equipment
I probably should have quit day 1. Better luck to us both next time around!
Great video, very informative. So funny at 6:45 when "spot" cuts in front of the camera and you get mad!!!
The little punk... That's Taboo. She and her sister Ace own this place. You raise them from pups, give them all the love and attention, pay their bills, and let them run free, and look how they repay you. Pffft! Dogs!
Hey, I thought she was adorable. Heck, you're already collecting bonsai with a chainsaw, an ATV, in the Appalachian mountains, off your rural mountain property -- having your cattle dog stroll through the picture is just icing on the cake. And, yes, I noticed them patiently, OHH SO PATIENTLY sitting in the background while you were trying to dig out the persimmon, day after day..... :D
Bad days happen, your hard work and persistence paid off
very inspiring to get that huge bonsai in days. Perfect fit !
Ahhh ok it was worth it !!!’
seeing the new growth and most I enjoyed seeing the 🐕 walking in front of the camera
I haven't finished the video, just saw your comment about the tree dying. You deserve a like and my subscription, just for your dedication, hard work and passion. Truly enjoyable video 👍🏻
Love it!
You have a lot of patience, dedication and love for what you are doing...I will subscribe..definitely!
Thanks, Annie! Hope to see more of your comments in future videos!
Congratulations on the video, I watched for the first time and found it fantastic. I think the stonework a unique technique for art practitioners, I will continue watching your videos, hugs, Vitor de Porto Alegre - RS - Brazil.
I'm just getting started in bonsai. I love it so far. I have lots to learn but I'm excited. Thanks for this video. It was helpful.
You're welcome, Broseph!
awesome work boss! You made it such a fun video. Loved it!! :)
Thanks bimal!
Had an interest in cultivating natives for awhile, glad to be here. Subbed
Excellent. I love natives - I don't really have any big issues with them. And they over-winter really really well
Your dedication is admirable! Keep on doing what your doing. Gob bless.
Thanks, gary b!!
Love this!
I've got an Elm on our lot that's at the corner of an out building and every time I think about what a beautiful Bonsai it could be my brain thinks about how hard it's going to be to get it out. The stump is about 5" wide and about as high and it's lush with new growth. The people that take care of the yardwork (we rent) cut it back every year. I'm seriously thinking about digging out as much as I can then pulling it out with a come-along since it's right up against a cinderblock wall.
Wait until next spring, since now isn't a very good time for collecting. But, if it's going to waste and you're still around then, give it a try. If you lose it, there's isn't much loss other than some hard work and pride. Happens to us all from time to time. If you're new to bonsai, then I'll suggest this: While you're waiting until spring, read up some more on bonsai, catch a few more vids, especially the next few I do, since they concern collecting ethics and soil. I think it's important. Learn as much as you can. If you're already feeling pretty seasoned with caring for bonsai, then go for it. Great luck!
Yep. Every year I forget to do it. So far I've killed everything I've collected, though I've had a Ficus b. that's 30y old now and cuttings from it (if you can fall a ficus a Bonsai), plus a Crimson Queen Maple I'm training.
I think ficus are absolutely good for bonsai. I've seen several amazing ones. Maples are also a sweet choice. There's another video I need to do that discuss what to do after collection, because I only briefly mention what else needs to happen and why. I'll try to get that by September or before.
AWESOME JOB!!!! I'm soooooo inspired by your video to grow my grandchildren....Bonsai trees. :0)
A great video.It's nice to some one else dealing with a simple project that ends up being the type that I normally end up with.Looking foreward to a beautiful tree.
Thanks AB!
I've recently taken up bonsai, though I've been itching to get into it for years. Nice harvesting video. That said, the moment you put the chainsaw to the ground I cringed. I knew full well where that blade was heading, to Dull Town.
You got my subscription. Love Bonsai. Thank you for your videos.
Really enjoyed this video, thank you, I’m currently attempting to pot up a 20yr old hawthorn that my brother brought home from work while doing a fencing job, I really can relate to this video 👍
Such a sad ending. I like your spontaneous humour throughout the course though. 🙂✨✨
This makes my winch-pulling technique look easy. Sorry the tree did not make it, but not for a lack of busting your hump. Thanks for the video. Very nicely produced.
I just found your RUclips channel and this is the second of your videos I’ve seen. Sorry to hear that tree died. I’ve heard other dog around a tree and put sphagnum moss in and water it regularly to grow new and fine roots next to the trunk. Hope you can find another nice tree like that and have better luck.
That's awesome! As I am learning more in the art, the harder work you put into the art, the more self rewarding benefits you will reap! Really enjoy your videos! I do the same, yamadori hunting, shout out from Fla! We get alot of invasive/exotic tropicals yamadori. I would love to have some of the trees by your area, but they wouldn't survive our heat or humidity. Nice trees! Keep up the great work!
-dave...
Thanks Dave! My dad is in Sun City Center, FL, and I made my semi-annual visit this year. We stopped by Artisans Bonsai near Tampa and got to do some filming. He has all sorts of Florida natives, invasives, urban yamadoris and imports. His cypress and crepe myrtles were massive! I'm hoping to have that video ready by next weekend. If you have the chance, check him out. And for your own collections, great luck!!!
It's very hard work and you done a great job, I like it very much.
I admire your perseverance. Great job.
I'm starting my planting during this pandemic and this one will help me ❤
Wow, good job. But it was so hard for you. Thanks for the video.
Foi ótimo conhecer seu canal e justamente por esse vídeo. Obrigado pela contribuição a minha formação no bonsai. Siga em frente man.
Feliz saber que ajuda! Eu estou trabalhando duro para obter legendas em português para todos os meus vídeos. Existem algumas nuances que simplesmente não conseguem através de vídeo apenas. Continue verificando, e boa sorte !! Abraços
Just got my trees
Any idea on over wondering also what ratio is your soil mix
Many thanks
Wow that was hard work but at the end it was worth it. lol Great video.
Great video. What a beautiful area you live in
Sou do Brasil e estou muito agradecido pelo cuidado em inserir legendas! Belo vídeo!
Obrigado a você e ao Brasil pelo amor e apoio que você me mostrou !!